Nov. 18, 2024

The Yielding Warrior

The Yielding Warrior

I am pleased to have Jeff Patterson on the show. Jeff has spent over the last 36 years studying and teaching meditative practices to help others with their physical, mental and emotional well being, as well as discovering the effective ways to...

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I am pleased to have Jeff Patterson on the show. Jeff has spent over the last 36 years studying and teaching meditative practices to help others with their physical, mental and emotional well being, as well as discovering the effective ways to meditate. He has written three books, the last which is called “The Yielding Warrior”.
And he share three main areas of focus for the individual: Meditation, Mindfulness, and Fluid Movement.

https://www.theyieldingwarrior.com/

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Denzel Washington, welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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to do the same.

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Jeff, welcome to the show.

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Hey, thanks for having me.

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Hey, I'm really excited have you on the show. I

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think the things that you're talking about are so fascinating

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and I think it will be such value for the

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audience as they listen and understand your perspective on this.

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What I'd love to ask you, though, is how did

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you get to this point? I'd love for you to

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share with the audience your story of what brought you

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to this point of awareness and obviously wanting to help

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other people. Yeah.

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So I've been involved in martial arts and the meditative

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arts now for about thirty six years, and I got

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introduced to the meditative practices in a bit of a

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roundabout way in that I was a nineteen year old kid.

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I wasn't looking at all into wanting to do meditation.

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In fact, when it first was presented to me, I

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was pretty far from wanting to do it. And at

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the time I was very much into Western boxing and

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I used to go to a boxing gym just a

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few blocks down the street here from my academy. And

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at a boxing gym, if you're not familiar with how

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they're run, usually it's not like your traditional fitness class

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in that you might have four or five coaches in

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the gym, and each one of those coaches has three,

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four or five fighters that they're working with at any

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one time. Well, at this particular gym, one of the

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coaches there was a very well known coach who had

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worked with national and world champion level fighters, and I

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really wanted to get to spend some time with him

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and have him help me with my boxing, and so

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I would show up every day when I knew he

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was going to be there, I'd work hard and try

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to get him to notice me and try to get

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him to spend some time with me. And after about

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three or four months of following him around, he finally

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started giving me some tips. And you know, every time

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he told me anything, I treated it like it was gold,

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and you know, I'd do the best I could to

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get it down and really put my effort into it. Well,

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it was only about maybe two or three weeks from

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working with him when he told me something that changed

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my life forever, and that he said, you know, if

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you really want to be a good boxer, you should

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start doing meditation in Taichi. And here I am, this

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nineteen year old kid that doesn't know much of anything, thinking,

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you know, isn't taichi for like older people in the park.

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How's that going to help me be a better fighter?

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And I had a lot of respect for him though,

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and I took on the practice and it's changed my

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life in many ways. And through the years. Running my

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academy now for thirty years, I've had over twenty six

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thousand students come through the academy, and I have literally

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heard hundreds of stories of how the meditative arts has

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positively influenced people's lives. And that's kind of what gives

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me the energy and the inspiration to, you know, write

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my last couple books and create my online program and

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just try to get this message out there and help

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as many people as I can.

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Well, And was there an aha moment that you know?

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Everybody kind of does their own thing, and there are

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times such as yourself, which I just so greatly honor.

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And that's one of the reasons you're on the show here,

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is you know, all of a sudden, you're maybe right

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when you were twenty, but wanting to really touch the

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lives of other people and make a difference for them.

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Was there an AHA moment for you? Or did it

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just kind of come naturally?

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You know, there was two things that kind of guided

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me in this direction, and one of them was something

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that that same coach said to me. And he told

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me when I was really young. He said, you want

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to create a life and not make a living. And

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at the time, I was the first kid in my

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whole extended family to go through college and I got

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two degrees in less than four years, and everybody thought

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I was going to go out and do something important

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and get a big job doing something. And I kept

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having in the back of my mind thinking about creating

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a life, and nothing I could think about with my

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degree made me feel like I was creating a life.

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I felt like I would be following making a living,

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and so I decided to follow the path of teaching

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the meditative and the martial arts, and that was kind

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of my first push towards this direction. And then later

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as I started running the academy. You know, we have

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our meditation program here where we do tai chi chi

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gung sitting, meditation, standing meditation, breath work. But then we

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also have external martial arts that we do like Brazilian

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jiu jitsu and boxing and Mui Thai, and so through

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the years there's been competitors that we train in jiu

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jitsu and Mui Thai, and it's always been fun to

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take them out and have them do well, and it

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feels good, you know, to put your time and energy

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into somebody and have them be successful. But what I

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found is is that through working with the students coming

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in through the meditation program, is that they're coming in

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with illnesses and stress disorders and panic attacks, anxiety attacks,

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even thoughts of committing suicide, and they use this practice

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to transform their lives. And I've seen so many people

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come in and adapt these principles and seeing this, you know,

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these life changing benefits and things that they get from

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adopting this practice, and seeing those is what's really fueled

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me and given me the energy to like just really

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want to one be the best teacher I can be,

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which is why I've spent you know, my whole career

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traveling around the world, studying with teachers all over the

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planet and trying to be as educated on the subject

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as I can, but all so following this path and

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trying to help as many people as I can.

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Well, and I know you mentioned on your website that

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you know, you really have appreciated the Eastern tradition and philosophy,

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and I assume that part of your travels brought you

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to Asia and where you really got that, and talk

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a little bit about that and how does how does

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that differ in your opinion from what you experience in

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the US, and what what's the difference and what's it?

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How's it affecting people one way or the other.

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Well, you know, there's a there's a lot of differences

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in the culture as far as the methods in the

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meditative and martial arts, because a lot of that comes

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from the Eastern culture. A lot of that is ingrained

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into the meditative and martial arts here in the States

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as well. It kind of it just depends on the

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source and the teacher that it came from as to

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far as you know. And the funny thing is is

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something that you wouldn't really expect, but you know, some

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of the most advanced teachers I've ever met are from

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the States, you know. And and it's since information is

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so easily attainable now, you get people that are able

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to travel all around and train with different teachers. And

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a lot of times, what I found is in some

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areas that people kind of do it more as a

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hobby and less as like a career or something where

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it's kind of their life's mission to go in and

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really dive into it. And so when you find those teachers,

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it's it's a blessing and a rarity. You know, there's

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not there's not as many of them out there, and

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so I think when you get to that level of

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a practitioner. It doesn't really matter what part of the

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world you're in. They're just you're just lucky to find

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that person.

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Well. And as you talk about martial arts, and obviously

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for you this all integrates together with martial arts and

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meditation and so forth. But for many that are listening,

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I'm sure today they're not into martial arts. And so

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do you find that these principles can be separated from

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the actual practice of martial arts and still be incredibly

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effective for people in their lives?

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For sure? You know, and most of my students who

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do our meditation program aren't into the martial arts as well,

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you know. And you don't have to be in the

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martial arts to benefit from meditation, you know. Within the

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meditative arts, I kind of break it down into five categories,

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where you have the athletic side, which teaches you awareness

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and timing and the ability to relax and focus and

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to be a better athlete. Then you have the therapeutics side,

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which is great for balance and stability, flexibility, strength, dealing

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through injuries. You have the medical side, which you know,

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all of Chinese medicine is based off of chigunk theory.

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You have the philosophical side, and then you also have

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the spiritual side. And so people are drawn to the

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meditative arts for any one of kind of those five directions.

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And you know it's you. We have people coming in

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here to the Academy that fit all five of those categories,

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and you would adopt different practices for each of them,

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and it can be very effective without having the martial

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artss of backing.

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Okay, And I know again I've enjoyed your website as

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I went to look at it. One of the things

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you actually talk about is three areas meditation, mindfulness, and

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fluid movement. And I appreciate what you're talking about there,

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and you kind of explained to the audience what you

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mean by that and how it all integrates together. I

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know you've mentioned it a little bit, but let's get

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into it a little bit deeper.

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Yeah, So when I talk about meditation, there's you know,

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a lot of people think of meditation as sitting there

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and counting your breaths and trying to acquiet your mind,

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you know, And while that is meditation, I look at

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the meditative arts as a pool of different tools that

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we can use and it can involve many different sitting

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and energetic practices, to standing meditation, to movement meditation through

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chigung or tai chi or yoga practices, all of these

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could be what I would call different sources for developing

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a ritual practice. And a ritual practice is kind of

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like the core of any meditation practice, and it's that

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time when you set a little bit of time aside

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every day, and maybe it's twenty minutes, it's maybe it's

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an hour or whatever that is for you, and you

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do your meditation, and it's meant to be a time

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where you turn off all the screens, you turn off

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all the audios, and you can just turn your focus inward.

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You know, one of the things where I see a

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lot of people getting distracted these days is you know,

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there's a million videos out there on YouTube, and you

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know all these different audio programs and apps that you

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can get that teach you meditation. And while all of

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those can be a good source in a way to

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learn specific practices, and some of them a lot more

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than others, but where people get I think misguided, is

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that they substitute their ritual time every day to listen

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to an audio or watch a video and they use

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that thinking that that's their meditation time, when really that

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hinders their progress, because you know, the meditative arts are

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often referred to as the internal arts, and they're called

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that for a reason. The internal arts means it's a

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time that we can turn our focus inward and listen

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to our thoughts, listen to our physiology and our body

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and how things are moving. And if we're focusing on

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an audio program or looking at a video, we're really

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arts is meant to be a way of life and

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a lot less of a hobby that we do once

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regulating without regulating, and that's where we really try to

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get to the heart of what meditation is a meditation

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lifestyle is all about. And then lastly, we have like

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the philosophical style of practices, and these can be integrated

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in the active and the ritual based practices. And so

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when you can combine these three different pillars and create

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an evolving life practice around the meditative arts, you can

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really get a lot of benefits from it.

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Well, and you know the latest book that you've written,

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and right now it's free on your It's a free download,

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isn't it on your website? Yeah?

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and we'll send you out a free physical copy if

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you just pay for shipping and handling.

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Great. So why why the name? Why the name? And

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are trying to write books or we know people that are.

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to figure out. And yet here's your title, the Yielding

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Warrior that that's almost contradicts itself in some ways. So

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I'd love for you to share with the audience what's

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it about number one and why that title.

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So Yielding is a concept in the meditative and martial

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arts that's been around for generations, and it's something that

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I've always been really passionate about, and I love the

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concept in the idea, which is what inspired me to

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write that book. And in the book, I've broken down

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yielding into three kind of pillars of practice. You have

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physical yielding, mental yielding, and emotional yielding. Physical yielding is

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the easiest one to understand. It's the idea that I

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push you, you push me. Whoever's the bigger, stronger person

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with the most leverage eventually is going to push the

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other person over, but with yielding. Instead of us trying

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to see who the bigger meat heead is. When you

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push me, I get out of the way of that force,

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and now I can respond with less effort, so I'm

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not trying to butt heads with you and see if

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I'm bigger and stronger than you. Now, in athletics, it's

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obvious how this is beneficial, because you can't choose who

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learning how to yield and redirect their force so you

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don't have to butt heads with them can help you

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win and get the advantage on people that are bigger

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and takes many years to master the skill. However, right

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you start seeing all these things more clearly inside your body.

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have to be well rooted. The lower part of your

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body needs to be strong and flexible so you can

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change your central equilibrium without getting tight. The body has

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to be relaxed, the breath has to be calm, and

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the mind has to be present. Now, again, this can

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be very complicated, but when you start seeing these things

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inside yourself, you also start seeing these things more clearly

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in other people. And this is where it really starts

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to get interesting and where we start to move into

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what I call mental yielding. So say, for example, you

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and I are having a conversation, I say something that

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that first sign of imbalance. It's a lot easier to

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than if I'm not paying attention to that, and pretty

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soon I'm so far off track you want to slap

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yielding in all of your interactions is an extremely powerful

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tool in that one we're being more considerate, which is

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something we should all do anyway. And two it allows

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us to be strategic and guide conversations to a positive

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outcome with the least amount of resistance. And this is

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great in relationships and business and sales and negotiations, and

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there's so many different ways that you can apply this.

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with your own interpersonal conflicts. So you think about oftentimes

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something will happen to us and we'll respond, and we'll

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go down this path, and we might get an hour

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a day a week down that road and realize maybe

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that wasn't the best choice. But by adapting a meditation

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practice into our life and increasing that awareness and being

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able to be more present, we're often able to step

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back and analyze the scenario and make more educated choices

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that save us a lot of heartache on the other side.

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And you know, I've been explaining this idea of yielding

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now for many years here running the academy here for

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thirty years, and one of the most common things I'll

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hear people say is, ah, that makes a lot of sense.

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I would agree, I think everybody does some degree of

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yielding all the time, whether they recognize it or not.

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It's kind of like if you or I were to

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walk into a crime scene with a detective who's been

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on the job for thirty years, I guarantee you that

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person would see things about the series of events and

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the timeline that I know at least I would have

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no clue of. And the meditative arts helps us see

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things inside of ourselves and inside of other people that

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I believe you will never have any clue of without

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adopting some kind of a meditation practice into your life.

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Well, And you know, It's interesting as you talk about

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yielding and that personal yielding, you know, and I like

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how you kind of talked about the two things. As

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you're in a conversation with me, let's say, and you're

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going into a direction that you are obviously aware that

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is starting to affect me, perhaps in a negative way,

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if I'm understanding it correctly, You're you're taking the responsibility

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of yielding to change that just a little bit so

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that I'm not being triggered type of thing. The other

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thing that I think is fascinating is me my responsibility.

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or you know, whatever that is, if I can get

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to the point where I just accept your communication without

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any emotion, without any triggering, all of a sudden, I'm

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no longer being affected by the external world. And isn't

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that something that we're seeing right now, particularly in the US,

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there is such anger, there is such conflict going on,

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fact that here here's so many people rather than learning

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to yield, than to accept without trigger an emotion or

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able just to say, oh, I understand that's your point

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of view and not get angry about it.

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little bit every day, the world would be a better place,

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you know, and people would have that sensitivity and that

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awareness and that presence state of mind to be able

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to really listen. You know, it's all so common where

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people are in a conversation and you know there's somebody

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saying something to you and you're just thinking about all

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the things you want to say, not even really listening

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to that person. And being able to be truly present

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allows you to be more strategic in your responses, so

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you can guide things to a positive outcome for both people,

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rather than having that resistance and just trying to force

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your opinion on somebody, because even if you're right and

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you do that, you're going to leave them feeling like,

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oh man, that guy was such a jerk. He just

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kind of like forced his way on me. And you know,

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whereas if we could learn how to be a little

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bit more in tune and a little bit more strategic

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on how we present things, we can leave everybody feeling better.

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enemies your friends, but without yielding, many times you make

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your friends your enemies. And it's so true, and that

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having that awareness and that sensitivity, I think is really

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valuable and as you said, needed in today's society because

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there is so much negative polls this way and that way,

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and people not seeing eye to eye, and I think

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if people could just listen a little bit better and

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realize that there's so many commonalities that we can find

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a path of least resistance and help everybody get a

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lot more of what they want with a lot less struggle.

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earlier on and it fascinates me about meditation and how

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that literally can affect our help. And you know, as

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I'm sure you have seen, and certainly as I have

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seen and read and watched and so forth, how people

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literally through meditation are able to heal some very specialefic

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type of illnesses and challenges that they experience physically in

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their body. What's been your experience with that and any

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stories that you can share where you've actually seen someone

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who has gone through this meditative program that you have

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and where they've literally been able to experience that healing

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in their body.

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that's one of the things that is making me so

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passionate about the practice, and that, you know, a lot

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of what we do is affected by our thoughts, and

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when we can control our thoughts and lead things and

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not get distracted, you know, and be down that negative path.

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You know, I read somewhere that the average person thinks

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anywhere between seventy to ninety thousand thoughts a day. Eighty

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five percent of those thoughts are the same thoughts we

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had the day before, and eighty to ninety percent of

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those thoughts every day are tending on the negative side.

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emotions and our mental struggle, and we're thinking all of

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these negative energies, it's really hard to let that positivity

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comes out and that you know, that's expressed in our

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cells and our body, that's expressed in how we present

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ourselves and how we hold our posture. And you know,

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in any meditation practice, we have what we call the

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five regulations, and learning how to build these foundations in

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these five regulations helps us with you know, numerous different

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kinds of healing through you know, whatever path that you're

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following with the practice, and they are regulating the body,

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regulating the breath, regulating the mind, regulating the energy, and

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regulating the spirit. Briefly, I'll kind of touch base on

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what those are. So when we talk about regulating the body,

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it's basically your skeletal alignment and your muscular tension and

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learning how to regulate that in all of your activities

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every day. And you know, you can think about maybe

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a time when you're sitting down at your computer and

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you've been there three or four hours, maybe your shoulders

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around at forward and you're feeling a little bit lethargic,

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maybe your next getting stiff and just feeling very depleted.

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world walks in the room and your body perks up

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and you feel like you're on top of the world. Well,

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we're in control of these two different energies one hundred

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percent of the time, every day, all day, and it's

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your choice on how you choose to present yourself. And

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so when we start learning how to regulate our movement

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and our activity and our physical output, we can adjust

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our energy physically, mentally, and emotionally. In everything we do,

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then we have regulating the breath. Regulating the breath is

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a very deep practice and something that if you take

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on the meditative arts, you'll be studying for the rest

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of your life. Oftentimes, Cheegung is referred to as the

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science of the breath because there's literally hundreds of different

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breeding strategies, and because of this, we kind of broadly

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categorize them into the Yend methods and Young methods. Yen

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methods are often deeper, more holistic style of meditations. An

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example of a Yen breath would be if you ever

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listen to somebody's sleep, their natural breathing pattern is a

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longer in hell and a shorter exhale, and this is

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the body's natural way of bringing your conscious mind into

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your subconscious mind, which is where we are when we're

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sleeping and dreaming. And so if we want to emulate

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this style of energy and meditation, we can do longer

467
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:02.440
in in hell, maybe soft retentions at the end of

468
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:05.839
the in hell, and this helps bring that energy inward,

469
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:09.440
which is great for stress reduction, for dealing with anxiety,

470
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.880
panic attacks, for boosting your creativity. I mean there's a

471
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.839
lot of reasons why we would do this. Then we

472
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.960
have the young side of the practice, which is more aggressive.

473
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.559
It's like if you've ever had to push your car,

474
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:24.839
you pick up something heavy, your natural instinct is to

475
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:28.000
make tension in the breath, make it audible exhale, and

476
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:32.759
that helps generate and expand the energy. And another way

477
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:34.799
you could kind of think about this, and something that

478
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:37.839
we do all the time is if you ever listen

479
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:40.960
to somebody cry or they start feeling a little bit depressed,

480
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:46.799
they'll naturally they'll inhale longer than the exhale, which brings

481
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.839
that energy inward, which makes you get cool. And if

482
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:51.680
you do this for a long time and you get

483
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:54.920
fairly depressed, it can make you sick. Then on the

484
00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:57.480
flip side of that, we have the young side of

485
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:02.240
the breath. If we're laughing aha, we're doing more exhale.

486
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:05.440
We're extending that energy outward and it makes us get

487
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:07.880
warm and we start to sweat if we laugh a lot.

488
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:11.240
And so you know, in Chinese philosophy they call this

489
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.759
balancing the conon lee and it's the idea of using

490
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:20.240
the breath as a strategy to control our energetic states.

491
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:23.640
You know, everybody goes through the day with emotional ups

492
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:27.079
and downs. Some people are like a roller coaster, others

493
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:30.119
may be a little bit more balanced. But when you

494
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:33.960
start learning how to use the breath as a strategy,

495
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.400
and you see yourself starting to get excited, we can

496
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:39.920
use the breath to bring you back down. And when

497
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.720
you see yourself starting to feel depleted, we can use

498
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:45.319
the young breath to help bring you back up. And

499
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:49.079
so having this as a tool and our toolbox can

500
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:53.880
really help keep our physical, mental, and emotional states a

501
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.960
little bit more settled throughout the day. The next regulation

502
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.720
is regulating the mind. Again, regulating the mind is another

503
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:05.119
one of those things that is a lifelong practice. And

504
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:07.920
you know, one of the most common things I'll hear

505
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.519
people say in regards to meditation is that I tried meditation,

506
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.759
but it just didn't work for me. I couldn't quiet

507
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.720
my mind. And you know, somewhere along the way, people

508
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:23.440
got this misconception that in order to be successful with meditation,

509
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:26.240
you have to let all your thoughts go away and

510
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.079
you can't think about anything. And I don't know why,

511
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:34.839
but because of this, you feel like you're failing. When

512
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:37.920
that's part of the practice. You know, I've traveled around

513
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.119
the world many times, training with a lot of great

514
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.480
meditation teachers, and I have never once met anybody who

515
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.799
doesn't get distracted. You know, we're human. Everybody gets distracted.

516
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:54.359
And so the idea when we're meditating is that maybe

517
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:58.519
you're sitting for twenty minutes and you recognize the imbalance

518
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:01.240
or the distraction and you bring yourself back to center.

519
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:04.759
If you do that fifty times during your session, and

520
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.000
you do that all day, every week, every month, you

521
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:12.599
start to develop this awareness of these imbalances and this

522
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:17.480
ability to bring yourself back to a balanced state under

523
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:22.200
almost any kind of situation. Now, if somebody says something

524
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:24.119
to throw you off your game, or you have a

525
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:27.359
stressful day at work or whatever it is, you have

526
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.759
the tools to help find that balance. You know. There's

527
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.920
this story that I really like about these two older

528
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:38.160
monks and they're walking down a dirt road after a

529
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:42.559
big rainstorm. There's mud and puddles everywhere, and they come

530
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:45.079
up to this huge puddle and on the other side

531
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.680
of the puddles this beautiful little girl standing there in

532
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:50.960
a white dress, and she's crying, and the older monky

533
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:54.400
yells across the puddle and says, is everything okay? Can

534
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:57.680
we help you? And she says, I need to be somewhere,

535
00:31:57.720 --> 00:31:59.559
but if I walk across this puddle, I'm going to

536
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.160
get my dress us all dirty. So he rolls up

537
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:04.359
his pant legs and he walks across the puddle and

538
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.960
picks her up, puts her on his back, takes her

539
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.599
to the other side, sets her down, and she's off

540
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:12.359
on our way. Well, him and the younger monk are

541
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.279
walking a couple miles down the road, and finally the

542
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:18.839
younger monk is just furious and he says, you know,

543
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:21.319
we're not supposed to touch girls, but yet you did

544
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.079
back there at the puddle. And the older monk says,

545
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.240
you're still thinking about that girl I left her back

546
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:30.200
there at the puddle, you know. And how many times

547
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.039
in life do we have to get two miles down

548
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:36.039
the muddy road before we choose to let things go.

549
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:40.480
And so this ability to recognize these imbalances before it

550
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:44.240
gets too far down the road is a real valuable

551
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.839
tool in this practice and takes a lot of that

552
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.720
negativity that we struggle with on our minds all the

553
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.920
time out of the picture. And helps us stay more

554
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:58.720
positive and focused. Then we have regulating the energy. Regulating

555
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:02.440
the energy is an extremely deep topic and something that

556
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:06.519
we could talk about for hours, but briefly, i'll kind

557
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.920
of explain what that is. And once you have got

558
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.680
to a competent level of regulating the body, the breath,

559
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:17.799
and the mind, you have the tools to regulate the

560
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:21.279
energetic circulation and the body, and we can circulate this

561
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.759
energy for different outcomes, bringing the energy inward, extending it outward.

562
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.359
There's lots of different things that we'll do with this

563
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.920
and some of the more advanced practition practices that we'll

564
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:36.759
do with meditation. Lastly, we have regulating the spirit. And

565
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.799
regulating the spirit is a very profound idea, something that

566
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:46.200
monks and meditation masters will spend their entire life working

567
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:50.839
towards that stage of enlightenment. But these basic five pillars

568
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:54.960
are the fundamental basics of any meditation practice that you

569
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:59.279
will ever do. And by integrating these and understanding these,

570
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:02.720
you can see that it can affect every area of

571
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.079
your life and you can really get a lot of

572
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:05.880
benefits from it.

573
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.880
Let's talk about the energy for just a moment, and

574
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:12.840
one of the questions I have for you when I meditate,

575
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:16.760
and I do every day. So my meditation practice is

576
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:21.639
walking meditation, and I try to walk, you know, for

577
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:27.320
an hour five you know, kilometers each morning and as

578
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:29.840
I'm listening, and I actually like to listen to some

579
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:36.840
very specific meditative music with different frequencies and energies. And

580
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.880
then what I've also found, and I want your opinion

581
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:44.079
on this based on your experience, is that you know,

582
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.840
there's one thing to try to just as you say,

583
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.360
is a struggle to get all those thoughts out of

584
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:53.400
your mind. But also what I've found is there's a

585
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:59.920
way to actually verbally talk about affirmations of what you're

586
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.960
trying to accomplish in that meditative practice. And I found

587
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.639
that as I do that, it's just amazing. Number One,

588
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:10.239
the time goes by so fast, it's like I just started,

589
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:15.840
an hour's gone by. But what about affirmations? What are

590
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.519
your thoughts about affirmations? And number one, but number two,

591
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.719
where's that energy coming from? And how do people understand

592
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:30.360
that literally there is a universal energy out there that

593
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:33.360
if we can tap into it and allow it, as

594
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:39.639
you say, to literally engulf our body, that it literally

595
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.039
has the ability to heal.

596
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.800
Yeah, So in Chiegung we talk about kind of the

597
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.119
three main energies. We have the universal energy that you know,

598
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:56.679
the Sun and the moon and the energetic pole of

599
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.360
the stars and the solar system. And then we have

600
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:03.360
the Earth energy, you know, the weather. We have the

601
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:05.960
the shifting of the tides and the and the ocean,

602
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.280
the movement of the wind, everything that's coming around. And

603
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:12.119
then we have the human or the animal animal energy.

604
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:17.559
And when you're doing a practice and you're really getting

605
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:22.599
into a meditative journey, you start to become more sensitive

606
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.440
of that and be aware of those other energies and

607
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:30.239
it's almost like you can you can sense them or

608
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.920
feel them, or be more in tune and you know

609
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:36.320
there's something you know you ever like in the And

610
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:43.679
this happens in areas where there's tsunamis or big things

611
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.400
that come up similar to that, where the animals will

612
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:49.760
know it two or three hours before it gets there

613
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.079
and they'll all go run up the mountain and hide

614
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.039
or whatever, and they'll sense these things. And they have

615
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:59.159
that sensitivity because I think they're more connected to that

616
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:03.039
Earth and you universal energy than we are. And by

617
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:07.599
doing meditation, we start to tap into that and expand

618
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:13.519
that awareness with with the practice. And I think when

619
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:16.159
we become more in tune with that and we can

620
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:19.719
settle down and be present, you know, And that's what

621
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.599
I said, you know, when you're when you're doing those practices,

622
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:25.400
you know, the meditative arts is often referred to as

623
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.280
the internal arts, is we want to really bring that

624
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:37.639
in and be able to be sensitive to what we

625
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:41.519
feel around us. But at the same time, it's almost

626
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:45.559
as if we're in a dance with that energy and

627
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:49.400
we're trying to connect to it with the energy and

628
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.920
our body. And when we can find that dance and

629
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.880
we can find that connection and be at peace, we

630
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:58.800
can really see some amazing things. You know, you talk

631
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:01.440
about when you practice, sometimes it feels like an hour

632
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:04.239
goes by and it's you know, it's really quick. You know,

633
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:06.679
it does that a lot when you're in those deeper

634
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.760
states of meditation, and you kind of feel that time

635
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:13.599
sometimes goes by very quick because we're so present and

636
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:16.119
in the moment. And that's one of the you know,

637
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:18.360
the really cool things about the practice.

638
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.679
And then as I talk about the affirmations, and I

639
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.920
know that there's you know, that's a contradictory type of thing.

640
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.320
Some people say, yeah, you shouldn't be doing that. Others

641
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:33.559
talk about how valuable that can be because we're literally

642
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:38.360
then taking responsibility for our lives, for our you know,

643
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.440
everything that's going on, for our healing, for our bodies

644
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:46.039
and so forth. Do you find that there are times

645
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:50.360
that and and when we talk about mindfulness, there there

646
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.960
there is that mindfulness. So it all of a sudden

647
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:57.159
our focus is on those positive things that we're wanting

648
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:01.159
to accomplish in our lives or in health or whatever

649
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:06.079
that happens to be. And those verbal affirmations that, in

650
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:10.440
my case I speak them out loud, actually make a

651
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:14.360
difference and literally start guiding us towards that path. What

652
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:15.679
are your thoughts on that?

653
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:20.880
Yeah, you know, I would agree. I use affirmations myself.

654
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.880
I think they're very valuable. I think the kind of

655
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:28.679
intent that you put behind them makes a big difference.

656
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:36.360
You know, if you're in a deep state of contemplation

657
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:40.079
and you've been meditating and you're in that peaceful state

658
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:44.000
where you're really connected and you start thinking about these things,

659
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:47.280
I think they have a lot more meaning than when

660
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:52.000
you're driving in your car and going through traffic and downtown. Now,

661
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.199
I still think there's probably some benefit to that, because

662
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.320
you're trying to put those thoughts a positive thoughts, whether

663
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:00.599
you're speaking them out loud or going through them in

664
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.199
your mind. And you know, a lot of I've had

665
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.119
a few teachers of the past who have had me

666
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:13.000
work on memorize different sayings and different thoughts to help

667
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:16.320
kind of train and program my mind to think certain ways.

668
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:20.239
And one of the practices that I did for twelve

669
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:24.480
years was I memorized the Dowdy Ching, which is eighty

670
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:28.440
one sayings of a pretty well known book on virtue

671
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:31.599
and philosophy. And I would go through those eighty one

672
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:36.400
sayings in my head every single day, and I think

673
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.960
I learned a ton from that practice. And you know,

674
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:42.519
I think that there's there's a lot of benefit to

675
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.039
be said from from those kinds of practices.

676
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:51.000
And overall, when when we when we look at this,

677
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:55.920
what what other benefits have you observed with your with

678
00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.760
your clients beyond just the pain management at the health

679
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.599
management I know you talk a little bit about sleeping.

680
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:09.320
What have you found and how does someone who's struggling

681
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.639
with you know, getting good sleep at night? How does

682
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:15.440
this help them to be able to do that, because

683
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.039
I know there's a lot of people out there that

684
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:18.679
just never get the sleep they need.

685
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:24.239
Yeah, you know, there's been hundreds of stories of how

686
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:29.159
people have benefited through through these practices, you know. I

687
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.360
think one of the most important ones is seeing their

688
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:33.280
spirit change.

689
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:33.960
You know.

690
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:40.360
If somebody has a negative self talk or a negative

691
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.840
view of themselves and they take on this practice and

692
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:48.639
see the world through a different lens, that is pretty special,

693
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:50.679
you know, and I think a lot of healing comes

694
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:54.280
from that, just by being able to have that kind

695
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:58.760
of positive view, you know. And when anybody's thinking about

696
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.880
you know, you ask about sleep. I think that part

697
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:08.000
of it comes from being able to have a consistent

698
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:13.480
practice where we learn to control our thoughts and we

699
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:17.119
learn to recognize these imbalances, because you know, most of

700
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.159
the time, when you're laying down and you're having trouble sleeping,

701
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.480
your mind is racing and you're thinking about this problem

702
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:25.559
or this thing you have to do, or one thing's

703
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:29.360
leading to another, and it's just hard to quiet the mind. Well,

704
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:33.840
by integrating meditation into your life, you start to build

705
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:38.960
that resiliency and that control to be able to take

706
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:42.800
those distractions from taking you off on an hour track

707
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down to ten seconds. You know, you recognize the imbalance,

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you know, I always tell people, you know, think about

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you're standing up on the mountain side and you drop

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a pebble. It's easy to bend over and pick up

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the pedbal but if it starts rolling down the hill

712
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and creates the landslide, it's a lot harder to stop

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the landslide. So being able to recognize these and balances

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when they first happen is the key. And you know,

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no matter why you're drawn to the practice with meditation,

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the most important thing is, you know, I always tell

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new people there's three things that you really have to

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consider and spend some time thinking about in order to

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be successful. And you know that's for me as a teacher,

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my biggest struggle has been to try to get new

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students to see the value in investing the time in

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this practice so it can change their life. Because usually

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when people come to the practice, they're very undisciplined. They

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don't thinking about doing something every day. That's like crazy

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for most people. You know, getting them to do it

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once a week is difficult sometimes, and so I always

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have them do three things And the first thing is

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why do you want to take on this practice? What

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is important to you? Do you want to stay healthy

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and to your later years and watch your grandkids grow

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up and stay mobile and flexible and healthy. Do you

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want to deal with stress disorders and learn how to

733
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overcome anxiety and panic attacks? Do you want to improve

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your performance on the field? I mean, what is it

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that really gets you going and motivates you? Because we're

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all going to face it where I don't know if

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it's tomorrow, next week, or next month, where that alarms

738
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going to go off and you're going to be, ah,

739
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I'll hit this snooze button. I'll just meditate tomorrow. And

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if you have a strong reason to do this practice,

741
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now it's like the alarm's off. I get to get

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up and do my practice. So instead of looking at

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it like a chore, now you look at it as

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something that you get to do because you get all

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these amazing benefits from it. And when you can shape

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make that mindset shift, that's where you really start seeing

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all the benefits. And that comes through consistency. You know,

748
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you have to have that consistent effort, and through consistency

749
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we develop that discipline that integrity, that perseverance, and these

750
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qualities that we get from this practice feed over into

751
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every area of our lives, our relationships, our hobby or work,

752
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whatever it is. And then lastly, and this is probably

753
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one of the more important ones, is you want to

754
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find a guide because meditation, you know, I've been studying

755
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for thirty six years and I'm still just a student

756
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:32.480
learning all the time. It's a very deep practice, and

757
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:35.719
there's so many videos and apps out there that you

758
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.920
could get distracted and turning your wills on and listening

759
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to these things or watching these things for years. And

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I've literally seen it happen where I've had students come

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into the academy that have been self taught and they've

762
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been doing this for fifteen twenty years, and they'll see

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somebody who's been guided and having a focused approach to

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their practice and only been here a year and very

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very very much further along in their game. And so,

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you know, life is short, your time is valuable. Find

767
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somebody to help point you in the right direction, and

768
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you can really accomplish a lot a short amount of time.

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And I guarantee you if you take on the practice,

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it'll be one of the best things you've ever done.

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Oh, and that's you know. I love that message, and

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I think that's a message for the audience. And I'm

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actually going to use that as a short reel because

774
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I love what you say there. So we're out of time,

775
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which which just amazes me again. You know you talk

776
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about meditation and time goes byfastly. Well, we've been meditating

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for forty five minutes here, and I love it so

778
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real quickly. How does the audience find you and how

779
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do they find your book and how are they able

780
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to reach out to you?

781
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:52.840
Yeah, if you just go to the Yieldingwarrior dot com,

782
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you can get access to my online program, my teacher

783
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.480
training program, and if you'd like to order a free

784
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:03.719
copy of my physical copy of my book, you could

785
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.840
go to the Yieldingwarrior dot com forward slash Book and

786
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.639
just pay for shipping and handling and get a copy

787
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:10.840
of that.

788
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Oh that's great, Jeff. This has been fascinating and so insightful.

789
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I love it that you've been able over the years

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to develop this philosophy and share it with others, and

791
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I think that that's probably made such a difference in

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people's lives. So thank you so much. I acknowledge what

793
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you're doing well.

794
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Thank you for having me well.

795
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I appreciate it, and folks, thanks for listening. Go to

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the website. I guarantee you those insights that you'll get

797
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from the book will be incredible in your life and

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will make a difference. So this is doctor Doug saying,

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I'm a stay