Dec. 4, 2024

The Trauma Code; Uncover the Hidden Map to Your Life’s True Purpose, A Liberated Life

The Trauma Code; Uncover the Hidden Map to Your Life’s True Purpose, A Liberated Life

A unique approach to understanding why we experience life as we do and how to consciously change our lives movie if we are not experiencing the true joy and peace that each of us deserves.
Elijah Nisenboim will discuss his own journey and the unique...

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A unique approach to understanding why we experience life as we do and how to consciously change our lives movie if we are not experiencing the true joy and peace that each of us deserves.
Elijah Nisenboim will discuss his own journey and the unique breathing technique that not only helped him, but has helped thousands of others through his guidance.
www.effijibreath.com

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At the end of the day, it's not about what

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you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what

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you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,

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who you've made better. It's about what you've given back.

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Denzel Washington, welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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to do the same.

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Elijah Who, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Hey,

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I'm really excited.

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You know, it's interesting, as I've interviewed a number of

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different people, I find it's fascinating that each individual has

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a slightly different approach to certain topics, which is going

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to be an interesting topic today. What I'd love for

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you to do is share with the audience, how do

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you get to this point in your life.

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What is your story?

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What is that background that brought you to where you

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are now and what you're doing for people?

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Well, first we'd have to identify what point in the

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story I'm at. So that's an interesting thought. I'm still

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here turning sixty one in December. I assume you're just

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talking about one's personal development and what they've done with

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their life. Is that what you mean?

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Yeah? Yeah, I mean what brought you to that point?

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Well, I would just say that I don't know if

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I'm unusual, but I mean when I talk to other people,

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maybe sounds unusual. But really, from the moment I got

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to this place, I was always sort of thinking about

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why I was here and what my what my purpose was.

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I didn't remember some of my first thoughts when I

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was three years old, just being like what am I

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doing here? So when you know, music was sort of

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my first gateway to inspiration and you know, a sense

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of connection to the universe. And I you know, I

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still play music all the time, but I was in

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the music business in my twenties. And I tell this

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story actually in my in my recent book. You know,

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I was playing in this piano bar I had piano

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teachers used to hit my hands with a ruler and

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so little bit of trauma there, like I want to

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express but got in trouble, you know, didn't practice, of course.

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But when I became a musician, I had this kind

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of this terror. When I was in front of people,

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I would close up, my hands would get cold. There

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was this massage place next door to where I was

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playing in this piano bar, and I made friends with

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the woman and then she was moving to California. I

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lived in Canada at the time, and she said, look, I,

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you know, put stuff in storage. I'll give you a massage.

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And I thought, you know, broke musicians. Sure, she well,

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why don't you try this breathwork thing that my husband does.

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And I said, it sounds like work, but okay. And

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that one experience I was in my mid twenties. It

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I mean, I can't even to this day, I kind

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of can't believe like that changed the trajectory of my

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life because I've been doing breath work for thirty five years.

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And they moved to San Francisco and I came out

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for training. I sort of fell in love with the

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Bay area, and then I I moved out here and

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my life of helping people with their you know, their

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path releasing trauma. Well, the thing about the plant the

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hands was that when I did the breath work I

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had the most craziest intense pain in my hands. But

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after that day, my creativity opened up and I was

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feeling much freer. So it was sort of a sign

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to me. And I think I've had this sort of

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dual path between which most people who help others do,

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like between my work on myself, you know, to try

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to make my own life better and helping people. But

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I've probably done breathwork with twenty thousand people. I've given

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more than fifteen thousand private sessions of just sometimes breathwork talking.

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I've traveled traveled the North America pretty much non stop

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till the pandemic, leading workshops and trainings and stuff. So yeah,

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that's it. I'll maybe mention one other thing, which is

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that in nineteen ninety nine I met this man named

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George Shu, Chinese man in San Francisco who I started

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to learn marshall internal martial arts from, and I went

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to him for good fifteen years, and then he took

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a group of people over to China and had some

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of the last great living masters of tai Chi and

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these forms, and I fell in love with China and

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I started going there. I went there twenty one times,

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started Mandarin, and really penetrated that world and that subject.

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So my work kind of has two parts. One is

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trauma release breath work, you know, connecting to who you are,

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and then using movement, which is really from all this

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internal martial arts from Taoism, and using that to help

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retrain habit patterns in the body mind to so people

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can fulfill their life purpose.

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Wow.

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You know, I certainly have heard a lot about breath work,

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and I assume that there's some meditation in that, But

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the body movement that's fascinating to me also, and I've

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not heard much about that.

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So hopefully we can spend a little bit of time.

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Talking about that. So let's talk about the breath work.

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You know, there's so many people that talk about breath

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work and particularly meditation, and you know, you have different types.

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What is it about the breath work that you promote

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and why is it different than others that people talk

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about in the meditative state.

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That's a good question. Let's just define a couple of

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things like what is breath work, yes and all, and

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also what is meditations because people think of that in

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different ways, But breath work it's kind of generic breath

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and work. But if you think about it, all of

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your internal organs, they're you're you're an animal, You're they're unconscious.

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You can't make your liver do something where the animal

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in us will just live no matter what they Those

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your organs just operate by themselves, but the lungs have

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this unique capability of being able to be operated manually

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or automatic. The choice to breathe is really what breath

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work is. It's that it's choose, it's conscious breathing. So

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if you think about breathing through the nose or breathing

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through the mouth, the left side, the right side, holding

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the breath, that's almost every breath work technique that that exists.

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And in some ways, breath work is probably older than meditations,

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probably the oldest practice on the planet. And I think

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its power is that if breath is life because you

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can't live without it, then what you're trying to access

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inside of oxygen. Oxygen isn't God, but you can't live

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without oxygen, but inside oxygen is the life force. Energy

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what they call chi or prana, and you're trying to

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extract the power of the universe that gives you life

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through a conscious breathing. And the metaphor to me is

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that you can be an animal and unconscious and just

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live your life and not think about it and you'll

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still be alive. Just go to your job and do

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your thing or whatever. But you have a podcast because

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people think about choosing a better life. So when you

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choose to breathe, it's like you're choosing to be more conscious.

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You're choosing to be more aware, and that in breath

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takes you on a journey back into your inner world,

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into your unconscious. So every breathwork technique has its different values.

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And the one that I do, figy e f fi Ji,

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comes from a style or a family of mouth breathing

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practices that go back five thousand years and it's basically

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consciously hyperventilating. And I can demonstrate if you want.

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Absolutely and for those that are listening with the ideal,

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they'll hear you. For those that are launching the video,

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they'll see you.

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Yeah. And we just only two months ago I put

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up a video, a three minute video that people can

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do with me guided of the practice. I've been very

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it's a very powerful, potentially dangerous practice if unguided, because

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we do it for an hour, so I've been reticent

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to there's reasons that it is one hour, but this

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three minute practice, anybody can do it. It's on my website.

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So I'm just going to turn on my original sound

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or you won't hear me breathing. But if your echo,

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you may want to mute yourself. Okay, So it goes

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like this. You're breathing in the center of the chest,

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mouth open about two fingers wide and all focused on

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the inhale, so inhale mouth and like this, and we

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breathe like that for one hour without stopping.

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Wow. Yeah, I shouldn't even imagine what that does to you.

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Well, the first few minutes are you know, it's a

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lot of sensation and you're laying on your back, so

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it's it's safe that way if you get dizzy or whatever.

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But you basically enter an altered state and all the

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material of your life that's been unresolved, which is basically

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what trauma is. It starts to the journey in that

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in breath starts to like take you toward that place

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and you start to release energy. It's very powerful. I'll

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add one last saying, just meditation. If you think of

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meditation the possunas watching the breath, like so you know,

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if you watch your breath, you don't identify with the

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mind going off or whatever. In that way, this is

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similar to a meditation practice because a lot of stuff

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comes up when you're breathing, and the idea is just

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keep breathing. And a lot of people who've done meditation

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why one student, a young man who said this was

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meditation on steroids, Because if you're just sitting watch your breath,

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you're doing nothing and it's not active. But when you

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breathe like that, so much flashes comes up when you're breathing.

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It's physical, mental, emotional, it's everything, and.

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It just naturally happens.

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Yeah, and I think that's the democracy of It's what

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I love about the practice, why it's stuck with me

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so long. You don't have to be intelligent or spiritual,

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or developed, or even healthy or young. If you just

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breathe within two minutes, then you know, people do my

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three minute thing on the site. You'll get the beginnings

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of the practice. You'll feel you'll feel both the exhilaration

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and the resistance, because you know, I said to an hour,

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and for thirty five years, I look at people's faces

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like yours, like an hour. Hell, I am I going

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to do for an hour, But believe it or not,

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you can and it takes you on quite a journey,

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you know.

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And so as you say, and I think this is

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important for the audience to hear and understand.

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This is not something.

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They do on their own for an hour because it

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could be potentially dangerous.

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Is that kind of what you're saying.

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Yeah, you know, yes, I am saying that. I'll say

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to two things. Hyper this is conscious hyperventilation. And I

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have I have doctors my family. I'm almost a pharmacist.

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I had a center in San Francisco next to the hospitals,

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and doctors would always talk to me about the negatives

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of hyperventilation. When somebody starts to hyperventilate, it's an involuntary,

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unconscious response to memory, like a trauma that's coming up

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and you start to do this thing. But this is

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a conscious choice. So that's very different. And the purpose

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of the facilitator, which is one thing that sets us

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apart from some of the other famous techniques or breath

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work is that the role of the facilitator is so

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important to give you safe passage because you're in an

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altered state and it's a lot of memory, and sometimes

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people get things come up and they don't know that

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it's not real, that it's just memory. So the facilitator's

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role is to make sure that you're safe and that

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you release it so that you feel exhilarated, so that

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you you know, you're not carrying around sort of your

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your energy stuck. So, yes, the facilitator is important. So

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so is it kind of and so is the waiver

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you have it? Yeah, yeah, I'll bet you have a

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guided meditation.

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there observing and then when you see things start to

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lots of facilitators. Everybody has their unique gift. If somebody

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is a body worker, they may have a real ability

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with touch during it. So but for me, there's no rules.

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I'm trying to I'm trying to be available to help

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that person, and there's everything that's I see is a

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guess in a way, because it's all happening in their

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inner life. But I mean, of course, if somebody's car eying,

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or when I first breathe the first time, my hands

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were all curled up in a ball like what, you

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wouldn't have known that. I had piano teachers who hit

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my hands. So I'm sometimes it's I'm talking or touched.

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But at its best, what's empowering about the practice is

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the breath. You do the work, so the breath brings

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up what's there and you release it, so you feel

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the empowerment of having taken yourself into the transformation. And

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this way it's very different than things like plant medicine,

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which a lot of people in the US, you know,

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and people talk about because but that's something you take

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externally that takes you on a journey. This is you

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doing the work. So at my best, I'm not going

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to do anything. I'm just gonna hold space. But that

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almost never happens. Even just to tell someone you're doing

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great is helpful, just to know that there's somebody objectively

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holding the space. So and also probably most importantly my thing,

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and there are six stages of effigy breathwork, as I

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see it, and I have music for each stage, and

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I've composed all the music. If you go on the

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streaming services, I have twenty five one hour volumes of

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music going back with fifteen years. So I've created a

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whole genre of music that its purpose is not for

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you to almost notice it, but it to help the

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process along and evoke, you know, kind of resonate with

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the stages of it. So the music is one of

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And I listened to some of it, and I found

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it fascinating because initially I was anticipating. I went to

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your website, so you know, I was looking at all

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that stuff, thank you and appreciate it. And as I

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started to listen, my first anticipation because I try to

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meditate every day.

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I don't always get that in, but usually.

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to music, or I listen to meditative type of things.

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your music is entirely different from that, and I found

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that fascinating. I found it fascinating. So that's there just

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to help them along with the breath work, and it's

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not necessarily self veggio frequencies or chanting or anything else.

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entirely different approach.

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checking it out because to do lots of podcasts and

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not everybody has has any. I mean, I think our

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sub our subject interest is probably similar. So it's not

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new age music, it's not meditation music. It's not specifically

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spiritual music like chanting, although I study Indian classical music

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raga for many years with the very famous jazz musician

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Terry Riley, and so sometimes Indian music gets into what

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I'm doing. But I was also a rock music musician

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in the Six stages. Some of it is super rhythmic,

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some of it's very more emotional dramatic, so has a

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more of a filmy quality. Some of it is just

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like a rising up kind of bringing helping people to

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go to that level. Like when people don't remember the music,

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I know I succeeded because it's supposed to draw you

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into yourself. Before I started creating my own music, twenty twelve.

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The things I would use. One example would be Philip Glass.

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you know he well, Terry Riley invented minimalist classical music

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or pattern music that Philip Glass came out of. Philip

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glass music is like very repetitive, but he calls it

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like mining an underground stream, and to me, life is

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like that. It's like very very small changes. And so

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I would use his music because it almost like sucks

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you under and there's you're not really noticing it, but

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you're kind of moving with it. And so a lot

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of my music, like you don't hear like in a

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film score a big crash and here's the drama. It's

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not narrating, it's trying to get you to be inside

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of the river you're in, wherever you're in with that.

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So sometimes I'm matching the music, and that's what all

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that stuff I have is for. And some of it's

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exalting and celebratory. It's different stages of the practice.

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Well, let's talk about your Lateis book The Trauma Code, Okay, and.

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I never read here.

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You know, as you get into that, what is the

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main point of the book, And what are you trying

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to accomplish for people that are reading? What is the

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outcome that you seek for them?

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Yeah, Well, over the years of working with people, what

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I noticed is that the place that people are suffering

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is so close to their superpowers, their great greatest gifts.

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And I say that you're born with a unique in

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original configuration, like an acorn that wants to become an

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oak tree. And when you have trauma, which are just

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the unresolved events of the past, big or small by

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the way, like it doesn't have to be like abuse

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or something, your energy gets stuck and the trajectory of

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your life changes and it's harder to fulfill that. So

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there's the adverse effects of trauma. But the value of

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trauma I see it as compost in the garden, not garbage,

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meaning that if you can unlock the energy, it has

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something to do with the fulfillment of this life purpose

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of this acorn becoming an oak tree. So what I

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call the trauma code, which is the name of the book,

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is that you're like you're trying to swipe your phone

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to unlock it, Like you have to get the value

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the lesson of trauma in order to fulfill your life purpose.

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So trauma has a value and I can see that

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this configuration most definitely inside the breath work and what

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I my main message in the book is twofold. There's

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certain specific effects of trauma, and they are false interpretation

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of reality. Through the lens of trauma. You see things incorrectly.

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And the other is you're adverse to feeling You're adverse

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to just feeling emotion. But the other main message is

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that trauma isn't just garbage to be gotten rid of.

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It has something to do with why you're here. And

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when you can unlock the energy of trump instead of

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living in the adverse effects of it, it becomes part

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of the fulfillment of your life purpose.

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Okay, I want to get into this a little bit

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more because I find this fascinating. So, you know, and

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as you define trauma, you're not talking necessarily about the

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heavy trauma that we hear about a lot, you know, physical.

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Emotional, all of that.

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But as you as you said so often as a child,

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you know, for instance, you know, I'm growing up and

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my dad makes a comment and he's trying to help me,

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but my perception is is that he's criticizing me that he's.

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Saying to me, maybe he was, Yeah, maybe he was.

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And so he's saying, you know what, You're no good,

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You're not any good. And what I have observed over

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the years, knowing for myself, but as I've done a

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lot of these interviews from people who have experienced it.

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And then have come out of it are now trying.

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To up other people with that, is that it affects

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their lives in a negative way. Oftentimes that trauma or

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those negative experiences or subconscious you know, whatever you want

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to call it, the triggers will literally cause them to

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make choices to go in a certain direction, and they're

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realizing at some point in time that they really are

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not experiencing the life that they want to live, that

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they're not really fulfilling their purpose, so on and so forth.

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So for me, what's curious, and it brings some other

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things to my mind that I'm not going to get

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into right yet. But as you talk about those experiences

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with trauma whatever it happens to be, and perceptions that

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we have as individuals that can be different, how on

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earth does that help someone to understand and become a

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positive aspect in their life and help them in their purpose.

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So is there an example that you can share of

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a specific of a specific trauma that you worked with

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with someone and how that how you are able to

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help them to move that from a negative to a

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positive situation.

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Well, you said a lot, So let's just side back. No, no, no,

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that's good. It's good. And I'm interested in the place

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where you were smiling and said I'm not going to

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get into that because I know there's something interesting there.

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A part of me wants to say, let's talk about

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whatever it is you didn't want to talk about, But

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let me just say there's trauma and conditioning, and conditioning

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is like a drip drip day to day. So if

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you're you know, you're you want to be a stewardess

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and your your father says you can only be uh

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a secretary. Yeah, I want to you know, you want

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to be an airline pilot and your father says you

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can only be a stewardess. Like there's this slow drip

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of conditioning, both within family and community and society that

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tells you that dissuades you out of being who you

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really are. And some of that even as just tribal

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like to survive you've got to fit in a certain way,

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and I think that is in more insidious and also

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very harmful. Just what you were talking about if your

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father said something so all of I don't think there's

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a human being that's not affected by traum and conditioning either,

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just because it doesn't matter what happened, it's how you

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felt about it. So if you felt criticized, Let's say

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you were I don't know, left in your crib for

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an extra ten minutes and you thought you were going

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to die or something like. It's it's not necessarily about

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the judgment of bad things doing things, bad people doing

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things to people. So but I think your question is

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how is that a good thing? It's that if I

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were to summarize what you're asking and like, how can

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and can I give you an example so the twenty

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thousand people like, I mean, I could just pick out it.

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I could be generic, or I could even speak about myself.

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Here's an interesting one. I I got in a lot

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of trouble for I'm as sagittarius. If you're astrologic familiar,

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I speak truth. And I was a very curious little boy,

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and I just triggered the crap out of my mother

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for sure, like just my general nature was irritating her

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because I was very exploratory and like I quickly learned,

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and she was volatile, so I quickly learned, and she

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was abusive with my brother. So I was like, okay,

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I'm not gonna I don't want to get abuse. So

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I became kind of very shy, very quiet, and I

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didn't talk. And you can see I'm now, I'm I'm

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annoying how much I at least my kids tell me that,

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but but I so I didn't speak, and when I did,

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I was always reading around me what was the right

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and wrong thing to say. So my real truth was

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always sort of behind the lines. And in a way,

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you know, my life purpose is very much to communicate

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a truth to people. My business partner, Sarah says, I

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live on Mole Hill Mountain. If I'm working with somebody

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and they say something and I see something interesting and

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something they're just passing over, I'll stop and like a

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dog with a bone, I'll just stay with the detail

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that because my attention and my ability now is the

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places that I was so uncomfortable because I didn't want

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to trigger someone else's upset is exactly what I'm comfortable with,

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and it's a gift I have is just to be

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able to slow down, which most people don't do, and

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be and to be uncomfortable and be with things, whether

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they're popular or not. And I just wrote this in

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a newsletter. My mom passed in twenty ten. We healed up,

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we had we had a very good relationship at the end.

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But whenever I was in those trauma patterns, I was

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super forgetful, always losing stuff. And anyway we were on

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our way to the funeral, I in mad dash wrote

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my little eulogy and left it in the limo. And

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when I got up in front of people to give

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the eulogy by my mom, I had to do the

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very thing that I got in trouble for, which was

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improvise in the moment and speak truthfully from my heart,

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which and so I just got up and I had

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this revelation. I just told the people that were there

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00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:44.000
that this was the difficulty, this was the thing between

463
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.640
my mother and I, and that in a way, she

464
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.200
trained me for the life that I was meant to live,

465
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.319
which was to help people see very uncomfortable truths and

466
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:59.960
be able to be open and say things regardless of

467
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:04.440
its popularity. And I think that would be that would

468
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:06.400
be one example. But if I'll just say one of

469
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:12.839
the things, just a garden variety thing, is I mean,

470
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:16.279
you're a doctor, right, I was a dentist for years. Yes,

471
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:21.279
so you're a dentist. Okay, Well, it's just I'm thinking

472
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:26.759
about how people enter into service industries to help other

473
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.960
people and then get kind of pulled into different kinds

474
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:38.160
of bureaucracy and bullshit and and you. And the thing is,

475
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.640
you think you're trying to help society, and then you

476
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:44.319
find out that that, like this, society wants you to

477
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:47.440
do it a certain way, and your ability to pull

478
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.960
away from it often is in a way to reclaim

479
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:56.119
the very sort of what's word I'm looking for, Like

480
00:29:57.079 --> 00:29:59.160
there's a way in which our parents are our first

481
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.279
institution and we try to please them, and like when

482
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:05.920
you step away from that, you realize that you were sorry.

483
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.200
I have a better example forgive me for rambling. Your

484
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:12.000
life is like a movie. If there was no conflict

485
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.200
and no adversity to get over, then we wouldn't watch it.

486
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.160
So the things that happen at the beginning of your

487
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:22.519
life give you the motivation the fuel to like to

488
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:25.599
have that thing at the end credits where he's driving

489
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.680
on the highway and he feels like he's finally figured

490
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.359
out and he's free or whatever. I think that's what

491
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:35.279
we're all doing. We're all overcoming the adversity of the

492
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:38.759
things that we felt harmed by when we were young.

493
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:42.279
But we have to be willing to experience them in

494
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.599
order to release them. That's what I do with breathwork.

495
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.279
Well, and you know, as fascinating and as I said,

496
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.200
something that came to my mind as I watched different

497
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.079
social media and I watch because I'm on it, and

498
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.240
I kind of get a kick of doing that. You know,

499
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.960
I shouldn't do that, but I do. And it's more

500
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:04.799
of an observation that I find is there's so much victimhood.

501
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:10.279
Whether it's about the country, whether it's about politics, whether

502
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:14.000
it's about religion, whatever it is, there's so much victimhood

503
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:18.240
that comes across and oftentimes, you know, I hear people

504
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.039
will say, you know, why would God let this happen

505
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:25.720
to me? And when you were talking about the fact

506
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:30.720
that all of our experiences, if we somehow are able

507
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:35.640
to move them into a different level of awareness, they

508
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:40.480
become the very strength that helps us to fulfill life purposes.

509
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:44.319
You absolutely got it right. I don't think there's such

510
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:47.359
an I think the idea of victim is a lie.

511
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:51.240
It doesn't exist. You create your own reality, and whether

512
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.480
you know it or not, you certainly create it by

513
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:58.240
your just your attitude and reaction to anything in any situation.

514
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:03.519
But if you have something to fulfill this life and

515
00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:06.640
you've come to do it, every experience in your life

516
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.160
is trying to help you to do that, even the

517
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.480
terrible ones that you don't like. And when you come

518
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:15.759
to discover this not just as an idea but an

519
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:20.559
actual truth inside you, you realize you're never the victim.

520
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:25.720
Is the idea that you have no choice or agency. Now,

521
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:30.960
as a child, of course, you're still unconscious, so your

522
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.640
soul chooses the life that you're having, but you can't

523
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:37.319
really control those things that happen to you. But as

524
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:41.279
an adult, because there's no children probably listening to our podcast,

525
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:45.720
your podcast, But as an adult, everything that you have

526
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.920
you have a choice in. And so to say that

527
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:55.480
you're a victim of something is taking away your responsibility,

528
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:58.960
but your agency to do something about the life that

529
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.480
you have and you can see that people often with

530
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:05.680
the worst things have done them. Nelson Mandela is in

531
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:11.079
prison for almost thirty years. Like you know, people who complain,

532
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:13.480
which I think is sort of what you're talking about.

533
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:16.680
It's a complaint. You're saying, I got a complaint about life.

534
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.759
If you do that, you're inherently being in the negative.

535
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:21.720
You're not saying, this is what I want to create,

536
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.240
this is where I want to go. Your life purpose

537
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:26.839
is somewhere you want to go. And trauma makes you

538
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.680
have the attitude that somehow you're not in control of

539
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:31.319
it when.

540
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:39.599
You are well and oftentimes and I'm fascinated by, you know, personalities,

541
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:43.400
I'm fascinated by emotional levels of awareness and so forth.

542
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.119
And I watch this and I see people that are

543
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.559
stuck in anger. They're just stuck there and they don't

544
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:50.799
seem to be able to get out.

545
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.880
Here's my question for I've never been stuck in anger. No, no,

546
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:56.200
never had a problem with that.

547
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.160
You should watch me trying to communicate with the type

548
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.240
people here and get frustrated because I don't speak tired

549
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:04.640
and they don't speak English.

550
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.039
But anyway, if you want to know how someone is

551
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.519
with anger, just watch them when they're driving.

552
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.199
Yes, so here's the question.

553
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.360
You know, people go through their lives and as you say,

554
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:21.119
I love the movie aspect of this, you know, people

555
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:26.320
have got a life movie and so often that movie

556
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:31.480
in their life, they never really are aware or they

557
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.639
have not become aware that you know what, I can

558
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.760
change this. I do not have to suffer. I do

559
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:41.880
not have to experience this negativity. What have you found

560
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:45.239
or some of the key elements to help someone to

561
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:50.480
be able to have some signposts that they can look

562
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:52.840
at as they're listening to this and go, oh, you

563
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.920
know what, Yeah, I'm experiencing that, and yes, I'm experiencing this,

564
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.960
and all of a sud An awareness comes about within

565
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:05.599
their mind to where they realize that, you know what

566
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:09.320
I need to make a change number one and number two,

567
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:10.960
I can make a change.

568
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.559
Well, if people are listening to the podcast. This is

569
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:18.880
one step which is just knowledge and information. But the

570
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:23.119
challenge of knowledge and information on its own is that

571
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:28.719
we're already traumatized from having been trained to make our minds,

572
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:32.519
our linear minds, the most powerful aspect of life. And

573
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.679
then you get rewarded for how much stuff you can

574
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:39.800
learn and regurgitate and in a way. It keeps people

575
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.440
in the same matrix that they don't even it keeps

576
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.679
you unconscious. You use the word awareness, So I think

577
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:49.440
it's really important to identify what are we looking for.

578
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:54.079
I think we're looking to me. I say, there's and

579
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:56.280
I write this in my book, there's four levels of

580
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:58.920
the mind. Because the body mind is a mind too,

581
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:06.320
so we have different processes, you know, thinking processes, if

582
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.920
you will. But the soul, the higher self, the thing

583
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.559
that's come to live this life. You have to get

584
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.119
connected to it. That has to be step one because

585
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.440
if you're trying to live your life solely from the

586
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:22.239
linear mind, information is not going to transform you except

587
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:27.280
at the very very beginning. You have to have visceral

588
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:32.079
even you know, universe is creative like that's you have

589
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:34.920
to have experiences in life that give you that like

590
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:41.599
momentary realization. So I say it's like a three legged stool. One.

591
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:47.000
You have to have a practice of some kind and

592
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.119
you can't be compulsion. You can't shouldn't do a practice

593
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:52.880
that you hate. If you don't like meditating, don't meditate

594
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.719
because you know it's not that fun. I mean sitting

595
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.760
doing nothing and watching your breath is is not for

596
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:01.920
the faint of heart in a way because people are

597
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:05.440
you know so, but having a practice. If you want

598
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.920
to get better at tennis, you're going to have to practice.

599
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:12.960
But if you really if you won the high school

600
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.920
tennis tournament, but you want to play in Wimbledon, you're

601
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:19.880
going to need a teacher. So too is have a guide,

602
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:27.480
have somebody who's knows more than you about the subject

603
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:32.320
that you're studying. So if I have a teacher who

604
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:35.760
calls it the spiritual gym, like, what are you going

605
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.599
to do in the spiritual gym? So you pick the

606
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.840
thing that will help you to gain better awareness, and

607
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:47.320
then you find somebody to help you see about yourself

608
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:50.320
what you can't see. I mean, this is all I've

609
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.480
been doing my adult life with others. But also I

610
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:59.440
have teachers and have had teachers. So you're and then

611
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.840
practice every day whatever it is because you can't. It's

612
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:07.239
one thing to have a realization that's not going to

613
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.440
just change your life in that moment. It might change

614
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:14.119
the direction of your life, but you have to live it.

615
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:19.480
The thing that I had said earlier about movement and

616
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:24.639
why I use movement, is that trauma is like is

617
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:28.880
like a static state. It's your energy in a certain state.

618
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.239
But when you're we're not static. We're moving through life.

619
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:36.199
So you have all these unconscious habit patterns when you

620
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:40.039
go to fulfill your life. So if you have a practice,

621
00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:44.039
you also have to do the practice out in your life.

622
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:48.960
And that's I use movement for that with people because

623
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:54.280
I love internal you know, it's based on Taoism ten animals.

624
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:58.480
So these practices are to teach you how to be

625
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.800
authentic in your life. So I'm seeing three things. Have

626
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:05.119
a practice, have a teacher, and go out into the

627
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:09.599
marketplace and practice, go out into life, and try to

628
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:15.159
be that practice in your life. Well, and my favorite topic,

629
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:16.239
that's why I can.

630
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:18.119
Yeah, and I think you hit it on the head.

631
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:21.239
You know, we've got we've got to decide that we're

632
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:23.119
actually going to do something about it.

633
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:26.880
And that's as people are watching your podcast that they

634
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.199
are those people, right.

635
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:28.960
Yeah.

636
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.239
So so here's my question with what you're doing. Okay,

637
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:35.760
And and I find it fascinating. Do people get to

638
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:39.159
a point where you've worked with them and you know,

639
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:41.760
I don't know how many sessions you would need to

640
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:43.840
work with someone, but do they get to the point

641
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:47.440
where they're able to lie down and do that figy

642
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:51.679
breath work on their own without your guidance, or do

643
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:53.639
they constantly need to be with you.

644
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:58.760
Well, you they there's complexity what you said, there's three things.

645
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:04.320
First of all, with the breathwork itself. Yes, it's rigorous

646
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:07.360
and challenging to breathe full for an hour without stopping

647
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:09.920
because of the nature of trauma, and that's why you

648
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.719
do it. Eventually you can some people can do it

649
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.119
very at the very beginning, and then as they get going,

650
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:21.280
it gets harder. But there is a certain amount of

651
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.440
it and a certain amount of the breath work you

652
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:27.800
can do, and then you're mostly cleared of like big traumas,

653
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.480
and then it does sort of become more like a meditation.

654
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:37.039
If somebody's becoming a facilitator of the breath work, like

655
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:41.639
I'm training them in a program, it's a nine month program.

656
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:43.960
They at some.

657
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.800
Point around six months in one of their pieces of

658
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:48.840
homework is to go lay down and breathe on their

659
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:54.400
own by themselves. So yes to that. I don't. I've

660
00:40:54.440 --> 00:41:02.079
had people I've worked with like being a guy, beings

661
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:05.519
people's guides, like I've had relationships over many, many years,

662
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.880
and sometimes someone just meets me once. But working with

663
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:12.199
me privately isn't so much what I'm doing now. I'm

664
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:16.639
more in group work with little bits of private work.

665
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:23.320
So but you know, I love to work with people,

666
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:28.599
but the individual work part of me breathworks still not

667
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:32.440
in the mainstream. And I had a vision thirty years ago.

668
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:35.960
I saw myself at Madison Square Gardens breathing ten thousand people,

669
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:40.079
and I'm not going to I would like to see

670
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:45.880
breath work become as mainstream as yoga did. And if

671
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.800
I keep just one to one to one to one

672
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.079
and not so much so I don't do is that

673
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:56.320
much as much private work as I used to. So

674
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:58.800
I have programs all the time going on.

675
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.039
Is it a daily practice or is it something you

676
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.639
do each week or is it you can do?

677
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.480
You can do a lot of it if you're willing

678
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.840
to be in the sea change of what happens, because

679
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:17.440
it will accelerate your karma, it will accelerate your lessons

680
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:21.119
in your life. So if your life is really let's

681
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.360
say you're in the you know, a long term marriage

682
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:26.639
with lots of problems and all you know, like it

683
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:31.039
could collapse, your life because it's a mysterious practice, how

684
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:36.079
it affects the your magnetism, your outer life. Like you

685
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:38.480
might breathe and then you're someone who doesn't talk to

686
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:40.360
you in twenty years calls you out of the blue.

687
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:42.800
It's got a bit of that quality to it. But

688
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.000
it really brings up a lot and you have to

689
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:48.320
integrate those changes. So you only want to do as

690
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:51.480
much as you can handle. So sometimes if people are

691
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:54.559
in a bad way and a lot of urgent stuff,

692
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:56.480
doing a lot of it is great because they're just

693
00:42:56.559 --> 00:43:01.079
gonna make it better. But if you're slow going in

694
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:05.079
a huge bureaucracy of your life that you're at the

695
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:09.039
center of, maybe once week or once a month. Yeah,

696
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:13.039
I myself breathe some every day. I don't need to

697
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:15.639
breathe for an hour. I just like it, So do

698
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.960
I do some myself. I have not breathed in probably

699
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:23.519
seven years. Wow, Even if I get up at three

700
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:25.280
in the morning, go to the airport, I breathe because

701
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:27.840
it just it just keeps my pipes clean.

702
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:29.079
That's great.

703
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And you know, as we're coming to a close here,

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how do people find you? Because obviously people that are

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listening are going to want to at least get to

706
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your website and maybe even see what you offer.

707
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Yeah, and I have a partner he named Sarah Charmoli.

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She sort of administrates but also a teacher. But if

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you Effigy Breath e f Fiji Effigybreadth dot com is

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my website if you just click the contact link. If

711
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you want to speak to me directly, send me a message.

712
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I'm totally happy to hear from other humans. And you

713
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know there's I have a newsletter. It goes out almost

714
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every day. If you don't want to hear from me

715
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that much, that don't subscribe. You will be annoyed. I

716
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have my book. There is like this, this we every

717
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we pop up virtual breaths. Now it's not on a schedule.

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Next year, I'm doing a year a year long personal

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development program and facilitator training, so there's like something for

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every level.

721
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Yeah, okay, And as we close, what would be the

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message that you'd like to share with the audience that

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they can remember.

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Every human being has a unique energetic configuration. That is

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your life purpose. It's who you're meant to become, and

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all the things that we are doing in our life,

727
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even the mistakes we're making in the process, are some

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part of us that's trying to fulfill that. Don't give

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up on yourself because that potential is there even in

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the most difficult of circumstances. That acorn is trying to

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become an oak tree at all times.

732
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Oh wonderful, Elijah. This has been fascinating. I appreciate so much.

733
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And I'm going to get your book. Is it not

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audible or is it strictly it is unaudible?

735
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Yeah, and Spotify and and Amazon and my website.

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So perfect perfect. Hey, well, thanks so much.

737
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I really really enjoyed talking with you.

738
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Oh I enjoy this. This was great and we could

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go on for hours, I think.

740
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But are you a Sagittarius? I know I'm an Aries,

741
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so I'm okay. It's the fire, That's how I feel.

742
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Yes, there you go.

743
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Anyway, Thanks so much, and folks, thanks for listening. I

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hope you enjoyed this and look forward to having you

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join us again soon. This is doctor Doug saying no

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mistay