Feb. 3, 2025

The Ultimate Path to Forgiveness: Unlocking Your Power

The Ultimate Path to Forgiveness: Unlocking Your Power

Katharine Giovanni discusses her book, The Ultimate Path to Forgiveness: Unlocking Your Power, and the transformational impact of forgiveness. Katharine shares her journey through trauma, healing, and self-discovery, explaining how forgiveness...

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Katharine Giovanni discusses her book, The Ultimate Path to Forgiveness: Unlocking Your Power, and the transformational impact of forgiveness. Katharine shares her journey through trauma, healing, and self-discovery, explaining how forgiveness reshaped her life. She introduces a step-by-step method to release anger and emotional burdens, addressing the energy tied to past experiences, empowering individuals to embrace their worth and transform their lives.
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At the end of the day, it's not about what

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you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,

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who you've made better. It's about what you've given back.

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Denzel Washington, Welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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to do the same.

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Catherine, and welcome to the show.

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Thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it.

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Hey, I'm really excited to hear what you have to

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say today. I think that the topic about forgiveness is

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something that not a lot of people. I mean, everyone

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talks about it to sub degree or another, but not

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everyone really understands the importance of it. But what I

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find interesting and I want you to share with the

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audience number one, who you are and what was your journey?

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How did you get to this point where you're focusing

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on forgiveness writing your book, and you've read a few books,

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I think, but writing this particular book and doing what

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you're doing, you.

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Can't know forgiveness and peace without contrast. And my life

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has had quite a lot of contrast. There's a lot

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of water under the bridge. It probably started in nineteen

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cent never mind what year it was. I don't think

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we need to go there, but let's just say it

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was decades ago. When I was in the eighth grade.

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My parents were very pickled people and being they were

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both outraging alcoholics, and I was getting horribly bullied in

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school because I was different and as and then they

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got it, we're getting a divorce. So as a result,

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in the year nineteen seventy five, nineteen seventy four, there

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we go. I tried to commit suicide because I just thought,

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you know, I just can't take it anymore, and a

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friend talked me out of it, and I turned into

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one of those kids, you know, those teenagers that are

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kind of draped in black. They have one friend they're

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they're always sick, and they're always kind of angry. I

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was angry, and I kind of just floated through life

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until my mother. When I was in my twenties. My

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mother fell down the stairs, broke her hip, and ended

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up in the hospital. And even my mother couldn't get

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a genentonic in the hospital, so she dried out and

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we sent her to rehab and I spent the next

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three years with my mother, and we were as close

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as sisters. We forgave each other, we traveled, we were inseparable.

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And then she died of breast cancer, a disease that

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I got many years later. I'm a breast cancer survivor,

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and I realized when she died that if I didn't change,

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I would die too. I mean, it was just so clear.

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So I've now been sober for thirty four years, and

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I got my act together, got married, been married thirty

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three years. Doesn't take much to figure that math out. Wow,

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and over the I over the years, I you know,

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I'm one of the founders of the concierge industry and

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all these things. But I lost the anger because I

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really just started to forgive. But here's the deal. Everybody

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tells you to forgive. Your parents, your teachers, everybody, nobody

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teaches you how you know that? And what if you

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don't want to? Then what do you do? So the

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system I created, and there's a secret sauce to the method,

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but it's a step by step method that teaches people

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exactly how to forgive. And once I started to forgive

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people my my entire life just opened up. Even before

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I knew the system, it started to open up. Well.

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And you know, it's so interesting. You've used some words

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there that I think were so true to me.

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The anger.

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Now you didn't use frustration, but that's something else. And

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what what have you found? I mean, you're your own

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experience is so personal, but what have you found in general?

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For people that are not able to forgive? How does

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that affect their lives?

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Let me show you a visual that'll explain the entire

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thing for anybody listening. I'm about to hold an opaque

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coffee cup right in front of my face. So this

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coffee cup is my anger, it's my bitterness, it's my resentment.

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And when I first get angry, look at my body language.

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I can hold it right off to the side. This

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is easy. I can manage my anger. I can hold

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it off to this side. I could conduct my life,

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look at my body language, and I could talk. We

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could have dinner, I could go to work. The longer

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I hold on to this cup, the more stuff, the

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more anger I'm going to pour into it. And eventually,

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now I've got two hands holding up the cup. Well,

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I could still kind of hold it off to the side,

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but it's starting to affect my conversations. It's starting to

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get into my head. I'm starting to think about it

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and more because I'm in pain, and it's very hard

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to focus on your general life if you're in pain.

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And if I continue to hold on to it, eventually

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it's going to get so heavy. Now it's all I

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can think of. The cups right in front of my face.

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I can't even see you anymore. All I can do

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is focus on the anger. I'm talking about it, I'm

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breathing it. My friends are going down, he goes. Who

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wants to be with me? I'm sick and tired and

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angry all the time, and it's always in my conversations.

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So the system is designed to put the glass down

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now that when you can put the glass down, now,

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look at my body language. Now I can pay attention again.

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That's what forgiveness does. I can see that new money

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making opportunity. I can see that new beautiful significant other

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coming into my life. Why didn't I see it before

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because I was too focused on the anger. It was

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all I could see. Well, one reason, that's one way

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forgiveness is going to change your life. And I guarantee

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you it's like the law of gravity. The law of

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gravity will work whether you believe it or not. And

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I have a bunch of science so we can talk

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about to back up everything I'm saying. But the law

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of forgiveness is the same. This stuff is serious science

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and it's going to work whether you believe it or not.

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All right, So we're just over an election. And if

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you take the time to listen to the news, listen

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to some podcasts, all of that, read articles, there is

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so much anger that is going on. And why what

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is the root cause in your opinion, of all of

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this anger that's going on within the country. Why why

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do individuals get so angry about these things?

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Our society is set up very weird. Because you know,

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my younger son is in the news media and he

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often I often ask him why is there so much

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negative news? Why? I asked in that once a couple

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of years ago, and he said, here's what we usually

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say in the newsroom. If it bleeds, it leads. People

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are kind of in love with the negative aspect of life.

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They're in love with being miserable. Now, why is that?

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Because as kids, this is just my humble opinion. By

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the way, as children, we are taught, at least my

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generation was. I'm sixty three, so back in the seventies,

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I was taught to ignore my negative feelings. Stop crying,

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or I'll give you something to cry about. My mother

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used to say me, right, children should be seen and

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not heard. Oh you're crying, Oh you're upset. Well, just

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you know, deal with it. We were negative emotions we

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were taught were not good emotion. And it's the thing

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about humans when you're told not to do something, Well,

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now I want to do it, you know. So now

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I want to chase those negative emotions because you just

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told me they're bad. Okay. Well yeah, it's like telling

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a child you can't drink till you're twenty one. Okay,

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I'm fifteen. I want to drink now because now I can't.

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You know.

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It's that kind of a thing. And you know, we're

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in love with fear. It's a strange society. But the forgiveness,

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you know, I've said many the system. We'll talk about

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the system. I'll even give you the step by step system,

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and that's fine. I appreciate it. But you know, the

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thing that people are thinking about is when they see forgiveness.

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Even in the title of this podcast, ten out of

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ten people have the same reaction on a ten scale,

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with ten being unforgivable, dumpster fire and one being the

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easiest person in the world to forgive. Y'all are thinking

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of your number tens, every single one of you. And

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that's why nobody wants to forgive, because you're thinking about

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the one human being in the world that kind of

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that completely wrecked your life. And that's fair. But in

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my world, you don't have to start. I don't want

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you to start with the number tens. I want you

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to start with the ones. I want you to start

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with the easy ones and work your way up, and

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you don't even have to forgive your number tens. I'm

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the only one in the world that will tell you that.

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Why Because there's a lot of other people, places and

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things you can forgive before you even get to that person.

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And I did say places and things. Just hang with

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me a little while. I'll explain why I said that.

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Okay, And you talk about the transformation power, the transformational

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power of forgiveness, and just from a brief outlook, what

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are you talking about there? What happens to an individual's

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life when they actually learn? And I look forward for

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you teaching us all how to do this, But what

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happens transformationally for an individual when they really learn to forgive?

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What have you observed?

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I love this question. There's a study and you can

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google this. It's right online. It's called the Japanese Water Study.

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A guy named I know I'm not saying his name right,

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but it's Massimoto's something. I never can remember his name,

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but anyways, he took several containers of water. One container

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of water, all he did was speak love, to say

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he just talked to it and he said these beautiful

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words to it, told it he loved it. The other

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container of water he spoke hate, horrible, awful words. Then

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he froze the water and he put it under a microscope.

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The water that he spoke love to had these beautiful formations,

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gorgeous snowflake like formations. The water he spoke hate to

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had these black and brown mauth formations. And why am

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I telling you that? Because when people say anger is toxic,

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this is this is the how what do you Your

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body is over ninety five percent water. So when your

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self talk is bad, when you're thinking anger and you're

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following all the negativity and you're holding onto your anger,

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what do you think you're doing to the water cells

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in your body.

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Yeah, the same thing.

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And literally making yourself sick. So as you forgive, even

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with the easy ones, you're literally changing your body from

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the inside out. And if you combine that with some

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mental work. I'm a breast cancer survivor and a lot

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of people stage three best breast cancer, and a lot

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of people said, how did you do it? Well, it's mindset.

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I purposely thought, positively, your mind is the most powerful

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tool that you have at your disposal.

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Absolute and it's amazing. And I think this is being

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proven now by science that the body with mindset, correct meditation,

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whatever it takes, that the body can literally heal itself

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it had it can.

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You're changing the water cells in your body from those

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black and brown male formations, and your body expels it

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to these beautiful, crystal like ones, and you're going to

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start to feel better. And even if you forgive the

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easy ones, like the person who just cuts you off

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on the highway or the person who stole your sandwich

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out of the work refrigerator, you could forgive these people.

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Come on, how about the kid in grammar school who

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cheated off your paper and they got an A. You

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can forgive that person. Come on, now we are the

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easy ones, and that's going to start you on the

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path back to help.

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I laugh because you know, even yesterday, I'm in Thailand

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and I get so frustrated sometimes because I don't speak Thai,

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and you know, using Google Translate sometimes it just makes

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a mess of communication. And just the other day, a

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fellow came to repair some things. He drove right in

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front of my driveway, so I couldn't get out and

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I needed to go somewhere, and I'm going like that,

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and it's like, okay, relax, you know, and so breathe in,

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breathe out, relax type of thing. But what you're talking

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about is that even those kind of incidences we need

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to learn to forgive rather than get upset, frustrated or angry.

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Yeah, you can forgive anything.

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The reason I say people, places, and things is let's

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start with what everybody's thinking about. Because everybody's thinking about it,

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You're thinking about the unforgivable people. And you know, okay, Catherine,

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Now we can forgive the easy ones, but how do

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you forgive the unforgivable ones? Okay, Well, the system is

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designed to start with the easy and move your way

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to the heart. But here's a few psays. Just because

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I forgive you doesn't mean I want a relationship with you.

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I probably don't. Forgiveness does not always mean repair. Forgiveness

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is selfish. I'm doing it for you me, not for you.

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Just because I forgive you doesn't mean I'm giving you

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a pass and all of a sudden saying okay, I

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give in. You're right. Everybody thinks that, and I think

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it's because we were taught in school to now go

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forgive little Susie, say you're sorry, and then go play nice.

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I think we connected some dots there that shouldn't have

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been connected, because when I forgive, it doesn't mean all

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of a sudden I'm giving in. It just and I'm

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not letting you off the hook. What it means is

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I'm letting me off the hook. Forgiveness means I want

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you out of my head. That's it. Yes, I want

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you out of my head. I want to remove the

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emotional charge. Whenever I think of your name or I

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see your name, I want it removed out of my mind.

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That's what it means. You don't have to reach out

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to these people. You don't have to all them up

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and make amends. You to it in the privacy of

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your own home. And that being said, you can forgive

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dead people because where they are or not doesn't matter

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a lock, because they're alive in your head, they can

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be forgiven.

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So how much how much does do those childhood imprints,

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you know, the limiting beliefs that are impinged upon us

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by parents, by environment, by school, by teachers, by religion,

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by all of those type of things. How much of

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that affects us? And how on earth is that is

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part of your process learning to overcome that also, And

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if it is, let's get started. Let's start talking about

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what your process is.

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Okay, well, your childhood stuff. It's like movies playing in

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the back of your head and you don't know they're

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there because you've forgotten, but they're still playing and they're

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still in the back of your head. And I want

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you to sit down with a pad of paper and

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a pen, or if you're in your twenties. And third

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is you can get your iPad or your phone. That's fine,

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it doesn't matter to me. But what I really want

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you to do is The reason I say pad of

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paper and a pen is because I really want you

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to turn your technology off. You know your phone does

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have an off button. You know it's right there. I've

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said that to somebody a couple months ago when the

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color drained from our face. So okay, if you're starting

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to get the shakes from turning it off, mute it.

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I just don't want you to be bothered for about

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a half hour or so or twenty minutes. Then I

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want you to sit down and I want you to

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think of all the people you know from the time

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you were in this sandbox as a kid to present day,

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and I want you to write down a list of

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people that you think you want to forgive no judging.

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If you write down the name Jim and you don't

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know why you wrote down the name Jim. Leave it

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on your paper because at some point in your life

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you knew it Jim, and he pissed you off because

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he's my language. But he did right. So write it down.

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And then I want you to rate everybody from one

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to ten. Ten being awful, one being really easy. Now

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you could have seven, number five all works for me.

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You could skip a number, don't care, you know. And

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then I want you to sit down and start with

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the ones, and it wants you to work your way up. Now.

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The whole magic behind the system is I've had people

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look at me and say, you know, Catherine, I have

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forgiven them. I did do the work, but I'm still

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kind of thinking about it. I can't really toss it.

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That's because you didn't forgive the energy. Einstein proved that

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energy is neither created nor destroyed. It just transforms from

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one thing to another. When you get angry, you think

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it leaves your mouth and it dissipates in the universe.

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It does not. It hangs in your energy field until

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you clear it and everything. Einstein also proved that everything

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has an energy around it, including this tiny little microphone.

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Inadimate objects us. We all have energy around us. And

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that's what you need to clear. So in this system,

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I would say, I completely forgive Martha. I forgive the

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energy around Martha. I completely forgive myself. I forgive the

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energy around my life. I forgive the energy around the

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entire situation. And so it is amen, go with God.

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You can end it any way you want. That's the mantra.

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You don't have to hold crystals unless you really like

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to hold crystals. You don't have to dance or chant

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unless that's your thing. Then go ahead and chance and

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chant and dance. I'm a very simple soul. That's the mantra.

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And I want you to imagine that the persons standing

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in front of you, and if you need to yell

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at the person, okay, let them have it. You're alone

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in a room. It's your party. You can do whatever

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you wants. And then I want you to say the manta.

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There's worksheets in the book to help you out. And

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then once you've said the mantra, I want you to

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check in with your body, how do you feel. I

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did this with a friend of mine and she forgave

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what she thought was a level one easy person to forgive.

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She said the mantra and this is like an onion.

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You say it once and you're starting to peel back

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those layers of the onion. And once she was finished,

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she looked at me in shock and she said, I'm

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actually more angry than when I started. So the person

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went from a one to a five. Because the brain

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is the most amazing tool. It protects you. And once

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she started that that mantra, the brain was like, ooh, great,

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I can open up this back closet. Let's clean it out,

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and out came the memories. Okay. So as you that's

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the basis behind the system.

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As you said the mantra, and you said it pretty quickly,

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I'd like you to do it again for the audience,

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a little slower this time, and then I will tell

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you how to forgive the unforgivable.

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Hella okay.

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And also as once you've done then the mantra, the

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other question I have for you. You know, we're using a

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word here, forgiveness, and you know is like love. People

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hear the word love, but they don't know what it

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really means. And as we're talking about forgiveness, what does

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that really mean? And you kind of you kind of

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touched on it as far as the energy goes and

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that type of thing. But what is forgiveness and how

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do we absolutely feel that we have achieved that forgiveness?

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What goes through our mind, through our body, through our

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emotions in order to achieve that? Do the mantra firse

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a little slower this time?

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I complete. I'm just making up a name Martha. I

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use Aunt Martha in my gigs all the time because

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I don't have it Aunt Martha, and it's a safe name.

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So I completely forgive Aunt Martha. I completely forgive the

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energy around Aunt Martha. I completely forgive myself. I forgive

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the energy around myself. I completely forgive the energy around

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our entire relationship or our entire situation. And so it

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is amen. Whatever however you want to end it, I

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usually end it with it. And so it is okay.

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And then I want you to check in with your body.

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How do you feel? Are you still angry? Okay?

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Well?

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Is it still a wanter? Or did it jump? Or

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if you're doing a level five, is it now a four?

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And or is it gone? If it's gone, cross the

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name off now. When it comes to the unforgivable, so

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many people can't forgive and everybody has a different definition

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of what they think is unforgivable, and that's totally fair,

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and you don't have to forgive you're unforgivable. There are

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things in this world that are unforgivable one hundred percent.

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We can all agree on that, which is why I say,

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you don't have to forgive the unforgivable. So if you

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can't forgive the person, and a friend of mine couldn't

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even forgive the energy around her unforgivable number ten person,

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that's how that's how awful it was. So I want

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you to pick apart the memory. We'll use one of

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my own as an example. Let's use the bully from

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grammar school, which was mine. And I couldn't forgive that

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bully for a very long time. Listen, you're not going

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to get a ten down to one on one overnight.

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This got to take a b took me weeks to

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get her down to a forgivable level, but I couldn't

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forgive her. So I picked apart the memory. And remember

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I said, everything has energy around it, and energy is

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the key to this entire thing. So I forgave my

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childhood school. I forgave the energy around the school. I

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forgave the desk, the energy around the desk. I forgave

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the table, the chair, I forgave the park, the swing set.

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I forgave the kids who stood around and didn't help.

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I forgave myself. I picked apart the memory, and then

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eventually I was able to forgive her. So that's what

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I'm talking about. Forgive everything else in the memory. I

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forgave nineteen seventy four. Why did I forgive nineteen seventy four,

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because that's the Aria attempted suicide. And I picked apart

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the memory. I picked apart all the players in the memory,

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including my parents. But then it was kind of still

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bugging me. So I actually just went bigger and I

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finally forgave nineteen seventy four. You could forgive anything. You

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could forgive. Politicians, dare I say you could forgive the

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war in the Middle East. What's it going to do

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for the war in the Middle East? Absolutely nothing. But

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if it's making you angry, and if it's alive in

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your head, you can forgive it and release yourself from

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that prison. Forgiveness as energy, that's what it is at

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the end of the day.

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So you have achieved that forgiveness in the example that

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you're using there, what is the feeling that you have?

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How are you able to sit back and go, ah,

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I'm free of that when you.

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Can look at that name on Facebook. Let's say I

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had an old business partner from years ago and I

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stumbled across them, across her, you know, a couple months back,

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and I stared at the name and I didn't care.

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Usually that name would send me flying and the memories

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would come back in. I stared at the name and

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I thought, I don't care. I don't think good, I

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don't think bad. I literally there was no emotional charge

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attached to it at all, and I clicked off virtually immediately.

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I didn't care. That's what I'm going for. Forgiving and

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forgetting is something we bandy around pretty easily, but it's wrong.

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Nobody forgets.

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Now.

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There might be some super unicorn person somewhere, you know,

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on top of a mountain. It's able to forget. But

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I'm not the person that I'm not that person. I

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can't forget. But what I can promise is to you

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is when you think of that person or that memory,

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there won't be an emotional charge anymore. So now I

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can look back at my childhood and I could see

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the pockets of love that were back there. I could

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see the adults that were trying to help that kid.

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Myself as a teenager, I could see that. Now now

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I could still kind of sort of remember the bad

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stuff that happened, but I really don't anymore. I'm really

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remembering the pockets of love that were back there. And

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that's what I'm promising you. You can go back into

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your past and you could forgive the pieces in your past,

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00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:39.319
which is going to release you from it so you

461
00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:41.000
don't have to think about it anymore and you can

462
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:43.079
actually be the person you were always meant to be.

463
00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:47.759
So you've mentioned just they're very short steps, and I

464
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:50.599
don't know if you have more more parts of that.

465
00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:52.440
System or not very simple system.

466
00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:55.920
So it's literally you sit and write down the names

467
00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:03.279
you basically identify from one to ten, and you go

468
00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:07.799
through the mantra time and time and time and time

469
00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:12.079
again until you are no longer feeling that emotional trigger

470
00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:13.200
when you think of that.

471
00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:16.880
When you do the mantra. My older son did it,

472
00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:20.680
and he said he's a federal law enforcement officer and

473
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:24.279
so he's not into the hudu voudoo kind of stuff.

474
00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:27.480
But he did the system. He said his shoulders felt lighter,

475
00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:29.799
and he thought that was weird. He said, my shoulders

476
00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:33.720
shouldn't they felt they really felt lighter. Some people feel

477
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:36.559
energy and their solar plexus, and anybody does know it's

478
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:38.799
really an energy center right in the middle of your belly,

479
00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:43.160
above your belly button. Some most people get really tired,

480
00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:45.359
which is why I want you to do this before bed,

481
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:47.319
and I only want you to do five to ten

482
00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:50.720
at a time. Why. Here's why. I am a little

483
00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:53.160
bit of an overachiever. I really have written twelve books,

484
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:55.000
so I'm a little bit of an overachiever. And I

485
00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:56.880
wrote my list and I must have had forty or

486
00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.920
fifty people down. And I thought, you know, I practice,

487
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:03.000
I preach, and I was right before bed, and I

488
00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:04.759
thought this could be great. I'm going to be like

489
00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:07.599
a butterfly coming out of a cocoon, a phoenix rising

490
00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:09.599
from the ashes. I'm going to wake up tomorrow to

491
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:11.680
forgive all these people tonight and tomorrow to be a

492
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:14.640
brand new person. Didn't work out that way, because I

493
00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:17.759
did forgive many people on the list, but I spent

494
00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:19.920
the next three days in bed with what everybody thought

495
00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:22.359
was the stomach flu. It was not the stomach flu.

496
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:25.079
I forgave too many people. Remember those water cells I

497
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:28.400
was talking about. Well, you have to go someplace and

498
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.359
if your body heals itself at night, and if you

499
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.680
do too many, your body's going to have to play

500
00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:37.440
catch up. Now, some of you may be in the bathroom. Delicate,

501
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:39.960
Shall I delicately say you did not eat a piece

502
00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.119
of bad fish? Just go with it. Your body is

503
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:45.400
tossing some ancient hate and anger that you've been holding

504
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.559
on for a very long time. Most people just get

505
00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:53.000
very tired. Some people get really thirsty. But your body

506
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:55.839
is going to catch up and you are going to

507
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:59.400
feel better. People are going to notice that you look different.

508
00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:02.240
They're going to say, did you get a haircutter? Something

509
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:04.200
happened to you? And you can tell them or not.

510
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.160
This is a personal journey. You know, you do it

511
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:08.359
for you. So if you don't want to tell them

512
00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:10.519
what you did, you don't have to. Your life is

513
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:13.319
going to change. So how many things that will happen?

514
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:17.119
So how many would you suggest? Number one at a time?

515
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:19.440
And then how often do you do this? Do you

516
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:21.799
do this every night or do you do this once

517
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:25.480
or twice a week? And so number one, from what

518
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:28.640
you're saying, I gather maybe four to five is all

519
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:29.119
that you do.

520
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.839
Four to five do? Don't do it more than ten.

521
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:34.559
I can do twelve. But I've been doing this a

522
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:36.799
very very long time and my body is kind of

523
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:40.720
used to the abuse. But I would only do a

524
00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:44.000
few at a time. And I do it absolutely every night,

525
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.279
every night. I do it every night before I go

526
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:51.240
to bed. And you know, you're not the higher numbers

527
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:54.920
anywhere from seven and above those people. It's going to

528
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:57.200
take a minute. It's going to take a minute for

529
00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.720
you to get those people down. And the higher numbers,

530
00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:03.559
the eights, nines, and tens, you may just all you

531
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:05.759
may be able to do is pick apart the memory.

532
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:09.880
You know, if it's like a Christmas holiday and Aunt Martha,

533
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:13.319
you're always sitting next to Aunt Martha, and she's horrible.

534
00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:16.480
She drinks, she probably smells, and she always loves to

535
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:20.119
push your buttons and she makes you so mad every

536
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.680
year and it takes you a week to decompress after

537
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.359
meeting the lady, and she loves it, you know, So

538
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.920
what do you do? Well? If you can't forgive Aunt Martha.

539
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.200
I want you a couple of weeks before you go,

540
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.839
and you know, before you go to the party, I

541
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.440
want you to pick apart the memory, pick the Christmas

542
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:38.359
that was the most awful, and pick it apart. Forgive

543
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.599
the table I'm actually not kidding, the energy around the table.

544
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:43.960
Forgive the chair you were sitting in, in the chair

545
00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:46.200
she was sitting in, and the energy around the chair,

546
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.200
I'm serious. Forgive the other people at the table that

547
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:51.319
may or may not have helped you, and the energy

548
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:55.000
around them. And then forgive the energy around Aunt Martha.

549
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:58.279
If you can't forgive Aunt Martha, then pick another memory

550
00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:00.680
and do that, and do this every night for a

551
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.440
few weeks, so by the time you get to the party,

552
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:06.279
you won't care if you're sitting next to In fact,

553
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:08.759
you'll probably be entertained by it. You're probably gonna laugh

554
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:11.400
because you're not going to be mad anymore.

555
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.759
And you know, that's so interesting. And you said something

556
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:19.680
else that I found really fascinating because as you were

557
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.680
talking about being bullied, and then as you got into

558
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.720
your teenage years a little bit later, looking back on that,

559
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:28.960
all of a sudden, you're talking a little bit about gratitude,

560
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.079
you're talking about a little bit of love, You're talking

561
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:32.680
about a.

562
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:33.680
Bit of appreciation.

563
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.720
Sure with it, is that a process that happens naturally

564
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.960
or is that also something that we can do actively

565
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:46.839
and consciously in order to even enhance that forgiveness and

566
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:50.319
our own personal well being even at a higher level.

567
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:54.119
When I first started forgiving, I also practiced gratitude, a

568
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:58.039
little exercise that I did every single solitary night along

569
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:00.640
with forgiveness. And what I did is I sat down

570
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:03.440
and along with my list of people I needed to forgive,

571
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.880
I would write down the three things I was most

572
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.160
grateful for that day. It could have just been a

573
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:10.400
hot cup of coffee. Some nights, that's all I was

574
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:15.160
able to do. And that started changing my brain from

575
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:20.079
looking at negativity and seeing the news and CNN and

576
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:22.920
all these horrible things to looking at the world through

577
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.119
a lens of love instead. It allowed me to be

578
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:29.480
grateful for what I had and not mourn what I didn't.

579
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.599
And the forgiveness energy also kind of permeated that. So

580
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:38.160
the tube is a very powerful combination. The forgiveness energy

581
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:40.759
is a real powerful thing. Let me tell you a

582
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.359
little story, and it's one hundred percent true. And yes

583
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:46.000
it's going to stretch some people's brains out. I promise

584
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:51.240
it won't hurt too badly. No, it little brain stretching here.

585
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.559
I sat down and I forgave a level one person

586
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.519
in my life from my childhood, from grammar school. We

587
00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:59.799
were best friends and I couldn't even remember what with

588
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:02.119
the falling out was over. I really couldn't. So I thought,

589
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:04.079
this is an easy person to forgive because I don't

590
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.440
even remember, and I hadn't talked to this person in decades.

591
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.880
So I sat down, I did my mantra forgave her.

592
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:13.480
And if you can't imagine the person in front of you,

593
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:15.039
just put a chair in front of you with their

594
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:16.720
name on it and just talk to the chair. Some

595
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:18.720
people can't imagine it in their eyes. I just talk

596
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.559
to the chair and imagine. I imagined her as she

597
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:24.279
was when I knew her, not as an adult. I

598
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:26.559
want you to think of the person as they looked

599
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:29.359
the last time you saw them. And I forgave her,

600
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:32.480
and I said my mantra, and I forgave myself because

601
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.559
forgiving yourself is important. And then I forgot about it.

602
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:38.240
Two hours later, she calls me up on the phone. Now,

603
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.039
I'm a concierge trainer by trade. I'm retired now, but

604
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:43.279
that's what I used to do. So my concierge training

605
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:46.079
kicked in virtually immediately, and I masked my shop because

606
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:49.160
my jaw dropped to the floor. So we said all

607
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.039
the right things, all the right words, made all the

608
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.240
right noises that people do when they're making up with

609
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.279
each other, and we reminisced, as you know, as one

610
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:58.759
is meant to do. But I couldn't stand it, and

611
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:00.400
I said, you know, I'm a curious little bear. I

612
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.599
have to know why, after all these years, did you

613
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.200
decide to call me today. She said, you know, it's

614
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:09.559
the darnest thing. Two hours ago, which was exactly when

615
00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:12.720
I was saying the mantra, a figurine you gave me

616
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:16.200
in school flew off my shelf landed in the middle

617
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.559
of the floor. I saw it, and I thought, maybe

618
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.000
I should give you a call. Wow, we were seven

619
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:24.640
hundred miles away. So if this forgiveness energy has the

620
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:27.359
power to move a figurine to the middle of the

621
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.720
floor seven hundred miles away, and it has the power

622
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:34.440
to change the water molecules in your body, what do

623
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:36.240
you think it's going to do to your life? Well,

624
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.559
when you practice this, some things are going to happen,

625
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:42.839
and it's just it's just going to happen. Some people

626
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:46.039
will be attracted to you, meaning like energy of tracks

627
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.279
like energy. Some new friends might come into your life.

628
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:52.039
On the other side of the coin, there are people

629
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.279
who will leave. You will find some jack rabbits because

630
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.400
they don't like your energy anymore. You're going to be

631
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:00.480
what we call vibrating differently, which means your energy field

632
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:02.720
is going to change. That's all that means, and so

633
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:04.640
they're gonna be repelled by it, so they're going to leave.

634
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:06.759
I've had some jack rabbits. I've never seen them again,

635
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.720
and we were really close friends and they've just disappeared.

636
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:13.839
Then you've got people who who are going to ride

637
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.240
with you, maybe you live with them, and they're like,

638
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:17.960
how I like what he's doing. I'm just I'm going

639
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.559
to ride along. I'm going to take the chain with you.

640
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.920
But then you're gonna have the people who sabotage you

641
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:26.079
because their friend is gone, the friend they've been living with,

642
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:27.839
the friend they've known all of a sudden now all

643
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.240
of a sudden you're changing. So if they don't decide

644
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.559
to change with you, they're going to try and sabotage it.

645
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.680
So just stay the course, to be honest, stay the

646
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:37.440
course and know you're doing the right thing, because as

647
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.359
you feel better, your world is going to open up,

648
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:44.200
completely open up, and me amazing things are going to happen.

649
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:47.319
Well, and we're talking about the health benefits, but we're

650
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:52.400
also and you're focusing a lot on the emotional, the mindset,

651
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:59.839
the whole inner piece sense of the beings and all.

652
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:01.400
What is that?

653
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.119
How do you describe that to someone who's trying to

654
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.119
figure out how to do this, that here's something that

655
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.440
they can ultimately achieve, not only just help, but here's

656
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.920
the being. That's what I call the being neus of

657
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:15.200
who they can become.

658
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:17.920
Let me tell you a real story. A podcaster. I

659
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:20.759
do a lot of podcasts, and we did the show

660
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:23.920
and I gave the system just like I just did

661
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.279
for you, and she worked the mantra. She bought my book,

662
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:29.640
the ebook, so she could have it immediately. She worked

663
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:31.960
the mantra that night. The next day she was at

664
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.359
a networking function and the wealthiest guy in the town

665
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:37.839
came up to her and said, I like what you're doing,

666
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:39.880
and I want to offer my facility to you free

667
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.759
of church. Okay, the universe when you hit the right button,

668
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:48.240
the universe doesn't delay. Now let me some men will

669
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.000
look at me, not you, But some men have been

670
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:53.400
known to look at me and say, you know, my

671
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:57.359
anger is how I made all this money. It's how

672
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.279
I get out of bed every night. It's it's it's

673
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:04.039
the gasoline to my car. Okay, let's talk about that. Sure,

674
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.599
you've got two elevators. One is an express elevator all

675
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.599
the way to the seventy fifth floor. The other elevator

676
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.920
could have been an express, but some punk kid went

677
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:17.360
in and pushed every single solitary button between one and

678
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:21.199
seventy four. So you get into that local elevator and

679
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:25.239
you have to stop at every single floor. New people

680
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:27.880
come on, people go off. You're going to be bloodied.

681
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.159
You're going to be so irritated. By the time you

682
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:32.000
get to the top floor. You're going to be a

683
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.440
different person, and not in a good way. So you

684
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.920
can still get to where you're going on that local,

685
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:41.039
But wouldn't you rather take the express? The Express is

686
00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:43.840
filled with love and joy. You could take the local

687
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.360
and you'll get there. So they've taken the local train.

688
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:49.519
You'll get there. You won't be happy, but you could

689
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:50.000
get there.

690
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.800
And when you're doing it, the way that you're talking

691
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:57.199
about life happens in a much different positive way. You

692
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.599
just cracked also, And it's not always about money.

693
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.519
It's not always not always about money. It's about feeling.

694
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:06.960
You'll be healthier, coffee is going to smell better. It's

695
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.960
just opportunities are going to find you that didn't find

696
00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:13.800
you before. And why it goes back to if you're

697
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:17.000
so focused on hate and negativity and you're watching the news,

698
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:19.880
no disrespect to the news, but it's very negative, you're

699
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:24.199
going to miss opportunities in around you. And that's what

700
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.320
this system does. It's going to allow you to start

701
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.000
paying attention to the other parts of life that you

702
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:33.159
have just not even don't even know it's there. Well.

703
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.840
And and one thing that I find here in Thailand

704
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.000
and going through a lot of meditation, I haven't done

705
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:42.199
your process yet, so I've get the book and started

706
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.519
doing that. But what I find is just a sense

707
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:49.400
of peace. And you know, and when my kids in

708
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.559
bad bad are you why are you over there and

709
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:55.239
it's like, you know what, I just feel a sense

710
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.079
of peace. I think it's a lot of the culture.

711
00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.519
It's just a lot of those things that just a

712
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:03.760
sense of piece and you can't replace that.

713
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:06.679
No, you can't. We're not meant to live in a

714
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:10.039
refrigerator box on the street. We're not meant to be

715
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:14.519
poor and sick all the time. Our birthright is to

716
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:18.079
live in joy, to live in love, to have prosperity.

717
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:22.760
That's your birthright. And this process is designed and listen,

718
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:25.679
I still have people to forgive, and I wrote the

719
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:28.880
book on it. Humans irritate other humans. When will I

720
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.360
be done with this process? Never? When will I stop

721
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:35.119
doing it before bed? Do I do it absolutely every

722
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.519
night before bed. I've been doing practicing this for a

723
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:40.800
long time. So no, I don't do it every night anymore.

724
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:44.039
I used to. But I always have somebody to forgive.

725
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.559
Somebody cut me off on I ninety five South. There's

726
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:50.599
always somebody to somebody stole my parking space, a memory,

727
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.360
because once you here's the really I've been known to

728
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.840
scream about this one. You get to the center of

729
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.599
your onion, You finally get your number ten person, You

730
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.159
get it on to a forgivable level or a manageable

731
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:03.719
level where they're not in your head all the time.

732
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:06.760
You get your ten down to a four, and you're thinking, okay, now,

733
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.960
you know it's getting better now, and you think I've

734
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.880
finally gotten to the center of my onion. I'm done.

735
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.000
And what happened when I got to the center of

736
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:21.719
my onion? Another damn onion appeared and memories kind of cut.

737
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:25.199
More memories came out. And the more I learned, the

738
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:28.159
more I realize I have to learn. It's just the way.

739
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:33.280
Life is, and it's a process, and sometimes you are

740
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:34.280
your own number ten.

741
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.400
This is the first book of three and the second

742
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:39.159
book is about how to forgive Yourself?

743
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:40.679
And is that coming out?

744
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.960
I'm writing it right now. I'm hoping that it will

745
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:48.159
come out spring summer of next year, That's what I'm hoping.

746
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:51.960
But it's how to forgive Yourself, how to forgive money. Hello,

747
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:54.679
everybody has such a weird relationship with money, and money

748
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.000
is a form of energy, is it not? At least

749
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.639
that's what they say. So that's and the third book

750
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.519
is is that's going to stretch people's brain a little bit.

751
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:05.119
So yeah, the third book is the third book.

752
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.639
So your first books, what's the name of your first book, Lisle,

753
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.119
the audience know exactly what that is, the.

754
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.599
Ultimate Path to Forgiveness, Unlocking your.

755
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:15.360
Power, and how do they find it?

756
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:19.199
The book is on Amazon. You can buy the e book,

757
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.559
the paperback and the audio book. I do understand not

758
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.960
everybody likes to read. And my younger son produced the audiobook,

759
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.519
and we're still talking to each other, so there you go.

760
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:29.119
That's good.

761
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:30.199
Hey.

762
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.400
I have a lot of respect for voiceovers in those

763
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:36.280
animated movies. And I used to think how easy it

764
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.519
was to go into a booth and just read, and no,

765
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:42.719
it's it is really hard. It is not as easy

766
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.400
as you would think. It isn't. So that's why we're

767
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:46.639
still speaking to each other.

768
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:50.519
I love the audio books, and actually there are some

769
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:53.920
now it's a new program from Amazon, and not all

770
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:56.760
of the books that apply, but for some you can

771
00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:02.360
buy the audiobook and the e book together at a

772
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:05.840
different at a lower price. And I have found oftentimes

773
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.960
because I do a lot of audio, I listened to

774
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.320
a lot of audio books. But I have found if

775
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:13.079
it's something like this that every once in a while

776
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:17.039
I want to go back and mark and reaffirm and

777
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.639
really do that. So being able to combine the two

778
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:23.320
I think is absolutely amazing.

779
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:27.119
Yeah, it was. It was fun. We didn't do it

780
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.400
in a professional studio. He had me sitting at a desk,

781
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:34.199
wrapped in a blanket of tpee you know. It was

782
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.960
like a tpie sitting in a thing of blankets. And

783
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.599
when we recorded the Little Bird on your Shoulder, another

784
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:41.639
book that I wrote, he had me do it in

785
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.199
my closet. I was living in another house at the time.

786
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:48.039
And that's because the sound is you don't want it bouncing.

787
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:50.320
If I did an audiobook right here in this office,

788
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:52.719
the sound would be bouncing off the walls. So you

789
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.480
want to be in a very enclosed place. So yeah,

790
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:56.320
oh no, I get it.

791
00:39:56.719 --> 00:40:00.679
My whole wall is sound proved, and yeah, burns over

792
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:03.000
here for Soundproofume. You gotta do that.

793
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:04.199
You gotta do it.

794
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:06.039
How do people find you?

795
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:08.480
You can go to my website at Katherine Giovanni dot

796
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:10.800
com and Katherine, thanks to my mother, is spelled a

797
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.639
little bit odd. It's k A T H A R

798
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:16.679
I an a Giovanni dot com. Thanks mom, You.

799
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.119
Know, yeah, have you forgiven her of that yet?

800
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.559
I have forgiven my mother, absolutely, She's one of the

801
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:27.119
people I've actually been able to toss and forgive completely.

802
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:32.159
Oh that's great. Well, as we closed today, what would

803
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:35.639
be a message that you'd like to ultimately share with

804
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.920
the audience that they will remember.

805
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.719
You are worthy. You are worthy enough to live a

806
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.760
life of joy and happiness. It is your birthright. You

807
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:49.320
are worthy enough to have that house and that relationship

808
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.840
and that dream job. You are worthy and you can

809
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.719
do this. This is this is the this is a

810
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.800
path to out of where you are. It's a path

811
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.880
away from that brick wall you've hit. You are worthy.

812
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:05.679
Three words that I'd just like to leave people.

813
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:09.800
With, lovely, lovely, Well, Catherine, thank you so much. Is

814
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.079
this has been really fascinating. I think we could go

815
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:16.119
on and on and on. There's so many questions I have,

816
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:19.119
but I really appreciate you being on the show.

817
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:21.440
Thanks so much for having me. It was fun.

818
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.400
Yeah, I love it, and folks, thanks for listening. I

819
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:26.880
hope you enjoyed it, and please please go to the

820
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:30.840
website get that book. This is a fascinating approach that

821
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:33.519
can make a difference in all of our lives as

822
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:36.920
we follow it. So this is doctor Doug saying no

823
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:37.480
mistake