Move Your Body, Enhance Your Mind

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It's about what you've done with those
accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted

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up, who you've made better.
It's about what you've given back. Denzel

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Washington, welcome to inspire vision.
Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives

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of others and to inspire you to
do the same. Caret Don how are

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you doing, Hey, Doug.
I'm doing wonderful. Thank you for I

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appreciate you being on the show.
Now you told me earlier. Where are

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you at right now? I'm actually
an Osic Croatia, North Far Northeast Croatia.

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Yeah, wow wow, and I'm
sitting in Thailand, so entirely different

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experience here. It's amazing what we
can do with technology, isn't it?

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Yeah? Truly, Yeah, it
really is. Hey, listen, what

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I'd love for you to do is
kind of share with the audience who you

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are and you're doing a lot of
things, Like you kind of explained some

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of that, and also how did
you know your story? How did you

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get to the point of doing what
you're doing at this point in time in

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life. Yeah, So let's say
I want to just narrow it down and

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say that I'm radical on doing trainer, and we'll get into what exactly that

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is. That's probably the easiest and
simplest way to describe who I am and

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what I do, and to explain
that radical on doing as a body movement

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and breathing methodology that breaks apart chronic
tension in the body and then clears out

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a lot of the garbage that goes
on in the mind. That's the simplest

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way I can put it. Gets
people out of what I call the hell

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of the mind and back into the
body, back into actuality. Oh,

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I ended up doing that. I
was struggling with all kinds of things,

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let's say twenty years ago or for
most of my childhood, even like anxiety,

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depression, just various kinds of mental
suffering and distential kind of onwui and

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all this kind of stuff. And
so I had become a punk rocker and

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I had become a protester, and
all this rebellion got into this rebellion kind

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of thing. And at the end
of that kind of internal battle, let's

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say I was externalized. Then I
started to realize that something internally maybe was

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wrong or was driving that, and
I became like what I call seeker.

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And so then I started reading everything, studying everything I could find, I

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mean, every religion, every technique, really weird stuff, like anything you

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could possibly imagine. And at the
end result of that, I found this

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technique in this teacher which was the
radical on doing work, and he had

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a book called Undoing Yourself with Energized
Meditation. This book had a bunch of

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weird stuff in it, but it
had solid exercises, just simple physical exercises

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that I could try out. And
I was an experimenter, so I applied

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those. Probably over the course of
a year, I did a bunch of

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these physical experiments and then other kind
of cognitive experiments, some more adventures out

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in the world, and let's say
creative experiments, all kinds of things like

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this, and then that culminated in
doing a full laydown session where you're laying

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in a certain position, doing very
specific breathing and doing body movements. And

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I had such a profound experience.
Now at that point, I was doing

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it out of a book. I
laid down, I did the must have

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amount of two about two hours,
and at the end of that experience,

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I was like so filled with life
force, so filled with a lot of

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these terms I don't like to use
because they get co opted by, let's

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say, some of these New Age
movements and things like this, so they

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don't get people get easily confused with
this type of terminology. But I don't

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know how better to describe it.
I was just overwhelmingly filled with awareness and

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life force, Like my fingers were
tingling and buzzing my whole body, And

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at that point I looked down,
I saw my fingers moving, or my

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toes, and it was mind blowing, just that, Wow, my foot

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is way down there and I can
move it. So the way I describe

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it is, I became aware that
I actually have a body, and looking

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back, I saw, okay,
I only had the idea of a body

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up until now. And that started
sort of a cascade of revelations or awakenings

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where I realized most of what I
had been doing with the seeking was just

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filling my head with new vocabularies for
describing things. But nothing was changing.

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Nothing was different in my life.
I just had a new vocabulary. I

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might meet a new friend group and
now we talk about these subjects instead of

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these subjects, but nothing was fundamentally
different. With this work, I was

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brought back down to ground zero,
back into my own physicality. And then

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I could tell the difference, and
this is key. I could tell the

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difference between the garbage going on in
my mind, so all the interpretations,

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all the reactions to internal and external
stimuli. I could tell the difference between

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the imagination and the contents versus what
was actually happening. So a lot of

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my fears started to dissolve because I
could see, Okay, there's no threat

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on my life. What am I
doing sitting here feeling afraid or if I'm

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upset, if I'm sad. So
suddenly it was like I had stumbled into

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a new world of actuality, and
I could see the difference between where I

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was trapped in my mind, and
then being here didn't mean everything got easier,

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but it meant that I had some
ground under my feet to start to

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move forward in life instead of living
in this life dominated by the imagination and

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emotional reactions. From there, then
I could see that this was going on

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in other people. And as I
went deeper and deeper, I went and

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met the author of that book and
then studied under him, ended up going

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to massage school, got deep with
so I got deep into my body.

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It was like it was activated.
So I got deep with rock climbing,

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even some mountain rescue courses, rope
work, was riding my bicycle every day,

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got into body weight conditioning, a
bunch of different martial arts. It

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just was like a body kind of
renaissance in my life. And then as

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a result of all that and then
doing the massage school meeting with the teacher,

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I realized this was something I wanted
to do with other people, mostly

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by the urging of people that saw
what I was going through and We're like,

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what is this you're doing? What
is this stuff you're practicing all the

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time? Can I try it out? So I'm sure, yeah, sure,

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why not? And after a few
years of just doing that for free

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with friends and sharing it around.
I started to realize, we, wow,

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this is actually a potent thing and
that the people can benefit from this.

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So so I ended up creating a
business out of it, and that

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was over the course of let's say
seven years that it took, you know,

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training and getting into the life of
the body. A lot more answers

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the question. So now you're you're
helping other people through this process that you've

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been talking about and helping. So
let's talk about because you're well. One

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thing that you said that I found
really interesting, and this probably has nothing

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to do with what we were going
to talk about, but you said that

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as you were younger and you were
experiencing a lot of that stuff that you

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got into protests, you're a protester
and those types of things. In today's

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world, we see that happening right
now all over the place. What would

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you say, is the mental cause
what is causing such protests going on?

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Some of it absolutely has some validity
to it, so I don't want to

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negate any validity. But at the
same time, we're seeing a lot of

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stuff going on that probably is just
people are getting caught up in the moment

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and getting involved in these protests and
creating issues and so forth. What's your

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take on that and what did you
experience and how did you get out of

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that mentality? Man, it's a
long road, but and I was deep,

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deep into it. I wasn't just
you know, a liberal protester seems

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to like punk rock. And at
first, you know, when I was

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very angry and say fifteen sixteen,
it was really deep into that world.

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And then I had this sense of
rebellion, and I had this sense of

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unfairness, like, oh, these
people are oppressed. That person's oppressed,

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And coupled with seeing a lot of
my parents and my friend's parents were I

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saw that the standard was kind of
this mediocre dislike for the work that people

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are doing and they yet they're just
trudging off to do it, and no

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one's doing anything about that, and
no one's doing anything to address that.

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So that was maybe the first thing
I noticed when I was younger. We

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go camping on the weekends. All
the fun stuff happens on the weekends,

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and everybody's having a good time and
then they're miserable during the week So that

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was like the first trigger for me. And then let me simplify it,

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boil it down. It's chronic tension
in the body Number one that's been dropped

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out of awareness. So you might
know with people with the chronic back pain,

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but they have to work a job, their life depends on it.

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Then during the day they won't feel
the back pain at all. It'll just

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drop out of awareness. But then
when they get home, when they start

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to relax, then they feel it
again. It starts to really put pressure

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on them. So this chronic tension
builds up over time, and I believe

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it correlates with inaccuracies or falsities in
the minds. So lies in the mind

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tension in the body. They require
each other. And in my case,

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it was that anger and that rebellion, and I didn't know how to handle

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the internal struggle, so it became
externalized. I wanted to fight against even

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civilization itself. Oh, we were
better off when we were hunter gatherers,

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you know. I was all the
way to that extreme, you know,

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So the war would never end,
no matter what success you have in that

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as a protester. It's like,
if you're going after industrial civilization, there's

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just no way. So it was
absurd and at some point I started to

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realize it was absurd, But the
reason behind it was I saw some injustices.

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My mom was kind of like a
more old school liberal, so she

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was anti war, you know,
anti gigantic business, anti people getting oppressed.

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And my dad was more working class
electrician, not as involved in that

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same mindset, but some of that
influence from her then made me more keen

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to observing. Let's say, what
I proceved injustice. And once I started

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looking down that rabbit hole, it's
started to absorb all my awareness. And

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that was a way, I think, to not deal with what was going

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on inside me, to not actually
confront Yeah, go ahead, Yeah,

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And that's interesting. You know that
so often, and I appreciate what you're

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saying there. It's really those internal, subconscious situations that are going on in

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our lives that are causing that stress, that angernxiety, that anger, all

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that type of thing, and then
we express it externally. And the reason

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I wanted to ask you that because
as I've interviewed an number of people,

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and you know, we're talking about
how do we help with anxiety? How

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do we help with all of these
issues that people are experiencing emotionally and everyone

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says, well, you know,
the first step is awareness, and so

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my first question then to them is
how can you be aware? What are

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the signs? And I think you've
so well described here the fact that okay,

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you know what, here's what you
were doing, and you suddenly became

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aware that this was all internal rather
than external, and yet you were you

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were responding in an external way.
So for the audience, I just I

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think it's so important for them to
understand that as they look at their life,

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as they look at their behavior,
if if it's not making total sense

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to them, it's time to do
that awareness. Introspective type of situation shouldn't

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figure out what's going on. Let's
talk about body movements. You're you're the

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first one I've talked to about body
movements, now, will I will say,

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from what you're telling me, it
sounds a little bit different than yoga,

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and if it's not, then you
know, let me know that.

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But this is interesting because what you're
saying is body movements that are simple can

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demolish anxiety and make your life seventy
five percent more fun. So I love

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to play with those numbers. Yeah, could you share with the audience a

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little bit about that. Yeah,
well it's uh. Let me preface it

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by saying, I use this model
for explanation called two worlds. Model one

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is the world of simplified I'll call
it the world of words. So let's

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say there's like a globe, like
a snow globe that goes from here and

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then up around here, like above
us, above your head, and inside

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that is all all these reactions,
interpretations, abstractions. Right, So there's

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a real physical life event that happens, or a memory of something, or

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an imaginary future catastrophe, something like
this, and then the person reacts to

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the contents of the imagination as if
it's real. This causes tension. So

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if we're all all sitting in a
room together, there's no physical threat present,

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but one person is terrified of some
imaginary thing in the future. Another

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person's really sad, another person's full
of anxiety or having a panic attack or

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something like this. They're reacting to
things that are not physically present, so

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they're not grounded in the mind is
somewhere else than where the body is.

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So a lot of systems, a
lot of psychology, a lot of approaches

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try to deal intellectually with that situation. Or chemically with that situation chemically,

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whether it's illegal drugs or psychiatric meds
or whatever. So what I discovered with

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the radical undoing work is that you
use the body. You go straight to

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the body first and break apart the
chronic tensions, and then that produces the

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ability to have more awareness. So
simple exercise like face stretching, really slow

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movements but with a lot of contraction
and intensity of the face. And the

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reason this works for like five minutes
I should have had too. It's not

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just a quick thing. But you
slow down, you breathe, you do

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stretch the face for five minutes,
nice and slow, lots of intensity.

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The reason that's so important is there's
a greater amount of physical brain matter monitoring

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the facial muscles. Those should be
obvious for a number of reasons, like

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when the mouth, this is where
we get our food, our sustenance,

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the no this is where all our
sensory receptors. Most of our sensory receptors

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are located. So we need the
brain needs to monitor these functions and these

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muscles, and then the brain is
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in the face to see like if
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showing disgust, for example, or
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the fake smile, you know,
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or different kinds of things like this. So we're constantly looking at other

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people's faces. They're perceiving our faces, and we're gathering all kinds of data

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about the stage or the condition that
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out from our own face. So
when you do the face stretches, you

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get back to neutral. So one
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you're not dragging emotional reactivity and baggage
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stop, do the face stretches,
get back to neutral, and now you

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can perceive what's going on for other
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for you. That's one simple way
that the face stretches work. There's way

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more to it than that, but
that's one aspect of where the body starts

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to be act as an interface with
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out this trash from there. Well, and I love that. I love

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how you described that we're circled.
Our head is circled you know, with

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all of that stuff and just you
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creates our reality, those those beliefs, everything that we consciously are not even

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aware of creates a reality for us. And and yet what you're you know,

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what you're really describing, which I
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on something more physical, it takes
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you become what we would refer to
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something and initially, at least I
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as you talk about that, you
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of body movements and so forth,
share with the audience, really, what

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type of activities, what type of
time commitment, What are some of the

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things that people can understand they can
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that might help them, and how
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day to be able to do that. Yeah, these are that's a great

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question. Thank you for asking that, because that's an important one. This

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work isn't a quick fix, though
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dedication. I'll explain what I mean
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give you the basic times let's say
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permanent shift in one's life, meaning
that you're grounded and you know forever,

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the difference between the workings of the
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would say I would say two years, sometimes more, sometimes less, but

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two years is kind of a a
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deep with that, and they'll have
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who wishes and thinks about doing things
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That's an interesting side effect because a
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just automatically. If there are ones
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If they're just things the person thinks
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dad or other people, those will
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I had a client I saw the
guitar. It reminded me of a client

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who was just pressuring himself to do
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but he just couldn't get himself to
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together for a while, he realized, Man, I only ever started learning

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guitar so I could pick up women
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high school. I don't want to
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the guitar. But up until then, he was so desperate that he was

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a guitarist. He needed to do
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even interested in this. Then a
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to answer the question about timing for
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beginning, a person could get started, like with what I have on the

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YouTube. I put a little playlist
which is just face stretches, this shoulder

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exercise, something called the flop,
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might take. Let's say we do
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on the face in the morning,
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shoulders exercise, two three minutes on
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three minutes on the laughing breath.
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those every single day, let's say
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minutes in the morning, that alone
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over two weeks, over a month. One caveat there is that the

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results of this type of work,
some of them are instant. Sometimes you

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do the shoulders, you feel immediate
relief. You know, the mind is

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a little more clear, you feel
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in the cumulative results, because every
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then when you sleep at night,
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the body image at a lesser amount
of chronic tension. So chronic tension has

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become normalized. And then we mimic
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up, so we don't even know
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this kind of tension like almost everyone
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be squeezed, or the legs to
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locked, or to be standing with
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all these different things. Or the
diaphragm to be tight. If you watch

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people breathe, you know, or
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is all locked up. So when
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everything moving, get the life force
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the most physical way, nothing woo
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Then the results become humulative, meaning
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you might be overwhelmed with thoughts getting
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of weeks, a lot of that
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notice the jaw is not tense anymore. It's hanging loose most of the time

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when you're relaxed. It's not,
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The voice. Sometimes people you'll hear
people's voices, Hi, thanks for

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calling, you know, whatever it
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trapped here. When I work with
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when it starts to move down.
It starts, you know, moves from

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here, and then this tension breaks
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throat and then eventually you can feel
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into the belly, you know,
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the voice breaking apart systematically. So
all this is to say, this work

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gives you cumulative results. So even
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fifteen, twenty minutes a day,
the results are going to start to

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compound and compound because then now say
you're not carrying that tension with you,

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the shoulders are less tense, so
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so less cortisol flowing through the body, for example, less reactivity.

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life, you suddenly don't have issues
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so the results are weird in that
it could take six months to notice a

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result that already started happening five months
earlier. Because someone will say, you

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know, one specific client comes to
mind. He said, Oh, my

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wife was so amazed. I went
to dinner at my father in laws and

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in the past we used to fight
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we ended up getting along looking on
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wife were just standing there like,
who is this man? What happened?

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You know? And he didn't even
remember that he had a bad time with

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that guy prior to that, So
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you know, but somewhere in there
in breaking that chronic tension, lessening

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the reactivity, then suddenly you're not
the tension isn't reasserting by getting into conflict

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with other people and getting into conflict
with your own ideas, getting into conflict

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with your family, with with society
in general. So you become more available.

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Say, if the face isn't the
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issues out, it's then receiving.
You're perceiving more things coming in from other

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people. So then of course you're
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Sorry, go ahead. It's interesting
because you talk about it could take up

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to two years, and yet you
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you know, based on what I've
read, it's anywhere from thirty days to

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ninety days for a habit to change. So there has to be that personal

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focus and willingness to develop that new
habit of the face stretching whatever, you

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know, whatever those exercises are,
and we'll talk about that a little bit

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later, but whatever they are,
it takes time to develop the habit.

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And then after that thirty sixty ninety
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It's something that's natural. And then, as you say, for some,

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and this is what's really amazing to
me, for some people boom instantaneous,

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all of a sudden things are happening, and for other people, like you

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said, for some, it could
take a year to two years for them

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to finally feel and sense that freedom
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find that really interesting that how some
people work so fast and other people take

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a lot longer. Yeah, that
is kind of fascinating. And I don't

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always know the reason for that.
But sometimes a person, you know,

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people could have a whole family,
you know, a family, they've had

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kids, now they have a job, and then they start to realize that

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they weren't really present when they were
choosing these things. They weren't really aware

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when they were putting this life together, and then that starts to come unraveled.

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That's why I leave the word radical
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the word ondoing, because it's not
really for people who are just looking for

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some simple anxiety relief. It's like
a whole internal you know, destruction and

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reconstruction in a way, and it
can be intense. It can be scary

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at times, especially if we've been
living in reactivity, and some people are

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scared when they notice that they're not
afraid of things anymore. Now they're thinking,

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oh man, how could I get
by if I don't have this reaction?

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What am I going to? Some
threats going to happen because I'm not

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alert and afraid, you know what
I mean. There's some bizarre contradictions that

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people have to face, and it
takes repeated efforts over time until you can

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really let go of some of that
stuff. But the beauty of the radical

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doing work because it's a physical thing. It doesn't matter what the mind is

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throwing at you. And once you
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you can go, Okay, the
mind's trying to tempt me into all these

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reactions, but I'm not going to
go there. You have an option suddenly,

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Well, the physical thing is you
do. It's interesting you talk about

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how people can go through that and
find that, hey, the job that

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they're doing isn't what they really want
to do. And oftentimes, you know,

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I've worked with clients when I was
doing some more business consulting and it's

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like, you know what In fact, I remember one client specifically, he

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came to me says, I need
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like, all right, so what
do we do. Well, let's start

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looking at the business from the perspective
of what can we do with the business

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to help you to have more time, And that was the focus that we

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did. But so often I find
people say, well, I really don't

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like my job, and you know, the mentality is they need to find

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something else, and yet they're really
not equipped, educated or whatever to make

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those type of radical choices because they
need that income. And I want your

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opinion on this, because what I
found sometimes is I'll talk to them and

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say, look, what are your
real purposes? What is it that you

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really want to accomplish, And it's
like, well, my family, you

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know my life, you know my
circumstances. I want to experience that happiness,

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that joy, that freedom, that
type of thing. And it's like,

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okay, then let's look at your
job as the means by which that

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income will come in that will allow
you to do that. So rather than

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focusing strictly on a job as being
your life, focus on that as the

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means by which you can truly of
your life. What are your thoughts on

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that type of approach. Well,
I mean, that's at very minimum,

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that's a good idea for most people
to take on that mindset, because even

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if they're going to transition out of
it, not everyone can handle, you

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know, a total financial collapse.
Let's say, you know, I'm in

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a different boat. I was a
total weirdo. Like I spent at the

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most extreme. I spent time hitchhiking
with no money, you know, and

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deliberately doing that life. I decided
to do that. Eventually lived in a

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van and did all kinds of things
that I can't even recommend for people,

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although those were very informative on my
I learned that I could trust the world

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and trust people through some pretty extreme
experiences. But it could have gone the

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other way too, you know,
it could have been very destructive. So

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for a lot of people, that's
not an option. But one aspect of

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this that I found fascinating, And
a lot of people have trouble taking this

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advice, but anyone who's listening,
if they do apply it, it can

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be extremely powerful. And that is
a lot of people have this I like

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to call it the demon of rebellion
tempting them all the time, and so

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they're living in some amount of rebellion
against their own job or their boss or

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people at work. But they never
thought, Okay, what if I just

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go and do the absolute best job, treat everybody there the best I can

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even maybe brush up on some social
skills with some YouTube videos, you know,

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and see what I can do to
go into work every day and just

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do my very best, even if
your janitor somewhere. Make every effort to

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clean that extra little piece that you
always ignore that no one cares about,

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you know, like, put yourself
completely into it while you're there. Make

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it like you're even if there's almost
no chance of advancement in that place.

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You'd be surprised. Who's going to
notice the one man or woman who's showing

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up with a smile, dedicated to
do the job no matter what garbage gets

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00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:00.720
thrown at them by their boss.
They just learned to become, you know,

410
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:06.640
emotionally bulletproof because no one needs to
take that stuff home. It's more

411
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easy than people think to not live
in reactivity to someone else's garbage. You

412
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:11.920
know, if the boss is angry, the boss is angry, has nothing

413
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.200
to do with you, even if
he yells at you. It has nothing

414
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.880
to do with you. Now.
Of course there could be some abuse situations.

415
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.079
I'm not talking about accepting that,
but I'm saying on a level of

416
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.759
regular work day stuff or office stuff
or factory stuff, you got to deal

417
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.640
with You got to deal with some
jerks sometimes. Okay, fine, but

418
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:36.880
it doesn't mean that you rebel against
your own job. You decided to get

419
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:38.720
this job or you needed to get
this job. But then people will go

420
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:44.400
in and create tons of tension within
themselves hating the job, and they just

421
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:48.599
don't. That's that's burning calories,
that's burning energy to have the shoulders up,

422
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.559
to have the chest collapse, to
have the diaphragm tight, you know,

423
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.759
to not be breathing, to not
be present. So they're there fighting

424
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:05.480
against their own eight hours, fighting
against themselves. So go in and embrace

425
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.119
it. I mean, if you
instead and try and see what that's like.

426
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.480
And that's a hard step for most
people, but if you do,

427
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:14.359
you're embracing those eight hours of your
precious life. You know, well,

428
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.079
and you said, oh there's a
guy suffering, I'll bring a rose tomorrow.

429
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:20.799
Then ah, I notice everybody likes
apples, come in and breaks them

430
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:24.400
apples like, just start making it
a fun and a live situation, you

431
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:28.720
know, get to know what the
people are. It becomes such a mental

432
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.119
focus. I love that. I
love that excellentation. It's almost you know,

433
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:37.039
you're talking about the physical activity that
that is something very similar that if

434
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:38.599
they go into their jobs and just
say, you know what, I'm going

435
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:40.720
to love my job. I'm going
to be happy. I'm going to just

436
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:45.400
do this. You're right, it
takes away a lot of that stress,

437
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:47.680
a lot of that anxiety, a
lot of that anger and frustration, and

438
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:52.799
they can learn, they can really, i think, start to love that

439
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:57.680
job. It's possible. Yeah,
I've seen you some rare situation, but

440
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.400
I've seen cases of that. There
was a guy that worked at like a

441
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:06.319
Walgreens or one of these types of
stores in Eugene, Oregon, and he

442
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:10.319
was an elderly fellow. But whenever
I'd go in there and I would go

443
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:14.720
to that store on purpose, if
I needed something that they that the drug

444
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:15.799
store sould, I would go to
that store. I'd try to go to

445
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:20.440
his line, and I noticed sometimes
his line would be long, and the

446
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.480
other cashiers would have like one or
two people at it. People would wait

447
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.160
in line to see this guy.
And he had worked there, I don't

448
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:31.400
know, twenty thirty years cash cashier, and he just always had something beautiful

449
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:36.279
to say. You'd give you some
compliment, and you could sense he loved

450
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:38.519
Walgreens. And when they were going
to tear the building down and build a

451
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:42.279
new one there, you could tell
he was sad. You know, he

452
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.119
was like, oh, man,
like he wanted you know, he was

453
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:50.160
so into it. But yeah,
everyone would go and wait extra time in

454
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:54.119
his line just to have an interaction
with him. You know, he fully

455
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.359
lived into that job, and so
he was delighted all day long. He

456
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:04.000
wasn't concerned with the he was making, wasn't concerned with whatever anybody else was

457
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.440
doing. He was just making it
this beautiful experience. You know. Well,

458
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:12.440
and you know what's interesting about that
is people if they can achieve that

459
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.559
type of thing so often, I
think we all, at least I've experienced

460
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.280
this. You know, we talked
about what's my purpose? How do I

461
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.320
help people? And you know,
how do I help the millions? How

462
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.199
do I help you know whatever?
And here's here's someone that's working as a

463
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:32.159
cashier and happy and loves what he's
doing. Is probably mentally really developed that

464
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:37.800
and who knows what life he's affecting
as they come through that line. I

465
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:42.800
guarantee you if that line is longer
than others, that means those people need

466
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.000
that in their lives, and he's
making a difference in their lives because of

467
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:51.800
the fact that he's doing that.
Yeah, and people feel so unimportant.

468
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:55.199
They don't that's this is all a
side effect of being trapped in that world

469
00:34:55.280 --> 00:35:00.599
of words and ideas because people I
used to call ghost island. I had

470
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:06.000
a like a revelation in Minneapolis when
I was like eighteen and I was walking

471
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.840
across the bridge across the Mississippi River
to go to the Giant post Office.

472
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:14.360
I used to do a lot of
melee letters back then, and I saw

473
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:19.079
these thousands of people on the street
going to work, and I tried to

474
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.599
make eye contact with them, and
I felt some desperation in myself. I

475
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:27.000
felt completely alone among thousands of people. Now, okay, it's one thing

476
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.239
to be on a desert island,
do you feel alone. Okay, well

477
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:31.639
you are alone, so you should
feel that way, but not in the

478
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.800
city with all these people. And
I would try to connect it. I

479
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.000
tried to start a conversation with a
few people and it kind of looked weird,

480
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:42.000
like I took them out of a
bubble, and I called it ghost

481
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.719
island, meaning there's thousands of people
there, but no one's actually there.

482
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:51.400
There's no one home. And we
can explain it away all they're busy or

483
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.079
they're on their way to work,
but that doesn't explain it on a deeper

484
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:59.599
level. Why are we so disengaged
and disconnected? And so if people are

485
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.119
all in their own head, they
can't even barely see what's going on for

486
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:07.320
other people. Other people are just
another annoyance or another Oh, that person's

487
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:09.760
asking for some change, they get
all scared and weird, seid to just

488
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:16.599
give a quarter. People don't see
that simple acts of mercy that they can

489
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:22.119
perform every single day. And I'm
totally victim that I used to spend time

490
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.239
playing video games or something and then
realize like I'm in some dark hole,

491
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:30.239
no contact with other people. And
it's really like simple acts of presence in

492
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:37.000
mercy that has brought me out of
that repeatedly over the years. That could

493
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.679
be something as simple as eye contact
with the old lady sitting in the square

494
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:45.800
waiting for the bus, or just
a genuine sense of curiosity about how the

495
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.719
cashier is doing. I saw this
just last night. I learned phrases in

496
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.199
Croatian, and I'll practice them when
I go to the store. It's like

497
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.679
a safe place to practice, you
know, the new language. And I

498
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:01.559
said this phrase spaco dobro, which
essentially translates to I wish you, I

499
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:06.639
wish all good things for you.
And i'd like to say it's just a

500
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:08.880
simple, short thing. And I
said it and made on contact, and

501
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:14.440
my friend who was with me,
noticed the cashier just life just flowed through

502
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:15.800
her face. All of a sudden. She stopped what she was doing and

503
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:20.639
like looked and set it back to
me and then went back to her work,

504
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.480
but with a smile, you know. And I'm not suggesting we do

505
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:28.880
that for that effect. You might
not always get that effect. A person

506
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:35.039
might not care, but from within
seeking out and attempting to do these acts

507
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.960
of mercy, whatever they are.
You stay present, you stay out of

508
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:43.079
your own head. You're problem.
You're not dragging your problems along with you.

509
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:47.239
People are not such an annoyance too, And you'll start to realize over

510
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:52.880
time that i'd like to say it
like this, but that small acts of

511
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:57.880
mercy compounded over time will help you
prove to yourself that you're not just a

512
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.400
total piece of shit, you know, right, and not just the idea

513
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:06.840
of positive thinking. But you can
look back in this aggregate of all these

514
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:13.519
little, honest, merciful actions and
you'll you will know physically, Okay,

515
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.320
I can do good in this world. You know, I'm not just some

516
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:21.400
some loser. I'm not just some
worthless you know collog and some machine somewhere.

517
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.559
That's where the workplace can come alive. You know, we can start

518
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:29.559
to connect with life. Yeah,
I love that. So the question I

519
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:36.719
have you you you had mentioned that
there's just a strange body technique and when

520
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:42.519
we were talking earlier that we already
know about but we never use, that

521
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.519
can really help us overcome the panic, the you know, whatever that happens

522
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:51.920
to be. What is that strange
body technique that we already know about.

523
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:54.239
It's funny, this one has some
taboo around it. So I want to

524
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:59.360
explain panic attacks so what they are, because hopefully people can. I often

525
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.519
say panic don't exist, and then
people get upset, and then I'll use

526
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:07.360
that window of opportunity to explain what
I mean. So, as I understand

527
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.519
a panic attack is that the diaphragm
becomes so there's a trigger, internal,

528
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:16.320
external, trigger, whatever that might
be. Then the already shallow breathing person

529
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.679
starts to breathe even more shallow,
to the point where the brain starts noticing,

530
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.000
oh, okay, the diaphragm is
tight. The brain only has the

531
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:29.679
body to read generally, unless there's
like actually a lion coming to attack you,

532
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.320
at which point we're not concerned.
We're just reactive. So the brain

533
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:37.519
starts to read, oh, the
diaphragm is really tense. We're doing shallow

534
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.880
breathing. The neck muscles are pulling
up the ribcage. This means emergency.

535
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.079
This means something's wrong right now.
So then the brain reads it as an

536
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:51.360
emergency and says, okay. It
creates a feedback. Now the diaphragm becomes

537
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.719
more tense. Now the shoulders pull
up even more. And since we haven't

538
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:59.719
trained ourselves to breathe naturally through intense
experiences, and that's what the full I'm

539
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:05.000
doing sessions are is breathing naturally well, abbing tension pressure and breaking apart the

540
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:08.079
tension. So since we have not
done that training, we haven't become accustomed

541
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:15.960
to that. As soon as there's
a panic inducing trigger, diaphragm gets tense,

542
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:21.159
person starts breathing shallow, and then
that shallow breathing constricts the veins in

543
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.320
the brain. The fear constricts it
further sends the feedback loop through the body

544
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:29.880
becomes more tense, Adrenaline gets released, and then the person lost in the

545
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.880
world of words starts imagining catastrophes.
Oh, I'm going to die right now.

546
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:37.519
I can't breathe. I can't breathe. So the technique, and this

547
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:40.400
is tried and true. It's harder
to get someone to do it when they're

548
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.639
in the midst of a panic attack, but still worth trying. But it

549
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:49.800
will also if done in the shower, say four or five times each morning

550
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:52.280
over a couple of weeks, will
make it so it's impossible to have that

551
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:57.320
panic attack ever. Again, I've
tested that with clients and it's the gag

552
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:01.360
reflex. The gag reflex in the
throat, so you know, when you're

553
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:06.159
brushing your teeth and accidentally go too
far back and you get that, you

554
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:09.440
know, like the not throwing right, But it is related to that and

555
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:15.400
sometimes people throw up from panic attacks. It's the body's attempt to slam the

556
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.400
diaphragm down, which is what happens
with the gag reflex, or to slam

557
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:22.599
it up. It comes and then
everything relaxes afterward. So four or five

558
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:28.440
gag reflex is the first one you'd
notice it. It will release the diaphragm.

559
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:30.679
Second one will release some of the
rib cage, and then the breathing

560
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:35.719
starts to open up. Third one
releases the throat, and fourth one usually

561
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:37.480
releases the face and then the eyes
will start to water a little bit.

562
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.119
So again I say it's taboo.
People don't want to do it. It's

563
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:46.119
associated with bolima for example, or
it's just not something anyone's ever done as

564
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:51.639
an actual technique. You know.
So you're saying gag, you're saying gag

565
00:41:52.239 --> 00:42:00.400
purpose, Yes, gagging on purpose. Yes. Wow, it's in the

566
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:02.440
hospital trip. You know, it's
better than a hospital trip and very strong

567
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:06.440
tranquilizers, which is what they usually
do for panic attacks. You know.

568
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:13.920
Well, you know, and there's
so much here that you're you're not sharing

569
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.880
because we don't have time to do
that. But you mentioned that you do

570
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:22.480
have a YouTube channel, and I
do. I would assume that you go

571
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:27.079
in there and you talk a lot
more in depth about this very thing.

572
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:31.000
Can you share with the audience before
we close today? How do they find

573
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:36.239
that YouTube channel? And also how
do they get in touch with you if

574
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:40.519
they have that desire and if you're
okay with that? Yeah, totally.

575
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:45.760
I do welcome clients, and I
have a lot of different programs and courses

576
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:49.679
and stuff. So I usually meet
with people once over zoom, see where

577
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:53.239
they're at, what's going on in
their life, and then decide from there

578
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:58.039
which is the right track, you
know? And yeah, the YouTube is

579
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.880
at Radical on Doing just as it
sounds, you know, YouTube dot com

580
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:08.039
slash Radical ondoing our A D I
C A l U N D O I

581
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:12.039
N G. Okay, good,
I was going to spell I. So

582
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.760
I'm glad you did, because sometimes
it's tough for people to know what we're

583
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:21.679
saying there. So Radical Undoing is
your YouTube channel, and in there you

584
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.880
really talk about these exercises and some
of these other things. Is that fair

585
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:28.559
to say? Yeah? And there's
yeah, and there's quite a few exercise

586
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:30.960
demonstrations. I've been doing that for
the last fifteen years, So there's a

587
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:35.559
lot of things people can dive into
right away. And then if you go

588
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:37.079
on that, you know there's a
tab where it says live, so you

589
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.119
have a videos tab and you have
a live tab. There's a bunch of

590
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:45.719
live streams I've done as well,
like small workshops, stuff about social anxiety

591
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:50.639
or tying in the exercises to various
let's say, issues or desires. So

592
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.519
for a musician, maybe the sequence
of warm ups to get more connect the

593
00:43:54.519 --> 00:44:00.599
body and voice, or the expression
for improvisation. This type of stuff so

594
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:05.559
cover at all different angles of how
the work could impact your life and how

595
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.559
to get started. That's fantastic.
Well, Garrett, this has been an

596
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:14.159
interesting discussion. I have to say, I really appreciate you reaching out and

597
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.119
I love that we've been able to
talk about this stuff. Yeah, I

598
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:21.199
appreciate you too, Doug. It
seems like you have an interesting life.

599
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:23.639
We have some parallels, so let's
keep in touch. I'm really happy to

600
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:29.559
connect with you, absolutely absolutely,
and folks, thanks for listening. Please

601
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.119
get in touch with Garrett. Go
to his YouTube channel, especially because I

602
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:37.480
guarantee you you're going to find some
fascinating things going on there. So anyway,

603
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.039
thanks for being here, and I
hope you'll join us again soon