Oct. 30, 2024

RISE Above Your Self

RISE Above Your Self

One of the most difficult and sensitive discussions to have is about suicide. Prevention is one of the main topics, but the rate keeps going. And how it affects the love ones who remain can be devastating.
It’s good to have Thomas Brown on the show....

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One of the most difficult and sensitive discussions to have is about suicide. Prevention is one of the main topics, but the rate keeps going. And how it affects the love ones who remain can be devastating.
It’s good to have Thomas Brown on the show. Thomas lost his brother to suicide and he will discuss his emotions and thoughts on how he was abel to cope over the years.
He writes a book about it: “2012 - A Bicycle Odyssey” about it.
http://www.risephoenix.org

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Of competent professionals before applying or trying any suggested ideas.

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At the end of the day, it's not about what

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you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what

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you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,

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who you've made better. It's about what you've given back.

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Denzel Washington, welcome to inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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to do the same.

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Thomas, Welcome to the show.

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It's good to be here, Doctor Doug. It's thank you

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for having me. I really appreciate the opportunity.

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It's great and you're so lucky to have an easy

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last name Brown.

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Trygall Branson enough times and you'll realize where I go by,

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doctor Doug.

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Yeah, yeah, a little bit, I understand.

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Funny enough, like Thomas is my middle name and my

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first name is Chris, and for the longest time, Yeah,

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I decided to go by my middle name.

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Once Chris Brown, the R.

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And B singer, became a big name before he beat

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up his girlfriend at the time, Rihanna. But when I

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was in film school, every single time I would call

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up an order film, they would always make fun of me.

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So I was like, all right, I'm going by my

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middle name, going by Tomas us.

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I actually do that too. I know it's not my

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birth announcement. It was just call me dog.

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But my first name's after my my dad, Norman, but

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it was just always just call me Doug. So that's

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where I'm at.

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To right, all right, Well let's say page with that, okay.

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So, Hey, I'd love for you to share with the

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audience your journey. I think that would be really turned

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outus for you to do that. And I also talk

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a little bit about your book. But then we'll get

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into the contents a little bit later and really start

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talking about some things.

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Well, I think like it's important to bring up the

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book because the book is about the journey exactly.

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Yeah.

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So my book is called twenty twelve A Bicycle Odyssey,

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seven thousand mile bicycle journey for suicide awareness and the

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healing power of art. So back in two thousand and one,

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I lost my brother Mark Brown to suicide. And in

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two thousand, roughly twenty ten, I had I had known

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about this guy, but I met I met a buddy.

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I met a guy named Zach, and he lost his

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brother Sean to suicide. And I believe that was in

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two thousand and six. And before before I had met Zach,

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I didn't I had never known anybody who lost somebody

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to suicide. I probably knew a lot of people, but

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they hadn't shared it with me right And and it

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was just a little fortunitous of the connection between Zach

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and I. You know, I was working, I was at

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the time where we were both working for a parks

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uh department for a community park system, and I was

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working at the park that my brother had worked at

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when he died, and I I had known Zach and

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I had known about each other within the park system because.

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It's you know, it's it's it's it's like a small town.

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Everybody knows who everybody is, even.

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If you don't work with them on a daily basis.

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But it wasn't until a day that Zach filled in

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to cover a shift for one of my co workers.

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Then him and I really got a chance to know

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each other and talk, and I think we both took

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a shine to each.

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Other relatively early.

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It was right fast forward a couple of months.

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We decided to meet up and just get some coffee

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and and and hang out and get to know each

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other a little bit better. And he was reading a

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book that I had been reading. He was reading the

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second book in the Ishmael series by Daniel Quinn. I

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had just finished Ishmael and I was reading the Story

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of b which is the second book in the series,

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and he was reading My Ishmael, And so we had

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that to like start our conversation with. I really enjoyed

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Daniel Quinn's He really puts an emphasis on the importance

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of knowing your story, your personal story, the cultural story,

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a national story, a world story, the specie story. Just

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a massive emphasis on the It's like a level of

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self awareness that I really appreciated.

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And so Zach, you know, asked me like he had

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known that.

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I'd been going through some emotional turmoil and he asked

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me what it was, and even though this was about

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nine years after my brother had died, I was still

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I finally started going through therapy and working through that

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trauma and among other things that had shaped my life

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in a negative way. And so I told him about

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my brother and his suicide. A few hours go by,

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we're still hanging out and he's like, Hey, I just

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want to let you know my brother died of suicide too,

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And so we just had that connection that you know,

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when you have a share trauma with somebody, you don't

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really have to talk about it too much. It's like

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if you're having a bad day, you could just look

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at the person and they know they know some of

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the background that can contribute to that bad day. So

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it was just like this knowing having somebody in my

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life and knowing about that pain was.

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So helpful.

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I later found out that the hit This is where

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the fortuita stuff.

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Not only did Zach and I like our friendship build

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like really start at the place that my brother used

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to work at, but Zach and my brother shared the

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same birthday, so it was like, you know, we met

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each other.

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At the place where my brother worked at.

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We were both reading the same book on the night

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that we really made a connection, and then he had

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the same birthday as my brother, and I knew at

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the time that, like, there's something to this friendship. It

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wasn't just about chasing chasing women, playing basketball together and

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drinking getting together and drinking beers. It was some a

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little bit deeper than this. And I was dating a

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woman at the time who was a pin up model

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for a online pin up for alternative beauty.

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It was called suicide Girls.

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It's just you know, women with tattoos, dyed.

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Hair, and piercings, and so I dubbed this woman and

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Zach my suicide friends, even.

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Though one was more of like the kind of like pretentious, edgy.

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Alternative beauty, and the other one was legitimate, like lost

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somebody to suicide.

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And those are where things get even weirder. Is that

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I was. I was at the time.

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I did a lot of photography on the side, and

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the woman asked me if I would shoot a suicide

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girl a Phoenix suicide Girls community gathering.

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So I was like, yeah, sure, I'll do this. I

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don't really like club scenes or anything like that. It's

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not my speed, but I was doing it for her.

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Her and I were we had been seeing each other

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for a while, and I called Zach and I was like, hey, man,

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I need you to come hang out with me.

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Just just just kick it with me this place. This

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is a weird scene.

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And I'm just not I'm hiding behind the camera and

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I'm not really talking in to anybody.

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So he came out and I was Even though I

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was happy I had.

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This, I was I was dating this woman that I

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had a pretty decent relationship at the time with, and

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then you know, had somebody like Zach, somebody who understood

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where I was at emotionally.

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There was something inside me that was I felt like

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I was being called to something.

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I just didn't know what that calling was, but it

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was deep down inside it was driving me crazy, and

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I just knew that I needed to do something.

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I just didn't know what it was.

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So I Zach came to the bar and we hung

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out and I told him about this thing that was

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nine at me. And as I was describing it to him,

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I talked about this journey that I had gone on

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four years previously before I had met him, where I

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walked I was. I was a cameraman and a production

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assistant for a documentary that followed a group of people

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that walked from Phoenix, Arizona, to.

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Washington, d C.

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Wow, there's a group of progressive Christians that basically excuse

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me as a group of progressive Christians that they didn't

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want to go and just like spread their theology. They

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wanted to find people that vehemently disagreed with them and

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then Okay, we disagree with each other on these things

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about sexuality and civil rights and other faiths, but let's

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see what we do agree and then we'll build a relationship,

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a positive relationship from there. Like that was their intention.

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It didn't really go like that. It was more of

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like speaking to the choir literally. But I was turned

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on by that walk. Even though I'm not a Christian.

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I just felt like that the philosophy and the ideas

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I resonated with I needed to change something in my

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life at that time period, back in two thousand and six.

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So I did this walk across the country and I'm

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telling Zach about it in twenty ten and how it

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just changed my life and I wanted to do something else,

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and he's like, well, let's I think we should do something,

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and I was like, yeah, I think you're right. We

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came together for a reason. He's all, like, I wouldn't

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I wouldn't want to walk across the country, but I

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would ride my bike across the country. I was like yeah,

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He's like, hey, I think we should do it for

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our brothers. I was like, that was a brilliant idea.

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I don't know why I didn't about myself. So we

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just decided to like ride our bikes across the country.

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I just found it like fitting. The two survivors two lost,

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two suicide.

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Loss survivors discussed the idea of riding their bicycles cross

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country for suicide awareness while at a suicide girls community party.

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It was probably like kind of a girl like like what.

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Tervice McKenna would call cosmic giggles that were just you

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couldn't I couldn't deny it. And you know, about six

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months later is when we made the decision, Okay, we're

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going to do this. And it took about thirteen months

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to put it all together.

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Or and is it do the cold calls the called

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different crisis centers across the country, build a relationship and

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a partnership with the crisis center locally in Phoenix, create

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the route, do fundraising projects, get all of our gear

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and and then it was seven months of life on

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the road.

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Wow, seven months we support So it's not as crazy

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as it sounds, but I mean we.

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The support vehicle was in case somebody got injured, which

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was helpful because Zach did have like a back injury.

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From North Carolina until about Philly, so I did. I

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was doing the writing every single day from Charlotte, North Carolina,

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all the way up to Philly, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. So but

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it was, it was, it was an extraordinary experience that

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you know, by the time we had started, I had

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already come to terms with my trauma and my grief

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of losing my brother. But I was really interested in

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how other people, like, what their story was like, what

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was their relationship like with their loved ones that they lost,

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How did relationships change after they suffered that trauma and

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experienced that grief, and how how the community treated them

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as an individual, because you know, suicide has has a

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strong taboo connected to it, and I also wanted to

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learn like what people did to navigate their trauma and

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how to transcend that. And along the way we met

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an extraordinary activist therapists, people who had just low survivors

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who lost loved ones and lawmakers, and I think above

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all one of the things that I learned not only

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from the people that I met, but I learned what

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happiness means to me and how I what I should

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what I should do in order, you know, to live

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a more fulfilled life. So really kind of like opened

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me up, and it was, it was, it was a

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very eye opening experience. Uh And and and helped me

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cultivate self awareness.

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That's yeah. I mean that's great.

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And you know a couple of things that you brought

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up and and perhaps we can talk about both because

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we're we're talking about suicide awareness, all right. And and obviously,

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and I don't know, you know how young you were

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or any of that, or if you really had an

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understanding of what happened to your brother and ultimately what

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what caused that to occur. I just lost a nephew

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last month in suicide. So he and he left three daughters,

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younger daughters, and so you know, I think about them

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also and talk and you know, as you were talking,

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and think about how how do we overcome or how

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do we get past those emotions that are gonna live

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with us? Obviously, you know, for a tremendous amount of time,

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our whole lifetime. But how do we get to the

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point where it's not effectiveness emotionally and yet we still

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are honoring that individual and recognizing what happens. So, from

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a standpoint of suicide prevention, what what have you learned?

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And or is that really an area that you got

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into well.

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I mean, I think when it comes to any type

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of loss, suicides is more Confusingly, it hurts when you

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lose a loved one, you know, they die in a

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car accident, they die from a disease. Suicide is a

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little bit more confusing because there could be a lot

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of anger and you're angry towards the person that's gone,

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So it can just it could be a lot of

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different emotions.

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I apologize sorry, but I think one of the best

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things that you could do.

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Is just sit with somebody who's grieving. Don't ask what

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can I do to me?

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What can I do? As as meaningless as thoughts and prayers,

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it doesn't do anything.

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It kind of like absolves the person from having like, hey,

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I'm putting in I'm thinking about you. But I think

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like the biggest thing you could do for anybody that

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is grieving, you just show up. If you ask them

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what can I do for you?

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They're not they're not in any particular.

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State of mind to give you direction on how to

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take care of them.

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Show up. If they ask you to leave, then leave

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and then maybe show up again a week later. But

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show up. Bring them some food, encourage them to eat.

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Ask if you can help them clean their house of

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while you're there, help them with laundry.

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It's all these things that when you're in the.

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Midst of this crisis, the day to day things that

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you have to do in order to survive as a

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human being, you're not in that. You're you're in a storm.

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And it's just it's helpful for for people to just

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show up. And if and and even if they just

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listen to you talk incooherently. You know, there's nothing you

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can say that's going to take away a person's pain.

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So you know, just sit, sit there and listen. It

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doesn't matter if it makes sense. It doesn't have to.

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They like, emotion is void.

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Of logic most of the time, so and and and

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especially when it's a traumatic emotion, it's it's it's chaos.

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So just be there.

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And sit with them and be the calm, the calmness

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within the chaos in colder hand.

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Listen good to them cry, you know, maybe.

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Help them clean up and say, hey, you go sleep,

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You go to sleep, or you take a nap, or

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you just laying there and scream and stare at the ceiling.

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I'm going to do your dishes well.

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And on your journey, as you met with these different

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people who had had someone and you know, had a

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loved one take their life, my question is did you

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discover that many many developed some sense of guilt and

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so forth about why would I let that happen? Or

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I mean, does that tend to be part of what

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can happen for some people that they really take that

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internally and feel some type of responsibility when in fact

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they probably have no responsibility.

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It's the word it could have should have, scrap that

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people find themselves in, and you just need to throw

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that what it could have should have into the garbage

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because the only thing that you need to concentrate on

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is what is that's all and what is is that

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that person's gone. You can't go back in time and

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change things all right, the what it could have should

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have is a war is a is a form of

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self torment. Uh, and it's it doesn't serve you in

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the end, it's a go ahead.

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Yeah, how old was your brother?

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My brother?

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My brother was twenty nine years old.

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He was two weeks before his thirtieth birthday, and I

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was twenty.

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Four and and so you know, and I know that

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because we just went through this with my family as

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you as you went on that journey, which when you

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talk about suicide prevention, you know, we're talking about how

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do we as individuals, as family members, as friends, and

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so forth, how do we help someone who may be

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contemplating that, and how do we help those to really

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not get in that position of considering it. Is that

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something you got into at all on your journey and understanding, well, there's.

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A couple layers of that.

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If you're somebody that lost somebody to suicide, and I'm

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thinking of your nephew's three children, there's a saying that

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prevention for the next postvention is the prevention for the

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next generation. So if you lost someone to suicide, getting therapy,

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either one on one or a support group in a

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group setting is paramount. Being around people that have the

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same experience.

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I don't think you should force.

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Anybody into that, but they need know that it's an

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option and they should be encouraged to do it. In

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terms of if somebody is in crisis, you know, that's

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I think that's still a big that's still a big question,

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even for for.

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People who work in prevention and awareness.

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A person has to be willing to help themselves.

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It's it helps to.

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Have a good circle of of you know, a good

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strong circle of influence around you, people that are that

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love you, people that are willing to help you. But

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you also have to be willing to walk through that door.

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You can't force somebody to walk through a door if

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they are in crisis. There's you know, nine eight eight

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is the phone number that you can text or call

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if if you're worried about somebody and they're not making

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the phone call or they're not making.

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That text message.

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I encourage any listener that knows somebody that is struggling

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to call that number and get information and get as

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much find all the tools that they have available to

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themselves in that community, in their community. When it comes

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to something that I learned about myself and that I've noticed, Oh,

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not only on the bike ride. I've kind of like

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I've come to this understanding about the importance of self

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awareness and awareness in the realm of mental health. Self

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awareness isn't encouraged in our society, for our citizens, it's

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not encouraged at all.

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Imagine if there was a class.

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That we had when we started in kindergarten that was

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like every other class that just built on itself, but

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it was a class that helped you, teach you, that

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helped you learn yourself and also provided different tools of

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a stress reduction, whether it's through meditation, through breathing meditation,

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through thought meditation, through moving meditation, through art meditation, all

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the different forms. To me, I feel like it was

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the lack of self awareness that was the nail in

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the coffin for my brother. If you don't know who

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you are, you don't know what you want in this world.

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If you don't know who you are, there's an entire

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world telling you, in demanding who you should be.

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Well, and you know, I think you've hit it on

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the head when you think about that. To be able

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to start at an early age and really help them

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to develop that self awareness, that self discovery, you know,

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trying to figure out and understanding potentially what their purpose

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is and so forth.

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That makes such a huge difference because if.

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That's not happening, then what happens, and I have some

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experience with this, is that they get to a point

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where that emotional is so tough on them that, as

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you know, they get to a point where they just

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don't know whether it's worth it. But then oftentimes they

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get put on medication because of that, and in some

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cases the result and the side effect of that medication

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is that they take their own life. And that has

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been shown now scientifically over another years and in fact

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a few number years ago that finally came out after

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you know, some people.

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Have experienced that.

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So how do we how do we start as parents,

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how do we start as individuals to help our young

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people as well as ourselves and others to start really

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doing that self awareness, that self discovery and really get

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to the point where when issues come up they have

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the ability to handle that in a different way.

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The different self awareness is like a very vast because

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like one of the you know, I use it. My

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cultivation of self awareness has not only helped me to

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learn what I'm what I love in life and what

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I'm passionate about life and what i want to do

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with my life.

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But it also helps.

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Me when I'm like, when I'm in the presence of

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somebody who's really difficult, my body will tell me before

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my mind, does, you know, when I'm working at the

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library and I just have this kind of like expectation

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that that's the job that I have, the day job,

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all this other stuff. The passion that I have, uh

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you know, in the in the rest of the world

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is that I do outside of work. But the library

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to me is I'm very passionate about as well, because

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it's the last place in our society that you can

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go to without the expectation of spending money, and we're

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a bridge for a lot of people that are in crisis.

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But when I'm at the library and I'm.

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Work in the front desk and we get some interesting characters,

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you know, we get some like you wouldn't expect the

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level of difficulty that we get from somebody that isn't

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even in crisis. So you're kind of like have this

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expectation that, like, I'm going to deal with some with

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some troublesome individuals today, So you can know that going in.

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When you go to a service point.

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But for me, it's like, even though I have that

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expectation up in my head, it's not until my body

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starts to like give me these tells that, Okay, this

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person is actually on my nerves. It comes in like

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a tightness of the chest, the heart, palpitation, sweaty palms,

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my knee is bouncing. So it's just like, I feel

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like self awareness not only can help you with your purpose,

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but it helps you to understand your body and how

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you're responding.

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To any any situation.

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Now that I got that out of way, how do

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we encourage that? That's a big That's an even bigger

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question because most people don't go on a journey of

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self awareness.

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Unless they've won, suffered a trauma on our.

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Grieving, or they need a Humanity's credit to get there

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to get their degree, and they wander into an Eastern

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philosophy class in college and their mind is blown. And

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the thing about self awareness, it's like any other skill.

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Some people are born with an innate, deep understanding of

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who they are, separate from every institution in their community

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that they've been influenced by, Just like some people are

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born and they can shoot a basketball really well.

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But if you're one those individuals.

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That hasn't been born with that, you know, you can

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cultivate it, just like you can cultivate a jump shot

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if you if you don't have that innate talent. And

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I think it starts with just having like meditation practice, but.

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Also understanding what meditation is.

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It's not about cleaning the mind. It's about understanding the

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garbage that's in your head. It's about understanding and focusing

477
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:27.119
on your body and where you hold tension. It's it's

478
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:32.119
about understanding your body and and and that's to me

479
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:34.200
was like one of the first things that I was

480
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.799
taught was doing a breathing meditation while also starting at

481
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:40.279
my toes and going all the way up to my

482
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:42.039
head and then back down to my toe my.

483
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:46.160
Toes and recognizing where I'm holding tension.

484
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:48.359
And the more and where you do that, you start

485
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:50.680
to you you don't even have to be in a

486
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:54.240
meditative space state to recognize tension.

487
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:56.200
It could be a situation, you know, like.

488
00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:00.559
Oh, like I I'm nervous or I'm upset, and it's

489
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:03.400
because of what's happening, And it couldn't It may not

490
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:08.240
even be a situation that like is blatantly stressful, but

491
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:10.519
your body is going to let you know how you're

492
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:11.440
responding to it.

493
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:14.720
I think literature is another good place to start.

494
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:20.200
Like everybody's gonna find their their literary teachers.

495
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:23.359
My big one.

496
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:26.200
I'm a big Alan Watts fan, even though I do

497
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.119
realize he's a bit of a of a drunk and

498
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:30.319
and maybe a hash head.

499
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.000
But the stuff, you know, it's it's it's the lesson.

500
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.799
It's the lessons, not the teacher, or it's it's the message,

501
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:40.000
not the deliverer, not the message, not the messenger.

502
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:43.240
Sorry, Alan Watts was was big for me.

503
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:47.240
I really enjoyed Tick, not Han and some of the

504
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:48.720
stuff that that.

505
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.720
He writes about. But the biggest thing for me, and

506
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.400
this might be surprising to some people, and it's it's

507
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:58.000
it shows up in my book.

508
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:03.240
I am a big nurse and I am a passionate,

509
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.680
passionate fan of story and storytelling. So before I go on,

510
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:11.839
another author which I came to before the bike ride,

511
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:15.720
that I find as a teacher is Joseph Campbell, the

512
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.000
Mythologist and so.

513
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:21.839
Those literary techno Han, Alan.

514
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.920
Watson, Joseph Campbell probably the biggest ones, but outside of them,

515
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:29.720
I love storytelling. You're not going to it does not

516
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.200
even matter how commercial a story may be, whether it's

517
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:38.920
a book, it's music, or a movie. You cannot not

518
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:43.279
tell the human story, the human condition in any type

519
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:43.759
of story.

520
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:45.319
How is that possible?

521
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:49.279
Because all stories are written from humans, from human experience.

522
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:57.559
So every you know, so, like, what forms of storytelling

523
00:29:57.759 --> 00:29:58.839
are you consuming?

524
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:01.559
And what why?

525
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:05.440
Or do you watch this television show? Why do you watch.

526
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:07.799
This movie series?

527
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:10.000
Like what is it about? Why do you listen to

528
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:10.640
this music?

529
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:12.599
If you're just into it because you like the sound

530
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.039
of the music, that's one thing, But there's still a

531
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:19.039
story being told in the sound outside.

532
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:19.200
Of the lyrics.

533
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:21.960
Why do you like this music? Is because of the lyrics?

534
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:25.400
What is a story being told? Why does that resonate

535
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.680
with you? Is it resonating with you because you have

536
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:31.839
a lived experience or it's something that you aspire to

537
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:35.559
live up to in an archetypical sense, or is it

538
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.160
just something like everybody else is listening to it.

539
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.480
And that's why I'm doing it, and I'm going along.

540
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:42.839
With the crowd so I can have something to talk about,

541
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:46.920
you know, in the office water cooler conversation.

542
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:49.599
Well, and you talk I know on your website you

543
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:51.839
talk about and this is one thing that just hit

544
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:54.279
me real fast when I looked at it. Mental health

545
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:58.920
equals mindfulness begins with mindfulness. Yeah, and that's what you're

546
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:01.359
really talking about, is that we have to be so

547
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:07.039
mindful aware of what's going on subconsciously and what's around us,

548
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.599
that we recognize how that can or cannot affect our

549
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.640
emotional help. And I know you talk about the four

550
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:19.119
seas that you I assume have developed. Can you share

551
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.319
with the audience what those four seas are?

552
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:23.759
It's been a lot of times since I've talked about that,

553
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:27.960
so you know, community, was it?

554
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:31.839
Community, collaboration, creativity, and compassion.

555
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:35.240
Yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you. I've been on such

556
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:38.519
a different I've been on the awareness thing. I think

557
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:40.880
the four season is just it's it's it's a no

558
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.000
brainer art in creativity.

559
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:48.839
A society that is thriving is one that supports the arts.

560
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:51.960
One of my favorite quotes comes from Terrence M.

561
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:58.799
Mccannaugh where he says that, oh, oh now I just

562
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.200
left me. It's like so much information in my head.

563
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:03.839
Sometimes I just have to calm down and breathe arts.

564
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:07.200
Task is to save the soul of mankind, and anything

565
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.559
less is a dithering while wrong burns. It is the

566
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:13.599
artists who are self selected to journey into the other.

567
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.440
So if the artist cannot find the way, then the

568
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:19.880
way it cannot be found. It takes a creative mind

569
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.640
to solve complex problems, all right.

570
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:26.079
So that's like the four c is, that's.

571
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.599
One of the biggest ones is that we need to

572
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:33.880
we need to be able to think differently about about

573
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:37.240
issues that we're dealing with.

574
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:38.559
Community.

575
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:42.680
You shouldn't be the only person that's doing it by yourself.

576
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.160
You need to have people around you. And a part

577
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:49.440
of community is to be able to collaborate. In collaboration,

578
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.759
you also have to realize that that you have to sacrifice.

579
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.000
Sometimes there's a.

580
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:56.480
Give and take in working with a community.

581
00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:01.319
I think a strong community is one that's filled with

582
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.279
individuals that understand who they are.

583
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:05.559
And what they want in this world.

584
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:08.480
Compassion, doesn't it?

585
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:08.759
Yeah?

586
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:12.359
And compassion and with compassion that kind of goes to

587
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:14.920
I have three And this is why like I kind

588
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:18.920
of like stalled on the four seas because I've really

589
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:19.920
been talking about with.

590
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:23.720
Special with my book The awareness, and I don't really

591
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.400
just talk about it in the book as much. It's

592
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:29.319
kind of like an echo in the background. But I

593
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.720
booke and and I'm sure anybody can break this down

594
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:33.519
into different ways that they want, but I break down

595
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:38.279
awareness into three forms. You have self awareness, spatial awareness,

596
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:44.559
and social awareness. And social awareness is what cultivates compassion

597
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:49.240
and empathy, which is important if we're going to work

598
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:53.960
together in a community to solve problems. And the idea

599
00:33:54.000 --> 00:34:02.960
of social awareness is understanding what paradigm other people live in.

600
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:05.640
My view of reality.

601
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:12.960
Is followed through the filter of a white heterosexual male.

602
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:17.079
That's how my reality is filtered through me.

603
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:23.800
If I want to learn about even just a white female,

604
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:28.360
I need you know, my compassion and my empathy is

605
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:30.960
only going to take me so far, but I need

606
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:32.880
to be willing to go as far as I can

607
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:36.880
and push that limit. I can't know their experience because

608
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.639
I am not of that ilk. I'm not going to

609
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.960
know what it's like to be a person of color

610
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:48.000
or a person of different sexual orientation because I don't

611
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:54.119
live in that meat sack of reality and I don't

612
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.000
have that filter. But if I want to grow as

613
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.880
an individual, if I want to expand my compactis then

614
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:05.119
I need to be have that awareness to understand that

615
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:09.599
I don't know that person's lived experience. But in order

616
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:13.079
to be a better, you know, a healthier person, not

617
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.920
only for myself, but for my circle of influence, for

618
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.840
the community that I'm within, I need to at least

619
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:22.320
take the steps to understand and learn this other individual's

620
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:25.239
experience and existence in this world.

621
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:28.320
And you know what, that in my mind, that is

622
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.440
so important, and I've had that experience. It's been interesting

623
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:35.719
as I've interviewed different people from different cultures, were different

624
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:40.679
ethnic groups. It's amazing as we talk, and sometimes we

625
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:46.960
do this after we've videotaped everything, but it's interesting to

626
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.960
realize that, you know, here we sit in our own lives,

627
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.599
as you say, we have our own perception, our own experience,

628
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:56.239
and we don't understand what's going on there. And oftentimes

629
00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:00.800
the lack of understanding causes us to quite frankly, be

630
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.480
a little bit prejudiced towards something, or angry towards something,

631
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.559
or unforgiving or whatever that happens to be. But at

632
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.480
least in my experience, the minute you do exactly what

633
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.719
you're talking about and you reach out and you seek

634
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:18.360
to understand, and it's not that you have to agree,

635
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.719
but to seek to understand what they're going through and

636
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:26.159
potentially the emotions and all these things they're going through

637
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:30.000
all of a sudden is like, holy cow, I had

638
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:33.400
no idea, And you're right. What that brings about is

639
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.400
a sense of compassion.

640
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:38.239
For others that oftentimes we don't have.

641
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.639
When I was shooting the documentary about the group of Christians,

642
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:48.920
there was this bishop that walked with us on the

643
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:50.880
tail end of a tropical storm as.

644
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:52.880
We were walking into Washington, DC.

645
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:57.440
And I remember having my camera, like I duct taped

646
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:01.199
a garbage bag around the lens so that the camera

647
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.440
was in a plastic case, and I was just holding

648
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:07.239
the camera and I was having a conversation with this

649
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.480
bishop and I was just you know, I hit record

650
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:14.039
and he he just shared with me. He's like, you know,

651
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:17.480
I had to change my theology of the civil rights

652
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:20.039
movement and meeting people that were a part of that

653
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:21.639
helped me.

654
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:24.440
Cured me of my racism.

655
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:29.039
Raising daughters cured me of my sexism, and working with

656
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:33.480
people of different sexual orientation cured me of my bigotry

657
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:36.599
of the LGBT community, and I.

658
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.880
Think that that's just important. We're going to get along.

659
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.239
It's easy to just.

660
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:46.480
Not like something because it's different. It's so easy. It's

661
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:51.039
so easy. I mean, my first my first reaction, I mean,

662
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:53.719
I think of myself as a horrible person. My first

663
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.840
reaction when I need anybody is like, who's this a whole?

664
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:00.840
Like that's easily my first reaction. It's just it's just

665
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:03.159
like this weird defense mechanism within me.

666
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:07.199
And I understand that, like, you know, on a on

667
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:12.760
an animalistic level, the human animal looks at every situation

668
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.320
and says, can I eat it?

669
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.480
Can I have sex with it? Or is it a

670
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:18.960
threat to me?

671
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:19.960
And I need to run away?

672
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:24.719
And like that's like the like outside of like learning language,

673
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:31.079
our base impulsives hasn't really changed much in our evolutionary spectrum.

674
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.719
So I I just like understand it, like that's me

675
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.559
just being a jerk, and it's not. And I always

676
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.960
say I have that first reaction, but I tell myself, Okay,

677
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:42.599
that's just your alarm system.

678
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:46.599
That's that's that's your overly sensitive alarm system.

679
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:49.920
This you know you you like this, this guy has

680
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.199
a better beard than you, and you're just being a jerk.

681
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:56.440
And that's that's where your mindfulness comes in, isn't it.

682
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:59.199
Yeah, yeah, and go ahead.

683
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:03.119
It's just it's just something that like h it would

684
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:05.360
never hurt us to pay a little bit more attention

685
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:09.920
to our thoughts and understand why we have those thoughts.

686
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:14.119
Like any you know, who am I outside of what.

687
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.360
Society tells me I should be is probably and I

688
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:19.920
can't you know, I say it in my in my book,

689
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:27.280
like the fact that that we don't have uh that

690
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:35.320
that are our educational institutions don't teach self awareness to

691
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.679
to us as a society is either it's it's only

692
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:39.519
there's only two.

693
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:43.599
Reasons why it could be. It's either negligence or it's nefarious.

694
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.599
There's no there's no other reason why they wouldn't be

695
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:48.719
teaching that either either they the.

696
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:50.559
People who who who.

697
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.039
You know, write the policies just aren't thinking of it,

698
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:57.559
which I think it's probably more inclined that it's just

699
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:03.480
negligence or those like a sinister you know, it's easier

700
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:05.840
to manipulate people when they don't have a.

701
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:09.679
Sense of self or they just do not get it.

702
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:11.440
And that's why I hay negligence.

703
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:15.079
They just don't like they just don't get it well.

704
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.599
And you know, as we as we come to the

705
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.079
end of the conversation, what would be the message.

706
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.440
That you really would like to share with the audience.

707
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:30.880
Your one true.

708
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:37.480
Job on this planet is to understand who you are

709
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:41.159
and what you're about and why you do the things

710
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:45.320
and believe the things that you believe. Because there's only

711
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:48.599
it doesn't matter how much you alienate yourself from the

712
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:51.119
rest of the world, you are going to be stuck

713
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:53.840
with one person from cradle.

714
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:55.239
To grave, and that's you.

715
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:59.880
So you better get comfortable and learn everything you can about.

716
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:02.360
Yeah, I love it.

717
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:03.920
I love it, Thomas.

718
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.280
This has been interesting, and you know, I really appreciate

719
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:12.039
the fact that you've been so transparent because obviously suicide

720
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.199
is such a difficult thing to deal with, and society

721
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:18.000
has kind of been real nervous about and trying to

722
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.039
create words that are not going to be offensive. But

723
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:23.880
the reality is, and as we talk about compassion to

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be able to understand what's going on, to be able

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to in some way work towards that prevention, and then

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what you've experienced, and I think part of what your

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book is all about is to be able to help

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those people who have experienced that trauma in their life

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to be able to ultimately work through it to the

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point where it's not affecting in them negatively anymore in

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their lives. So as you say, they can move on,

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they can find their own self there in her purpose

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and really move forward without not letting it totally affect them.

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Memory's never going to be gone, never going to be gone,

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but to be able to get to the point where

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you look at it and go, all right, I'm going

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to do something about it for the future generations. And

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I think you hit on the good point is all

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we can do with these experiences is what can we

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do to help prevent this any further in our generations?

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And I think that becomes the keyse So thank you

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so much.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate you, Doug Well, and I really appreciate what

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you're willing to share with us and folks.

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I hope this has made a difference for you.

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And again it's nine eight eight right that people should

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yeah yeah is an issue you can call text yeah,

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please be aware and let's see if we can't help

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our society and our culture to be able to literally

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help start preventing this horrific situation that goes on so

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those doctor dogs saying have a wonderful week and now

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mistay there are two times to return to Cot and

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turned year