May 26, 2026

Words That Become Wealth

Words That Become Wealth
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What if wealth is not just money, but freedom, health, relationships, and purpose? Aurora Winter and Dr. Doug explore how self talk shapes your body, your stress, and your future. Learn how to catch old beliefs, rewrite your inner story, and use clarity, gratitude, and struggle to rewire your brain and step into a larger life. https://www.aurorawinter.com

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At the end of the day, it's not about what

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you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what

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you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,

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who you've made better. It's about what you've given back.

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Denzel Washington, welcome to inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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to do the same.

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Aurora, welcome to the show.

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That's great to be on the show with you, and

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I look forward to helping the audience turn their words

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into wealth.

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Well, and I'm looking for and you know, as we

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talk about wealth, I think you know so much. So

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much of the time we talk about success, wealth and

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so forth, and we're always thinking monetarily when we don't.

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That's a mistake.

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Yeah, when we don't realize.

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That, you know what, it's life, and yeah, monetary can

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be a part of it. But you know, here in Thailand,

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I see people who are what we would consider in

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the US so totally poor and homeless that they're not homeless,

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but you know they're on the streets and yet they're happy.

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They have that sense of enjoying their lives. So anyway,

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we'll get into that. But you know, you have a

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fascinating background, So I'd love for you to just take

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a short while and kind of share with the audience

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who you are. I talk a little bit about the

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books that you've written, and it will get into it

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a little bit more.

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But I agree with you both the wealth. To me,

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wealth is freedom of richness, of relationships. It's health, it's

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making a difference, it's all kinds of things. Live in

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Indonesia for a year and I had this similar experience

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to what you're just recounting.

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There.

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The people hadn't got two nickels to rup together, but

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they were joyful and you know, they had good connections,

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and that is a kind of a wealth. So my

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background is as a film and television executive producer and

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award writing screenwriter, and I am a serial entrepreneur. I've

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launched a bunch of different businesses and I've written ten books,

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including my most recent nonfiction book, Turn Wort into Wealth.

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I like to write books that make a difference, that

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can help people solve problems. But I also write books

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that will entertain people. So I've written three so far

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fantasy books for young adults, so they're kind of fun,

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The Magic Mystery and the Multiverse series of books, which

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I got on the pile. Here here's one of them.

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Oh great.

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And I just love helping people communicate more clearly and effectively,

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and that includes how you talk to yourself, how you

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talk to the people in your life, how you talk

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to your team, and how you communicate what you're up

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to so that you can enroll other people in your vision.

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Well, and I love that.

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And you know, you talk about words, and I think

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that that is so important. Why do the words that

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we use not only in communicating with others but with

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ourselves matter so much.

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I'm glad that you asked that. Most people don't start

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with that question, but I think it's so important because

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most people, most people imagine that words don't really matter,

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but actually words turn into matter, and your brain cannot

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really tell the difference between something that you believe and

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repeat to yourself multiple times and something that actually is true.

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And so we create, we become what we think we are.

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You know, thoughts are just habits of ways of thinking.

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So many people, you know, have a habit of thinking

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I'm not good enough, or I'm too old, or I'm

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too young, or I'm too female, or I'm too short

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or I'm too tall, whatever the case may be. And

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it's it's really important to choose, in my view, to

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choose to overwrite that negative programming with gratitude. Gratitude is

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the simplest thing that we can all access and honestly,

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every day above ground is a day to be grateful for. Yes,

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there are challenges, Yes there are things that you might

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want to improve about your life or your business or

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your relationships, and yet your life you're breathing. So I

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think I start every day with gratitude and every day

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with gratitude, and that really helps me stay centered well.

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And you know, as we talk about words, what comes

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to my mind immediately is we're talking, so we're talking

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about words.

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Do I talk to myself much out loud, not a lot.

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Maybe when I'm meditating, doing my walking meditation, I may

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have a few mantras I say, but out.

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Loud, but I don't do that.

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And yet, as we talk about words, and you talk

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about people talking to themselves, what are you really saying here?

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And how do they do that?

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Well? I think a lot of people use the word

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thinking quite loosely and indiscriminately. So I would like to

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draw the distinction between ruminating or automatic negative thoughts and

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actually being on the cusp of making a decision. When

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you're actually analyzing the pros and cons and you're on

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the cusp or on the verge of making a choice,

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that is thinking. But most people are not doing that

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most of the time. Most of the time they're rehashing

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yesterday with regret or they're looking forward to tomorrow with anxiety.

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And the only point of power is the present moment.

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But many times we scatter our energy. We have forty

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percent of our energy ruminating about the past, all the

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shuta kutawudas, all the people who wronged us, all the

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mistakes that we made, and another forty percent of our

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energy anxious about the future. When are we going to die.

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Do we have enough in our retirement savings account? Maybe

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we should move to Thailand? And that only leaves like

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a sliver of us twenty percent of us in the

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right here right now. Of course I'm not the only

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person to say that, but it is something that I

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do my best to pay attention to, to be present,

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the present moment is our only point of power. And

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also just to catch myself, like when I think it's

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too late, or I'm too old, or I need a

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bigger team, or any kind of negative thought, I just

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catch myself and I ask, is that true? So you know,

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this is something very helpful to do, like catch and dispute,

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argue with those negative thoughts and instead shift if you can,

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to gratitude and to the truth.

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Well, and two questions they're going to have. Number one,

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what's happening when people underestimate the power of words?

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Number one? And I'm doing this so I don't forget here.

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But number two. I used to do this in.

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My dental practice and just drive my assistance crazy because

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I'd asked two, three or four questions.

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At the same time.

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But the other thing is, you know we talk about

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that self talk. How often do we discover that the

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self talk isn't even conscious, and that it's really the

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only way that we recognize maybe that there's even self

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talk is something happens and all of a sudden, these

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emotions rise that we had no idea even existed within us.

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So let's talk about both.

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But first of all, what happens when people underestimate the

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importance of their words? And then let's talk about that

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self talk that they're not even consciously aware of.

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Well, I want to give a shout out to Louise

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Hay because she changed my life with her book, You

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Can Heal Your Life. And until I read the book

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You Can Heal Your Life, I had zero understanding that

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thoughts are things, that thoughts become reality. And I read

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that book just after my husband died suddenly. I was

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thirty one years old, we had a four year old son,

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and my thirty three year old husband dropped dead completely unexpected. So,

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as you might imagine, I was having a lot of

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negative thoughts like I can't do this, this is wrong.

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God hates me, I can't be a single mom, like

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I hate the word widow. Going to manage? I won't

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be able to, you know, take care of my son,

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I won't be able to take care of myself. Why

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did this happen? And reading that book by Louise Hay,

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which is still I think very helpful even today. She's

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passed on now, but her book is great, and she's

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got recordings on YouTube which are great, which shows the

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power of words, because after somebody's passed on. She pointed

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out that in her experience thoughts or things, and that

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we attract and create what we habitually think. And that

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was a real wake up call for me. That was

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like a bucket of ice water, because I'm like, whoa,

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If my thoughts are like horses, they are totally out

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of control and they're definitely going the wrong way. And

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so I began, many years ago. I began to interrupt

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those negative thoughts and to choose more empowering thoughts. At first,

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I did it for my son, not because I didn't

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really care if I was alive or dead, but I

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certainly was the only existing alive I hearn from my son,

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so I had to take care of him. So first

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I did it for him, and that's okay, here's whatever

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you can. And now I've developed that into just a

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daily habit of gratitude in the morning, gratitude in the evening.

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I'm not saying my thoughts are perfect, but I do.

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I do appreciate myself at the end of the day.

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I'm like, you did a good job there. You did

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something difficult and you communicated fearlessly, or you've communicated as

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best you coulde So good for you. And I think

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if we don't understand that thoughts are things, then we

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are tragically sabotaging our health, potentially calling forth disasters. I

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like a course of Miracles. Perhaps you've read it, so

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there's a fundamental choice. You can either choose grievances or miracles.

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And I'm like, I think I'll go for the miracles.

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Yeah. Well, and you know it's interesting here.

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You are a film producer, okay, And I remember I

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wrote a blog once and I came up with this

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because someone else had mentioned it to me.

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It was not original, but I was.

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Talking about the movies of our life and how often

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we are the author and the writer of our movie,

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and we are the ones that have created that story

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within our lives. How does that happen and how early

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does that begin? And how real is that? And what

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is causing those stories that may not necessarily be truly

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who we are.

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Well, I love that you've put it forth in the

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movie context, because it is very easy to cast yourself

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in the role of victim. But on the other hand,

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a hero's story has the same plot points. It's just

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the hero doesn't give up, so you know, a hero

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needs challenges and obstacles. There would be no you know,

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triumphant story of Saint George and the Dragon without the dragon.

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I mean, if Saint George went out, he walked in

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with a sunny day, there was no problems and many

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kissed the princess like that's a very boring story, but

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no confronting the dragon. So I invite people who may

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be having some difficult times, think of yourself as a hero.

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What would a hero do? A hero's life is not

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absent of challenges, it's just you don't give up.

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Well, and you know, you talked about victimization, and I

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think so many people, without even realizing it, are living

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as a victim. And again, I want to go back

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to the original aspect of how do these stories get created?

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And I think that you know, for a lot of

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people this subconscious stories that have been created and as

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you say, and I appreciate the fact that you said,

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we literally attract from that subconscious story our life and

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our life experiences and our perception of our life. How

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do those things get created? Because I think it's important

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for people to understand that they can start to express gratitude,

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as you say, if they understand that that story that

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they have written was not really written by them. To

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some degree, it was because of their perception and so

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forth as a child.

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by your school, by your teachers, by your family, whatever

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that happens to be, by society. How do people recognize

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what that is and begin to understand that that's not

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people with their books is many times that get to

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go through their life and look for the gold in

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various different experiences and go that was a muddy experience

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that to wash off the mud, Oh there was a

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gold in there, there was a diamond, or there was

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some silver, and kind of reclaim their life. But one

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of the questions I love to ask my clients is

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if they are expressing a limiting belief or painful thought,

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like when did you first have that thought? And many

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times they're complaining or in grief about something that happened

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a year ago. But then when I ask when did

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you first have that thought? They suddenly go back through

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their life and they're like, well, actually, when I was ten,

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kind of emotional response that you're now having again at

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forty five? Oh well my mother said this, and so

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then we can unravel it and go okay, So that

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painful thought isn't even yours. It was given to you

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by your mother when you were ten, and you're still

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holding onto it. Would you like to let go of it?

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painful thoughts of limiting beliefs, and go, well, when did

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I first have this thought? Is this thought really about

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the thing that just happened? Or is that just a

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energy or this thought or this belief since I was ten.

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my clients with is is that even your thought or

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even your mother's thought, or did you just absorb that

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like as if you were a radio receiver from the

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collective unconscience, from the society, from I don't know what

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you watched on TV or you heard on radio? Is

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it really your thought or having you just not had

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any armor on and you were like a sponge and

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absorbed it, right, And I think it's worthwhile going slowly

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nobody ever loves me. I'll never succeed any one of

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those kind of things, and just go, well, whose thought

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is that? Is it even yours? And if it's not yours,

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let's release it well?

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And I love that, you know.

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he was a good friend and he called me one

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day and he says, you know, Doug, he says, I

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need to talk because I keep making these stupid decisions.

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with this, but I can't figure it out, So we

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went back. We did the NLP going back into his

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childhood and discovered a moment in time in school when

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his teacher did something and I think this was maybe

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third fourth fifth grade, where his teacher did something that

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put him on the path of thinking that he was

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not good, that he was not good.

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Enough, and so forth.

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an hour and a half to get there, But when

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it was all said and done, he came out of

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that and I watched him start.

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To make amazing new decisions.

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He changed he was in the company that he was

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part on, but he changed his responsibilities, and all of

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a sudden, he watched his income grow dramatically as well

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as his family life becomes so much better.

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What do you have any stories that you could share

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with the audience about something like that?

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You know, I have a variety of stories along that line.

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I think you and I are quite akin in the

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way that we coach people. I like that you use NLP.

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I use similar like cognitive behavioral therapy, which I wrote

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about in my book Grief Relief in thirty Minutes. One

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of the most striking examples that I could share is

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one of my clients came to my event. When I

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was helping people through grief, I founded the Grief Coach Academy,

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which is now being run by somebody else. Anyway, she

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was traumatized by this recurring nightmare. She couldn't sleep. She

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would wake up drenched and sweat. She'd wake up and

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just again and again seeing her husband die, died in

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a correct and this was really robbing her life because

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she couldn't sleep. And you know, Numberinkia, happiness is a

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good night's sleep, and she was revisiting it, revisiting it.

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And what we did at the event is just helped her.

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Instead of stopping at the most horrific, blood spurting moment,

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continue the dream, continue the vivid imagination, a waking dream

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through coaching, so to speak. And then she was able

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to just imagine him leaving his body peacefully going, you know,

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her belief system to heaven and she was able to

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see him, you know, with the archangels with Jesus. I

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forget exactly what her details were, it doesn't matter, but

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that shifted her so profoundly because instead of stopping it,

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we always stop at the worst moment, she was able

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to have a vivid experience that was much more peaceful,

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and you know, it was a several day event. She

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reported that she slept through the night the following night.

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stuck for months or even decades. I've had people that

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I worked with who had the same thing keeping them

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stuck for twenty years, and in one coaching session, by

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reframing it using cognitive behavioral therapy or NP or other techniques,

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it just lifts and it's gone. And when they're able

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to live more completely into their full divine potential.

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so much has been viewed as kind of woo woo, yeah,

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blah blah blah type of stuff. But there's a neuroscientific

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aspect to this, and I'd love for you to talk

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a little bit about neuroscience and what this does to

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our lives, to our stress levels, to all of those

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types of things when we allow this to happen. And

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the other thing that you brought up, and I think

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so often we don't even know sometimes where it comes from.

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we're free to choose we have our agency, and I

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think to myselves, Yeah, but there's one caveat there because

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we also have d and a memory and we don't

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even know about that. And yet, from a neuroscientific standpoint,

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we could be having memories from our ancestors hundreds of

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years ago that have come up somehow and are facing

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our lives and without us becoming truly aware and learning

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how to manage that, it can it completely directs our lives.

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about that. But piggybacking on what you're saying about neuroscience,

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your body doesn't perceive the difference between the thought and

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the reality. So if you are under threat, like a

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life threatening circumstance, your body will flood with cortisol. You'll

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you know, trigger fight, flight or freeze. All of these

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things are great if you actually need to run from

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a cybertooth tape tiger, but they're not good to live

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on a daily basis. They prematurely aid you. They can

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invite disease like heart attacks or cancer. It's not good

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to be living in fight or flight on an ongoing basis.

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the DNA of memories, and I agree, I think they

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have I think we have memories in our bodies. We

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also think that stories are the way that humanity. The

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DNA of humanity I think is stories. Stories are how

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we capture the wisdom of humanity from generation to generation

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to generation. That's why, you know, the fairy tales are

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so like horrible because they're really warning us of like

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watch out, that could go badly, don't go there. But

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ever talked about this on a podcast before. On the

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first anniversary of my husband's death. So my husband died

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in front of me, so that was traumatic and I

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had some PTSD. But what was shocking, surprising, completely unexpected

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was on the first anniversary of his death, it was

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like my body remembered that horrific experience and those very

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cells of my body were trembling with dread. It was

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my experience of it was it was the body remembering,

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not the mind, and it was very, very physical. So

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that was that wasting And I do appreciate the body

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has its own wisdom. The body and especially are you

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know people talk about having a gut feeling like your

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gut is your second brain. We do have a brain,

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so to speak, in our gut with our intuition.

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Carl Young that talked about that. I can't remember the

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exact words he uses, but the consciousness, the universal consciousnesses. Yeah,

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and you.

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Know that gets really way out there to some degree

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for some people. But the reality is that as you look.

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At that, and as he talked about it, I believe

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that there's this universal consciousness that we can tap into

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that we have no idea where it comes from. And

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so it goes into something that you've talked about before.

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I want to talk about clarity. Why is it so important?

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Because this is something that I.

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Find that I talked to a lot of people.

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This concept of awareness, this concept of inner clarity is

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it's so difficult for people, and yet it is in

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my mind, the key to start that path of personal

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transformation and the journey that they're really looking for in

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their life.

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Talk a little bit about that.

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I love this. I think clarity is difficult for two reasons.

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One is we don't some of us don't want to

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get clear because we have this idea that if we

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get really clear, and we get very precise about what

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exactly we want, and then we fail, then we really

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have egg on our face. Whereas if we live in

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this kind of sloppy sort of I kind of sort

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of want it, then we can't fail. So I think

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the first obstacle to overcome with clarity is being willing

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to admit to yourself what you truly truly want, or

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like WAYN. Dyer said, what you really really really really want.

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And the cool thing is that what is it? I

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think I may have the numbers a little bit off,

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but only two percent of Americans write down their goals.

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But of those two percent who do write down their goals,

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they're eighty percent more likely to achieve them. So once

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you have released the fog so to speak, that you're

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willingly putting around being clear, then lean into like, really,

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if you got clear and you wrote it down, like

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I write my goals down every morning, they're the same

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goals from Esby, but I want to remind myself, and

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that's because the neuroscience of it is, their reticular activating

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system is very goal oriented, and if we make it

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clear what we're aiming at, we're far more likely to

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get there. Whereas if we live in this kind of sloppy, vague,

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well you're not going to get anywhere because you haven't

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even said where you want to go. It's like if

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you're you know, if you're in a plane going from

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Los Angeles to New York, for example, the plane can

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be off course ninety seven percent of the time and

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still get there because course correct, course correct, course correct.

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So I think it's really valuable to get clear and

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what you truly want. Then you're like me, write it

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down and just remind yourself and your bullet points every morning.

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Like a lot of people, eighty percent of people want

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to write a book, but how many actually start writing

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is a far smaller number. Right, Well, you fiel't start writing,

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you're probably not going to finish your book.

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Well, and you know, we'll talk about that because you

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mentioned journaling or you know, you journal each morning, and

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it's interesting to me that that really does make a difference.

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I struggle with that.

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I struggle with journaling, but I love to come up

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with these concepts of quote, writing a book and so forth.

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So the stories that we write for ourselves, I think

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become so important. And when we get back to neuroscience,

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you know, I think there's such a great fear among

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people that I can't change, you know, I just can't change.

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And I mean, how many times have we heard that

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from someone that is experiencing something in a negative way

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and you just need to do this, And they go,

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I can't change. What's a neural scientific aspect of those

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neural pathways from your experience and understanding, where we literally

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can change those neural pathways from being negative to being positive.

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Well, I love this point. I think there is a

469
00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:21.359
major misconception people have about struggle. So for example, people

470
00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:25.880
say things quite commonly like Oprah thrived in spite of

471
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:30.799
her difficult childhood. No, Oprah became successful because of her

472
00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:34.920
difficult Or David Goggins, you know, in spite of his

473
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:37.559
poverty and the fact that he was dyslexic, he became

474
00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:42.519
super successful ultra athlete and bestselling author. No, not in

475
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:47.240
spite because of And the neuroscience is this, when we

476
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:52.240
struggle to overcome adversity at the edge of our capacity,

477
00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:56.240
that is when we're actually laying down mylin. So we're

478
00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:00.359
actually rewiring our brain, We're laying down mylin And it

479
00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.480
is struggle that lays down mylin. It's that aha moment

480
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:07.160
also lays down mylin. You can change from like a

481
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:11.759
billy goat trail that's that can send messages at two

482
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:15.119
miles an hour to easily upgrading to two hundred or

483
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:19.039
even two thousand miles an hour through struggle. So struggle

484
00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:21.799
is not like you're completely overwhelmed and you're about to drown.

485
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:26.000
Struggle is when you're playing tennis or golf against somebody

486
00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:28.200
who's like ten percent better than you. You know, they're

487
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:30.559
not ten times better than you, but they're ten percent.

488
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.440
You've got to pay attention. You're working to be at

489
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:34.960
the top of your game. On the other hand, if

490
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:37.559
you're playing with a child, you can phone.

491
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:38.000
It in, right.

492
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:41.079
So the struggle comes when we were intending to do

493
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:44.960
our best and we're stretched like about four percent beyond

494
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:47.880
our capacity. So we're not stretched the breaking, but we're

495
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:51.240
stretched to do as best as we possibly can. So

496
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:54.000
it could be playing tennis, it could be playing the piano,

497
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:57.039
it could be writing, it could be speaking, it could

498
00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:02.119
be jogging. But when we confront our demons, or we

499
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:07.319
confront our weakness, or we confront our lack of excellence,

500
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:11.599
that's the path to mastery. People are not born masterful

501
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:16.680
communicators like Oprah or like one hundred mile joggers like Goggins.

502
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:20.319
They get there by struggling. So I really want people

503
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:24.880
to know that if you're struggling, celebrate it. You're actually

504
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:29.240
rewiring your brain. You're literally rewiring your brain in a

505
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:31.720
very wonderful and fantastic way. And you can do this

506
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:35.559
at any age. And myelin is not like here today,

507
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:37.599
gone tomorrow, like once you lay it down. It's more

508
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.359
like a highway. You get to go from that billy

509
00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:43.720
goat trail that's dirt path to like a four lane

510
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:46.440
highway or a six lane highway each way. So well,

511
00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:48.039
value of struggle.

512
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.880
And you know you had mentioned gratitude, what comes to

513
00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:54.680
my mind, you know, beeting here in Thailand, obviously ninety

514
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.240
percent of the people here are Buddhists, right, And so

515
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.400
I've really enjoyed studying that a bit. And you know,

516
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.839
he talks about suffering and how to overcome suffering, and

517
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.279
I think about that and think, you know what, it

518
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.720
isn't a matter of the fact that circumstances change. It's

519
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:16.240
that as they follow that path that he talks about suffering.

520
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:19.640
Number one, they recognize that they're suffering. Number two And

521
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:21.640
I think you hit that he doesn't talk about this.

522
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:24.440
But when you look at that struggling, when you look

523
00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:27.799
at that suffering and recognize that this is teaching us something.

524
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:29.720
And if we look at it from a standpoint of

525
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:37.039
gratitude rather than victimization, suddenly, suddenly we are not struggling,

526
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.359
We are not suffering, even though the same things are happening.

527
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:49.079
But from a mindset standpoint, from a neurological standpoint, is like, yeah,

528
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:50.359
and what can I learn from this?

529
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:50.839
Oh?

530
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:53.799
Yeah, this is hard, But what can I learn? And

531
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:56.000
I think that's so important.

532
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.960
For people to I agree, life is difficult, and when

533
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:02.319
you accept that it is difficult, then there's less suffering

534
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:05.160
because you don't take it like a personal attack because

535
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:09.319
you're suffering. Everybody is suffering. Life is a challenge. But

536
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.839
what are you going to do about it? How can

537
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.519
you be your best self in spite of the fact

538
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:15.000
that there is.

539
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.319
So as you're working with authors and you actually have

540
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:19.720
a publishing company.

541
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:21.599
Right, yeah, Same Page publishing.

542
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:22.519
That's great.

543
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:25.519
So as you work with authors, entrepreneurs, you're doing all

544
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:28.480
that type of thing. Leaders, what are a couple of

545
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:33.640
the subtle communication habits that you try to teach them

546
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:38.640
that will make a difference in their business success.

547
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:39.759
And in their life success.

548
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:43.119
From your experience, I love this question. Okay, I want

549
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:45.960
to share two things. One is the most common mistake

550
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:50.720
is people believe that the message sent is the message received,

551
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:56.480
and that is wrong. So no matter how carefully you

552
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:59.880
communicate something, you have to check in and make sure

553
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:02.960
that the message was actually received. And it helps to

554
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:05.839
understand the neuroscience of communication, which I talk about at

555
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.519
at length and my book turned words into wealth. So

556
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.839
there's three steps to effective communication, and maybe I'll add

557
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.440
a fourth if it's for a personal or personal relationship.

558
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.240
The first step is you have to have attention, so

559
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:21.319
you can talk at length, but that doesn't mean you're communicating.

560
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:23.599
If the other person is not paying any attention, no

561
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:28.359
communication is happening. So the ancient reptilian brain is sorting

562
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.160
through what do I want to pay attention to? What

563
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:34.920
is worth paying attention to? Because attention is very finite

564
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:38.799
and it's very expensive from a caloric or fat consumption

565
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:43.200
point of view, So we basically pay attention to like

566
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.519
zero point one percent of all the things we could

567
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.359
pay attention to. So first you need to be sure

568
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:50.960
that you have the other person's attention with a short,

569
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.960
snappy message. That's basically what's in it for them? Why

570
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.359
should they listen? So that's the crop brain, and that

571
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.559
would be like the subject line of an email, or

572
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.319
it would be the title of a book turnwards into wealth.

573
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.799
You know what category we're in. That's appealing to the

574
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.160
croc brain. And it doesn't matter what order you do this.

575
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.880
And then the second step from a neuroscience point of

576
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.119
view is social midbrain. And this is the step that

577
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:16.480
many people miss. So human beings didn't survive through the

578
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:20.240
millennia because we were faster or stronger, or had longer

579
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:23.359
clause or sharper teeth. We survived because of other people.

580
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:27.279
So we are very alert to who else thinks this

581
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.119
is a good idea. What is the status of the

582
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.079
person talking to me. This is why it's great to

583
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.880
be an author because the root of the word authority

584
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:38.480
is author and it changes the conversation if the person

585
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:42.400
speaking is an authority, or if they come from an authority,

586
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:45.079
or if other people think they're cool. So, for example,

587
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:50.160
this book, it won the award for a Best Nonfiction book.

588
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.759
When it came out. My Fantasy Books won the Reader's

589
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.880
Choice Award. So you can drop the mid brain. Who

590
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.039
else thinks this is a good idea? Or who sent

591
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:01.119
you our conversation right now now is mid brain? So

592
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.200
you think I'm worth talking to and I think you're

593
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:07.599
worth talking to. That checks midbrain. And then after you've

594
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:11.720
done those two steps, then you can talk to the

595
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:15.039
decision making part of the other person, the cerebral cortex.

596
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.599
But this is a generalization, but it makes the point.

597
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.079
Most people understand that our brain has a left and

598
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.359
a right hemisphere. So let's imagine you're in the throne

599
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:26.960
room and you're going to talk partly to the king

600
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.720
and partly to the queen. And let's just say all

601
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.680
people have all sides of the brain. But for making

602
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:38.519
the point stick, you're going to be analytical and logical

603
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:40.319
for the king and you're going to tell stories for

604
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.119
the queen. So and then you need to rinse and repeat.

605
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.079
So you need to check in how you know, like

606
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.599
how did that land? You want more information and you

607
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:49.880
will see if the other person is leaning in, tell

608
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.880
me more or they're glazed over, tell me less. And

609
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.640
you want to fine tune your communication. And if you

610
00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:59.759
notice most ted talks are twenty minutes, that's because it's

611
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:04.279
very expensive to really pay attention, and people can actually

612
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.839
only pay attention for about twenty minutes. Most people are

613
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.920
not paying attention, they're waiting to talk, which is different.

614
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:14.000
So what stands out to you from the three steps

615
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.880
of the neuroscience communicating with the croc brain, the mid brain,

616
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:18.160
and then the cerebral cortex.

617
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:20.799
And then you said, there's one more for oh yes.

618
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.839
The other thing that is really good to do if

619
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.839
it's a high stakes conversation is mirroring, so you can

620
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.039
literally you know, you probably know this. The Native Indians

621
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:34.200
used to have a talking stick and they would pass

622
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:36.039
the talking stick, or you can use a pen or

623
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:40.039
a pencil, and it would be like you say what

624
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:43.640
you want to say, and then you pass it to

625
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:48.039
the other person and they have to repeat and summarize

626
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.640
what you have said to your satisfaction, not word for word,

627
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.119
but that they've got the gist of it before they

628
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.759
go on to add their points. And if you really

629
00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:00.279
slow communication down, this is super helpful if it's a

630
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:03.359
high stakes argument, or if it's a husband and wife

631
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.880
or even an employer and an employee, or a parent

632
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:11.039
and a child, slow it down, check in did they

633
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.519
understand what you said? Have you understood what they're saying?

634
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:19.320
Because so many people the argument escalates, but nobody's listening well.

635
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.639
And you know what comes to my mind is, you know,

636
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.719
I have a couple of brothers that are attorneys. But

637
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:28.599
even now as we see what's going on in Minneapolis

638
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:30.039
and some of those things.

639
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:31.840
And what fascinates me.

640
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:34.760
And I'm not going to make any political judgment here

641
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.440
at all, so that's not what I'm trying to do here,

642
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.840
But what fascinates me is you have people looking, for instance,

643
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:45.639
the same video and coming up with entirely one hundred

644
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:50.840
and eighty degree opposite perception of what happened. And I

645
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.679
think so often we don't realize that as we are

646
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.400
communicating with someone that we are also depending on the

647
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:02.000
words we're using, the let the body language that we're using,

648
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:07.440
their perception is going to be entirely or possibly entirely

649
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:11.039
different of what we are saying than what we are

650
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:14.880
really trying to say and communicate. And I think this

651
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:18.159
concept of mirroring, how do you help people to understand

652
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:21.760
in a very subtle way how to mirror so that

653
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.519
they can make sure that the individual that they're talking to,

654
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:28.719
whether it's in business, whether it's personal, truly understands what

655
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:29.320
they're saying.

656
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:33.280
Yeah, the thing to do is to get curious. You

657
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:36.000
can mirror back. You know, Doug, did I hear you

658
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:38.760
say x y z. You don't have to agree with

659
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:41.599
x y z, but you need to capture the gist.

660
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:43.519
I need to capture the gist if we were doing

661
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.679
this of what you had said, and by not allowing

662
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:51.239
the other person to make their counterpoint until I've summarized

663
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:55.000
it to your satisfaction, that works to keep to slow

664
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:58.639
things down. So I really invite people who are having

665
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:02.199
challenges with communication, or even if you're listening to the news,

666
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:06.280
get curious. Oh, I wonder why that person sees it

667
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.480
that way. You know, this doesn't seem to happen at

668
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:11.960
universities anymore, but back in the day when I went

669
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.719
to university, if you were in the debate club, you

670
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.039
had to debate either side. You had to be able

671
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:23.519
to take your opponent's point of view and argue it effectively.

672
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:28.239
And I think we have lost that talent to some effect,

673
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:31.239
to some degree, But I think that if you can

674
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:34.039
be curious how the other person is seeing it, and

675
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.119
you can capture their point of view and understand that

676
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:39.679
they can't really listen to you unless you've listened to them.

677
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.039
So if you'd like to be heard, seek first to understand,

678
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:47.320
as seven habits of highly effective people said, seek first

679
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:48.719
to understand, and then beyond.

680
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.039
Well, what do we do?

681
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:53.719
I mean, obviously, you know, I believe it's just one

682
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:56.360
person at a time, but as we look at the

683
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:59.559
rhetoric that's going on, as we look at the anger

684
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:03.480
and the disagreement. I mean, it's amazing at this point

685
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.360
in time where someone who was a dear friend, all

686
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:10.239
of a sudden you have different political thoughts and you're

687
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:11.199
no longer friends.

688
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:16.079
You can't you can't talk. How do you help? What

689
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:17.000
would you suggest?

690
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:19.400
How do you help people to be able to have

691
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:25.159
an honest communication without judgment and without that reactivity to

692
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:27.079
where you're really seeking to understand?

693
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:29.840
Okay, this is how you think. I don't agree.

694
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.519
You know, we can agree to disagree, but eliminate that

695
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:39.280
negative emotion that has created such anger and division within

696
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:40.000
the country.

697
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:42.960
Well, that's a bit more advanced. Is not actually what

698
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.519
I do? Is the main thing. Because I help people

699
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:49.440
publish books, I think what I mostly help people with

700
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.039
is first get clear. What do you think? What do

701
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:57.159
you feel? How has your life changed you? How is

702
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:01.599
a difficult circumstance that seemed like nothing but nothing but

703
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:04.719
suffering on the surface. How did that later help you

704
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:12.199
become a kinder, more wise, more interesting, more compassionate person

705
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:17.400
or did it so? I think before we wrangle with

706
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:21.599
other people's opinions, it's great to take a stock of

707
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.800
who are you, how did you get here, what do

708
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:28.400
you really stand for, what do you care about? And

709
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.360
is that a message that you'd like to share with

710
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the world. And if so, perhaps you want to write

711
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a book or launch a YouTube channel, or host a

712
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.320
podcast or have a radio show if you feel it's important.

713
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But even if you don't share it with other people,

714
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.239
I think there's a lot of value in getting clear

715
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.800
for yourself. In my experience, when I'm helping people, you know,

716
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.800
turn their life story or the business story into a book,

717
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:55.159
they change because they reclaim the orphaned parts of themselves

718
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:59.239
and they have the opportunity to see that that horrible

719
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.800
thing that happened to me, actually that kind of turned

720
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out to be a blessing in an unexpected way. And

721
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.679
I hadn't really put two and two together until just

722
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:10.960
this moment. And there's something very what's the word?

723
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:11.719
You know?

724
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It helps you become more coherent as a human being

725
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:17.880
when you look at the fragments of your past and

726
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:19.880
you put together a coherent story.

727
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:22.159
Well, and you know, you talk about writing books, and

728
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.719
we're getting close to the end here, but you know,

729
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:27.360
what comes to my mind is so many people want

730
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:28.960
to write a book because they want to make money.

731
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:33.679
And you know, I went online and looked at your

732
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:36.840
books and when I went on Amazon and guess what,

733
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:40.079
I can download your three books for free.

734
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:40.960
There you go.

735
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:46.000
And in my mind, it's interesting people keep thinking, well,

736
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:47.280
I got to write a book so I can make

737
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some money and so forth, when in reality, what you're saying,

738
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.679
if I'm understanding correctly, is by being able to sit

739
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:59.199
down contemplating writing and putting it on paper, regardless of

740
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.760
what the end results is, that's something that helps them

741
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:04.280
personally exactly.

742
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:09.159
It helps them step into a bigger role of a leader. Yeah. So,

743
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:11.280
as I wrote about in turn words into wealth, there

744
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.559
are seven different ways to make seven figures with the book,

745
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:15.599
but none of them are selling books. That would be

746
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:18.079
a way number eight, which has been done. People have

747
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:20.559
made lots of money with books. But if people want

748
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.679
to be a public speaker, or they want to simply

749
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:26.719
step into a bigger leadership role, it can be helpful.

750
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:28.280
It's in the same way that you know, I've got

751
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.760
an MBA. You know, if you've got an MBA, or

752
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:32.760
you've got the MD at the back of your name,

753
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:34.920
or you used to be a dentist, so you've got

754
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.880
what is that the DS yeah, at the back of

755
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:41.719
your name. Like that doesn't produce income itself, but it

756
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:46.400
opens the doors to a new layer, a new level

757
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:50.159
of respect that then creates wealth and income as a

758
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:53.079
speaker or as a trainer or for your business, etc.

759
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:56.760
So as we close, what would be a message that

760
00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:58.599
you'd like to share with the audience It can make

761
00:40:58.639 --> 00:40:59.880
an impact in their lives.

762
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:03.480
Yeah, I would love people to know that you matter

763
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:08.199
and your story matter. I have been deeply changed by

764
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:11.599
people who were already passed on by the time I

765
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:14.840
read their books, but they changed my life. And if

766
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.480
you have a message to share, I think that it'd

767
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:20.119
be a wonderful thing to write a book and leave

768
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.559
it as part of your legacy, and if you'd like

769
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.000
help with that, you can come visit us at Same

770
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:28.039
page Publishing dot com. You know, I can't think of

771
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.639
a bigger gift to give than a book that can

772
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.239
have a decade or two decades of somebody's experience. And

773
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.000
like you say, you can usually download it for free

774
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:39.239
on Amazon or get it from the library for free,

775
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:41.480
or at most you spend twenty dollars to get the book.

776
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:44.519
So it's a really great gift to give others.

777
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.800
Well, and I think you've hit a sensitivity for me

778
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:51.519
because I think about my children, my grandchildren and so forth,

779
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.760
and you know what legacy have I left them? And

780
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:57.360
you know, you've hit it on an interesting point that

781
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.880
I haven't thought about writing a book for them in

782
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:04.119
a legacy so that they truly understand what I believe,

783
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:05.159
what I think.

784
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:09.360
That could be so impactful. So I appreciate you saying that, Well.

785
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.360
You're welcome. Well let me know when you write your book.

786
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.719
Yeah, right, So how do people find you? How do

787
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:15.880
they learn more about you?

788
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.199
So they can come to the Same Page Publishing dot

789
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:20.639
com and they can get some free resources there, they

790
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.760
can see the successes of my clients, and then if

791
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:26.599
they would like help writing a book or creating videos

792
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:29.400
for a YouTube channel or anything to do with communication. Really,

793
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.480
they can sign up for a free business breakthrough call

794
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:35.000
at book Call Top Days and I'd be glad to

795
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:36.039
have a chit chat.

796
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:39.119
Oh or thank you so much. This has been fascinating.

797
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:44.280
I really appreciate it. And my timer just went off.

798
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:46.800
Perfect timing, Doug.

799
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.039
Yeah, yeah, perfect, perfect perfect.

800
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:51.599
That was very interesting.

801
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:56.199
So anyway, thanks so much. I really appreciate it, and folks,

802
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:59.280
thanks for listening. I hope you've enjoyed it. This is

803
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:03.000
doctor Doug saying, have a wonderful week and no mistay

804
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:10.920
down with sir,