The Ultimate Path to Forgiveness: Unlocking Your Power

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0:44 Denzel Washington, Welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to do the same. Catherine, and welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it. Hey, I'm really excited to hear what you have to say today. I think that the topic about forgiveness is something that not a lot of people. I mean, everyone talks about it to sub degree or another, but not everyone really understands the importance of it. But what I find interesting and I want you to share with the audience number one, who you are and what was your journey? How did you get to this point where you're focusing on forgiveness writing your book, and you've read a few books, I think, but writing this particular book and doing what you're doing, you.

1:29 Can't know forgiveness and peace without contrast. And my life has had quite a lot of contrast. There's a lot of water under the bridge. It probably started in nineteen cent never mind what year it was. I don't think we need to go there, but let's just say it was decades ago. When I was in the eighth grade. My parents were very pickled people and being they were both outraging alcoholics, and I was getting horribly bullied in school because I was different and as and then they got it, we're getting a divorce. So as a result, in the year nineteen seventy five, nineteen seventy four, there we go. I tried to commit suicide because I just thought, you know, I just can't take it anymore, and a friend talked me out of it, and I turned into one of those kids, you know, those teenagers that are kind of draped in black. They have one friend they're they're always sick, and they're always kind of angry. I was angry, and I kind of just floated through life until my mother. When I was in my twenties. My mother fell down the stairs, broke her hip, and ended up in the hospital. And even my mother couldn't get a genentonic in the hospital, so she dried out and we sent her to rehab and I spent the next three years with my mother, and we were as close as sisters. We forgave each other, we traveled, we were inseparable.

2:44 And then she died of breast cancer, a disease that I got many years later. I'm a breast cancer survivor, and I realized when she died that if I didn't change, I would die too. I mean, it was just so clear. So I've now been sober for thirty four years, and I got my act together, got married, been married thirty three years. Doesn't take much to figure that math out. Wow, and over the I over the years, I you know, I'm one of the founders of the concierge industry and all these things. But I lost the anger because I really just started to forgive. But here's the deal. Everybody tells you to forgive. Your parents, your teachers, everybody, nobody teaches you how you know that? And what if you don't want to? Then what do you do? So the system I created, and there's a secret sauce to the method, but it's a step by step method that teaches people exactly how to forgive. And once I started to forgive people my my entire life just opened up. Even before I knew the system, it started to open up. Well.

3:47 And you know, it's so interesting. You've used some words there that I think were so true to me. The anger. Now you didn't use frustration, but that's something else. And what what have you found? I mean, you're your own experience is so personal, but what have you found in general? For people that are not able to forgive? How does that affect their lives? Let me show you a visual that'll explain the entire thing for anybody listening. I'm about to hold an opaque coffee cup right in front of my face. So this coffee cup is my anger, it's my bitterness, it's my resentment. And when I first get angry, look at my body language. I can hold it right off to the side. This is easy. I can manage my anger. I can hold it off to this side. I could conduct my life, look at my body language, and I could talk. We could have dinner, I could go to work. The longer I hold on to this cup, the more stuff, the more anger I'm going to pour into it. And eventually, now I've got two hands holding up the cup. Well, I could still kind of hold it off to the side, but it's starting to affect my conversations. It's starting to get into my head. I'm starting to think about it and more because I'm in pain, and it's very hard to focus on your general life if you're in pain.

5:01 And if I continue to hold on to it, eventually it's going to get so heavy. Now it's all I can think of. The cups right in front of my face. I can't even see you anymore. All I can do is focus on the anger. I'm talking about it, I'm breathing it. My friends are going down, he goes. Who wants to be with me? I'm sick and tired and angry all the time, and it's always in my conversations. So the system is designed to put the glass down now that when you can put the glass down, now, look at my body language. Now I can pay attention again. That's what forgiveness does. I can see that new money making opportunity. I can see that new beautiful significant other coming into my life. Why didn't I see it before because I was too focused on the anger. It was all I could see. Well, one reason, that's one way forgiveness is going to change your life. And I guarantee you it's like the law of gravity. The law of gravity will work whether you believe it or not. And I have a bunch of science so we can talk about to back up everything I'm saying. But the law of forgiveness is the same. This stuff is serious science and it's going to work whether you believe it or not.

6:03 All right, So we're just over an election. And if you take the time to listen to the news, listen to some podcasts, all of that, read articles, there is so much anger that is going on. And why what is the root cause in your opinion, of all of this anger that's going on within the country. Why why do individuals get so angry about these things? Our society is set up very weird. Because you know, my younger son is in the news media and he often I often ask him why is there so much negative news? Why? I asked in that once a couple of years ago, and he said, here's what we usually say in the newsroom. If it bleeds, it leads. People are kind of in love with the negative aspect of life.

7:00 They're in love with being miserable. Now, why is that? Because as kids, this is just my humble opinion. By the way, as children, we are taught, at least my generation was. I'm sixty three, so back in the seventies, I was taught to ignore my negative feelings. Stop crying, or I'll give you something to cry about. My mother used to say me, right, children should be seen and not heard. Oh you're crying, Oh you're upset. Well, just you know, deal with it. We were negative emotions we were taught were not good emotion. And it's the thing about humans when you're told not to do something, Well, now I want to do it, you know. So now I want to chase those negative emotions because you just told me they're bad. Okay. Well yeah, it's like telling a child you can't drink till you're twenty one. Okay, I'm fifteen. I want to drink now because now I can't.

7:52 You know. It's that kind of a thing. And you know, we're in love with fear. It's a strange society. But the forgiveness, you know, I've said many the system. We'll talk about the system. I'll even give you the step by step system, and that's fine. I appreciate it. But you know, the thing that people are thinking about is when they see forgiveness. Even in the title of this podcast, ten out of ten people have the same reaction on a ten scale, with ten being unforgivable, dumpster fire and one being the easiest person in the world to forgive. Y'all are thinking of your number tens, every single one of you. And that's why nobody wants to forgive, because you're thinking about the one human being in the world that kind of that completely wrecked your life. And that's fair. But in my world, you don't have to start. I don't want you to start with the number tens. I want you to start with the ones. I want you to start with the easy ones and work your way up, and you don't even have to forgive your number tens. I'm the only one in the world that will tell you that.

8:55 Why Because there's a lot of other people, places and things you can forgive before you even get to that person. And I did say places and things. Just hang with me a little while. I'll explain why I said that. Okay, And you talk about the transformation power, the transformational power of forgiveness, and just from a brief outlook, what are you talking about there? What happens to an individual's life when they actually learn? And I look forward for you teaching us all how to do this, But what happens transformationally for an individual when they really learn to forgive? What have you observed? I love this question. There's a study and you can google this. It's right online. It's called the Japanese Water Study.

9:38 A guy named I know I'm not saying his name right, but it's Massimoto's something. I never can remember his name, but anyways, he took several containers of water. One container of water, all he did was speak love, to say he just talked to it and he said these beautiful words to it, told it he loved it. The other container of water he spoke hate, horrible, awful words. Then he froze the water and he put it under a microscope. The water that he spoke love to had these beautiful formations, gorgeous snowflake like formations. The water he spoke hate to had these black and brown mauth formations. And why am I telling you that? Because when people say anger is toxic, this is this is the how what do you Your body is over ninety five percent water. So when your self talk is bad, when you're thinking anger and you're following all the negativity and you're holding onto your anger, what do you think you're doing to the water cells in your body.

10:38 Yeah, the same thing. And literally making yourself sick. So as you forgive, even with the easy ones, you're literally changing your body from the inside out. And if you combine that with some mental work. I'm a breast cancer survivor and a lot of people stage three best breast cancer, and a lot of people said, how did you do it? Well, it's mindset. I purposely thought, positively, your mind is the most powerful tool that you have at your disposal. Absolute and it's amazing. And I think this is being proven now by science that the body with mindset, correct meditation, whatever it takes, that the body can literally heal itself it had it can.

11:23 You're changing the water cells in your body from those black and brown male formations, and your body expels it to these beautiful, crystal like ones, and you're going to start to feel better. And even if you forgive the easy ones, like the person who just cuts you off on the highway or the person who stole your sandwich out of the work refrigerator, you could forgive these people. Come on, how about the kid in grammar school who cheated off your paper and they got an A. You can forgive that person. Come on, now we are the easy ones, and that's going to start you on the path back to help. I laugh because you know, even yesterday, I'm in Thailand and I get so frustrated sometimes because I don't speak Thai, and you know, using Google Translate sometimes it just makes a mess of communication. And just the other day, a fellow came to repair some things. He drove right in front of my driveway, so I couldn't get out and I needed to go somewhere, and I'm going like that, and it's like, okay, relax, you know, and so breathe in, breathe out, relax type of thing. But what you're talking about is that even those kind of incidences we need to learn to forgive rather than get upset, frustrated or angry.

12:41 Yeah, you can forgive anything. Now. The reason I say people, places, and things is let's start with what everybody's thinking about. Because everybody's thinking about it, You're thinking about the unforgivable people. And you know, okay, Catherine, Now we can forgive the easy ones, but how do you forgive the unforgivable ones? Okay, Well, the system is designed to start with the easy and move your way to the heart. But here's a few psays. Just because I forgive you doesn't mean I want a relationship with you. I probably don't. Forgiveness does not always mean repair. Forgiveness is selfish. I'm doing it for you me, not for you. Just because I forgive you doesn't mean I'm giving you a pass and all of a sudden saying okay, I give in. You're right. Everybody thinks that, and I think it's because we were taught in school to now go forgive little Susie, say you're sorry, and then go play nice.

13:31 I think we connected some dots there that shouldn't have been connected, because when I forgive, it doesn't mean all of a sudden I'm giving in. It just and I'm not letting you off the hook. What it means is I'm letting me off the hook. Forgiveness means I want you out of my head. That's it. Yes, I want you out of my head. I want to remove the emotional charge. Whenever I think of your name or I see your name, I want it removed out of my mind. That's what it means. You don't have to reach out to these people. You don't have to all them up and make amends. You to it in the privacy of your own home. And that being said, you can forgive dead people because where they are or not doesn't matter a lock, because they're alive in your head, they can be forgiven.

14:12 So how much how much does do those childhood imprints, you know, the limiting beliefs that are impinged upon us by parents, by environment, by school, by teachers, by religion, by all of those type of things. How much of that affects us? And how on earth is that is part of your process learning to overcome that also, And if it is, let's get started. Let's start talking about what your process is. Okay, well, your childhood stuff. It's like movies playing in the back of your head and you don't know they're there because you've forgotten, but they're still playing and they're still in the back of your head. And I want you to sit down with a pad of paper and a pen, or if you're in your twenties. And third is you can get your iPad or your phone. That's fine, it doesn't matter to me. But what I really want you to do is The reason I say pad of paper and a pen is because I really want you to turn your technology off. You know your phone does have an off button. You know it's right there. I've said that to somebody a couple months ago when the color drained from our face. So okay, if you're starting to get the shakes from turning it off, mute it.

15:24 I just don't want you to be bothered for about a half hour or so or twenty minutes. Then I want you to sit down and I want you to think of all the people you know from the time you were in this sandbox as a kid to present day, and I want you to write down a list of people that you think you want to forgive no judging. If you write down the name Jim and you don't know why you wrote down the name Jim. Leave it on your paper because at some point in your life you knew it Jim, and he pissed you off because he's my language. But he did right. So write it down. And then I want you to rate everybody from one to ten. Ten being awful, one being really easy. Now you could have seven, number five all works for me. You could skip a number, don't care, you know. And then I want you to sit down and start with the ones, and it wants you to work your way up. Now.

16:09 The whole magic behind the system is I've had people look at me and say, you know, Catherine, I have forgiven them. I did do the work, but I'm still kind of thinking about it. I can't really toss it. That's because you didn't forgive the energy. Einstein proved that energy is neither created nor destroyed. It just transforms from one thing to another. When you get angry, you think it leaves your mouth and it dissipates in the universe. It does not. It hangs in your energy field until you clear it and everything. Einstein also proved that everything has an energy around it, including this tiny little microphone. Inadimate objects us. We all have energy around us. And that's what you need to clear. So in this system, I would say, I completely forgive Martha. I forgive the energy around Martha. I completely forgive myself. I forgive the energy around my life. I forgive the energy around the entire situation. And so it is amen, go with God.

17:06 You can end it any way you want. That's the mantra. You don't have to hold crystals unless you really like to hold crystals. You don't have to dance or chant unless that's your thing. Then go ahead and chance and chant and dance. I'm a very simple soul. That's the mantra. And I want you to imagine that the persons standing in front of you, and if you need to yell at the person, okay, let them have it. You're alone in a room. It's your party. You can do whatever you wants. And then I want you to say the manta. There's worksheets in the book to help you out. And then once you've said the mantra, I want you to check in with your body, how do you feel. I did this with a friend of mine and she forgave what she thought was a level one easy person to forgive.

17:49 She said the mantra and this is like an onion. You say it once and you're starting to peel back those layers of the onion. And once she was finished, she looked at me in shock and she said, I'm actually more angry than when I started. So the person went from a one to a five. Because the brain is the most amazing tool. It protects you. And once she started that that mantra, the brain was like, ooh, great, I can open up this back closet. Let's clean it out, and out came the memories. Okay. So as you that's the basis behind the system. As you said the mantra, and you said it pretty quickly, I'd like you to do it again for the audience, a little slower this time, and then I will tell you how to forgive the unforgivable.

18:31 Hella okay. And also as once you've done then the mantra, the other question I have for you. You know, we're using a word here, forgiveness, and you know is like love. People hear the word love, but they don't know what it really means. And as we're talking about forgiveness, what does that really mean? And you kind of you kind of touched on it as far as the energy goes and that type of thing. But what is forgiveness and how do we absolutely feel that we have achieved that forgiveness? What goes through our mind, through our body, through our emotions in order to achieve that? Do the mantra firse a little slower this time?

19:14 I complete. I'm just making up a name Martha. I use Aunt Martha in my gigs all the time because I don't have it Aunt Martha, and it's a safe name. So I completely forgive Aunt Martha. I completely forgive the energy around Aunt Martha. I completely forgive myself. I forgive the energy around myself. I completely forgive the energy around our entire relationship or our entire situation. And so it is amen. Whatever however you want to end it, I usually end it with it. And so it is okay. And then I want you to check in with your body. How do you feel? Are you still angry? Okay? Well? Is it still a wanter? Or did it jump? Or if you're doing a level five, is it now a four?

19:54 And or is it gone? If it's gone, cross the name off now. When it comes to the unforgivable, so many people can't forgive and everybody has a different definition of what they think is unforgivable, and that's totally fair, and you don't have to forgive you're unforgivable. There are things in this world that are unforgivable one hundred percent. We can all agree on that, which is why I say, you don't have to forgive the unforgivable. So if you can't forgive the person, and a friend of mine couldn't even forgive the energy around her unforgivable number ten person, that's how that's how awful it was. So I want you to pick apart the memory. We'll use one of my own as an example. Let's use the bully from grammar school, which was mine. And I couldn't forgive that bully for a very long time. Listen, you're not going to get a ten down to one on one overnight.

20:42 This got to take a b took me weeks to get her down to a forgivable level, but I couldn't forgive her. So I picked apart the memory. And remember I said, everything has energy around it, and energy is the key to this entire thing. So I forgave my childhood school. I forgave the energy around the school. I forgave the desk, the energy around the desk. I forgave the table, the chair, I forgave the park, the swing set. I forgave the kids who stood around and didn't help. I forgave myself. I picked apart the memory, and then eventually I was able to forgive her. So that's what I'm talking about. Forgive everything else in the memory. I forgave nineteen seventy four. Why did I forgive nineteen seventy four, because that's the Aria attempted suicide. And I picked apart the memory. I picked apart all the players in the memory, including my parents. But then it was kind of still bugging me. So I actually just went bigger and I finally forgave nineteen seventy four. You could forgive anything. You could forgive. Politicians, dare I say you could forgive the war in the Middle East. What's it going to do for the war in the Middle East? Absolutely nothing. But if it's making you angry, and if it's alive in your head, you can forgive it and release yourself from that prison. Forgiveness as energy, that's what it is at the end of the day.

21:59 So you have achieved that forgiveness in the example that you're using there, what is the feeling that you have? How are you able to sit back and go, ah, I'm free of that when you. Can look at that name on Facebook. Let's say I had an old business partner from years ago and I stumbled across them, across her, you know, a couple months back, and I stared at the name and I didn't care. Usually that name would send me flying and the memories would come back in. I stared at the name and I thought, I don't care. I don't think good, I don't think bad. I literally there was no emotional charge attached to it at all, and I clicked off virtually immediately.

22:45 I didn't care. That's what I'm going for. Forgiving and forgetting is something we bandy around pretty easily, but it's wrong. Nobody forgets. Now. There might be some super unicorn person somewhere, you know, on top of a mountain. It's able to forget. But I'm not the person that I'm not that person. I can't forget. But what I can promise is to you is when you think of that person or that memory, there won't be an emotional charge anymore. So now I can look back at my childhood and I could see the pockets of love that were back there. I could see the adults that were trying to help that kid. Myself as a teenager, I could see that. Now now I could still kind of sort of remember the bad stuff that happened, but I really don't anymore. I'm really remembering the pockets of love that were back there. And that's what I'm promising you. You can go back into your past and you could forgive the pieces in your past, which is going to release you from it so you don't have to think about it anymore and you can actually be the person you were always meant to be.

23:43 So you've mentioned just they're very short steps, and I don't know if you have more more parts of that. System or not very simple system. So it's literally you sit and write down the names you basically identify from one to ten, and you go through the mantra time and time and time and time again until you are no longer feeling that emotional trigger when you think of that. When you do the mantra. My older son did it, and he said he's a federal law enforcement officer and so he's not into the hudu voudoo kind of stuff.

24:24 But he did the system. He said his shoulders felt lighter, and he thought that was weird. He said, my shoulders shouldn't they felt they really felt lighter. Some people feel energy and their solar plexus, and anybody does know it's really an energy center right in the middle of your belly, above your belly button. Some most people get really tired, which is why I want you to do this before bed, and I only want you to do five to ten at a time. Why. Here's why. I am a little bit of an overachiever. I really have written twelve books, so I'm a little bit of an overachiever. And I wrote my list and I must have had forty or fifty people down. And I thought, you know, I practice, I preach, and I was right before bed, and I thought this could be great. I'm going to be like a butterfly coming out of a cocoon, a phoenix rising from the ashes. I'm going to wake up tomorrow to forgive all these people tonight and tomorrow to be a brand new person. Didn't work out that way, because I did forgive many people on the list, but I spent the next three days in bed with what everybody thought was the stomach flu. It was not the stomach flu.

25:22 I forgave too many people. Remember those water cells I was talking about. Well, you have to go someplace and if your body heals itself at night, and if you do too many, your body's going to have to play catch up. Now, some of you may be in the bathroom. Delicate, Shall I delicately say you did not eat a piece of bad fish? Just go with it. Your body is tossing some ancient hate and anger that you've been holding on for a very long time. Most people just get very tired. Some people get really thirsty. But your body is going to catch up and you are going to feel better. People are going to notice that you look different. They're going to say, did you get a haircutter? Something happened to you? And you can tell them or not.

26:04 This is a personal journey. You know, you do it for you. So if you don't want to tell them what you did, you don't have to. Your life is going to change. So how many things that will happen? So how many would you suggest? Number one at a time? And then how often do you do this? Do you do this every night or do you do this once or twice a week? And so number one, from what you're saying, I gather maybe four to five is all that you do. Four to five do? Don't do it more than ten. I can do twelve. But I've been doing this a very very long time and my body is kind of used to the abuse. But I would only do a few at a time. And I do it absolutely every night, every night. I do it every night before I go to bed. And you know, you're not the higher numbers anywhere from seven and above those people. It's going to take a minute. It's going to take a minute for you to get those people down. And the higher numbers, the eights, nines, and tens, you may just all you may be able to do is pick apart the memory.

27:05 You know, if it's like a Christmas holiday and Aunt Martha, you're always sitting next to Aunt Martha, and she's horrible. She drinks, she probably smells, and she always loves to push your buttons and she makes you so mad every year and it takes you a week to decompress after meeting the lady, and she loves it, you know, So what do you do? Well? If you can't forgive Aunt Martha. I want you a couple of weeks before you go, and you know, before you go to the party, I want you to pick apart the memory, pick the Christmas that was the most awful, and pick it apart. Forgive the table I'm actually not kidding, the energy around the table. Forgive the chair you were sitting in, in the chair she was sitting in, and the energy around the chair, I'm serious. Forgive the other people at the table that may or may not have helped you, and the energy around them. And then forgive the energy around Aunt Martha.

27:55 If you can't forgive Aunt Martha, then pick another memory and do that, and do this every night for a few weeks, so by the time you get to the party, you won't care if you're sitting next to In fact, you'll probably be entertained by it. You're probably gonna laugh because you're not going to be mad anymore. And you know, that's so interesting. And you said something else that I found really fascinating because as you were talking about being bullied, and then as you got into your teenage years a little bit later, looking back on that, all of a sudden, you're talking a little bit about gratitude, you're talking about a little bit of love, You're talking about a. Bit of appreciation. Sure with it, is that a process that happens naturally or is that also something that we can do actively and consciously in order to even enhance that forgiveness and our own personal well being even at a higher level.

28:50 When I first started forgiving, I also practiced gratitude, a little exercise that I did every single solitary night along with forgiveness. And what I did is I sat down and along with my list of people I needed to forgive, I would write down the three things I was most grateful for that day. It could have just been a hot cup of coffee. Some nights, that's all I was able to do. And that started changing my brain from looking at negativity and seeing the news and CNN and all these horrible things to looking at the world through a lens of love instead. It allowed me to be grateful for what I had and not mourn what I didn't. And the forgiveness energy also kind of permeated that. So the tube is a very powerful combination. The forgiveness energy is a real powerful thing. Let me tell you a little story, and it's one hundred percent true. And yes it's going to stretch some people's brains out. I promise it won't hurt too badly. No, it little brain stretching here.

29:51 I sat down and I forgave a level one person in my life from my childhood, from grammar school. We were best friends and I couldn't even remember what with the falling out was over. I really couldn't. So I thought, this is an easy person to forgive because I don't even remember, and I hadn't talked to this person in decades. So I sat down, I did my mantra forgave her. And if you can't imagine the person in front of you, just put a chair in front of you with their name on it and just talk to the chair. Some people can't imagine it in their eyes. I just talk to the chair and imagine. I imagined her as she was when I knew her, not as an adult. I want you to think of the person as they looked the last time you saw them. And I forgave her, and I said my mantra, and I forgave myself because forgiving yourself is important. And then I forgot about it.

30:35 Two hours later, she calls me up on the phone. Now, I'm a concierge trainer by trade. I'm retired now, but that's what I used to do. So my concierge training kicked in virtually immediately, and I masked my shop because my jaw dropped to the floor. So we said all the right things, all the right words, made all the right noises that people do when they're making up with each other, and we reminisced, as you know, as one is meant to do. But I couldn't stand it, and I said, you know, I'm a curious little bear. I have to know why, after all these years, did you decide to call me today. She said, you know, it's the darnest thing. Two hours ago, which was exactly when I was saying the mantra, a figurine you gave me in school flew off my shelf landed in the middle of the floor. I saw it, and I thought, maybe I should give you a call. Wow, we were seven hundred miles away. So if this forgiveness energy has the power to move a figurine to the middle of the floor seven hundred miles away, and it has the power to change the water molecules in your body, what do you think it's going to do to your life? Well, when you practice this, some things are going to happen, and it's just it's just going to happen. Some people will be attracted to you, meaning like energy of tracks like energy. Some new friends might come into your life.

31:49 On the other side of the coin, there are people who will leave. You will find some jack rabbits because they don't like your energy anymore. You're going to be what we call vibrating differently, which means your energy field is going to change. That's all that means, and so they're gonna be repelled by it, so they're going to leave. I've had some jack rabbits. I've never seen them again, and we were really close friends and they've just disappeared. Then you've got people who who are going to ride with you, maybe you live with them, and they're like, how I like what he's doing. I'm just I'm going to ride along. I'm going to take the chain with you. But then you're gonna have the people who sabotage you because their friend is gone, the friend they've been living with, the friend they've known all of a sudden now all of a sudden you're changing. So if they don't decide to change with you, they're going to try and sabotage it.

32:32 So just stay the course, to be honest, stay the course and know you're doing the right thing, because as you feel better, your world is going to open up, completely open up, and me amazing things are going to happen. Well, and we're talking about the health benefits, but we're also and you're focusing a lot on the emotional, the mindset, the whole inner piece sense of the beings and all. What is that? How do you describe that to someone who's trying to figure out how to do this, that here's something that they can ultimately achieve, not only just help, but here's the being. That's what I call the being neus of who they can become.

33:15 Let me tell you a real story. A podcaster. I do a lot of podcasts, and we did the show and I gave the system just like I just did for you, and she worked the mantra. She bought my book, the ebook, so she could have it immediately. She worked the mantra that night. The next day she was at a networking function and the wealthiest guy in the town came up to her and said, I like what you're doing, and I want to offer my facility to you free of church. Okay, the universe when you hit the right button, the universe doesn't delay. Now let me some men will look at me, not you, But some men have been known to look at me and say, you know, my anger is how I made all this money. It's how I get out of bed every night. It's it's it's the gasoline to my car. Okay, let's talk about that. Sure, you've got two elevators. One is an express elevator all the way to the seventy fifth floor. The other elevator could have been an express, but some punk kid went in and pushed every single solitary button between one and seventy four. So you get into that local elevator and you have to stop at every single floor. New people come on, people go off. You're going to be bloodied.

34:27 You're going to be so irritated. By the time you get to the top floor. You're going to be a different person, and not in a good way. So you can still get to where you're going on that local, But wouldn't you rather take the express? The Express is filled with love and joy. You could take the local and you'll get there. So they've taken the local train. You'll get there. You won't be happy, but you could get there. And when you're doing it, the way that you're talking about life happens in a much different positive way. You just cracked also, And it's not always about money. It's not always not always about money. It's about feeling. You'll be healthier, coffee is going to smell better. It's just opportunities are going to find you that didn't find you before. And why it goes back to if you're so focused on hate and negativity and you're watching the news, no disrespect to the news, but it's very negative, you're going to miss opportunities in around you. And that's what this system does. It's going to allow you to start paying attention to the other parts of life that you have just not even don't even know it's there. Well.

35:33 And and one thing that I find here in Thailand and going through a lot of meditation, I haven't done your process yet, so I've get the book and started doing that. But what I find is just a sense of peace. And you know, and when my kids in bad bad are you why are you over there and it's like, you know what, I just feel a sense of peace. I think it's a lot of the culture. It's just a lot of those things that just a sense of piece and you can't replace that. No, you can't. We're not meant to live in a refrigerator box on the street. We're not meant to be poor and sick all the time. Our birthright is to live in joy, to live in love, to have prosperity.

36:18 That's your birthright. And this process is designed and listen, I still have people to forgive, and I wrote the book on it. Humans irritate other humans. When will I be done with this process? Never? When will I stop doing it before bed? Do I do it absolutely every night before bed. I've been doing practicing this for a long time. So no, I don't do it every night anymore. I used to. But I always have somebody to forgive. Somebody cut me off on I ninety five South. There's always somebody to somebody stole my parking space, a memory, because once you here's the really I've been known to scream about this one. You get to the center of your onion, You finally get your number ten person, You get it on to a forgivable level or a manageable level where they're not in your head all the time.

37:03 You get your ten down to a four, and you're thinking, okay, now, you know it's getting better now, and you think I've finally gotten to the center of my onion. I'm done. And what happened when I got to the center of my onion? Another damn onion appeared and memories kind of cut. More memories came out. And the more I learned, the more I realize I have to learn. It's just the way. Life is, and it's a process, and sometimes you are your own number ten. This is the first book of three and the second book is about how to forgive Yourself? And is that coming out? I'm writing it right now. I'm hoping that it will come out spring summer of next year, That's what I'm hoping.

37:48 But it's how to forgive Yourself, how to forgive money. Hello, everybody has such a weird relationship with money, and money is a form of energy, is it not? At least that's what they say. So that's and the third book is is that's going to stretch people's brain a little bit. So yeah, the third book is the third book. So your first books, what's the name of your first book, Lisle, the audience know exactly what that is, the. Ultimate Path to Forgiveness, Unlocking your. Power, and how do they find it? The book is on Amazon. You can buy the e book, the paperback and the audio book. I do understand not everybody likes to read. And my younger son produced the audiobook, and we're still talking to each other, so there you go.

38:28 That's good. Hey. I have a lot of respect for voiceovers in those animated movies. And I used to think how easy it was to go into a booth and just read, and no, it's it is really hard. It is not as easy as you would think. It isn't. So that's why we're still speaking to each other. I love the audio books, and actually there are some now it's a new program from Amazon, and not all of the books that apply, but for some you can buy the audiobook and the e book together at a different at a lower price. And I have found oftentimes because I do a lot of audio, I listened to a lot of audio books. But I have found if it's something like this that every once in a while I want to go back and mark and reaffirm and really do that. So being able to combine the two I think is absolutely amazing.

39:23 Yeah, it was. It was fun. We didn't do it in a professional studio. He had me sitting at a desk, wrapped in a blanket of tpee you know. It was like a tpie sitting in a thing of blankets. And when we recorded the Little Bird on your Shoulder, another book that I wrote, he had me do it in my closet. I was living in another house at the time. And that's because the sound is you don't want it bouncing. If I did an audiobook right here in this office, the sound would be bouncing off the walls. So you want to be in a very enclosed place. So yeah, oh no, I get it. My whole wall is sound proved, and yeah, burns over here for Soundproofume. You gotta do that. You gotta do it.

40:04 How do people find you? You can go to my website at Katherine Giovanni dot com and Katherine, thanks to my mother, is spelled a little bit odd. It's k A T H A R I an a Giovanni dot com. Thanks mom, You. Know, yeah, have you forgiven her of that yet? I have forgiven my mother, absolutely, She's one of the people I've actually been able to toss and forgive completely. Oh that's great. Well, as we closed today, what would be a message that you'd like to ultimately share with the audience that they will remember. You are worthy. You are worthy enough to live a life of joy and happiness. It is your birthright. You are worthy enough to have that house and that relationship and that dream job. You are worthy and you can do this. This is this is the this is a path to out of where you are. It's a path away from that brick wall you've hit. You are worthy.

41:03 Three words that I'd just like to leave people. With, lovely, lovely, Well, Catherine, thank you so much. Is this has been really fascinating. I think we could go on and on and on. There's so many questions I have, but I really appreciate you being on the show. Thanks so much for having me. It was fun. Yeah, I love it, and folks, thanks for listening. I hope you enjoyed it, and please please go to the website get that book. This is a fascinating approach that can make a difference in all of our lives as we follow it. So this is doctor Doug saying no mistake