June 9, 2025

The Deeper Path of Yoga & Inner Transformation with Jennie Lee

The Deeper Path of Yoga & Inner Transformation with Jennie Lee
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Bestselling author and yoga therapist Jennie Lee shares her journey from personal challenges to discovering the true essence of yoga beyond physical postures and it’s ancient origins. Explore meditation, self-inquiry, and the power of love in personal transformation. A conversation about stillness, joy, and awakening to our highest self.

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Denzel Washington, welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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to do the same.

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Jenny, Welcome to the show.

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Hey Doug, nice to be here.

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Oh I'm excited. And you tell me that you're in

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Hawaii right now. That is fantastic.

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I am. I'm based on the island of but wahoo.

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I love it here. Feel really blessed to live on

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the island.

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I'll bet that's amazing. I love Hawaii. When I've been

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able to get over there. It's great. Anyway, what I'd

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love for you to do is to share with the

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audience your journey. You know, I know that there's well

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I don't know, but you know, many people are doing

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certain things then all of a sudden they kind of

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have an Aha moment and they change directions, or maybe

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they've just discovered it from the get go, which is

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amazing if you have so share your journey with the

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audience of how you got to this point in what

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you're doing now.

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Sure, well, I'll guess I'll backtrack to about thirty years ago.

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I was living in Los Angeles and working as an

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actor and practicing yoga physical yoga at the time, and

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I started going through some personal challenges in my marriage

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and was really looking for some solace, and I discovered

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the deeper teachings of yoga, the Yogic philosophies of life

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and how they can bring us into equilibrium and inner peace,

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and so started practicing meditation and more breath work and

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really understanding the principles of what it takes to live

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in an aligned way and through the Yogic perspective, which is,

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you know, five thousand years old and over time sort

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of fast forward ten years. I had gotten a divorce,

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I had moved across country, I was recently needing to

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re establish myself in the workforce after having a child,

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and I a decided to open a yoga studio because

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it was my love, it was my passion, and that

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really started the trajectory of where I am today. So today,

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I've been a yoga studio owner. I've been a yoga

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therapist for many, many years, counseling people individually through the

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many practices and philosophies of yoga. I've written three books

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on the topics of yoga and meditation and spiritual living

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and self evolution. And I really love what I have

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been able to do for a career. I love all

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the people that I've gotten to interact with over the years,

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and you know, talking about aha moments, it's really one

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of my greatest joys to see someone awaken to their

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inner self, their their their beautiful, brilliant spiritual light and

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their joy and what really makes them that particular soul

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that they are and step closer towards that, towards embodying that,

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and as a guide for that journey. I feel really

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blessed to have met some extraordinary people over the years.

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Oh that's fantastic, you know, And and you you made point,

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and I appreciate if you kind of expand on this,

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because so many times when I think of yoga, and

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I know most people think of yoga, it's I'm out

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there trying to stretch and trying to do this, trying

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to do that, which I can't do at this point

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in time. But when you talk about the higher level

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of yoga, and now you get into the whole philosophy

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of yoga, that's an entirely different thing. Can you kind

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of share with the audience what the difference is there?

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Sure? Well, one is part of the other, right, So

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the physical postures are a part of what's called the

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eight limb path of yoga, and they prepare our bodies

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and our minds to be able to sit in stillness

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and meditation, and so they make up a part of

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the yogic path. But the yogic path really is so

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much broader than just the postures that have become popular

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in the West. And my first book, True Yoga, It's

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called True Yoga was written because as a yoga teacher,

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I was trying to impart this understanding to my students

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in you know, hour long classes, and I just felt

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like there needed to be a bigger explanation available to them,

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but written in a way that was accessible and modern

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and sort of pragmatic for daily life. Because the texts

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that are the traditional yoga philosophy texts, the Bagavad Gita,

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the Upas, the blanking on the other one right now anyway, utris,

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the yoga sutris. How can I forget that? It's what

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my book is based on. Well, brain faid, okay, yeah,

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so are They are all written fairly esoterically. So for

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the average student of yoga, the person who's going to

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go to a Saturday morning physical yoga class, it's not

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necessarily going to have time to absorb these teachings, these

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esoteric teachings, and so as a teacher, I really wanted

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to write a book that would boil them down in

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a way and apply them to daily modern life, that

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would make them useful for people, if you will. And

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you know, there's so many I'll just take one little

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example out of the yoga sutras. So there's the practice

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of ahimsa, and ahimsa for all intents and purposes is intentional,

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the intentional practice of peacefulness. So it's not enough to

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just not be violent. We have to go out of

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our way to bring peace into situations and into our

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own hearts and minds and lives. And this isn't easy.

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Right on the day to day we live in stressful

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times and everyone that I talk to, their stress levels

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are really really high. So when you're working with a

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teaching like this and looking at what an ancient science

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of spirituality, which is really what yoga philosophy is, it's

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a spiritual science, it's the it's an inner science of

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how to align ourselves with the harmony that can exist

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within ourselves and within the universe when we're in right

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action right And so one of those principles is intentional peacefulness.

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And then we have to kind of break it down

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and look at, well, how do we do that? And

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so that how question is always what I'm working with

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students or clients on in terms of how to, within

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the context of their lives, really how to do that.

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Okay, and you've written, as you say, you've written a

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few books. You've got your yoga one, and then there's

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a couple of other books you're written. Just share with

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the audience what they are and what they're Yeah.

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Sure. My second book is called Breathing Love and it's

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meditation in action is the subtitles. So the principle behind

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that book is meditation for me on the cushions, seated

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silent is a daily practice that is essential. And I

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can't do that and then get up off the cushion

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and go be a jerk in my life. Right, we

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have to carry the quality of meditation, the deep piece

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and equilibrium that we cultivate on the cushion. We have

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to carry it out into the crazy world that we

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live in and apply those. The same practices that we

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utilize when we're sitting and focusing and going inward in

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our stated meditation practice, we have to apply those in

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day to day life. So again pragmatic look at how

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to apply the principles of meditation into daily life. That's

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what that book is about. And then my third book

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is Spark Change and the subtitle is one hundred and

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eight Provocative Questions for Spiritual Evolution. So this draws upon

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the Yogic principle of self inquiry or swadyaya, and self

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inquiry is to me the other side of the meditation

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coin because we have to go inward to be still,

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and then we also have to do a little bit

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of digging in there. So part of it is quieting

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the mind, but then part of it is engaging the

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mind and looking at our patterns, looking at our belief systems,

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looking at the obstacles that we hold within our own

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beings to those to that journey towards alignment and peace

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and inner harmony. And so that book is a compilation

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of questions that I've used with clients over the years

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to help them sort of navigate their inner.

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Landscape and to find ways to move through the obstacles

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that they feel in their lives and to initiate change.

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At a very proactive level.

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Well, and I want to talk about all of those things.

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You know, one of the interesting things that you talk

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about is how long do you meditate each day? And

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what do you recommend and what do you recommend people?

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Number one? Number two, you talk about breathwork, but you

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didn't really talk about that. Is there a specific type

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of breath work? Because I've interviewed so many people with

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different ideas about how the breath work should be. What

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are your thoughts on that? Number one how long And

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number two breathwork.

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Okay, so how long? For sure, half an hour in

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the morning. If I'm being disciplined, I'll do half an

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hour in the evening as well. I don't always do that,

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but that's my ideal practice time. That's not what I

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would recommend to a beginner, though, because you do have

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to sort of work up to it, and I say

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just start with five to ten minutes and develop that

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habit of sitting down and getting quiet. Now, breath work

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is part of the sutra that has to do the

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yoga sutra that has to do with energy management. Fronta

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Yamana is energy, Yama is control of energy, So we

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can control our energy through the breath. And that's where

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all these diverse practices of breath work that are getting

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quite popular these days. It's sort of the next wave

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of yoga that's coming through the West and getting really

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popular because people are seeing that there's power in the

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ability to control your breath. It will the breath naturally

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reflects our emotional state. So if you get angry, or

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if you have a sudden fright or something, your breath

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is going to get really constricted. And if you're trying

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to manage stress by doing breath work, Well, then you're

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going to want to elongate the breath, you're going to

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want to slow it down, You're going to want to

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control it in waves that would be opposite of what

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would happen if you had that anger or fright moment

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where it gets really constricted. Now, I'm not going to

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give a general I'm not gonna apply a general technique

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on a podcast like this because breathwork is very personal

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and it's very situational. And so when I'm working with

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a client, we're talking about what it is that they're

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experiencing in their lives in terms of stressors. I need

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to know about their physiology and any medications that they

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might be on. Do they suffer with anxiety, do they

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have depression? Are they going through some particular grief right now?

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All of these things play into what breath work I

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might do with them, because however we manipulate the breath

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has an effect. And so I don't want to give

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some general practice and be counter into it, you know,

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counter productive for somebody, counter indicated. Sorry, that's not I'm

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losing my words today, counter indicated for someone who might have,

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you know, hypertension, or anxiety or something like that. So

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it is very specific to the person.

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Well, and you know what's fascinating to me, and you know,

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as I'm here in Thailand, I found very fascinating to

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learn a little bit more about Buddhism. And one of

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the interesting things is going back to the original teachings

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and then seeing what's happening now. It actually went from

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the one teaching of Buddha. Now I think there's four

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or five major differences that kind of oppose each other

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at least teach different things. And it's kind of the

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same thing with I would think with yoga, because you know,

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as I look at meditation and I've gone to some

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workshops and so forth with that, and I love meditating.

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But what I've found is that there's a lot of

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you know, focus for many on you know, if this

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is what you want to be, then this is the

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affirmation you want to think about or say while you're

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meditating and so forth. And I'm not sure, I don't

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know the answers I'm listening to this is that part

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of the original yoga lots of of meditating and so

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forth you talk about, which I really appreciate, you know,

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finding that sense of peace and also be able to

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ultimately identify and do that introspective work and find out

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where things are happening that you don't want to be happening.

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What are your thoughts on that, and what.

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they can be very powerful. I would not say they're

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part of the original Yogic teachings. I'm trying just you know,

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scanning through my mind and all the studies I've done

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of the Yoga sutras, and I can't pull a passage

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that would specifically indicate that affirmation per se were recommended.

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all of this is part of that inner work that

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we approach when we get when we quiet the outer world.

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a natural progression, let's say, and maybe a more modern

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tool that is effective and is helpful. I mean, I

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do think that the yoga searchers talk about some scaras.

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grooves and that come from repetitive thought. And there's also

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a suture that says, if a thought is causing difficulty,

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change it to its positive opposite. The practice is pratipak shababana.

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psychology as well. So in terms of affirmation, if we're

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feeling low self worth, well we're going to do an

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self confidence. But and it's for the point of changing

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those neurological groups, because the more we think of thought,

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the more it becomes kind of our reality and just

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the default system of our minds, and so it behooves

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us to choose positive thoughts certainly.

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was is like five thousand years old. So this is

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this is not new stuff. I was taking humanity so

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What's amazing to me is here they're talking about those

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neurological gurus and finally scientists have come up with the

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understanding that the neural and we call the neural pathways nowadays,

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but they can be changed and as you say, you know,

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you can literally change that from negative to the positive.

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are thousands and thousands of years old and how insightful

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they were at the time and they still are, which

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just amazes me. So anyway, that was one of the

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questions I have. But also as we talk about meditation,

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and you talked about how, you know, starting to discover

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those inner issues that we need to deal with, and

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creativity being able to go in and analyze the fact.

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was it was a theological one just happened to be there.

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don't behave in order to become, We behave and you

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kind of alluded to this, we behave the way that

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we are internally who we are spiritually, and I want

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you to talk a little bit about that and talk

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about how people who are experiencing things in their lives

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oftentimes don't realize that, you know what, they can change that.

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do that introspective work and change inside themselves.

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and that's going to apply to young men as well,

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about relationship. There's a kind of an expression, if someone

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shows you who they are, believe them, meaning, don't if

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someone is acting badly, don't think that they are something

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different than that that they're showing you who they are

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from because their behavior does reflect who they are, who

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they are internally at that moment. Now that's not to

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say that they can't change, but the change really has

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to come from the individual. It cannot come from anyone

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else outside of them. It has to come from I

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think often pain getting uncomfortable enough in our situation that

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we are in where maybe our behavior just keeps leading

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us into suffering, into disappointment, into whatever it is, and

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we and then we kind of get to the point

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where we're tired of hitting our head against the wall,

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and we and we start to ask those inner questions

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of well, how can I how can I do something different?

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Like I want a different result here? How can I

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do something different, and it takes a tremendous amount of

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willillingness to then do that hard inner introspection. And one

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of the chapters in the third book that I wrote,

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Spark Change, is about willingness because when we initiate change,

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Y or Z in my life. I know I need

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to change this, so they have the awareness that they

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need to change, they have the desire to change, but

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they don't have the willingness to actually do the work

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of change because change is hard and it requires that

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we pattern interdrop right, We interrupt the patterns of behavior

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that we've been used to for so long. And unfortunately

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it's again these neurological groups. We default to the familiar,

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and even if the familiar is getting us nowhere or

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getting us nothing but summering, we still default to it

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our greatest teacher, because we have to get to that

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matter how hard it is. The great news, though, is

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that once you start coactively doing that inner work and

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moving towards positive change, it's like a snowball effect. It

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does actually get easier and it works. We are incredibly

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powerful beings and we can change anything that we really

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truly put our minds to.

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they're willing and I'm writing a little bit about that,

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and I call it bravery, but by I like the

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word willingness too. When you when you're working with someone

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and they go back and they identify some beliefs that

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have been imprinted on them, and I use the word

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imprinted because I don't think they really wanted that, how

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do you how do you help them? Number one? I

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guess I haven't number of questions, so I apologie as

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I do this all the time. Number one, when you're meditating,

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how do you consciously go in and start to identify

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those imprints that are causing the behavior that you really

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don't want? And then number two, how do you start

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to change those?

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Okay, those are great questions, Doug, And I want to

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be clear that I don't teach meditation as a time

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for self inquiry. There are two separate practices. Okay, so meditation,

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according to the Yoga sutras, is really the time to

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quiet the mind. And so there are techniques that lead

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us towards quiet mind, such as the breath work, such

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as focusing on a mantra or a visualization of I

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often use a visualization of the breath within the body.

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on a single point in order to quiet the rest

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of the chatter. Self inquiry, the identification of those beliefs,

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those imprints that many of which come from very very

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early ages, precognitive kind of times, as we know, is different.

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That's a different time. That's a more time when we

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are conscious. We might be journaling, we might be in

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dialogue with a coach or a therapist. We might be

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reading a book like the one that I wrote, that

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kind of working through a question and reflecting on it.

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It's a more active time. So that's to me, either

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a two sides of the coin of spiritual practice. So

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the meditation time to be going into deep stillness and

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really stilling the mind, and then the self inquiry time,

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which is the time to kind of chew on things

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Well. Then my question goes to this, if you're doing

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it separately, and I totally agree that you have to

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have that consciousness to be will go in and really

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identify that. But are you able then, with meditation to

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start to change those neuro pathways as you talked about,

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by when those things come up, being able to verbally

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affirm that, you know, I no longer do this, I

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am this way, and as we affirm that time and

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time again, and I happen to do that in my

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walking meditation out loud, nobody hears me because I'm walking,

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but I find that that helps. What are your thoughts

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on that? Is that something that through meditation and affirmation

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while you're meditating, that you're able to start to change

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those pathways and as you say, originally reverse and change

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those neurological grooves to a different groove.

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So let's think of it. Let's think of it in

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two ways. So the like you're talking about a walking

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practice where you're audibly affirming things that would be counteracting,

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say these neurological groups that are maybe holding you in

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a negative pattern, that would be one side of the

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practice that's more of the active practice, like the self

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increase the active practice in meditation. The way that the

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neurological groups are getting smoothed out is not by affirmation,

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not during meditation. It's by not allowing your thought to

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go on the story train. It's about bringing it back

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to your chosen point of attention, whether it's the breath

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or the visualization, let's say, of light at the third eye,

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or the feeling of the breath moving up and down

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the spine, something that is more of the moment. Bringing

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the thoughts that inevitably wander off to all the old

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patterns or the days to do list or whatever distracts us,

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bringing it back, bringing it back, bringing it back so

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that the mind quiets down. It's kind of like redirecting

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the child that wants to do this and wants to

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do that, and you're trying to get them to sit

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down and do their homework. So it's like, no, we're

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going to do this right now. No, we're going to

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do this right now. And so every time we correct

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and come back to that single point of attention, we

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are changing the grooves. But it's a different sort of practice.

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So both are important, but I utilize them at different times.

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Okay, And so you know, like we're walking. Meditation is

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promoted by a few well known individuals, and you mentioned that,

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so I know who you're talking about as far as

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up and down the spine. But the reality is that

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if I'm doing walking meditation, then that's really not the

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peaceful meditation that you're talking about. And quite honestly, I

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also do quiet too, but I think that's I really

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appreciate the distinguishment that you made with that that there

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are two elements of that. So really what I'm doing

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walking meditation and what many people are doing that they

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call meditation is really really conscious introspection or conscious yes whatever,

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rather than that peaceful meditation. So another question, because as

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I say, I do that a lot when you talk

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to people and teach them how to meditate, what are

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your thoughts about using music binural beats or the selfedgio

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beats type of thing, and you're shaking your head so

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I can't wait to hear.

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So I think we need more vocabulary, right, So, like

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you said, I love how you reframed the walking meditation

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to conscious walking introspection or something. And that's great because

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it is more accurate if we're looking at the traditional

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definition of meditation from the Yoga sutras, and that's my

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basis of practice. They talk about meditation being a state

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of being, the state of being still. It's not a practice,

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it's not something The practices lead us there. So there

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are several practices prior to meditation, the focus and single

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point of attention and the management of energy and the

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postures and all these these are part of the aid

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Limb path, and so all of these things lead us

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to meditation, which is that state of being still. So

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to answer your question about the music, and I get

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this question all the time, well, can I do a

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guided meditation on you know, the insight at time or

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app or this about Yes, absolutely, I wouldn't call it meditation.

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I would call it wonderful guided relaxation, A beautiful practice

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to do at the end of a stressful day, doing

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affirmations while you're walking, fantastic practice of introspection and repatterning

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of the neural grooves, listening to the binural beats, another

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wonderful way to relax the mind and the body. I

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love that kind of music. To me, It's not meditation.

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It's not traditional yogic meditation, which is stillness. So anything external,

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any external stimulus, is going to some degree be pulling

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our consciousness outward versus The intent of meditation is to

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turn our consciousness inward so that we have a sense

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of self or awareness that is beyond the physical, external

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self that we identify with on the day to day basis.

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And that's why I would not recommend from a classical standpoint.

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So let's talk about the sense of self. And why

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do you think that's so important that you've actually differentiated

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all those different types of quote meditation to the original

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yoga meditation where you're really just focusing on breath work,

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which in effect is also focusing on something, but where

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you're doing that and really finding that stillness and that self.

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Let's identify, first of all, if you can, what is

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the self? You know, you talk about the soul, you

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talk about all of this, and obviously there's so many

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different things. And what I find is many people who

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are deeply quote religious, are a little bit worried about meditation.

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They feel like it's pulling them away from their quote

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religious concepts. And yet you know, you talk about stillness,

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you talk about soul, what do you mean by that?

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Okay, So when we meet are born, we come into

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these bodies, we begin to have experiences immediately in the

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physical dimension, and we become extremely identified with our bodies,

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with our personalities, with the story and the and of

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what we're living, the people around us, the teachings that

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we're being given. It's all part of our physical experience.

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And we identify self as Doug, Jenny, you know, whoever,

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and with all that makes us up from the human standpoint,

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but from the yoga teachings we are, that is not

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all of who we are. It is It's like when

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we put on glasses to see something, and it would

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be as if I started to say, I'm these glasses. Well, no,

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I'm not the glasses. The glasses are just something that

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I'm seeing through. So the body, the personality, this self

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that is Jenny right now is just something that my

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soul is seeing through. It's like the glasses that I've

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put on that my soul has put on. The soul

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is the essence that is indestructible and everlasting and goes

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on and on and on in different forms, and this

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form that I'm in right now is just temporary, and

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so I don't have the more I can know myself

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as more than this, I can still enjoy being Jenny

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and I'm meant to express through the Jenny personality right now,

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but to know myself as more than that gives me

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great peace and freedom because when the difficulties of being

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Jenny come up, I don't get completely lost in them.

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I can, in meditation step outside just for the moment

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in the stillness, and have an awareness of myself as

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pure peace for love.

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And you know, you talk about peace, you talk about love,

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that inner soul, and what fashion me about that is

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that as I look at it, you know, we're here

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on this earth, We've got this physical body, and as

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you say, the soul is eternal. There's no question about

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that in my mind at least, And yet so often

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we tend to focus so much on this physical aspect

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of it, not realizing that if we could just return

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back to the qualities of the soul, the love, the kindness,

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all of those type of things, and it goes back

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to what I was talking about. As we become then

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our behavior reflects that. And so you know, as you

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talk about that, let's talk a little bit about love,

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because I know that you know and some of the

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talking points you shared with me. You know, one of

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the questions is what is it to live love and

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how do you how do you experience love as an individual,

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and how do you take how do you allow the

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mortal physical body to move away from prevention of that

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so that your soul can try really experience that, which

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then evolves into your physical ability to experience love too.

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Oh, Doug, that that was a very convoluted question there.

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I know, you know, my my assistance and my dental

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practice would just go crazy because I would be talking

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to them and I come up with the three or

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four things that say, would you just stay with one?

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That's just I have I know where you were going though,

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So there is it's a great question to bridge off

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of the self question because there is personal love right

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that I experience with my friend's family, son, husband, whatever, animals.

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But then there's this universal energy of love. And so

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one of the things I talk about in my second book,

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which is called Breathing Love and which is very much

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about the practice of living love, is how do we

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tap into that universal energy of love more and more

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and more so that we're not limited by that personal

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sense of love because the personal sense of love, it

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gets very colored by our history, the ways that we've

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been hurt and disappointed the ways our desires, our particular

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you know, things that we're looking for gratification around, or

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that we have needs around, and so a lot of

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what we call love really isn't pure love when it

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comes to the personality side of things. That energy of love,

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the universal energy of love, is really the Gananda Parmhanza

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Yogananda calls it the harmonizing energy of the universe. And

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so as we tap into that vibration, it's really an

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energetic vibration. And I do this when I'm in the

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stillness of meditation. That's what I'm That's why I'm there

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because I want to tap that every day and I

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want that to for through me and infuse me so

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that when I feel limited in my capacity to show

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up kindly or compassionately in a situation in my personal life,

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I can say, all right, this is me talking to myself.

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Deep breath, This isn't about me. Like God is love spirit,

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the universal energy of love is there. Let me draw

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on that, let me bring it through. I'm just the

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vessel and that's how I sort of practice it. But

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in order to be able to do that in the

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day to day circumstances where I might feel challenged. I've

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got to have that infusion every day in meditation. It

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really is my time to connect to love.

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Yeah, I love that. And how do you experience that

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lasting happiness, that real love that I think everybody wants.

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Well, I think you only experience it when you start

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to have this sort of dual It's funny, I'm going

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to use a dualistic expression, but it's really about non duality. Right.

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So we hear the concept of nonduality, that we're all

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one and there is no separation between the personal self

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and that universal self. But when we start to have

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the experience of both, and we can toggle our consciousness

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between the egoic consciousness the human consciousness that we have

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to kind of work through, and it's our operating system

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for this world, so we have to use it. But

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if we can toggle back to that soul consciousness more

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and more and more, then we start to experience greater

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and greater, more lasting happiness. And I really think that

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all of the teachings of yoga have to do with that.

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It's really going back to that higher self, that spiritual

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self of which we're all apart of the one that

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brings us to the lasting happiness.

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Can you imagine what the world would be like if

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they were able to if every individual were able to

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tap into them?

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Doug, Yes, I can. I can imagine it, and I

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hope that more and more people start being able to

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imagine it. I want to live in that world.

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As we close, here's my question for you. If if

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you could share a thought with the audience, a final thought,

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what would that be?

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You know, I've asked this question a lot of the

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end of interviews, and my answer often has to do

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with love. But today I'm gonna say something different. I

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would tell people not to apologize for joy. Joy is

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something that has gotten really squelched in the world today.

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We are so focused on the challenges in the world

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that we miss the glimmers of joy, and joy is

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our true nature as much as love is. So embrace

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and celebrate your joy.

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Oh, I love it so question? How do people find you?

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My website Jenny Leecoaching dot com easy to find Jenny

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leecoaching dot com and happy to answer questions or connect

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with anyone there.

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And are people able to work with you if they

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don't live in Hawaii?

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Absolutely? I work with people all over the world and

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all different time zones, and it's fantastic that we live

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in the technological time that we can zoom and yeah yeah,

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happy to work with anyone anywhere. And my books are

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all on Amazon and all the major booksellers, so easy

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to find those as well.

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Fantastic, Well, Jenny, thanks so much. This has been an

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interesting conversation and I really appreciate your insights that you've

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shared with the audience.

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So thank you, thank you, thank you doctor Doug.

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Folks, thanks for listening. I hope this is meaningful for

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you and look forward to having you join us again soon.

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So no mistay, the

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Count intend to continued n with year