July 14, 2026

Breathing Your Way Home — A Conversation with Jon Paul Crimi

Breathing Your Way Home — A Conversation with Jon Paul Crimi
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Jon Paul Crimi has helped thousands of people release what the body has been quietly holding — grief, fear, generational pain. In this gentle conversation, he shares how breathwork became his path home after addiction, loss, and years of living from the outside in. Sometimes the softest tool is the most powerful one.

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Denzel Washington, Welcome to inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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John Paul welcome. Thanks for having me. Doctor DoD Hey,

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I'm looking forward to this conversation. You know, it's so

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fascinating what you do, and thank you for the opportunity.

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You actually allowed me to take one of your classes

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and it was fascinating. So anyway, share with the audience

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who you are, a little bit about your background and

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what brought you to this point sure.

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My name's John Paul Crime.

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I'm originally from Boston, Massachusetts, and it's you know, it's

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wild to me that I became a breathwork teacher because

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that didn't even exist where I grew up. I never

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heard of a breathwork teacher. I never saw any wasn't

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even on my radar. And so here I am today

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doing this thing that in a million years I could

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have never pictured. And I found it because of my friend,

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my late friend, Matthew Perry. He kind of introduced me

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to breathwork through this gentleman that he had got done

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a session with, and I had this really powerful experience.

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You know. Matthew went and did this session with.

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This guy and then he told me about it, and

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I said, that sounds that's weird, dude. That sounds like

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he's asphyxiating you or something strange as going on in that.

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And he said, well, you're my only friend with an

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open enough mind to try this, So I bought you

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a session with the guy, and I went and tried it.

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And it was a different style of you know, breathwork

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than what I teach today. That the class that you did,

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it wasn't that it was something else entirely, But I

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had an experience that was very profound, and from that experience,

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I went down a rabbit hole of trying all these

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different types of breath works that were out there, all

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these different methods. I mean, that's one of the things

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we should probably clarify right off the bat, is that

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breathwork is an umbrella term.

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It's like saying.

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Fitness, right, If I said I do fitness, doctor Doug,

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you go, yeah, what do you do? Do you do

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soul cycle? Do you do CrossFit? Like?

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What is it?

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And so this type of breath work that I teach

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in my class on Sundays on Zoom, that you did,

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that's circular breathwork, right, But I hadn't done that yet.

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I went and did all these different types of breath

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work and I found that specific method and it was

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life changing for me. It was incredible, and I couldn't

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understand why everybody didn't know about it, Like, why doesn't

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the whole world know about this? And I had a

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realization that had been kept in these sort of small

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New Age wo woo circles, and that if somebody did it,

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like I just met Tony Robbins and done his seminar,

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and that was incredible for me. Somebody did it like

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Tony Robbins or they had that they put in the science.

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Behind it, and they made it.

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Funny and they explained some things way better that were

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going to happen, and they used cool music that they'd

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probably have two hundred three hundred people in the room,

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maybe even thousands.

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Like That's how incredible I thought it would be. And

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I was right.

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It just took a couple of years for me to

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get there, But it turned out I was right that

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that was the case, that it just needed someone to

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do it in a way that was more accessible to

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the everyday person.

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Okay, And you know, and I appreciate the fact that

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you talked about there's so many different types of breath work. Now.

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I happened to study originally entered job to Spenza and

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his breathwork is somewhat similar in fact. And when I

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was doing your class and I needed to relax a bit,

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you know, as you say, sometimes you just stop and

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just breathe in, I would do that and I would

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go back to that methodology. But one of the things

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that I found interesting and describe briefly the breathwork, the

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type that you do, because I want to get into

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the science of that.

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Sure that it's called circular breathwork. It's also known as

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conscious connected breathing. And so most breath work out there,

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most breathwork styles and methods are done through the nose,

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which is great because that's what we want. We want

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to calmer parasympathetic nervous system down. When we breathe through

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the nose, we're breathing parasympathetic, right. This style is different

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in that you use the mouth. You breathe through the mouth.

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And people sometimes freak out because they read James Nestor's

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book called Breath and they go, oh, my god, You're.

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Never supposed to breathe through the mouth. It's so bad.

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What they miss is that in the book James Nester

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actually kind of found his way into breathwork by doing

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a class similar to mine, where he did a circular

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breathwork class and he had this profound experience that a

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lot of people have, and then he went down a

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rabbit hole himself, and so he wanted to understand the

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differences between mouth breathing.

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And nose breathing.

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So what I tell people is like, yes, you're not

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supposed to breathe through the mouth most of the time, Right,

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You're supposed to be breathing through the nose when you're sleeping,

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when you're walking, when you're exercising. But thirty minutes of

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circular breath work through the mouth to clear out your stress,

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your anxiety, your generational trauma is totally worth it well.

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And so there's also that combination of breathing in through

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your nose and breathing out through your mouth. And that's

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how in the past I have done it when I

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go on my walk, and I usually will do that,

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you know, at least three times a week, and it's

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my meditation walk where I'll go for at least an

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hour and I'm breathing in through my nose, I'm breathing

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out through my mouth. Is that kind of a different combination,

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And so are you dealing with both persympathetic and sympathetic.

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When you do that sometimes yes, But like so, every

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little way you do it changes, it changes the result,

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changes the purpose of it.

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Right, you breathe through.

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Your mouth sometimes when you're intensely exercising, right, and some

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sports you start breathing through your mouth, and so you

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go like, well, why doesn't the same thing happen that

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happens when I do this breath work. Well, because you're

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using that oxygen for the muscles when you're doing the exercise, right,

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and so that's what's going on. But when you're laying

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down and you're doing this breath work through the mouth,

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there's something else that's happening there. You know, you're setting

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in the intention and breathing into the sympathetic nervous system.

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You're setting those intentions, and there's something really powerful in that.

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I believe.

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My theory is that this stuff, your stuff, your trauma,

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whatever you want to call it, is stored in the

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sympathetic nervous system as opposed to parasympathetic. But what you

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were talking about is doing I like to call that

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the transformer breath where you breathe in through the nose

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and out through the mouth, and that is actually a

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technique that you can use to calm your nervous system.

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I use that all the time. You know, when I'm

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on a flight that hits turbulence, when I'm in traffic

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and I start to get stressed out in the traffic,

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I'll do that technique. When I'm going to say something

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stupid to my wife that I'm going to regret for

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the rest of the day.

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I'll do that technique as well. Don't say it, don't

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say you dummy.

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Yeah, so, you know, that's a really good technique. There's

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another one similar to that, very close to that, that

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Andrew Euberman talks about on his podcast, which is you

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breathe in through the nose and then you take a second,

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quick little inhale and then you exil through the mouth right,

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And that's a really powerful technique too. There's a name

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for that. I think it's called cyclical breathing in through

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the nose, And there's some studies that he has that

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show that, you know, five minutes a day of cyclical

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breathing is better than half an hour meditation.

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Well, and then also you have not only do you

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have it like you're blowing up a balloon. And that's

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that's what I find interesting too. Sometimes they'll do both.

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But I think for the audience, what's important to realize

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is that you know, there are different things, and it

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affects different things. Different types affect different things, and you know,

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you use parasympathetic, use sympathetic for the audience. I guarantee

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you a lot of them don't understand what that is

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and the difference. So could you just very briefly explain

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what is the parasympathetic what is more sympathetic.

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Yeah, And that's a great point to bring up, because

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the first thing is that people can't wrap their brain

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around the idea that you know, something I've been doing

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my whole life unconsciously. Breathing can be so massive, can

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be so transformational. It can change your health, can change

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your life. Right, That's the hardest thing I have to

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overcome in people. I'm like, you know this breath work.

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The most common statement after my class is holy shit,

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that felt like twenty years of therapy without saying a word, right, Like,

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people just they're blown away by how intense it is.

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And so that's the first thing, is like breathing in

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different ways can create amazing rapid results. And so the

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difference between parasympathetic and sympathetic is parasympathetic use is done

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in and out through the nose, or in through the

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nose and out through the mouth. It's rest in digest

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It breathes into your parasympathetic nervous system and puts you

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in a relaxed mode. It's rest digest It helps with digestion,

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it helps with rest, it helps with relaxing your body.

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It helps with the wandering nerve, the vagus nerve in

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the back of the neck, mulating that which will relax

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your body. Sympathetic is fight or flight, and sympathetic is

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done through the mouth fight or flight. So if I

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get in like chased by a tiger, I'm going to

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be going in my sympathetic right away. I'm going to

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be breathing through my mouth really intensely right I believe

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that the trauma that we experience in life gets stored

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in the sympathetic as well, and so I believe this

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technique is a way to access that and help integrate it.

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And you know, I use the example of the bunny

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all the time.

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If a bunny gets chased in the forest by a

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fox and it gets away, it shakes afterwards to clear

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out that trauma of almost just getting killed by the fox.

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So I believe this is one of our ways of

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accessing that and clearing that stuff that we've stored in there.

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You know. And as originally as I was listening and

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participating in your class, one of the things that I

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do because I have found on social media, Yeah, I

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hear people talk on this and that, and it's like, okay,

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I'm going to check this out. So I always go

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to AI and I say, all right, here's what is said.

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Verify or discount what was said. Is it true or

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is it not? And sometimes I'll get well, parts of

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it's true, parts of it's not, or it's totally false

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or it's absolutely true. So what I did is I

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went to AI and said, all right, I want to

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know this sympathetic, this parasympathetic. Here's here's what I got. Okay, okay.

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Those practices contemporarily activate the sympathetic nervous system rather than Coleman,

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and strangely enough interesting that activation can sometimes help certain

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people really stored emotion fear, brieftension, or emotional suppression. It's

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not that it's peaceful, but that intentionality entering and moving

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through activation in a controlled setting may loose emotional patterns

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the body has been holding on too. And you know,

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as I read that, I'm going, wow, that is that

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is so far beyond anything that I've ever really understood,

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and yet here it is. And you know what's interesting too,

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is It talks about those emotions that we store in

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our body. And I know one thing that you mentioned

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in the class, which I found interesting, is you talked

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about the fact that it's generational. The fact is sometimes

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those emotions, the grief, the fear, all of that is

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generational and is in our DNA, which then somehow we

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pick up in that subconscious level. Sure a little bit

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about your thoughts on that.

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Sure, when I first found all this stuff, you know,

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there was no science like this.

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That's I'm so glad you found that.

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Read that because you know, I'm not a woo wu

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kind of new ag guy. You know, I came from

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a p trainer background, more of a scientific background.

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And you know, the hands would cramp up.

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It's called tetany went sometimes and I would ask all

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these teachers out there what's going on, and they go, oh,

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it's the moon and it's the stars, and like they'd say,

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all this stuff that didn't make sense for me. And

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I had a theory where people's hands were cramping up.

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And I brought in a science researcher from Harvard, a

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health and science researcher that I knew from Harvard, and

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I said, I think it's because people are pushing the

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exhale too hard. I think they're throwing off too much

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CO two, And that was actually the case. So because

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I could see the commonalities of people in the room

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that were getting the tetany, they were pushing the exhale

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way too hard and that throws off more CO two,

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and the CO two binds to the oxygen. And when

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you're throwing off CO two, it's cramping up your hands.

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It's causing this thing called tetany. So there's science behind

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this stuff. That's the first thing I want to say.

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John Hopkins Hospital and Massachusetts did a study on this

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particular type of breath work with veterans with PTSD and

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they found tremendous results from it, incredible results in the

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generational trauma. There's great books on this called The Body

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Keeps the Score. It didn't start with you, where you know,

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trauma is passed on to us through the DNA, through

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our parents. I like to joke, I say, you know,

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you thought you were screwed up because of your parents,

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and you were right.

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It is their fault, but it's their parents' fault and their.

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Parents, grandparents, grandparents don't call them up after class to

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be like, I know it was your fault, but so,

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you know, it's heavy stuff that we're talking about generational trauma.

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But there's studies that are done.

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You know, mothers that were pregnant at nine to eleven,

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the babies were born with higher cortisol level levels, right,

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And you know Holocaust survivors, their grandchildren and great grandchildren

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are born with higher rates of depression, anxiety, all these

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different things. And they did this one particular study that

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I found fascinating on mice and what they did was

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they sprayed cherry blossom spray and they electrocuted it when

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they spray the cherry blossom spray and then so it

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had a reaction from the cherry blossom spray. It associated

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that with the electrocution. Then they did that the next

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generation of that mice that they did that to, they

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would just spray the cherry blossom spray. It had never

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been electrocuted, and that generation would have a reaction and

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this went up to fifteen generations.

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Yeah, So and the other mice that weren't electrocuted had

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no reaction to the cherry blossom spray.

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And there you know, offspring had no reaction to it.

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So it's fascinating some of this stuff.

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Yeah, and what's interesting, you know there are times that

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and I'm sure other people have experienced this, but this

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is my own personal experience. There have been times where

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I'm thinking to myself, why do I have this particular

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situation going on? Why this you know response, why this emotion?

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Why this? And because I look back and I had

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a decent child. Obviously we all have challenges in our childhood,

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and I keep thinking why why, And then all of

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a sudden, as I've talked, you know, as I've listened

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to you and others, it's like, you know, this could

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be generational. So this and here's the interesting thing. When

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you start to understand that and realize that, you know what,

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this could be generational, that changes your whole concept of

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what you're doing and how it affects you. At least

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it has for me. What are your thoughts on that?

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Yeah, you know, it's like I may not be responsible

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for how it's came into me, why I have it,

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but now that I'm aware of it, I'm responsible to

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do something about it. That's the way I look at it.

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Like I don't want to pass the stuff onto my kids,

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that's that's the lever I use on myself. That's the

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leverage I used to do the work on myself. It's like,

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I don't want my kids to have these things that

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I have that I grew up with. And I definitely

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can see some of the things that I've been challenged

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with that you know, my father had and I wasn't

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aware of them until later in life. He didn't tell

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me about them until later in life. I'm like, oh,

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so that makes sense for me now, right, Like you

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can get these things unconsciously from your parents, you can

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also it could be something that happened in your childhood

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you don't even remember. I had something come up in

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a breath work session, you know, where my arm was

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doing something really strange, and I was like, what is

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going on with my arm this spot? And then I remember, Oh,

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I broke it there when I was a little kid.

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And there was like a weird healing that was going

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on in that breathwork session around breaking my arm there

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when I was young, but I had completely forgotten about it.

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It was gone. You know, you mentioned you're following you

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you had an interesting young life, and I'd love for

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you to kind of share your personal story.

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Sure, I think I glazed over that too quickly in

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the beginning, I got excited about the breath work, So

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I apologize for that.

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No, no, no, I purposely wanted you to briefly because

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I wanted to spend a little bit more time on it.

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Okay. Yeah.

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So I grew up in Boston, and I grew up

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in you know, the South Shore, Massachusetts.

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It's the fifth most.

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Irish town in America, surrounded by the thirteen most Irish

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towns in America. They call it the Irish Riviera, and

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I didn't know back then it was the Irish Riviera.

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I just thought it was a lot of people that

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like to get drunk and beat the shit out of

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each other, and you know, kids would steal your bike

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and different things like that.

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And it was a nice neighborhood.

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But everyone kind of came from the city, from South Boston,

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so it was like the city mentality in a suburban neighborhood.

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It was really weird, and I it was a rough childhood.

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I got stabbed when I was nineteen years old and

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left for dead. I got beat up and when I

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was a teenager about fifteen years old by five guys

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in their twenties and put in the hospital. So I

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had a lot of abuse, not at home but by

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people out in the world around me, and I just,

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you know, learned that it wasn't a safe place. I

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think Freud says, the most important decision you'll ever make

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is whether you live in a hostile universe or a

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friendly one. And I lived in a hostile universe for

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a long time, and so I just wanted to get

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out of there, and I was trying every which way

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to get out of there. I tried to go and

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sign up for the Air Force, and I got a DUI.

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I got arrested for drinking and driving, and they said,

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no thanks, we don't want you. So I ended up

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just moving to California to become an actor. I had

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acted when I was younger, and I really enjoyed it,

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so I thought, Okay, maybe I can be an actor.

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And I moved out to California when I was twenty

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three and put myself through a method acting school program,

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a three year program, and that's when my hair started

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falling out. I have this thing called alopecia, which is

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hair loss, sudden hair loss. So I had these patches

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on my head and they put me on prednizone, which

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is a catabolic steroid. It's the opposite of anabolic, which

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is what bodybuilders take.

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Right.

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But I was working at Gold's Gym in Venice, which

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is the mecca of bodybuilding. So I was a trainer

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there and I was working for the gym, and I'm

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taking these fat stories, like I'm getting all bloated and fat,

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and everyone around me's taking anabolic steroids, so I'm like

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the opposite.

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It's like not good for business.

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And I'm going to auditions and you know, I'm penciling

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in my eyebrows because my eyebrows are falling out, and

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I've got these bald spots on my head and I'm

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kind of covering those over, like painting those over.

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It was bad.

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And I was taking vico In when I go to

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the doctors, and I'd get one hundred two hundred cortison

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shots in my eyebrows and in my head to try

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and keep my hair.

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And that was really painful.

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So I started eating vicotin, taking vico in before I

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go to the doctors, and then I just started eating

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it all the time. Because it's also an emotional pain blocker.

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It's not just a you know, pain physical pain blocker,

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it's emotional and that I didn't have the tools to

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deal with what was going on with me. I was

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losing my self identity, my whole self worth, self esteem,

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self identity was rap up in my looks. I was

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trying to be an actor and a fitness model at

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the time, and my looks were falling apart. My hair

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was falling out at twenty five years old in a

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really awkward way.

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Not normal, you know, male pattern baldness.

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So I ended up, you know, drinking and doing all

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this painkillers, and it just it was a disaster. And

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I went to a therapist and she suggested that I

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go to a recovery program, and I finally I did.

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I went into a twelve step recovery program and got sober,

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and that was a life changing experience for me, and

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I just went off the PREMI zone.

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I went off the court of zone.

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The doctor's like, you're going to lose your hair, You're

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gonna lose your eyebrows, and I was like, Yeah, that's

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how it's supposed to be for me. That's how it's

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going to be, because I just I can't live like this.

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It was giving me an ulcer and it was miserable

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and I changed in that. In that first year of sobriety,

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I looked completely different. I almost I didn't even recognize myself,

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you know it. It was a pretty hard thing to

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go through. And it's weird because it's mainly aesthetic and

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the alopecia, so it's kind of like, well, I don't

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have cancer, I don't have any real health issues. It's

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just aesthetic. But for me that meant a lot, and

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it was difficult, and bottoming out and getting sober was

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really instrumental in my life. I look at it as

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a gift now because it changed the course of my

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life for the better. I started, I took that year

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and I just focused on like spirituality, working on myself,

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all these different things. I started doing meditation and helping

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other people and getting out of myself. I did Big

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Brothers of America, which is a mentor program where you

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take on a younger kid, and I really like changed

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the course of my life for the better because I

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realized it's like, you know, this can't be my life,

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can't be about how I look. That's so ridiculous, you know,

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And it just put me on a different path, and

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I got sober, and I started helping other guys get sober,

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and that was huge for me. I ended up becoming

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what they call a sober coach or a sober companion

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pretty quickly because I was really good at it, and

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they dragged me into the world of celebrity sober companioning.

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So I was helping some of these big celebrities out

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there get sober. I went on tours with rock bands

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all over the world, and then I went on movie

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sets and all this kind of stuff and got to

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see that life that I thought I wanted. You know,

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I think that now in hindsight, God, higher power, or

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whatever you want to call it. Like I said, you

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want to be rich and famous, I'm not going to

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make you rich and famous. I'm going to show you

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what that life looks like inside. And I was living

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with some of these some of the biggest stars in

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the world and helping them and just watching how you know,

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awful their existence was, because it's like they didn't trust anybody.

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They were isolated, they were miserable. They thought when they'd

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get the statue that that was going to complete them.

467
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When they got the Oscar, they got the Grammy and

468
00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:53.400
they weren't. They were just empty and miserable.

469
00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:56.359
Well, and as you talk about sober, you know you

470
00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:01.359
mentioned the drug situation. For you, it was alcohol also

471
00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:02.400
as you use that.

472
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:06.440
Word, Yes, alcoholism was always involved.

473
00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:10.319
Drugs and alcohol together were like sort of the final

474
00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:13.599
the end for me. But so yeah, I identify as

475
00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:17.519
an alcoholic, recovered alcoholic. I've been sober for twenty six

476
00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:22.039
years now, so it's been great for me. I've been fortunate.

477
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:25.799
I haven't relapsed. I've really put a lot of time

478
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:28.440
and energy into that work and I still do. I

479
00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:30.920
think it's important, you know, I think a lot of

480
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:34.039
people get sober and then they drift away from the

481
00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:37.039
thing that got them sober in the first place, and

482
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:40.039
then it's like, you know, it's a clicking it's a

483
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:43.160
ticking time bomb, it's a clock that's sticking of. Like

484
00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:46.000
you know, you can go to yoga. Yoga's great, but

485
00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:48.880
they don't talk about alcoholism and yoga. They don't talk

486
00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:51.359
about alcoholism and down dog, you know what I mean,

487
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:54.880
Like I need to hear the language of recovery. So

488
00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:58.480
I'm still in recovery. And here's the other thing I

489
00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:02.039
think about it is, you know, if everybody came and

490
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.720
got what they needed, got sober, and got an amazing life,

491
00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:07.160
and then left, it wouldn't be anybody there to pass

492
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:08.599
it on to the new guys that come in.

493
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:09.880
It wouldn't keep going.

494
00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:13.400
Yeah. Yeah, So here's the question that I have. And

495
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:16.200
you know, as you talk about the twelve set program,

496
00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:19.960
and I understand that that can be a tremendous, tremendous

497
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:25.559
program for people, what about your breath work? And so

498
00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:29.359
when someone is dealing with the drug addiction, with alcoholism,

499
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:34.319
it's always interesting to me that at least in my mind,

500
00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:40.079
there's some ulterior cause, there's some subconscious level cause of

501
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:45.160
what they're trying to do to eliminate through the alcohol,

502
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:49.480
through the drugs. Have you found that using your breathwork

503
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:55.200
technique has actually helped people who were experiencing alcoholism or

504
00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:56.039
drug abuse?

505
00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.960
Yes, but I think, well, I'll say this so Gabor Mate,

506
00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:04.680
I think is the foremost expert on alcoholism and addiction

507
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:07.680
these days, and he says, it's more about the trauma.

508
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:10.480
You know, He's like, where, you tell me about the addiction,

509
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:12.720
but tell me about the trauma, because that's really with

510
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:15.720
the addiction, that's the root of the addiction is the trauma,

511
00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:18.240
and I think breath work is the best tool I've

512
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:23.279
ever found to help with the trauma. Right, And so

513
00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:26.440
the question maybe that you're presenting is like, can you

514
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:30.400
just cure alcoholism and addiction with breathwork? I don't know

515
00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.480
because I don't have that experience, but it definitely can

516
00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.759
make an impact and a difference. I think the two

517
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:40.640
of them together, you know, the twelve step and the

518
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.720
breath work are the way to go. And all these

519
00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:46.240
rehabs and places are starting to put breath work in

520
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:49.359
the rehab and in the sober livings because I also

521
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:53.319
think one of the key elements of getting sober is

522
00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:57.960
having a network around you, having a connection, because we

523
00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:01.720
isolate ourselves and that's one of the big problems. There's

524
00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:04.759
this incredible video on YouTube called rat Park where it

525
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:06.160
talks about the isolation.

526
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:06.519
Right.

527
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:09.319
They gave this rat cocaine water, and it just drank

528
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:11.680
the cocaine water all day because it was by itself

529
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:13.559
in the cage. But then they put it in a

530
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.400
cage with a bunch of other rats and a bunch

531
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.599
of different fun things to do, and it didn't touch

532
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.720
the cocaine water. So what we do with addics and

533
00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:24.279
alcoholics is we stick them in jail. We isolate them

534
00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:27.200
in jail. It's like, no, that's not the solution. The

535
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:31.240
solution is connection. So you need a support system around you.

536
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:35.000
You need connections with real people who understand. Hey, I

537
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:37.720
have this crazy thought in my head that like, this

538
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:39.400
is what's going on, Like you need to be able

539
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:40.119
to talk to people.

540
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.440
Breath work, though, we'll get in there and work on

541
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:43.400
the trauma. Breath work.

542
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:45.119
We'll get in there when you feel like, you know,

543
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:47.640
going out and drinking or going out and using drugs,

544
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:50.720
you can do breath work instead and it'll take that away.

545
00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:53.839
I've experienced that. It's incredible, and I've watched it with

546
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:54.440
other people.

547
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:57.480
Well, and that was my point. It wasn't the breathwork

548
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:00.400
alone is going to do it. But yeah, I I

549
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.319
kind of love the both and versus the either or

550
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.720
concept and to be able. As you say, I think

551
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.160
the people that we surround ourselves with is so important.

552
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.240
And I don't know that people really recognize. You know,

553
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:21.640
as you're talking about alcoholism, drug abuse. You know, it's

554
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.519
interesting that you talk about how important it is for

555
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:27.440
that support system. But as we take that a little

556
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:31.079
bit further as we see what's going on right now

557
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.720
in the world and all the anger and all the

558
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.480
stuff that's going on, and you know, in my mind,

559
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:40.839
I you know, and I talk about this a bit

560
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.400
in some of the articles I write or so forth,

561
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:47.880
But it's like, what about starting to surround yourself with

562
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:52.839
people that are at different emotional level, Because when you

563
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:57.519
keep surrounding yourself with people who emotionally are stuck in

564
00:28:58.039 --> 00:29:02.839
anger and frustration or even victimhood, that affects you and

565
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.559
you end up kind of paralleling that and going into

566
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:09.480
that direction, versus when you work with people at a

567
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:13.319
higher emotional level and a higher emotional intelligence, all of

568
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:16.000
a sudden that starts to change.

569
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:19.799
Your own energy one thousand percent. I mean, my buddy

570
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:22.200
used to sum it up like this. He'd say, you know,

571
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:23.920
how are you going to soar like an eagle when

572
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:25.799
you hang around with a bunch of turkeys?

573
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:26.759
You know?

574
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.880
But I think you're you said it in a much

575
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.200
more beautiful way, which is your vibration. So if I'm

576
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:36.839
with people all the time, I think, you know, I

577
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:40.359
grew up in an area too where it's like negativity

578
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:44.759
and complaining is the way people sort of connect and relate.

579
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:47.759
In Boston, I actually have a sweatshirt that says, I'm

580
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:48.319
not negative.

581
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:49.079
I'm from New.

582
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.160
England and you know, it's just, oh my god, can

583
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:54.680
you believe this weather today? Oh yeah, we got going on.

584
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:56.799
It's terrible and you know, I know you wouldn't have

585
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.359
believed this. Lady backed into my cat and you know.

586
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.119
And so the that's how people connect and relate. But

587
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.640
if you're always looking at that, whatever you focus on expands, right,

588
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:07.759
So if I'm focused on what's bad in my life,

589
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.640
what's not working, what's bothering me, that's going to expand.

590
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:13.440
I mean, if I'm focusing on what's good and what

591
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.359
is working and what's beautiful in the world, and that's

592
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:19.279
going to expand. And if you're hanging around people who

593
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.160
are going to bring that vibration I bring that energy up,

594
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.000
that's going to change. That's going to shift things for you.

595
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:28.680
I think I've experienced it, like so many times. I

596
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.039
go back East and I'm surrounded by that and I

597
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.279
feel like crap and I'm eating bad food.

598
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:35.119
And then I go to a different thing.

599
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.880
I go to a Tony Robbins conference or a Joe

600
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.759
despends a conference or something like that, and I'm teaching

601
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:43.119
a class there and I get to meet all these

602
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:45.640
amazing people who are so excited to be there, and

603
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:50.359
that vibration raises me up. So that energy is a

604
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:55.079
palatable thing. It's a real thing. Energy is measurable now.

605
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:58.680
Well, and I think that's so important for people to understand. Now,

606
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:01.279
you have a lot of stories, and I know that

607
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.279
one of the stories you mentioned is we were, you know,

608
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.200
looking at what we're going to talk about. You talk

609
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:11.400
about a woman who really experienced a mass shooting. Can

610
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:13.400
you kind of share a couple of stories with the

611
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:17.640
audience of people who have experienced this tremendous trauma and

612
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.240
how with you working with them through this breath work

613
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:24.400
has literally changed their life experience.

614
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:28.559
Yeah, so it's that story is interesting because you know,

615
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:30.599
when my daughter was a baby, my wife sent me

616
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:32.880
to go get this CD or DVD.

617
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.200
It's a long time ago, and it was you listen

618
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:36.519
to the.

619
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.799
Baby's cries and when you hear this cry means that

620
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.599
the baby's hungry. But this cry is a little different,

621
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:44.799
and this cry means that the baby needs to be changed,

622
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:47.319
and this cry is a little different and the baby

623
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:48.440
needs to be.

624
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:50.200
Burped or whatever. And I was like, now, this can't

625
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:51.319
be real. And I listened to it.

626
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.839
I watched it with her, and there are distinctions and

627
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.519
the interesting thing that I have picked up on in

628
00:31:57.559 --> 00:31:59.880
my classes. I've been doing this for fifteen years now

629
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.720
and teaching these classes with hundreds of people, and I

630
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:04.519
can go around the room and I can be like, that.

631
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:05.880
Is grief right there.

632
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:07.960
I can hear that person's got some heavy grief and

633
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.759
I have a really interesting story about that. And that

634
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.000
person's going through a breakup. And that's old trauma story,

635
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:16.119
you know. And I know the different sounds. And this

636
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.319
woman came to see me and I heard her cry

637
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:20.880
and I thought, wow, what is that, Like, that's a

638
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.480
very different cry. I don't recognize that.

639
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:24.799
She didn't tell me.

640
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:28.440
Usually I get a like a intake and I would

641
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:30.400
learn this in the front end. But she came in

642
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.519
with her husband and another teacher friend of mine, and

643
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:35.720
they didn't really want to go do They didn't want

644
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:37.200
to talk. They just wanted to do the breath work,

645
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.799
which I was like, all right, we did it. So

646
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:42.039
afterwards she told me that she had been involved in

647
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.279
a mass shooting and she'd been shot a couple times.

648
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.480
And I was like, oh, that makes total sense, Like.

649
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:47.880
That's what that was.

650
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:48.160
You know.

651
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.599
She was healing that fear from being out in the world.

652
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.400
She was afraid to go anywhere. She was like a

653
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.319
shut in at that point. And through the breath work

654
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.200
we were able to get to clear that fear out

655
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.759
of her system. She was able to start to integrate

656
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.599
back into the world again, you know. And I have

657
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:07.319
so many stories like that.

658
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:07.519
You know.

659
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.519
I had this woman who came to a class and.

660
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:14.799
Oh God, so she went to she came to see me,

661
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:19.079
and she told me that she had accidentally hit somebody,

662
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.079
a child on who ran in front of her car,

663
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:23.799
and a bike rode in front of her car on

664
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:27.519
a bicycle, and she killed this teenage boy. And then

665
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:31.160
she went to stay with her friend after that happened,

666
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:34.279
and her friend's husband sexually assaulted her. He raped her,

667
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:36.599
and so it was trauma on top of trauma. There

668
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:38.880
was so much there. And we worked together. We did

669
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:40.759
the breath work, and we did some writing and the

670
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:42.480
writing and the breath work and all these different things

671
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.160
that I do. And she came to classes, she came

672
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.079
to sessions and she was so angry in the beginning,

673
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:52.119
But anger is really often just the mask that sadness wears.

674
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.039
You know, it's easier to be angry, it's more comfortable

675
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:58.240
to be angry, it's more sometimes more acceptable in society

676
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:01.359
to be angry, especially for men. Right, men were like

677
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:03.559
succeptable for a man to be angry, But it's not

678
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.240
acceptable for a man to be sad about something.

679
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:07.880
But if I can get past the.

680
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.920
Anger, and I can allow the sadness to be felt,

681
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.000
and I can allow the sadness of like this happening

682
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.480
to me and my friend doing this, and this situation,

683
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:18.519
and the heartbreak for the boy, and the guilt and

684
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:20.760
the shame around that and all these things to be felt,

685
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.280
because the feelings need to be felt. And if I'm

686
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:28.119
pushing them down and I'm just allowing anger, I'm not

687
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:31.360
expressing those feelings, and that stuff will start to eat

688
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:33.760
away your health. This is what I've discovered, you know.

689
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.199
That's I joke with people, like if you don't think

690
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:40.079
your emotions and your unprocessed traumas and feelings can affect

691
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.519
your health and go fround my eyebrows right because they're gone,

692
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:48.239
Because that's that's a physical manifestation. That's a physical result

693
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:53.480
of an emotional thing of my emotions, you know, affecting

694
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:56.599
my health, affecting my body. So long story short, she

695
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:58.400
did all this work and then I didn't see her

696
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.079
for a while and I got a letter and she said,

697
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.400
thank you so much for doing that work with me.

698
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:08.039
I was going to kill myself, and because we did

699
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:10.079
the breath work together, I was able to allow all

700
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.960
that stuff and get back to a better place. And

701
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:17.519
you say, my life, and I was, you know, I'm

702
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:19.920
getting emotional because I didn't save her life.

703
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:21.320
The breathwork saved her life.

704
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.920
I was just a person who was there and available,

705
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:26.840
and to tell you the truth, at first, I was like,

706
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.159
I don't know if I'm qualified for this, but we're

707
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:30.599
going to do the breath work. And I think the

708
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:32.800
breath work is really the thing that does the work.

709
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.559
And I'm really specific about that. And I'm with my

710
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.199
students too that I teach. You know, it's like, I'm

711
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:41.400
not the thing. The breath work is the thing. I'm

712
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.440
just a guy showing you how to do it, how

713
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.480
to heal yourself, how to process these emotions. I don't

714
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.039
want to be some big egomaniac guru with you know,

715
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:51.079
that's not my jam.

716
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:52.039
That's not what I want to do.

717
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:54.280
I want to help people, and I want to teach

718
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.800
other people how to help people. And so I can

719
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.440
create this, you know, this pyramid scheme for on the

720
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.960
planet where we help all these people with this incredible

721
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:03.519
breath work.

722
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:08.679
Well, and it's interesting I just put together, you know,

723
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:10.840
I went back into a lot of research and there's

724
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:15.719
you know, two to three really amazing emotional guidance type

725
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.039
of programs out there, and so I put one together

726
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:24.039
called the behavioral transformation Ladder. And what's interesting about it,

727
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:27.639
and you hit on it when we look at that

728
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:30.440
ladder and if you're at the bottom, that's where the grief,

729
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.199
the fear, the guilt, all that is way down at

730
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:38.639
the bottom, and anger is shame is shame, and anger

731
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.719
is above that. And so I think sometimes and I

732
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.239
think you've hit on it. Sometimes when we find ourselves

733
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:50.199
so completely in anger or frustration or overwhelmer, whatever that

734
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:54.960
happens to be, we don't recognize that that's actually a

735
00:36:55.000 --> 00:37:00.119
positive step going out that ladder. But the reality is

736
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:04.599
is that there's something below that that is still not

737
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.679
dealt with and actually last week on one of the podcasts,

738
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.719
we were talking about grief and the individual I was

739
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:17.320
working with and talking to talked about how important it

740
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:22.039
is to overcome and to work through, not to overcome,

741
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.119
but to be able to work through that grief. And

742
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:28.679
you mentioned grief as as you were sharing what are

743
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:32.360
your thoughts about that? How does someone who has experienced

744
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:35.599
that grief work through that? And I know that breath

745
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:37.480
work is a part of it, but have you found

746
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.880
that as you're working with people, and you actually mentioned

747
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.800
that you do other things. So as you're working with

748
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:46.480
people who are experiencing that grief, who are experiencing that fear,

749
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.960
what is the methodology that you use in addition to

750
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.079
the breath work for them to be able to move forward?

751
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:56.960
You know, it was this thing that happened.

752
00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:00.880
I was sponsoring this guy in twelve Step for eleven

753
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.840
years and he was close to me as like a brother,

754
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.360
like a son to me, and he took his own

755
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.679
life and it crushed me and I felt in some

756
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.920
way responsible for him. And the grief was immense, and

757
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:16.920
I've lost a lot of people. I lost a lot

758
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.679
of friends growing up when I was young and just

759
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.800
I've had a tremendous amount of grief, and this was

760
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:25.559
just too much for me because I felt in some

761
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:28.159
way like I should have known, I should have stopped,

762
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.480
I should have done something. There's all these things right

763
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.480
around suicide to make it more challenging. And I found

764
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.440
this process, which was I wrote a letter to him

765
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.199
saying everything I wanted to say, everything I wasn't able

766
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:42.599
to say and I couldn't say because he's not with

767
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:44.800
us anymore. And everyone's like, yeah, I've done the letter,

768
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:46.559
and then I'm like, not on a hold on. Then

769
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:49.880
I wrote a letter back from him to me, saying

770
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.199
everything I wanted him to say, everything I needed him

771
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.960
to say in that moment. Then I did the breath work,

772
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.840
and I called this the transformational letter process.

773
00:38:58.079 --> 00:38:59.400
It's in one of my courses.

774
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:01.559
I have a course called the Five Day Emotional Detoks

775
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:03.679
and this is in that course. And I used to

776
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:06.159
do workshops in LA with this, just this thing, where

777
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.000
I'd have the people write the two letters. And it

778
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:10.079
could be someone that's alive, it could be I've done

779
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.360
it around my father. He's alive. He's never going to

780
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.079
own the shit he did. He's never gonna say sorry.

781
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.920
If we have to wait for people to like own

782
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.960
their stuff and apologize, we're screwed. So you can do

783
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.519
it around people like that. You do the two letters

784
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:25.239
and then you lay down and you do the breath work.

785
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:28.039
What the two letters do is they bring all that

786
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.880
stuff up to the surface and they show you what

787
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:33.119
you're trying to get, what you need to get for yourself.

788
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:35.679
And then the breath work brings the healing in, It

789
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.039
clears it out, it brings it like we don't have

790
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.320
to go to the other people because you know, we

791
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:43.000
can't some people we don't want to go to them.

792
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.800
And so that's a really beautiful process that I use.

793
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:48.000
In Chinese medicine, they.

794
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.840
Say that grief gets stuck in the lungs, and a

795
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.280
lot of people are just holding on to their grief

796
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:55.920
and sometimes I don't think you fully let go of it.

797
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.239
I heard on the podcast the other day where is

798
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.480
a clip of a podcast where the guy said, if

799
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.719
you can't talk about it, then you haven't healed it.

800
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:05.639
And or if you can't talk about it, why without

801
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.119
getting upset, you haven't healed it. I don't know if

802
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:10.599
I believe or agree with that, Like, you know, I

803
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:13.159
lost my good friend Matthew Perry a couple of years ago,

804
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.519
and sometimes I talk about it and I still get upset,

805
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.039
and I think. I think I'm of the school that

806
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.719
grief is love with no place to go, and I,

807
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:26.960
you know, I miss him, I love him. I want

808
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:28.920
to like reach out to him and tell him about

809
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:31.840
this thing that's going on or a song that he

810
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:33.880
used to send me all this music for my classes,

811
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:35.960
and you know, he really pushed it, you know, he

812
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:37.599
came to my first class and was like, this is

813
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.280
your gift, this is what you're supposed to do. And

814
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:40.599
I was like, I don't know, you know.

815
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:43.760
And so I think that we.

816
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.239
Learned to walk with our grief, but we learned to

817
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.360
walk with it in a healthy way instead of it

818
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:54.280
just coming up and overwhelming us or never never owning it,

819
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:57.039
never processing it, never allowing it to be felt.

820
00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:59.639
And I love what you just said there, to walk

821
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:03.199
with it, because you know, I bring this up quite often.

822
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.519
You know, there's a saying that which we resist persists,

823
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:10.480
and to be able to recognize that it's okay to

824
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:15.920
feel that grief, it's okay to cry. I remember a

825
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:18.480
couple of months ago, I was watching a movie and

826
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:23.280
I don't know what it reminded me of totally, but

827
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:27.639
all of a sudden, I just started bawling, and it's like,

828
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:32.079
Holy cow, what on earth? And yet to be able

829
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:35.760
to recognize that it's okay to have that grief, it's

830
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:40.000
okay to experience it because as you walk with it, it's

831
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:43.599
an entirely different process than when you try to resist it.

832
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:48.440
So we're getting close to our time, and I think

833
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:50.880
we could go on for another hour with this stuff.

834
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:55.440
But first of all, how do people find you? And

835
00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:58.880
I guess one of the questions I have real quickly

836
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.159
is you know, I took your class. So if I

837
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:07.000
just sit back now and try to reiterate that regularly,

838
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.639
is that okay? Or is there a value in doing

839
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:12.599
those classes each week live?

840
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.199
That's entirely up to you. Some people come.

841
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:19.639
I have regulars that come every week. They love to

842
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.199
be on the live call, connected with people all over

843
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:23.920
the planet, and they.

844
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:25.719
Love to have me. When you're on the live call,

845
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:28.039
I shout out names. I'm like, come on, doctor.

846
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:29.719
Doug, You've done harder shit in your life than lay

847
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:31.760
on the floor and breathe. Let's go, you know, So

848
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:33.480
they need that motivation.

849
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:34.559
It's like a trainer, right.

850
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:36.559
They want somebody there to push them, and they want

851
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.360
the connection and the community. So some people come for

852
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:42.599
the live You could just come and do my class

853
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.719
one time and make your own playlists and do it,

854
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:46.960
you know, by yourself.

855
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:48.119
After that you don't need me.

856
00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:50.719
And I sell that to people all the time, and

857
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.039
or you know, I suggest to some people, you know,

858
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:56.519
get the five day Emotional Detox course because it has

859
00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:59.960
downloadable tracks in there that you can download onto your

860
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.760
phone or whatever and do it whenever you want. And

861
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:05.639
there's different lengths, but it has the exercises in there

862
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:07.440
that I combined with breath work, like I was talking

863
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:10.960
about the Transformasional letter and that you know, that will

864
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:12.599
take you to another level if you if you go

865
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.960
through that, because I think it's there are different levels

866
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.480
to the breath work, you know, the first time, for

867
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:20.599
a lot of people, they just come and they're kind

868
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:21.280
of overwhelmed.

869
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.280
They're like a lot of people are so caught up.

870
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:26.559
You've done a lot of work before obviously, so you

871
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:28.679
weren't caught up in the physicality of it, but a

872
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.559
lot of people are so even though I spend ten

873
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:33.679
minutes at the beginning, telling you like, this is going

874
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:35.400
to happen to your body, and that's going to happen,

875
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:38.920
You're gonna get emotional. I do my best to prepare people.

876
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.920
They still are shocked by the things that happen in

877
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:45.239
the session, so they need to come a couple of times.

878
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.719
I think to really let go and process and like

879
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:50.159
allow the emotions to come up and be processed. So

880
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.440
I tell people that come three or four times and

881
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.280
then make a decision what you want to do from there.

882
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:56.159
But because a lot of people are just the first time,

883
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.880
they're just caught up in the physicality of it all.

884
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:00.880
I love that I did the question the five day

885
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.760
class because that adds another dimension that I think is

886
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.000
so it goes back to the both and again. So

887
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:11.360
I think that that's so important. So how do people

888
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:11.800
find you?

889
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:15.559
Yeah, my website is Breathe with JP dot com b

890
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.800
r E A t H E w I t h JP.

891
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:21.719
People make it breath with JP. It's Breathe with JP

892
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.599
dot com and you can find everything there. I do

893
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:28.840
a class on Sunday mornings on Zoom. It's a nine

894
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:32.679
am Pacific time at California time nine am twelve pm

895
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.159
East Coast time, and then you figure it out if

896
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.800
you're all over the world, I say, and uh, there's

897
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.880
a five day replay in case you are all over

898
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.079
the world, because I have people who come from Germany

899
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.559
and Switzerland and Thailand all over the world. So there's

900
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:49.039
a five day replay if the time doesn't work for you.

901
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.760
So a lot of people sign up and just do

902
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.719
the replay. So that's kind of the first first way

903
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:56.880
in is to do my class online and then decide

904
00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:59.039
do I want to dive deeper and do the five

905
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.320
day detok score, do I want to do a training?

906
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:03.559
You know, I teach other people how to teach this work,

907
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.320
and I have these trainings online and I have them

908
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:09.519
once or twice in person a year. And so I've

909
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:12.920
certified over three thousand people and my method of leading

910
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.400
this breath work so that they can help others.

911
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:18.400
Oll and that's great. So kind of as a final thought,

912
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:20.480
what would you want to share with the audience.

913
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:24.119
I'd like to say, work hard on yourself, but don't

914
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:26.920
be hard on yourself. I think people are too hard

915
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:29.280
on themselves these days. You're going to keep making mistakes.

916
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:31.880
I know I'm going to make a mistake after this podcast,

917
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.000
the shift for me is like, can I stop? Can

918
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:36.920
I stop being so hard on myself when I make

919
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:40.519
these mistakes? Can I learn how to like just love myself?

920
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.079
And it sounds so corny to say that, but it's true.

921
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.679
It's like the self love is showing up and doing

922
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:50.159
the work that I don't want to do. It's being

923
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:54.079
willing to be uncomfortable, right, and showing up for myself,

924
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.519
be uncomfortable and doing the work that I don't want

925
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:59.159
to do, or having an open mind and trying something

926
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:01.519
different like a breath work a class that I think, oh,

927
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:02.800
that's ridiculous.

928
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:04.079
But let me try it anyways and see if it

929
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:04.519
helps me.

930
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:08.519
I think that's fantastic, And thank you, doctor Doug. Well,

931
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:10.960
thank you and I appreciate it. Folks, thanks for listening

932
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:12.960
and hope you've enjoyed it. We look forward to having

933
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:16.719
you to join us again. Is doctor Doug saying I'm mistay,

934
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:23.119
I'm mistay,