April 7, 2026

The Healing Power of Singing Bowls & Mantra

The Healing Power of Singing Bowls & Mantra
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Former opera singer and sound healer Denise Mihalik reveals how chanting, singing bowls, and simple humming can calm the nervous system, soften grief, and open the heart. She shares powerful stories—from personal loss to clients’ emotional and physical healing—plus practical ways you can use sound as self-directed therapy at home. www.soundawakenings.com

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At the end of the day, it's not about what

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you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what

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you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,

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who you've made better. It's about what you've given back

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Thanzel Washington, welcome to inspire vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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to do the same.

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Denise welcome.

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It's great to be here.

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Hey, I am so excited about this. I've had a

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chance to read your website and Ashley, download some of

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your music, your mantras and so forth, and I have

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to tell you and let the audience know that the

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minute I started listening to them, it was just like,

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oh man, this is amazing. And I I meditate, I

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try to meditate every day, one way or the other.

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And usually if I'm doing a walking meditation, I listen

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to music and special you know whatever for meditation, and yours.

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Just struck me so strong.

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It was just amazing. So I downloaded everything I could

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find anyway, So get started here. I'd love for you

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the audience, to share with the audience your story what

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you don't go back as far as you need to

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go back, but what brought you to this point.

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Where you're doing what you're doing now.

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And is that what you always did or is this

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a journey that you went on that brought you to

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this point.

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Oh that's a big question. I know you what you

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said about my music, it's I do hope that it

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gives people opportunity needed to exhale. I tried to keep spacious,

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spaciousness in that, and oh that warms my heart.

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You know.

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I think I consider myself right now a sound explorer.

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I've worn the label of opera singer, voice teacher, sound

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healing practitioner, singing bowl person. But it did start at

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a very young age exploring the sounds of nature. Really,

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I grew up close to a river and whenever I

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could get to the ocean. I remember I was a

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very shy child, and I would sing to the ocean.

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I would sing with the river, and that is where

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I would manifest my dreams in my heart. And it

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changed a little bit when I started singing for others,

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because others, particularly my early music teachers, didn't think I

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had any talent, said not to bother auditioning for the

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high school choir, you wouldn't make it. And I there

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was something in my heart that just pushed through. And

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the beauty is that a person who took me on

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as their voice student took me under her wing and

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I started to find my voice. Now as a voice teacher,

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I learned that I just didn't have access to my

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full range. When I tried, I would just crack and

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it would be pretty bad sound. But she believed in me,

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my parents believed in me, and somehow I ended up

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on the opera stage, getting to music degrees and just

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a lot of discipline, a lot of finding my breath,

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finding my voice, and honestly not to discourage others on

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the path of singing. But I didn't really feel like

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I settled into a technique where I could just sing

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easily until grad school really, so it was a long

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journey for me to find my singing voice.

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Wow, where did you go to grad school?

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I went to you and see Greensboro?

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Okay? Cool?

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Yeah?

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Cool?

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So you sang opera as a child, as you say,

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as a child, you were kind of told you couldn't

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say very well.

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Yeah. And I have a memory of being in fifth

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grade and I was one of three students in study

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hall when I heard the whole class practicing choir music

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down the hall, and it was bewildering to me, like

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why can't I be in there singing? And I honestly

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have no answer to that. But and then in middle school,

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my middle school teacher just I just remember perse slips,

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you know, as a child, and then you enhance the

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memory now as an adult. But perselip sing, you have

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no talent. Don't find anything else to do. And honestly,

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once I started singing, even my voice teacher, who I

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not the person who first took me under her wing,

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but a second one who helped me get into undergraduate

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school Westminster Choir College in Princeton, he said, if you

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can do anything else, do it, because the profession is

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so difficult. And I did find it is difficult. It

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did eventually steel my heart for singing for a time,

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but that was a whole nother journey of finding why

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I really need to sing, Not so much to be

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in front of others, particularly as a very shy person,

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battling stage fright with every performance, but what is really

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truly trying to express? And I think I'm still finding that.

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At least at this point in time.

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As you as you went through that process, and I

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know that you said that at some point in time

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you kind of hit the perfect storm you were singing

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and so forth, but at some point in time it

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really hits you hard. Can you kind of share what

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the audience said journey?

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Sure, yeah, the perfect storm. So it was I would

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consider it at the height of my opera career, where

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I really had the chance to step into the regional

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houses start to do. I would say, for me, a

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little bit more exposure, more pressure on myself to really

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step into my fullest potential. But at that same time,

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I was losing my husband to a sudden divorce and

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my father's I had struggled with alcoholism all his life,

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hid it very well. My mom hid it very well

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from me as well. Trying to protect me, but the

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alcoholism was really masking mental illness. So when he was sober,

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the mental illness started to come out. And so as

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I was trying to pursue my career, my marriage was

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falling apart, and my dad's mental illness was becoming more

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focused on me in a sense, almost desperate to have

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anyone to hold on to. And I couldn't. I just

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couldn't do it. I bombed one of my biggest auditions

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at Lyric Opera Chicago. I shouldn't even have done it,

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but I did it, still trying to manifest my dream,

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and I just went back to zero. Really, I haven't

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said this to anyone, but I was in hiding for

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a little bit, trying to find clarity. I didn't have

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any given all that I had to my husband's career,

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so I just left and I sat and made my

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very first CD, which I've pulled from the markets. But

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all I had was love.

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I didn't.

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I lost my father, I lost my husband, I lost

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my career, all that I identified with a wife, a husband,

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an opera singer, you know. And I still had my rock,

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my mom, for a few more years, and then she

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died suddenly of a fast moving cancer. So that just

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really had me shift to who am I? Why am

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I here? Which I think we all have our own,

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our own journey, and I fell into mantra. Really. I

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had read a book called Eat, Pray, Love. I don't

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know if you all remember that, Elizabeth Gilbert, and there

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was something in me that said she had gone to

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an ashram. And I didn't know what an ashram was. Thought, oh, interesting,

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it sounded very healing. I think I'll explore that. It's

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what all recovering opera singers should do, go to an

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ashram and find their voice, find their breath. And there

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happened to be one in Upstate New York, and I went.

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And when I was at that ashram, I for the

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first time my life, wanted to be invisible. I didn't

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tell anybody my name. It was a strange place to be.

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I couldn't. I didn't know who I was, So if

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they asked what I did, I just said, I really

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don't want to talk about that right now. And I

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was sort of just a being figuring out. We practiced yoga,

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we practiced meditation for me the very first time, formal meditation,

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and it was silent meditation for a half hour, which

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if anyone's tried that for the first time, it can

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be devastated. Have you tried it?

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Not easy? Not easy?

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Not easy. So it's like, Okay, I've put myself in

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my own personal hell. Here where am I supposed to go?

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And then at the end of the dreadful half hour

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of silent meditation, we started to chant. And that was

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my first introduction to chanting, mostly in Sanskrit, and it

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blew my mind because from the opera perspective, anything you

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sang in a different language, you had to have the

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translation working in your head at all times, so you

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knew exactly what you were singing. And here I wasn't

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given opportunity to know what I was singing about. Who

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was I singing to? And why? Why were all these

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people around me singing with such bliss? It blew my

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mind and eventually shut my mind down and opened my heart.

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And then I started to sing again, just for the

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love of singing, like I did when I was singing

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with the river and the ocean. Wow, and it was remarkable.

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And then I started to tap dabble in classical singing again,

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and I went home, turned off my TV and started

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to pursue my own personal meditation practice. I got my

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very first singing bowl, which is somewhere around here, and

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the singing bowl, I would just rub it and it

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was the only thing that would quiet my mind during

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that difficult time because when I got back from the Austroo,

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my dad did pass away, and he passed away alone,

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and that was a whole another thing for me to

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heal and process.

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So did you do any other journeys?

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It seems like as I read that you may have

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gone on different another journey.

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Yes, I went on many journeys. One of them which

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I maybe you're referring to what I wrote my book about,

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perhaps journey to Sunyata Mountains, Monsoons and Magic. That's the

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name of my book. I named it that Sunyata because

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a lot of people are unfamiliar with that term. I don't,

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and it's about my real life pilgrimage to Nepal that

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I went with my first sound healing teacher, and it

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ended up being not so much a learning experience about

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the singing bowls and the culture of Nepal, but more

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of a life life challenging experience for me and all

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of us at the end. So I wrote about it

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in fiction because some of what happened not even my

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husband believed, and I thought, okay, well if he doesn't

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believe it, I might as well write about it in fiction.

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And I also didn't have any answers of what really

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happened to me energetically spiritually, So as I wrote it

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in fiction and the main character Ali and the other

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characters came through, I was able to have a healing

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journey and writing it and sharing it with others creating

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answers well.

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And since it was just strictly fiction and it really

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didn't happen to you, what were those things?

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Do you dare be transparent about that? Sure?

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Well, you know, I did say it's a novel based

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on a true story. What I found with my readers,

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particularly those who know me, they want everything that they

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read to be completely true. And I've found that to

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be difficult because it is. There's a little bit of

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fantasy in there. But so on the first thing that

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happened to me, First of all, I suggest if you're

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going on a pilgrimage or a retreat that the intention

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of purification is a big one, and be careful what

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you wish for. And so it was at a time

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I had just lost my mother. No, actually it was

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a few years after, and I wanted to be healed

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of my fears in my pain, so I chose purification.

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And at some point in the journey, about halfway through,

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we had a shamanic journey in a small village in Nepal.

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few incidents that happened before, but this ritual was standing

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on a skull and spinning. That's all we knew. And

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if you spun, you would connect to the Shaman's teacher

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and you would receive a message. And I don't even know.

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like fun. Let's try it. And it was truly an

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honor to be able to step on this skull. Now,

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the skull is a tortoises shell. I don't want to

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lose your listeners to.

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we didn't know that as either. And it represents the

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incarnation of the Shaman's Teacher, which is the highest incarnation

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you can attain, so it's quite an honor. And so

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it was filled with rice and flowers and water and

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sacred sense, and the shaman would chant and play sacred

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instrument and you would step in and you would crouch.

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So having a yoga practice was very helpful to try

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and balance. And there's my teacher and a few others

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on the side to help you. We will wobble, but

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don't fall down. And several of us did spin and

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I spent. I spun a lot, and it was really interesting.

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I felt an energy just go. And then I started

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to spin and I was spinning and I get very ill.

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I'm spinning, and then when the music stopped, I just

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flung off, flew off, and I was fine. There was

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something I call the village cough, and that whole room

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was having a cough. And it could be because the

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way they cook, they cook with burning wood fire. But

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I was starting to get that cough and it just

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felt like almost a choke. And by there was by

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the end of the night, I started to feel something

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come in and it was a choking, and it became

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a feeling of life or death for me, and I

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started started to become weak. And this is Denise speaking

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not so much Alley in the book. Somehow that happened.

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It became from fiction to nonfiction. And in that night

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I started to have visualizations and it was a battle

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in my head of light and dark, and every time

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I tried to envision the light, I started to choke.

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I knew that that was not right, and so I

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called help eventually, and my teacher came, others came and

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they helped me work through this. And it was strange

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because as a choking increase the sensation, I threw up

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three times, and not food, just the energy that I

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can't couldn't stomach. And then I felt better, like the

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choking stopped, the battle of light and dark ceased, and

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I went into a peaceful state. And that journey had

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me feel very weak and complete in a sense. I

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felt like there was a purification that happened. Now as

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I reflect back on it, it was my own fears

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rising and it was a choice. Well, I let my

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own fears and my own disappointments and my grief choke me.

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Or will I start fresh release it. I physically throw

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it up, get rid of it, and step new. And

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in that moment, I remember it was being It was

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very dark, there was no electricity, very hot. I was alone.

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I said, I'm at peace, I can go now.

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Isn't it amazing?

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It just it floors me the experience that people have that,

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And it's all different for different people, but for you

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to be on that retreat and to literally be healed

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from all of those negative aspects that were I'm sure

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sort of subconscious and so forth that came up, it

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just amazes me. I'm just curious what led you to

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the singing bowls?

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The singing bowls. There was somewhere in my journey, I

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think at that first ash from where I heard the

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first singing bowl and I mentioned that I purchased one

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as soon as I could find one when I got home,

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and because that settled me, I found a piece when

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I sang with it, and I would do a simple

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home o and I would calm I wasn't performing. I

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wasn't trying to please others with my voice. I was

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just sitting with my own breath, my own voice, and

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a bowl. And then when I learned that there's a

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technique to work with many bulls, and specifically a sound

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healing technique from Nepal, the teacher who the man who

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became my teacher, my first teacher, did a session at

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a yoga studio happened to be right in the town

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I was living. And he called it a sound healing concert,

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and I thought, well, that's interesting. I'm a performer. I

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wonder what this concert is with singing bulls. What is this?

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And so I went and he had a whole bunch,

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maybe fifty singing bowls, and I got close to the bulls.

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I led down and disappeared for an hour for that concert.

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And after I experienced that, I felt another personal healing.

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And this is before the big Nepal journey. Thought, wow,

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I have no idea what I'm healed from, but I

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feel lighter, I feel great. What is this? And I'm

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naturally a teacher. How can I learn this and share

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this with others. I couldn't help my father, but maybe

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if I had known this at that time, it might

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have helped him, maybe I can help others. And so

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eventually I was able to study this tradition from Nepal

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and combine all the other aspects of healing energy work

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vocal technique with this. So the transition from the opera

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stage to the singing bowls sort of blew my family's mind,

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like are you crazy? What are you doing? I also

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had some several trips to India and was able to

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experience Sacred Mantra and find a few teachers there to

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settle into the healing power of.

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Sound, you know, And it's amazing to me. I've shared

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the story before, and I have to be careful. I

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hope my son doesn't get too upset with me. But

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one of my sons and his wife were out of

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the country and she was pregnant and ready to deliver

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in the hospital, and it was a country that doesn't

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quite have the same medical coverage that we do in

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the US, and between the one time they checked her

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and an hour later, because they only checked her on

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the hour, yeah, I know, the baby died oh internally, internally,

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and that created such an emotional loss. And I remember

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one or two years later talking to my son, and

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you know, him confiding in me the emotion that he

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still felt, the loss that he felt. And I happened

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to be a part of a networking group and one

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of the ladies does the bulls the sables, and so

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she said, hey, I'm doing a I'm doing a healing

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one up in this little area where it's kind of

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in a cave. There's a body of water. So you

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come and you just lay in the water and then

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I'm going to do the sables. And so I called

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my son and I said, hey, you want to go

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with me? And he goes sure, not expecting anything. Well,

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we got there, we got into the water, the bulls

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were starting to work and she had multiple balls going.

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And afterwards, my son looks at me and he says, Dad,

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I'm healed.

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I'm healed from that trauma.

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And I thought to myself, it's so amazing that, you know,

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there's so many of us. I think everyone experiences some

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type of pain, sorrow, challenges, loss, all of those type

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of things in our lives, and so often we don't

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know how to heal from those and it can cause

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all sorts of issues down.

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The road if we don't. And you know, we talk.

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About meditation, we talk about all of these type of things.

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Singing bls I love.

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I haven't used them a lot, but I listened to

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singing bles as I'm doing my walking meditation, and it's

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just amazing to me that here are these elements of

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healing that we never even thought about. And you know,

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as we consider the Eastern healing processes so often in

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the West, we look at that and kind of look

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down on it and don't realize that there's.

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Such value in that. So what is it about the.

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Singing bowls that heals, especially as you're using multiple ones?

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Thank you for sharing that story. There is a coming

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to presence and as you ring a bowl, it brings

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us to the present moment. And sometimes being in the

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present moment brings back those traumas, those painful situations, and

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it's too much to handle, and we just say okay, no,

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not now, and keep going. But there's something about the

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singing bowls where, particularly if you're working with several, can

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sort of blow the mind and invite you to be

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in the present, and then you can view the imprints

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of these traumas, not be them, you them, breathe through them,

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and see that you're still here. You're still here. In

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a sense, you're even more whole because of what you've

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been through. You still have your breath and can you

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find your breath? So it's in a sense it gives

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us opportunity to find the quality of breath and be

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in the moment. There's also the sound technology for the

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I'm looking down here because I have some balls down here,

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the particularly the hand hammered bulls. I've found that there's

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a fundamental sound when they're balanced, when they're the bigger

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bulls some you might see behind me, bigger balls. When

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you invite the sound, there's the fundamental sound, lower sound,

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and if it's a balanced bowl, the fifth is there

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as well. And every bowl has a harmonic structure, that

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mathematical frequency that never changes, that mathematical pattern. And there's

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something about being embraced by the resonance of those bulls,

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settling into the fundamental of who we are, yeah yeah, yeah,

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and remembering who we are, this unique vibrational print that

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we are. Okay, where to be here? What is our

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how can we behole in this moment? And we get

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that hug of even just one bowl.

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Well, and do you find that by using multiple balls,

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because I know that as I look at the sulfagio

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frequencies with meditation music, that there are different frequencies that

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handle different things. Do you find that we're using the

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multiple balls that you're able some people respond to a

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particular bowl frequency and others to respond that's entirely different.

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Definitely. Yeah, we all hear so differently as well. Yeah,

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I'm in the classic pattern. There's a bowl for each

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of the seven main chakras or energy centers within the

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circle of fifth in the Himalayan tuning, it's within the

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circle of fifth be E A, D G, c F

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for the musicians out there. Yeah, and so that tuning

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in my experience isn't as important as again, having those

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difference of bulls. And for me, when I'm offering this sound,

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I listen to see which bowl is sounding different. I

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know my bulls, I know their base sound, which one

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is saying a little something. So it's been about learning

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the language of sound. And okay, so that bowl is

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really sounding, it's the heart bowl. For example. Let's explore

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this is all happening in my head. Let's explore and

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see what's happening here. Sometimes I put the larger bowl

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on a body and rub it and listen for is

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the fundamental there or is it screaming? Is it screaming

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a different pitch through breath as the nervous system starts

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to settle as sometimes we talk it through. Sometimes there's

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a good cry that fundamental balance is with the fifth again,

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and maybe that other bowl that was screaming starts to balance.

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So there's something that I can't measure yet that also

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happens with working with different bowls. I don't know if

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you've answered your question, but it's fact he does.

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And how does an individual.

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Tap into that personal healing power with working with sacred sounds,

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with those self directed sacred sounds?

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How do they do that?

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Because obviously where you are, they can't all get to you.

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And we'll talk about how they can at least reach

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you later on, But how does an individual work in

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helping to heal themselves through these sounds.

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Well, the fortunate thing is we are our own singing bowl.

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And how is that? Can you guess?

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Well, you know, we talked about if if you're singing,

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And by the way, just so you know, my dad

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was a classical voice teacher at Northwestern University and oh yeah, yeah,

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and he.

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Was at that time.

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He's gone now but nationally known and so some fun stories.

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And I love classical voice. Cannot do it, none of

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the kids can do it, but boy, he had some

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incredible singers that.

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He were Oh that's amazing. Wow. So you do you

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have do you have an instrument?

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Not anymore?

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Like I was sharing with you, We won't get into

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that right now, but you know, there are some people

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that really do have an instrument. And I used to

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sing when I was going through dental school. I sang

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professionally with a group, So yeah, I used to sing.

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But there's a lot of people that can't really even

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carry a tune, or there are people at some point

470
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in time that they're not able to sing anymore.

471
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:37.880
Whatever happens with the vocal cords goes away.

472
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:43.200
Well, and it's the for me. It's about inviting everyone

473
00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:45.640
to embrace their voice, whether they want to be a

474
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.400
professional singer or can be a professional singer or not.

475
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:53.759
We're all using this instrument as a tool of communication,

476
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:59.400
and it's helpful to keep it healthy as best we can.

477
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.440
And there are vocal techniques to help you connect to

478
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:08.279
your breath. The breath voice connection. But there's also the

479
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:11.799
mind connection as well. So the way I work, I

480
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:17.640
pull from the yoga KOSHA's the shes, the layers and

481
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:21.000
call them the vocal layers. So we have the physical.

482
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:23.920
Like I said, we're all a walking singing bowl and

483
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:27.200
that can be accessed through a hum. Anyone can learn

484
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.960
to hum. Yes, whether you consider yourself tone deaf or not. Honestly,

485
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:34.880
tone deaf doesn't really exist. There's like a mini percentage

486
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:40.519
of people who truly can't get that brain voice tone connection.

487
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:44.200
So we can all. In fact, let's all take a hum.

488
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:44.880
Do you mind?

489
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:47.680
You know, I go ahead and hum, And also I

490
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:49.680
want you to before we do that, I want you

491
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to do the bulls. And like I told the audience

492
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:56.279
when we first started, you have some incredible things that

493
00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:59.960
you can get on you know, appletoons and so forth.

494
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.319
But you've got this one with what about seven different

495
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:08.440
shorter pieces where you're singing, and you have the balls

496
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:12.359
that you're playing and I downloaded that and it's incredible.

497
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.079
But show the audience what you're talking about here. Let's

498
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:16.880
let them experience what that is.

499
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.920
Okay, So I'll put my sound on and if you

500
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:21.680
don't mind.

501
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:26.319
Yeah, okay, okay, let me know if.

502
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:34.839
The sound cuts off. Okay, So, so there's that fundamental pitch,

503
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:39.400
and I invite your listeners to sit tall if they can,

504
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.799
so you can access sort of that full length of breath.

505
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.279
The practice is if you have a singing bowl to

506
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:53.920
follow the sound as it dies away. But we're working

507
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:58.240
on becoming our own singing bowl. So there are three

508
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.319
types of hums. We're going to just work on one

509
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.039
today for a moment. Just the lips touching, the teeth

510
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.359
are not touching or crossed, and the jaws free. And

511
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:15.480
you might think in awe behind that hum. I'm sure

512
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:17.680
your dad may have done this, But a good old

513
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:23.000
fashioned is technique is a chewitch gumball. To try to

514
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.240
loose intentions of around for.

515
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.519
Just a second, you need to humble a little bit louder.

516
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.400
I can definitely hear the bulls, but I can't hear

517
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.160
your humming as much. So if you could hump just

518
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.200
a little bit louder for the audience, that would help

519
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:36.720
about that.

520
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:46.160
Sure, absolutely, Okay, here we go is a better. So

521
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.319
what I did to increase my volume was to energize

522
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.359
my air, not to push through the voice, but to

523
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.880
energize the air. So the idea is that you take

524
00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:01.160
a deep, deeper breath. But when I talking about humming

525
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.799
as your own personal singing bowl, it's quiet. I think

526
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.559
that's why I was doing that, because you're tuning your

527
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.599
nervous system. You're tapping in through the vagal network and

528
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.480
several other things, a tuning into your own nervous system.

529
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:23.359
But I'll offer a brief mantra inviting us to tap

530
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.480
into the truth of this moment for you, inviting our

531
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.839
own wisdom to shine through. If you want to hum

532
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.440
feel free, you might soften your eyes unless you're driving.

533
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:44.400
Can you hear that? Aasatomasot come.

534
00:30:49.160 --> 00:31:15.039
Tamasoma joint de comimrh chundy in a sense inviting the

535
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:20.240
inhale to clear static, the exhal to be in the

536
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:20.960
present moment.

537
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.799
And again, whether you consider yourself a singer or not,

538
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:34.599
what voice is expressing through you? We have our voice,

539
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:40.799
our physical instrument, then we have all of those mental voices.

540
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:46.279
And if you'd like, doctor Doug, come off of the

541
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:47.480
musician's sound.

542
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:56.680
Okay back again. Yeah, yeah, that's just so. Like I said,

543
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:58.839
When you do that and you're singing along with the

544
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:01.839
singing bones. It's just amazing to me, and I was

545
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:02.519
able to hear.

546
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.039
It's interesting how as you have that one you know,

547
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:08.920
let's say it's a c ord, it comes up a

548
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.759
fifth so you can hear the fifth in addition, And

549
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:15.079
I find when I listen to, you know, a classical singer,

550
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:18.559
an opera singer, it's amazing when you hear them singing

551
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:20.480
and realize that sometimes.

552
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.799
You're hearing this much higher tone and you go, how

553
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:23.839
on earth are they.

554
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:26.359
Getting up there? And it's like they're not, you know,

555
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:30.279
they're singing this note. But because of that additional thing

556
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.599
that happens, you hear this higher note, which is just

557
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:37.599
to me amazing. And you know, as you think about that,

558
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.240
and as I think about that, what is it for

559
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.599
a person? How can they literally experience as you say,

560
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.319
I can hum, Yeah, I can. You know that type

561
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:49.839
of thing, which I think is fantastic. The mantras I

562
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:55.200
find for me as I've listened to Somethadic mantras, I

563
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:59.160
don't understand them. And sometimes it's like, well, if I

564
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.160
don't understand they mean, why would I even try to

565
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:07.079
repeat them? And if I'm praying to Hindu God, I'm

566
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:11.160
not comfortable with that. So tell me about the mantras

567
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:14.240
that you use, and what's the value of the mantras

568
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:19.000
that go along with the humming or the singing the

569
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:20.480
mantras and the bulls.

570
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:25.160
Yeah, that's a great question, and I'll say, yes, we

571
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.200
all can hum first before I answer your question. And

572
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.720
it's a very basic technique, but it's also the most

573
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:35.799
advanced that we can return to, which I think is

574
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.599
wonderful because it's here for everyone right now. But as

575
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:41.960
you sit and play with the hum, just even a hum,

576
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.039
it becomes the most advanced technique because you get into

577
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:48.519
a deep listening space and it becomes more. When I

578
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:52.599
moved into mantra, as I mentioned, it blew my mind

579
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:56.400
of who am I chanting to. There was an altar

580
00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:00.599
with all the saints' deities. Everyone was a included who

581
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.559
could be included on this altar, which I loved from

582
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:08.280
my specific tradition as well. And mantra means to be

583
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:11.159
free from, So you have manas, which is the mind

584
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:15.400
try to be free from. So on its purest level,

585
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:19.400
it's to be free from. And it is tapping through

586
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:26.119
different sound technology, particularly in Sanskrit, Sanskrit and encases the

587
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:31.719
essence of a sound and an energy in cases that essence.

588
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:35.760
So when you're working with mantra, there is often a

589
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:39.559
deity involved, and some people like to have that picture,

590
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:44.360
need that visual to connect. There is the power of

591
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:49.079
the language Sanskrit, and then there's the essence, the essence

592
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.440
of it. So this mantra, as far as I know,

593
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:56.320
there's no deity linked with it. It's the essence of

594
00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:02.400
stepping into the wisdom divine knowing yes. And so I

595
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.079
do when I'm offering a presentation like this or with others,

596
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:10.960
I try to find those mantras that are not threatening

597
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.199
to different traditions. But what I've found in my study,

598
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:18.000
and I suspect you have too, that we meet in

599
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:25.400
that essence of divine love. So even for example, the

600
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:31.800
mahamantra Hari Krishna Hari Krishna Krishna Krishna hariy horiy the

601
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:35.519
Krishna mantra linked with Krishna, but the essence above that

602
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:40.320
doesn't mean I'm worshiping Krishna. I am stepping into the

603
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:47.920
divine love, the balance of feminine masculine dance. And so

604
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:52.880
for me, that essence is where I meet the mantra.

605
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:59.000
I respect the tradition and I meet others there. Does

606
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:00.280
that help an?

607
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:00.760
It does?

608
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:04.039
And what comes to my mind in Christianity is becoming

609
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.840
one with and you know, it fascinates me. I actually

610
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.079
did a study and I don't know how this supplies,

611
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.559
but it just came to my mind.

612
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:11.880
I did a study.

613
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:14.199
I thought, you know what, I want to go back

614
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:19.400
to the most ancient historical information we have about the

615
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:21.559
gods that are worshiped, and I will want to look

616
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:25.800
at the Hebrew, the Hindu, and the Chinese. And what

617
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:30.000
triggered me was because I saw a video on the Chinese.

618
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:34.800
And what was fascinating to me is that two thousand BCE,

619
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:38.639
the twenty five hundred BCE, right at the very beginning

620
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:44.480
in the Hebrew, there was l an ashera male and female.

621
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.199
You go into the Hindu and I don't remember their names,

622
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:50.599
and you would know who they are, but you have

623
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.000
that male and female god and goddess. And you go

624
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:59.519
to the Chinese, which really fascinated me. Exactly the same thing,

625
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:03.159
just different names. And so as you talk about that,

626
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:06.119
what came to my mind immediately was, you know, as

627
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.920
we're seeking to become one with recognizing that we have

628
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:13.119
that within ourselves and we're just trying to discover it

629
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.559
and release it and become it. That it doesn't matter

630
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:20.320
who you're praying to or what name you're using. It

631
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:24.039
really goes back to the same deity.

632
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:30.320
Yes, yes, yes, and that one with I approached the

633
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:33.800
healing work, creating the sacred space for others to self

634
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:39.679
heal by seeing their wholeness, our wholeness one with in

635
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:40.400
this moment.

636
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.400
So do you work with clients.

637
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.800
Do you work with clients and help them to heal

638
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:48.840
or how does that work or is it mainly just

639
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.079
getting your music out there and your chance and so forth.

640
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:56.559
Yes, I do work with clients one on one here

641
00:37:56.679 --> 00:38:00.880
in this space surrounded by the bulls. COVID showed me

642
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:03.639
that I can do this online. I have all this

643
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:05.320
sound fancy sound equipment.

644
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.519
Well I'm going to say you have to have those

645
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:08.119
stuff you have.

646
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:11.440
Yes, yes, and I do the best I can. I

647
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:16.000
am not a technical person, but I'm fairly pleased with

648
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:19.159
the way the sound goes through online. So there are

649
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:25.000
individual online sessions. Also, I do a lot of teachings.

650
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:28.239
I do a lot of workshops retreats. So this work

651
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:30.679
what I learned as I stepped into it. It was

652
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:35.599
mostly personal healing work. Now I am stepping more into

653
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.440
the music as I start to figure out how do

654
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:43.400
I emerge my opera training and virtuosic training with Mantra.

655
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.199
And so that's what I've been exploring and putting these

656
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:49.000
these CDs out. And I think the CDs, they're not

657
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:50.280
even CDs anymore.

658
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:53.519
Right, So any and we're actually running out of a time.

659
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.400
But any real short story of someone you worked with

660
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.079
where you saw this dramatic healing take place.

661
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:03.119
A short story is someone came in with a persistent

662
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:07.400
sinus infection, terrible, terrible pain, couldn't get rid of it,

663
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:11.679
and she had one sound session and left free and

664
00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:14.760
completely free. Now, in that case, I say that it

665
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:18.239
was an energetic holding on to something that was manifesting

666
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:23.559
in that clogged crown. But so that's a neat, easy,

667
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:26.440
quick boom. I wish it was like that for everyone.

668
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.039
Another one was like, I don't know if you have

669
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:31.480
time for a second one, that's fine, real quick, real quick,

670
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:36.440
we do I cancer survivor came into the yoga studio

671
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:40.840
where I was teaching, and she was sunken. She could

672
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:44.239
hardly speak. She certainly couldn't make eye contact, and through

673
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:47.199
some of the restorative yoga practice and she came to

674
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:52.199
my sound meditations about six months later. She was standing tall,

675
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.880
she was speaking, making eye contact, and about a year

676
00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:59.079
later she came to me and said, you gave me

677
00:39:59.199 --> 00:39:59.920
my breath back.

678
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:02.920
That is wonderful. How do people find you?

679
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:07.000
They find me through my website sound awakenings dot com

680
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.599
and Instagram sound Awakenings.

681
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:14.000
Now I'm aware of two albums that you put together

682
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:15.960
with your mantras. What are the names of those that

683
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:19.639
they can find on any app for music on any app?

684
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:24.199
Yeah, Light of Compassion and Heartstrings of the Infinite.

685
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:26.039
Oh wonderful.

686
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.360
And for those that want to enter meditate more than

687
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.360
five minutes, you can just play through the whole thing,

688
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:30.800
can't you.

689
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:34.599
Absolutely? Yeah, In the days of having an album in

690
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.960
your hand, heart Strings of the Infinite has a certain

691
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:42.800
a certain pattern that takes you through. So you can

692
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.079
listen on band camp to keep it in the order

693
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.079
rather than the Spotify shuffle exactly.

694
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:48.639
That's great.

695
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:52.159
Well, so what would be a final message that you'd

696
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.320
like to share with the audience as we close?

697
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:57.960
Your voice matters. You can connect to it through your breath.

698
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:01.119
And it's not just our physical voice, it's what is

699
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:06.320
feeding our physical voice, our mental imprints. And the way

700
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:09.199
we can get through to our wisdom voice is to

701
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:15.880
take a nice in hell and give that home, a

702
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.840
lallaby to yourself, your nervous system, and a nice deep breath.

703
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:25.719
Denise, thank you so much, thank you, it's been wonderful.

704
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:29.519
And folks, you know what, Sometimes we talk about things

705
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.679
that may seem to you so strange, but I'm here

706
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:35.400
to tell you that this process that the niece is

707
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:40.679
talking about, I have seen it ill people and myself.

708
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:44.679
As I listened to that through meditation, I find such

709
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.840
a sense of peace and stillness in my own life.

710
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:51.199
So please, please please at least get on listen to

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those albums, and then if you need some help, give

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her contact call and see what you can do.

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So Denise, thank you.

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So much, Thank you so much. Thanks everyone, and folks.

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Thanks for listening. Hope you've enjoyed it. Look forward to

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having you join us again soon. This is doctor Doug saying,

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