June 2, 2026

The Life and Work You Were Born to Do

The Life and Work You Were Born to Do
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Your job is what you're paid to do. Your work is what you were born to do. Dr. Vance Cooper shares that distinction and so much more in this conversation about authentic leadership, the courage it takes to really know yourself, and why the people who resist self-assessment the most are often the ones who need it most. Whether you lead a team or just lead your own life — this one's for you. www.vancecooper.com

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Of competent professionals before applying or trying any suggested ideas.

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At the end of the day, it's not about what

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you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what

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you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,

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who you've made better. It's about what you've given back.

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Denzel Washington, Welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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to do the same.

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Vance Welcome to the show.

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Thank you for handing me.

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Hey, I'm excited to have you here. I think this

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will be an interest conversation. I know that you're very

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focused on business, and that's your main approach, and yet

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what I have found so often is the two intermingle,

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business and personal intermingle. I'd love for you to kind

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of share your background, who you are and a little

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bit about that.

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So my name is doctor Vani's Cooper, born and raised

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in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I'm a leadership development consulting My background

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is primarily from healthcare. I've been in the healthcare industry

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for about fifteen years. My experience in healthcare has them

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from long term care services, also in patient mental health services,

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so I've worked on psyching in it for the last

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ten years as well.

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And outside of my healthcare work.

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I do leadership development workshops and trainings and seminars. My

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goal is to help people individuals unlock unrealized leadership, pertain,

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joke within themselves in an authentic way. So that's just

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a little bit about me and some of the things

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that that I have going on it and what I do.

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Okay, So as you talk about health care and are

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are you as psych psch.

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No, So I'm actually so.

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My my PhD in corporate leadership, So my PhD is

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actually not in healthcare. So my my responsibilities so I

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do admissions and business development. So a lot of my

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experience has been an intake as an admissions director for

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long term care facilities, so admitting patients, you're viewing, clinical

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making sure that the insurances are network, making sure everything

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is lined up for the for the patients, to screening

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patients coming from so the hospital, I work for it.

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As we have an older adult and adult behavioral health.

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We take voluntary involuntary admissions as well. If you can

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imagine it, I've seen it when it comes to emitting.

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Patients and so yeah, so we do, so I do.

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I'm responsible for managing our admissions process, making sure that

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the patients meet criteria, verify, I know, the insurances, making

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sure everybody's authorized, and then also making sure that the

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community is aware of our behavioral health services. So that's

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really my response to my what my healthcare career looks like.

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I imagine though, that you lean a lot of information because

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you're not.

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Just absolutely absolutely it's it's been as I always joke

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around with a lot of my friends and say that

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mental health is one of those medical specialties where you

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can see you see so many unique cases where there's

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truly one of one, like you'll see the case one time,

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you'll never see anything like.

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It ever again.

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Well, and you know, one of the things you comment

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about in your in your bio that you shad to

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me is and let me see if I can read

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it here because I like it. You're helping them unlock

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their unrealized leadership potential within themselves without compromising authenticity. And

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when I read that, what really hit me is so often,

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and I've seen this in reality here. So often we

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have someone who is an individual, and yet when they

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get into a business situation, a leadership situation, all of

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a sudden, they become a different person. And I've observed

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that very personally with people that either I've known or

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one of my brothers has known. My brother's saying, oh,

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they are so wonderful, they're so kind, they have this

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great sense of humor, and all of a sudden you

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watch them talk and their background as a lawyer, and

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all of a sudden, they are just stern and they're

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talking and you don't see any of that real personality.

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And you find that that's the case with people, not

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only in leadership and business, but in general.

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So, I am a firm believer that you should never

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be compromising who you are. I think that there are

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definitely situations where you're natural wiring. I mean, we all

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have an unnatural way that we're wired and uniquely wired

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and so I do think that there are going to

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be situations and circumstances where you have to adapt to

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your environment, which is that's perfectly normal. But whenever you

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find yourself in a situation where you have to adapt

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for too long, it's almost always going to become overwhelming.

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For some people it might take a year, some people

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it might take you know, a couple of minutes, a

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couple of hour, ten years, but at some point it's

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going to become a little overwhelming and you're going to

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start overcompensating.

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Well. And how often do you see someone living in

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life that's not really there? They're they're living in life

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the society says they need to be or all of

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the other or backgrounds that It can be family, it

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can be religion, it can be all those types of things. School,

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this is who you should be. And you see people

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living a life that is not really theirs.

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see people where.

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People have a tendency to do the things that they

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think they can get or that they know that they

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can get. So if they see somebody else achieving or

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working on in a specific area, they say, hey, this

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person has success.

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I want to do that, and so they try to

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do it.

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And just because it's worked for somebody doesn't necessarily mean

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that it's going to work for you.

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Because everybody's unique.

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We all have our own special talents, and that just

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might not be your talent. You might be adapted to

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a situation where it's not. You're not operating in your

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natural gifts. So it's dependent upon ourselves and it's our

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responsibilities to really be able to figure out what our

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leadership gift is so that we're not focused on trying

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to chase somebody else's gift or somebody else's dream.

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And when someone is just really living someone else's life

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or what they think they should be, how often do

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you see that or have you observed that that can

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create some psychological as well as emotional issues for them

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where they're they're experiencing depression and they don't know why

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are those type of things? Have you observed that at all?

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I see it all the time, especially working in the

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mental health space, though of course I do want to

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disclaim I'm not a therapist, I'm not a psychiatrist, But

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being that I work with these professionals on a day

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to day basis and I'm around so many patients that

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are dealing with challenges. You see it all the time

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where people have it could be something that it could

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be a various experience that they've had. Sometimes it could

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be something that they might have seen their friends do.

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Something they might have seen their you know, family member,

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they might have seen them have some success in and

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the minute they can't figure out who they are, what

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their purpose is, and it really can have it really

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can weigh down on a person. And sometimes when you

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don't when you have it going through that self discovery

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process as I like to call it, because that's really

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what leadership is, as a self discovery process. If you

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haven't done that, it really can put you in a

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situation where you really don't know what you're supposed to

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be doing. And when you when you don't really have

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a purpose, when you think that life or what you're

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going through, you know, you're feeling worthless or you're feeling helpless.

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It can lead to depression, It can lead to anxiety,

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it can lead to other physical health conditions that really

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have a detrimental effect.

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On you well. And you know, I've really been focusing

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on the sole concept a bit. In fact, I'm starting

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a whole new little program for social media called doctor

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Doug reflects a quiet Return. And the whole point is

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that so often we don't realize who we are. I mean,

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you know, you can even get in the theologically a

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little bit about that, but who we are has been

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so hidden from us, I think in many cases to

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the point that we have the guilt, we have the shame,

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we have all of that and don't recognize who we are.

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How do you help someone in leadership? But also, as

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I say, because I used to do some small business consulting,

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there's no question that helping someone in a leadership situation

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helps them in their own life, also in a personal situation.

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And how do you help someone in your experience to

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discover who they really are and recognize that divinity within them,

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the goodness within them, the fact that yes, they are good,

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good individuals.

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Well, I think that it all starts with that vision,

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that big, big vision. And I think that quite frankly,

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most people never really sit down and take the time

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to really figure out what that big vision that they

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have for their lives is. And so when you don't

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have that vision, and when we're saying vision, when I

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talk about sight. We're talking about that that big vision,

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that that thing that you can't really see, that thing

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that you're supposed to do, that that that purpose.

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And so if you don't.

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Have a big vision that you're that you're working towards,

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it really it's almost like you're moving through life focus

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on what you think you can get or what you

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know you can get. It's there's there's no there's no

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real purpose, there's no real meaning, and so you really

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want to be able to find figure out what that

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deeper meaning is and what that big vision is for

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your life, because, like you said, everybody a vision was

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instilled in every single person on this planet. And usually

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it'll take some sort of either some experience, some sort

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of outside catalyst to really kind of be able to

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bring that out, bring that vision out of us. But

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the key is to, by any means necessary, you have

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to figure out what that day vision is for your life,

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because it's that vision that they those things that you're

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working towards.

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That's how you're be able to that's how you're going.

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To be able to establish the goals and the things

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that you're working towards, so you can really find meaning

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and purpose in life.

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And how does someone find that vision? I mean, you know,

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it's one thing to talk about that and we can

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do that all of the time, but how does someone

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who is struggling and is finding that they're not happy?

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And that's probably one of the first keys of awareness

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that you know, what, this is not the life I want.

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How do they go about in your experience discovering that

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vision so that at least that's the first step. Now

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they have the vision, and then from there there's other processes.

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I think the first step is really you have to

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do a self assessment. You have to really understand your

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natural wiring. That's how you really figure out who you

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are and why you're here. You have to really and

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it's really it's hard work. Like it's it's tough work

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because sometimes it could take you a couple months a

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couple of years before you really are kind of you know,

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as you get to really know yourself. But I think

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that the key is really doing some sort of a

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self assessment.

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So there's a number of different tools out here.

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Like I know, I use a tool called the flight assessment,

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which is a disk based tool.

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Get the disk assessment you.

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Have like Meyer's bridge, you have other other types of

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assessments and things like that, and these assessments aren't necessarily

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mean to tell you who you are, but I like

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to say that these are our tools to be able

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to help you with that self discovery process so that

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you really can look in and learn more about yourself.

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Because as you learn about yourself, you're able to learn

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how you're different from other people.

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Because we're all we're all wired differently.

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or wrong way to be wired. It's just preferences and perspectives.

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go through that self discovery like that, that self assessment

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process to really be able to figure out what, hey,

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what's my strengths, what are my limitations?

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Who do I work with? Am I introverted? Am I extroverted?

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Do I like work? Am I more comfortable working with people?

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Am I more comfortable on working behind the scenes and

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touching more?

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And so on the processes as it comes to things.

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So the key is really doing going through that self

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assessment process to really figure out who you are. And

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that's the way you're able to figure out what your

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natural gifts are in what's how you're able to work

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in a meaningful, in an authentic manner?

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Well, and I love that. I happen to be a

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certified behavioral analysts also, and I use something called people keys,

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and you probably heard of that because when we talk

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about the disc there's some very shallow disc personality tests,

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and I think the audience needs to understand that if

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you really want to get into what you were talking about,

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when you get into a purpose, how do you want

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to be communicated with all of those type of things

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and what are your values? It gets into something like

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you're using or what I've used in the past. And

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it's interesting because as you do that, and I think

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it's important to work with someone to just review that

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as you're doing that, because that starts you to think wow,

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you know. In fact, I remember I remember in one

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case a study that I was looking at, excuse me,

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where they had two salespeople that they hadired and one

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was just both of them interviews were incredible, that one

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was just killing it and the other one was really struggling,

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and they couldn't figure out what was going on. Finally

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they brought in the assessment and what they discovered was

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the one that was killing it had a value and

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important value of economics, and the one that was not

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killing it. One of their important values was art was

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that type of thing, and so he was really more

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focused on maybe that right brain creativity type of thing,

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whereas the other one was left brain. You know, I'm

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going to get this done, and I think that people

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don't realize that. You know, it isn't a perfect evaluation.

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someone such as yourself go through that and you know,

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how do you feel about that? Does that feel right?

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Does not? But beginning to understand who as you say,

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who they really are, I think what a key that is,

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and most people don't do that.

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Now you are one hundred percent right about that.

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The biggest key is having somebody that you're working with

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that's able to guide you through that process, because you're

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not really able to if you're if you're just taking

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an assessment and you don't have anybody that's going to

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be kind of walking you through it and asking you

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the questions that need to be asked, it's almost like

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you're just you could just toss it to the side.

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It's just another meaningless assessment that you just that's that

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you just you know, you take, you don't really implement

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or utilize it. And when you when you have somebody

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that's kind of handy or holding your hand and walking

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you through that process of self discovery, that's really the

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key and really where the transformation takes place.

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It's not in really in doing it on.

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Your own well, and you know that's where fear comes in.

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It was really interesting. I know, I was working with

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a small company and one individual that was kind of

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overseeing things. I said, you know what, they were really

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struggling with interaction with their employees and so forth. I said,

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we need to do this assessment. So we did it

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with the one individual, and I said, all right, now

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we need to do it with the owner. We need

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to do it with the boss, the CEO. They refused.

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And it was curious to me that sometimes if people

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find themselves not willing to do something like that, there's

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something going on subconsciously that really they have this fear

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of discovering who they really are or accepting responsibility for

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their behavior and who they are.

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You are one hundred percent correct, is I always say

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that a lot of times the primary reason it most people,

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and I mean I can argue most people don't want

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to go through a self assessment is because of these

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acting what you said, They might be scared of what

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they uncover about themselves. And sometimes when you're going through

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that self discovery process, you might uncover that you're operating

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in a certain way because of something that it could be.

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It could be some.

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Traumatic experience that you had as a child, and that

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whole experience just has wired the way you you operate

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and handle, you know, handle your relationships, whether that's professionally

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or personally, things of that nature. And so sometimes a

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coaching session could end up you what you need and

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to go to hire a therapist separately, because you might

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uncover some things about yourself that you really were kind

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of avoiding and running away from.

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So I think you're spot on with that well.

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And you know, as you start to work with people,

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and as you're working with people to help them to

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become truly their authentic self, do you find that there's

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even and another element there of change that becomes another

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obstacle that they need to overcome, a challenge that they

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face as far as a fear of change.

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Yeah, I think that I think some people are scared of.

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Change, when in reality, there's there's there's almost you can

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almost guarantee that things are going to change. Some things

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are going to change for the goods. Sometimes it might

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change for the worst, but nonetheless things are constantly changing.

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So I do think that some people are a little

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more resistant to changing. And so when when you're resistant

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to change, it can lead to, you know, getting back

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to the distress and the depression and the over feeling overwhelmed.

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You really can't take a toll on you when you

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when you avoid doing that inner work.

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Well, and then you're working with someone and let's talk

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about this. I'd love to hear some specific experiences that

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you've had where you've worked with with someone obviously in

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business and again I think for the audience recognizing that

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whatever's going on in business from a personal level, it's

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the same with just you know, life in general. But

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what what stories can you share where you've worked with

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someone who is really struggling and lean as a leader

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and how on earth over a period of time where

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you help them able to help them to basically start

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to realize just besides the assessment, understand who they were

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and then start the process of making those changes, because

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that process itself isn't always easy.

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Yeah, and starting the process of making those changes is

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really the hardest part. I always recommend that people take

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baby steps. So it really starts with looking at your routine.

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That's one of the things that that I always try

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to advise people to look at first. What are my

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what is my daily routine? You look like, how are

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my daily habits helping me to accomplish that big vision

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or helping me to accomplish those goals that I've set

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for myself. So I really think that things start with

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their routine. It's amazing how when people don't have a

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consistent routine that set them up for success. It's amazing

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how many people don't do that. So I think that

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that's something that's very important. I also think that it's

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very important that I think that something that's small but

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a lot of people don't do, is actually writing goals

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down and having them in a place where you can

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actually where you know you're going to look at them.

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So whether for example, I'm in my desk right now,

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but if I look up, I have this basically this

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vision board of everything that I said that I want

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to accomplish over the course of this year. And I

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do that. That's such just an activity that I've done

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for the last couple of years. That's are and it

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was a couple of years ago. But I usually do

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it in January and I just map out the whole

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year from January to December and just what's my goals,

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what types of what types of problems am I going

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to be solving? I mean, people do I need to

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be speaking to? Those types of things are all on

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this on this board that I create. So I think

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that it's very important having something that you can visually

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see because when you can as as people were visual,

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we most of us.

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Are a good portion of us are visual learners.

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Even when we try to say that we don't need

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to see it. But when you when you actually have

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these things written down on paper. But what I've really

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learned is that it makes it feel real. Whereas sometimes

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when we have an idea or we have a goal

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that oh it's in my head. When you write that

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goal down, there's something about putting that pen to paper

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and being able to have it something like something in

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your face. We're be able to see it. Not only

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does it make it feel real. It also makes you

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accountable to your goals as well, because it's something like,

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for example, like I mean, I just said I started in.

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January, and I have a.

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Time basically a timeline going into December. And do I

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expect that. I don't know that I'm going to accomplish

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every single thing that I wrote down, but one thing

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for sure is that I'm working towards it. And so

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if you're not, really, if you don't have anything written

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down that you can work towards, it really makes it.

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It really has a way of making it a little

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bit less real in which and if it's not as real,

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it makes it a little bit more difficult for you

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to hold yourself accountable to you know, to actually accomplishing

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and putting a plan in place to accomplish that goal.

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Well, you know, we all talked about moving forward, you know,

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setting these goals moving forward. And one of the things

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that I found was that so often we don't realize

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how important it is to work backwards. And when I

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say that, you know, whether it's business and this is

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what I would do when I was working with smaller businesses,

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you know, what is what is it your ultimate goal?

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What is it your ultimate vision or with the individual.

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What is it that you want out of life?

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You know?

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What is that?

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Yes?

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Now, what I want you to do is in vision

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that that's where you are.

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Now.

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I want you to go one step back. What's the

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thing that you need to do or to change in

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order for that to occur? And so they go, well,

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I probably need to do this or whatever. All right,

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now go one step back again, and keep going one

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step back, and all of a sudden it becomes really clear.

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And as you say, if you're writing those things down,

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all of a sudden you get back to the inner

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self and it's like, okay, wow, I've got these I

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have this belief system that's been imprinted on me by

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society or environment or even DNA. The is causing me

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to do these behaviors, which has caused me not to

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achieve my goal. And as we work backwards to that

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very in ourself, all of a sudden, here's where the

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change really takes place. And once you make that change,

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now you start to work forward. But now you have

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it in writing as far as what steps need to

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happen in order to achieve that goal or that life.

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Yeah, I mean you really reverse engineering is is That's

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really the key, Like I said, you really have to

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have that big vision, like if you're like if my

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favorite analogy is like if you are on a on

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a cruise ship and you see that horizon line where

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you don't see any lane, but you know at some point,

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as you continue to go further and further on the ship,

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that you're getting closer and closer to that to that

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that that land.

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So that's kind of what your vision is.

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You're you're it's something that you can't necessarily see in

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a moment, but you're constantly working towards it. So if

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you don't have something that you are constantly working towards

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in life, because I mean it's it's we we all

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have goals and then it's like you reach these milestones

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and then at you you might feel great for you know,

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a month or whatever, and then it's like, all right,

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now it's time to set a new goal. It's kind

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00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:22.680
of like winning the super Bowl, where everybody's all everybody's

475
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:24.640
all happy you win the super Bowl.

476
00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:26.319
Great, we have a great week, go.

477
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:28.200
To the parade, and then all right, it's like now

478
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:29.839
all right, now it's time back get back to work.

479
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:30.599
We at the draft.

480
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:34.640
Now we got we got free agency that we we

481
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.839
you know, it's it's kind of that that same thing

482
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.759
where you you constantly need to have something that if

483
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:45.200
you have a big vision, you constantly have something that

484
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:49.799
you're working towards, where it's almost like you're it's never.

485
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:53.039
Ending well and you know, as you're moving forward, as

486
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:55.160
you're growing. I know that you talk a little bit

487
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:58.920
about the importance of character, and as we talk about

488
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:04.599
all of these different characteristics of who we are and

489
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:08.400
who we choose to be can make such a difference.

490
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:12.039
And so often, you know, I don't know how often

491
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:17.240
people actually sit back and observe their behavior and recognize that,

492
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:20.559
you know, what, when nobody's looking, what is your character

493
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:24.079
versus what is your character when everybody's looking, what have

494
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:27.119
you found that to be? And again, any stories that

495
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.480
you can share with your experience of someone who you

496
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.480
have worked with who really was struggling and yet through

497
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.480
various steps that you helped them with, overcame and became

498
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:42.480
extremely successful in their business and their leadership and their life.

499
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.039
Yeah, I mean, I'll speak too like character is just

500
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:50.680
a matter of can people trust you? And so I

501
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:57.400
think that contrary to popular belief. Especially in America, sometimes

502
00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:01.160
what you doing pridely it does have public implications. I mean,

503
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:03.839
that's just the reality. As much as we try to

504
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:06.880
act like it doesn't, it very much can. And so

505
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:12.039
it's very important for us to really take time to

506
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:16.039
really just kind of assess it and be just recognize

507
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:18.680
the person that we want to be remembered for and

508
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:22.559
just making sure that it's somebody. Just just making sure

509
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.160
that we're people that others can trust and that others

510
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.480
want to follow, because one thing about it is that

511
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:33.400
when people trust you, once that trust is broken, it

512
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.920
can be very very difficult to get that trust back.

513
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.079
And so I think it's very important that you have

514
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:46.119
people that you know operating in good character because that's

515
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:50.880
just the demonstration that you're worthy of being trusted. I

516
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:54.000
can think of an example of one person I was

517
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:54.599
working with.

518
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.799
It was having some issues. Basically he was just.

519
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:04.039
Struggling with with his team where he would get along

520
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.720
with certain types of team members and then other types

521
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:07.720
of team members.

522
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:09.079
Couldn't stand his guts.

523
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:12.200
And when we were working with each other and we

524
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:15.799
really peel back the layers, what we were finding was

525
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:20.279
that obviously you have people that we are more comfortable

526
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:23.000
working with. But the people that he was more comfortable

527
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.079
working with, it was showing and it was really all

528
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.240
some he was subconsciously showing them more favoritism than the

529
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.839
people that he wasn't as comfortable working with. And then

530
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.039
there wasn't I mean, the comfortability was really as simple

531
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:41.039
as you have some people that kind of you know,

532
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:43.119
you have some people that are just straight shooters, where

533
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.839
they just tell you like it is. They just and

534
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:49.920
they just are very direct in the way and their approach,

535
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:51.960
where you have other people that are kind of like,

536
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.720
you know, walking on eggshells a little bit, a little

537
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:57.039
bit more of a softer approach and kind of easy

538
00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.480
you into what they want to say.

539
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.559
And so when he was more.

540
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:05.680
Comfortable with the people who would ease in, and so

541
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:10.200
when people would straight shoot him shoot it to him

542
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:13.160
straight as we say, he filled them.

543
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:13.720
Type of way.

544
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:18.000
But we really had to as I was having conversations

545
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.440
with him and we're really feeling back the layers of

546
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:22.759
these situations.

547
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:24.440
It's really a matter.

548
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:26.240
Of you just don't like the you just don't like

549
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.599
their approach to give you the information. It's not that

550
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.519
these people were like they weren't even really disrespecting you.

551
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.440
They weren't staying in a way where it's like you

552
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:37.200
like you, you.

553
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:41.839
Know, slamming your name or trying to offend you.

554
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.440
Like none of that was happening. It really was. These

555
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:47.839
are just people who happen to be a little bit

556
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.759
more direct. They were very respectful. It's not even like

557
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.079
I said, it's not even like they were getting disrespected

558
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.920
or anything like that. So it's just really a matter

559
00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:00.599
of getting that. It all goes back to that self

560
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:05.440
discovery process. And I mean I don't talk to anybody

561
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:08.200
about things that I hadn't really done for myself because

562
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.440
the reason I understand how important this self discovery process

563
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:16.119
is is because of my own journey in terms of

564
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:20.319
my self discovery and my self assessment process. Because I

565
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.000
haven't always thought this way myself. It's not like it's

566
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:24.640
not a case where I was born in this way.

567
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:27.119
You go through your everybody kind of goes through their

568
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:31.680
own journey where you get to a point where you

569
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.759
have to confront this this you know, if you're not

570
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.319
satisfied with where you are in life, you have to

571
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.519
look inward and to see what's going on. Because I mean,

572
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.960
ultimately we are responsible for our own results.

573
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.519
And nobody else is going to ever care more than us.

574
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:54.839
So that's why it's it's very important that we as

575
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:58.960
individuals go through that self discovery, that self assessment process.

576
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:04.440
And there's a number of different tools that are out there.

577
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:06.920
But you really want to go through that process in

578
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.799
the preferences to have somebody walking.

579
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:10.680
You through that process.

580
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:14.279
Well, And you know, as you're talking, I'm smiling here

581
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:18.119
because you know, I think about relationships and as you

582
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:20.519
talk about you know, here's someone that's a straight shooter,

583
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.880
and here's someone that wants a little softer even in

584
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:27.720
personal relationships, you know, a marriage, whatever that happens to be.

585
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.920
So often we tend to be attracted to our offices.

586
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.359
So you have someone who's very much a straight shooter,

587
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:39.640
loving that quietness, that person that's a little bit more gentle,

588
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.000
and yet all of a sudden you get into life

589
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:46.680
and your communication and what was most important to you

590
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:51.240
now becomes the biggest challenge to you. And so how

591
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:54.480
important do you think it is for someone to be

592
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:57.640
able to say number one? And I think there's two

593
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:03.160
elements here. One, Hey, communication, you know, vance you're talking

594
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:06.160
to me and you tend to be that straight shooter,

595
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.240
and you know, I tend to be a little bit

596
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.960
more calm. Could when you talk to me understand that

597
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.400
this is just who I am. So as you're talking

598
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.000
to me, I appreciate your straight shootingness, but could you

599
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:20.920
just kind of make it a little bit more gentle

600
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.880
for me? And at the same time, on the other note,

601
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.759
I need to realize that, all right, you're a straight shooter.

602
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:30.400
So when you do that, just sit back and go, Okay,

603
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:32.319
this is just who he is. It has nothing to

604
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:35.799
do with me. So how do people go about doing

605
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:38.519
that in a way that they hit those two elements

606
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:43.440
so that the communication really begins to flourish and all

607
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.799
of a sudden you find a much better relationship in

608
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:48.440
business as well as in life.

609
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:51.119
No, And it's funny you say that, because as you

610
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.519
say that, I'm smally because I think about So.

611
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:55.079
I'm Mary.

612
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:59.279
I've been married little two years now, and prior to

613
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:03.200
my wife, I actually was in a long term relationship

614
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.720
where we were we were actually engaged, and the engagement

615
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:10.440
didn't work out, and after you know, we broke up,

616
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.800
it wasn't really like kind of mutually decided that it

617
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:15.719
wasn't that it didn't you know, we weren't when it

618
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:19.320
continue a relationship, But after we broke up and I

619
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.400
kind of go had that period of self assessment where

620
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:24.639
it's like, you know, just trying to figure.

621
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:27.559
Out what work, where you know, where she went wrong,

622
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.039
what I could have done better.

623
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:33.440
As I was looking at the things that just kind

624
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:37.800
of assessing the totality of the relationship with our recognize

625
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:39.719
is that so I'm a person that's kind of like

626
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:43.559
a soft like I have like a little softer approach,

627
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.239
but I also recognized that she.

628
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:47.519
Had a software approach.

629
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:52.960
So in reality there were conversations that we should have

630
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:57.239
been having that from time to time, we really were

631
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:59.800
avoiding and it's like, well, she's not gonna bring it up,

632
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.480
and she's probably like, he's not bringing it up, so

633
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.280
it's fine, But in reality it wasn't, which ended up

634
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:08.159
part of being part of the reason why we ended

635
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:12.880
up breaking up. And so with my wife, it's the

636
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.400
exact opposite where I have a softer like, kind of

637
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.360
like a softer, slow walking type of approach, but she

638
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:26.159
is a straight shooter and so me having that that

639
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:31.159
really puts me in a situation where she holds me accountable.

640
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.840
It's the accountability piece is great.

641
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:39.920
And then the other end of that is that given

642
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.760
that she is a straight shooter, there's times in situations

643
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:47.360
where she needs to soften her approach, and so me

644
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:52.519
having a softer approach, she's able to recognize situations where

645
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:56.280
she needs to be a little bit softer and maybe

646
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.159
she needs to kind of exercise some restraint. And so

647
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.559
it's like it's like a give and take, and so

648
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:07.480
me having that accountability, I'm able to more so I'm

649
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:11.679
more prepared to recognize, even outside of my relationship with

650
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:17.320
my wife, other situations, whether that be personally or professional league,

651
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:20.760
where I really do have to be have a more

652
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:24.079
direct approach based on the result that I want to get,

653
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:27.159
because sometimes when you don't have you have to be

654
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.559
direct otherwise people are going to walk all over you.

655
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:31.719
And then, like I said, on the other end, there

656
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:35.199
are situations where you might that softer approach is going

657
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.440
to come into play because you being a straight shooter,

658
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.039
you might end up offending somebody, or you might end

659
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:46.239
up saying something that somebody maybe because of their perspective,

660
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.400
it rubbed them the wrong way or they took it

661
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.239
out of context in terms of a way that you

662
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.039
didn't mean, but in reality, maybe you could have phrased

663
00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:59.480
it a little bit better or phrased it in a

664
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:03.119
different way. So it's very important like that that give

665
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:07.039
and take in that opposite those opposite ends. It's really

666
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.719
even that's been beneficial for even myself and my relationship.

667
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:13.039
Well, and you know, as a parent, I've got four

668
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:16.760
kids and we laugh about it now, we're all we

669
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.280
have good relationships, but we talk about how I'm you know,

670
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:23.760
as a parent, I was pretty much a straight shooter,

671
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:28.199
and initially I didn't understand all of this stuff, and

672
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:32.760
they would they sometimes felt really bad, really pushed really

673
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:34.840
all of that. And as we talk and laugh about

674
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.920
it now, we recognize that, hey, dad, that's just who

675
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:41.400
you were, and that's who you are. And quite frankly,

676
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.400
three of my children are more the soft approach and

677
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.679
I just have one son that's a straight shooter. And

678
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:50.960
so it was it was fun as we went through

679
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:55.280
behavioral management together and recognize that, Okay, this is how

680
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:58.000
we need to talk to each other and this is

681
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.480
also who we are. But I think one of the

682
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:04.119
key points, because we talked about personality evaluations and so forth,

683
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:07.960
realizing that, you know what, just because you do that,

684
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:12.119
that doesn't mean that's who you are stuck in Because

685
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.119
it's so important to realize that, Hey, if I'm if

686
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:19.800
I'm a straight shooter, I can learn to be more calm,

687
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.480
I can learn to be more quiet, I can approach

688
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:24.519
things in a different way. And I think as we

689
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:29.239
recognize that our strengths can become weaknesses if we take

690
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:33.880
it too far, our weaknesses can become strengths if we

691
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:36.440
learn to develop that right.

692
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:40.400
And it just gets back to just recognizing those situations

693
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:44.639
where you might have to adapt. So it's like, even

694
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:48.440
we're talking about relationship my wife, she's a woman, I'm

695
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:52.199
not going to talk to her in the same way

696
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:56.199
that I talk to my friends because my friends maybe

697
00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:59.960
we are you know, maybe we're joking in having you know,

698
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:05.559
maybe we're having a conversation about something, and I'm you know,

699
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:09.199
you know how sometimes we have a tendency with our

700
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:10.840
friends to kind of tread.

701
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:12.480
The line of offense.

702
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.920
Yeah, so I'm not going to Maybe it might be

703
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:21.920
in an instance where it might be some slight offense

704
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:23.880
on my friend where.

705
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:25.440
It's like we can just kind of brush it off

706
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:26.400
as men where it's like.

707
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:29.000
Hey, you know, I know he's joking, but I'm not

708
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.119
going to necessarily have that same approach from my wife

709
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:35.800
because I might say something in a joking manner, but

710
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:38.800
she might take it in a different in a different way.

711
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:44.480
But that's also that goes for many various relationships because

712
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:45.960
we all have.

713
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:50.840
Different perspectives, and so my perception.

714
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:54.199
Of what might be funny might not be somebody else's

715
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:57.360
perspective of the of what's funny. But what we have

716
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:00.840
to do is just recognize that it doesn't It doesn't

717
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:05.239
necessarily mean I'm right or that other person's wrong. It's

718
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.679
just a difference in perspective. So and but the other

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part of that is that I'm just of the belief

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that you can't. I don't really believe you can tell

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somebody whether or not they should be offended, because again,

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we don't share the same perspective about everything as well,

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so I might not agree with it might be something

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that I don't find is a big deal. I think

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that's a separate subject. But it just all comes to put.

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It comes comes into knowing who you are, and then

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the more you know who you are, the more.

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You're especially your strong relationships.

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You're able to identify what types of personalities you're dealing with,

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whether it's your children, whether it's your friends, whether it's

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your spouse. And then just really meet people where they are,

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because I think that that's the key. It's just understan

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the end in who you are, so you can meet

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people where they are well.

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And again, I think it goes to this whole concept

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of mindset, of awareness, of consciousness, and I think that's

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the key that people realize that, you know what, you

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just can't go through life unaware. You need to start

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to really think, you start to get some clarity. And

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as you do that, now you're on that step that

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we're talking about. So as we close, I'd like you

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to do two things. Number one, is there a message

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that you'd like to share with your audience? And then secondarily,

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how do people find you? And what are some of

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the things that if they go to your website are

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there there might be a value to them.

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Well, I just the message that I want to leave

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for people is to figure out what that thing is

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that you were born to do.

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Figure out what you were born to do.

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The link Great Males Maru as a saying which is

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one of our favorite phrases. In your job is what

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you're paid to do, but your work is what you

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were born to do. And sometimes the two might be intertwined,

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sometimes they might be separately. But fulfillment is in you

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being able to figure out what you were born to do,

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all right. Yes, And for those who are interested in

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looking in looking me up, it's simphony w w dot

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Vance Scooper dot com. Ww dot Vance Scooper dot com.

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That's where you can learn more about me if you

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want to have if you wanted to book a conversation,

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feel free to reach out to me via that channel.

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But that's really the easiest way to and then it's

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connected to my social media is and everything as well.

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So ww dot Vance Cooper dot com.

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And you mentioned do you have an ebook?

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Uh?

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What is that? Who would that be for?

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Yeah?

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So I have an ebook called Time for Success and

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U that is for anybody that is just looking for

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some simple strategies to be able to manage their time

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a little bit better.

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As as I said.

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Earlier in our conversation, I believe that one of the

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simplest fixes and easiest fixes that you can make is

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adjustments to your routine. And part of the reason that

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people feel so overwhelmed with routines and feel like they

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don't have enough time to accomplish things is because they

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had not looked at their daily habits. So that really

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just helps you. Just give you some practical steps to

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be able to look at your daily habits so you're

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able to develop a routine that really sets you up

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for success.

785
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Fantastic vance. Thanks so much. I've really enjoyed this conversation.

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I did as well. Thank you very much for having.

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Me really appreciate your insights and folks, thanks for listening.

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I hope there's some value that you've gotten from this.

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Look forward to having you join us again soon. But

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there's a doctor Duck saying not mistake

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And