Oct. 28, 2024
Worried Sick
Stress. We all experience in our lives. But some experience it as a chronic experience, affecting their health and their life experiences.
Welcome to Karol Ward. Karol has spent years working with people on their body-mind intelligence to help them...
Stress. We all experience in our lives. But some experience it as a chronic experience, affecting their health and their life experiences.
Welcome to Karol Ward. Karol has spent years working with people on their body-mind intelligence to help them develop authentic communication with themselves as well as others. She has also talked about the 3 key areas stress shows up in our lives and how we can overcome the stress to live a more full and joyous life.
www.karolward.com
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Of competent professionals before applying or trying any suggested ideas.
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At the end of the day, it's not about what
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you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what
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you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,
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who you've made better. It's about what you've given back
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Thanzel Washington, Welcome to inspire vision. Our sole purpose is
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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you
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to do the same.
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Bob Martin, Welcome to the show. How are you.
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I'm fine, Thanks, happy to have be here.
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I'm glad we were finally. People will put this together.
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Audience sometimes doesn't know how much of a challenge sometimes
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getting all this put together. Where are you located, Bob,
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I'm in North Carolina? Okay, okay, cool, So you're a
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couple of hours ahead of me. Which is great. So
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what I'd love for you to do is share with
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the audience your background. And you know, what I find
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is there's always a story, whether it's an AHA moment
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or whether it's a gradual development, but there's always a
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story that brings about an individual to the point that
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they are, such as yourself, where you're writing some incredible
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books and you're really trying to make a difference for
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some people. So if you could share your background, that
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would be great too.
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Sure. So, I kind of grew up on the boardwalk
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in New York selling hot and candy and popcorn. That's
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the business my folks were in, kind of the amusement
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park carnival business, and never expected that I would be
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or become a lawyer, but I did, I think, much
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to my father's chagrin. And then I went to work
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for the District Attorney's office Janet Reno back in the
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cocaine cowboy days. If anybody's ever seen the movie Scarface,
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those were the days that I was working in Miami,
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and we hit the mob up for a lot of
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money on a joint task force with the FEDS. And
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left the office shortly thereafter, and lo and Behold. They
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came to me and the mob and they said, you know,
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you got to be pretty good to to hit us
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up for that much money. And they started sending me clients,
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and so I have to admit that I was kind
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of taken with it, and I was my ego was stoked,
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and I started hanging out with those guys and maybe
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doing some stuff I shouldn't have been doing. And all
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of a sudden, even though I was able to maintain
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a good professionalism, things behind the scenes were starting to
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go south. And I was seeing a therapist, and one
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thing led to another, and I found out that my
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therapist was actually a disciple of and also the English
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language editor of a seventy second generation Master monk from
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the Shaolin Temple named Watching Me seventy second Generation Wow.
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And it was it was an amazing experience for me.
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I had grown up in a non theist family, my folks,
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you know, just had no connection to any religion. And
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then all of a sudden, you know, I was presented
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with this system of virtue and humility and grace and
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generosity that didn't ask me to believe in anything that
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I couldn't see, feel or touch, and it all made
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sense to me. So I studied under Masterne for eight
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years and that was transformational. I have to say that
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at the end of that time, I ran into a
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little bit of I guess you'd say, difference of opinion
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with my clients, and I thought it would be best
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to move to North Carolina from Florida. So I did.
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And when I got here, because of the study that
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I had done with Master Nee, I dedicated my life
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to public service and engaged in a practice of contemplation,
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meditation and the like, and became a meditation certified meditation teacher,
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very rigid and stringent training program, and I maintained my practice.
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I represented indigen people after that, folks that could afford
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a lawyer, did a lot of pro bono work, did
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a lot of rights representation, and retired in fifteen twenty fifteen.
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And then Elon University picked me up and I've been
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teaching there, trying to kind of transform the culture on
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campus to be more mindful and finally, I'm really excited
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about this. Finally, just last year they agreed to open
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up a few credit courses in meditation and I'll be
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teaching and I'm just excited as can be about that
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because it's an opportunity to get to these twenty something
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minds and give them a different way of looking at life.
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So I'm excited about that.
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So I'm curious when you talk about, you know, Masterne
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and the tawis, what is the origin of that. I'm
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familiar with Buddhism limit in Thailand. What's the origins of Taoism?
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Well, Daoism really evolved much more from an old Chinese
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shamanistic backing, So there is a lot of superstition and
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tradition and stories, kind of shamanistic approaches to early Taoism.
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But then twenty five hundred years ago, Laotsu, Confucius body.
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You know, they were all kind of contemporaries, and between
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the three of them they kind of developed a consistent
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Eastern philosophical bent, combining a lot of Hindu traditions. And
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I guess the best way to distinguish between them is
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that confusion. Confucius felt that it's all about our desire
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and how we perceive things. It's not about what happens
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in life. It's about how we deal with what happens
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in life. And Confucia said that, you know, our desire
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for things to be different than the way they are
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is so compelling, and our desires towards base instincts is
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so strong that we have to have a rigid set
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of guidelines to keep us straight. The buddhas said, well,
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it doesn't have to be that rigid, but we do
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need to balance out those desires by cultivating things like
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generosity and grace and loving kindness and sympathetic joy and wisdom.
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We have to work at developing and cultivating these things
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kind of just to balance the normal negativity that we
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tend to develop in life. And the loud too. In
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the Dallas they were kind of a hippie dippy, a
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school of Eastern thought, and they were kind of like,
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oh yeah, man, if something sound or don't worry about it.
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You know, it's like get into the sour and go
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with the flow. And Dallism was all about learning to
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recognize the energy and I don't mean mystical energy. I
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mean the energy that's existing in a conversation or in
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a relationship, or in what's going on around you, and
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then being able to effectively fit into it. I guess
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maybe the best example I could give is if you're
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out in the ocean, and you're trying to swim towards shore.
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The Dallast would teach, well, swim like heck. When the
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water's going with you, and when it's going against you,
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just put out enough energy to hold your position. Build
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up your energy because it's going to turn it and
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it's going to go with you again. And when it does,
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you want to be ready to swim like heck.
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Interesting. So when you started with Masternee for eight years,
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how intense was that? I mean, was that every weekend?
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Or were you there for a few weeks and then
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took a break. How did that work? Well?
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Masterne came about every month, and then we had a
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couple of Disciples teachers who were taught by Master Knee
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who were there in Miami constantly. We met every week
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and we did daily practice. And depending on whether if
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you were interested in taichi or if you were interested
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in chigung or the ii qing or some of the
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other contemplated practices, we had little subgroups to support those studies.
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And of course we met with George on a weekly basis.
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We all met on a weekly basis and created a community.
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Wow. And you know, and a lot of that was meditation.
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I'm I'm curious because you're teaching meditation now right. Yes, yes,
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So I was just watching a video, just a short
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one on TikTok earlier. It was a Buddhist monk and
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he was literally talking about why are you listening to music,
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Why are you listening to words? You should be doing
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silent meditation because the rest of it is interrupting. And
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I've heard I've heard this concept before. In fact, I've
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talked to a few people, interviewed a few people who
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really are into this silent meditation. My personal experience was
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that I initially started with a fellow that does a
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lot of a lot of guided meditation, and then ultimately
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I thought, well, get rid of some of the verbal
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stuff going on. And so I've found that I've listened
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to certain music and get into the sofigio frequencies and
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so forth, and seeing how that's working. What are your
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thoughts and why are some people particularly emphasizing just quiet
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meditation where you're focused on your breath versus some of
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these others, And what's your opinion on all of those?
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Yeah, I think that just to hear the monks say
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that much is a disservice to folks because it leads
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to the idea that when you sit that you're supposed
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to empty your mind and you're supposed to have a
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quiet interior. And that's just not the case. I don't
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know how many students, all of my students, anybody that
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I start teaching, for the first couple of weeks, it
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is trying to shape them of the idea that they're
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supposed to quiet their mind. You know, most people, you say, well,
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you're supposed to quiet your mind. So I'm going to
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sit here now I have I'm thinking about, you know,
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what that guy said last night, and what I got
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to do for dinner, and I've got that appointment, and
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then there's that deadline, and I don't think I look
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good in that shirt, and all these thoughts flood through
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your mind, and everybody immediately says, I can't do this.
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I can't do this. You know, I just can't stop thinking.
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And that's just a complete misunderstanding. It's not about stopping
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the thinking. It's about stepping out of the thinking and
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allowing it to flow and just being able to watch
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it happen. So when he says the idea of sitting silently,
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what he's talking about is the process of being able
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to sit and having an opportunity to allow your thoughts
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to flow and being able to watch them. But I
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don't I think distractions are okay because if you're distracted,
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it stimulates a whole bunch of thoughts. Why is that
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dog barking? He's bothering me. I'm not going to be
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able And you get to watch all those thoughts as well,
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and in doing that, you begin to understand better how
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you reason respond to distractions. And that's a learning process,
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and that's information that's helpful because the more you understand
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how you respond to distractions, the more you can consider
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whether or not it's helpful or not helpful the way
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that you respond to distractions. And then when you're thinking
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like that, you have some access to maybe making a decision. Well,
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maybe that's not the most helpful way. The other process
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that you get involved in a meditation is that this
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process of watching your thoughts. All of a sudden, and
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this happens maybe in the third week of the class,
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most of the students go, oh, oh, I'm not my
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thoughts as we say, I had a thought, so who
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had the thought? So there's the generator of the thoughts
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and as you step out of your thoughts and just
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simply watch your thoughts without trying to stop them or
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allowing them just to be, you start to recognize that
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you've been out of touch with the generator of your thoughts,
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and you start to get back in touch with that
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generator of your thoughts, which we call the observer. And
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from the place of being in the observer, you are
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freed up from all of the conditioning and all of
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the excuse my language, all the crap that's been laid
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up on you that identifies you to be the person
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who the world says you are, and you start wondering, well,
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who do I want to say I am? And it's
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that kind of access. You know, A lot of people
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ask me, well, you know you meditate a lot. Do
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you get angry? Yeah? I get angry. I get angry,
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and I get pissed off, and I get frustrated. But
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even as I'm angry because I've been meditating, I can
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also at the very same time, I can watch my anger.
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I can be angry and experience all of the experiences
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of life, and at the same time I can be
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watching it and thinking, well, you know, maybe I'm going
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a little bit too far here, maybe I would pull
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back a little bit, or afterwards I'm thinking, gee, you know,
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that really was the most helpful way to react, and
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it gives me the opportunity maybe the next time, or
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the next time or the next time, to maybe modify
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that behavior a little bit. So it's it's it's all
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of that, and anybody can do it as long as
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