Move Your Body, Enhance Your Mind

0:01 This program is designed to provide general information with regards to the subject matters covered. This information is given with the understanding that neither the hosts, guests, sponsors, or station are engaged in rendering any specific and personal medical, financial, legal counseling, professional service, or any advice. You should seek the services of competent professionals before applying or trying any suggested ideas. At the end of the day, it's not about what you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up, who you've made better. It's about what you've given back. Denzel Washington, welcome to inspire vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to do the same. Caret Don how are you doing, Hey, Doug. I'm doing wonderful. Thank you for I appreciate you being on the show. Now you told me earlier. Where are you at right now? I'm actually an Osic Croatia, North Far Northeast Croatia.

1:11 Yeah, wow wow, and I'm sitting in Thailand, so entirely different experience here. It's amazing what we can do with technology, isn't it? Yeah? Truly, Yeah, it really is. Hey, listen, what I'd love for you to do is kind of share with the audience who you are and you're doing a lot of things, Like you kind of explained some of that, and also how did you know your story? How did you get to the point of doing what you're doing at this point in time in life. Yeah, So let's say I want to just narrow it down and say that I'm radical on doing trainer, and we'll get into what exactly that is. That's probably the easiest and simplest way to describe who I am and what I do, and to explain that radical on doing as a body movement and breathing methodology that breaks apart chronic tension in the body and then clears out a lot of the garbage that goes on in the mind. That's the simplest way I can put it. Gets people out of what I call the hell of the mind and back into the body, back into actuality. Oh, I ended up doing that. I was struggling with all kinds of things, let's say twenty years ago or for most of my childhood, even like anxiety, depression, just various kinds of mental suffering and distential kind of onwui and all this kind of stuff. And so I had become a punk rocker and I had become a protester, and all this rebellion got into this rebellion kind

2:45 of thing. And at the end of that kind of internal battle, let's say I was externalized. Then I started to realize that something internally maybe was wrong or was driving that, and I became like what I call seeker. And so then I started reading everything, studying everything I could find, I mean, every religion, every technique, really weird stuff, like anything you could possibly imagine. And at the end result of that, I found this technique in this teacher which was the radical on doing work, and he had a book called Undoing Yourself with Energized Meditation. This book had a bunch of weird stuff in it, but it had solid exercises, just simple physical exercises that I could try out. And I was an experimenter, so I applied those. Probably over the course of a year, I did a bunch of these physical experiments and then other kind of cognitive experiments, some more adventures out in the world, and let's say creative experiments, all kinds of things like this, and then that culminated in doing a full laydown session where you're laying in a certain position, doing very specific breathing and doing body movements. And I had such a profound experience. Now at that point, I was doing it out of a book. I laid down, I did the must have amount of two about two hours, and at the end of that experience, I was like so filled with life force, so filled with a lot of

4:20 these terms I don't like to use because they get co opted by, let's say, some of these New Age movements and things like this, so they don't get people get easily confused with this type of terminology. But I don't know how better to describe it. I was just overwhelmingly filled with awareness and life force, Like my fingers were tingling and buzzing my whole body, And at that point I looked down, I saw my fingers moving, or my toes, and it was mind blowing, just that, Wow, my foot is way down there and I can move it. So the way I describe it is, I became aware that I actually have a body, and looking back, I saw, okay, I only had the idea of a body up until now. And that started sort of a cascade of revelations or awakenings where I realized most of what I had been doing with the seeking was just filling my head with new vocabularies for describing things. But nothing was changing.

5:16 Nothing was different in my life. I just had a new vocabulary. I might meet a new friend group and now we talk about these subjects instead of these subjects, but nothing was fundamentally different. With this work, I was brought back down to ground zero, back into my own physicality. And then I could tell the difference, and this is key. I could tell the difference between the garbage going on in my mind, so all the interpretations, all the reactions to internal and external stimuli. I could tell the difference between the imagination and the contents versus what was actually happening. So a lot of my fears started to dissolve because I could see, Okay, there's no threat on my life. What am I doing sitting here feeling afraid or if I'm upset, if I'm sad. So suddenly it was like I had stumbled into a new world of actuality, and I could see the difference between where I was trapped in my mind, and then being here didn't mean everything got easier, but it meant that I had some ground under my feet to start to move forward in life instead of living in this life dominated by the imagination and emotional reactions. From there, then I could see that this was going on in other people. And as I went deeper and deeper, I went and met the author of that book and then studied under him, ended up going to massage school, got deep with so I got deep into my body.

6:39 It was like it was activated. So I got deep with rock climbing, even some mountain rescue courses, rope work, was riding my bicycle every day, got into body weight conditioning, a bunch of different martial arts. It just was like a body kind of renaissance in my life. And then as a result of all that and then doing the massage school meeting with the teacher, I realized this was something I wanted to do with other people, mostly by the urging of people that saw what I was going through and We're like, what is this you're doing? What is this stuff you're practicing all the time? Can I try it out? So I'm sure, yeah, sure, why not? And after a few years of just doing that for free with friends and sharing it around. I started to realize, we, wow, this is actually a potent thing and that the people can benefit from this.

7:30 So so I ended up creating a business out of it, and that was over the course of let's say seven years that it took, you know, training and getting into the life of the body. A lot more answers the question. So now you're you're helping other people through this process that you've been talking about and helping. So let's talk about because you're well. One thing that you said that I found really interesting, and this probably has nothing to do with what we were going to talk about, but you said that as you were younger and you were experiencing a lot of that stuff that you got into protests, you're a protester and those types of things. In today's world, we see that happening right now all over the place. What would you say, is the mental cause what is causing such protests going on?

8:26 Some of it absolutely has some validity to it, so I don't want to negate any validity. But at the same time, we're seeing a lot of stuff going on that probably is just people are getting caught up in the moment and getting involved in these protests and creating issues and so forth. What's your take on that and what did you experience and how did you get out of that mentality? Man, it's a long road, but and I was deep, deep into it. I wasn't just you know, a liberal protester seems to like punk rock. And at first, you know, when I was very angry and say fifteen sixteen, it was really deep into that world.

9:07 And then I had this sense of rebellion, and I had this sense of unfairness, like, oh, these people are oppressed. That person's oppressed, And coupled with seeing a lot of my parents and my friend's parents were I saw that the standard was kind of this mediocre dislike for the work that people are doing and they yet they're just trudging off to do it, and no one's doing anything about that, and no one's doing anything to address that. So that was maybe the first thing I noticed when I was younger. We go camping on the weekends. All the fun stuff happens on the weekends, and everybody's having a good time and then they're miserable during the week So that was like the first trigger for me. And then let me simplify it, boil it down. It's chronic tension in the body Number one that's been dropped out of awareness. So you might know with people with the chronic back pain, but they have to work a job, their life depends on it.

10:09 Then during the day they won't feel the back pain at all. It'll just drop out of awareness. But then when they get home, when they start to relax, then they feel it again. It starts to really put pressure on them. So this chronic tension builds up over time, and I believe it correlates with inaccuracies or falsities in the minds. So lies in the mind tension in the body. They require each other. And in my case, it was that anger and that rebellion, and I didn't know how to handle the internal struggle, so it became externalized. I wanted to fight against even civilization itself. Oh, we were better off when we were hunter gatherers, you know. I was all the way to that extreme, you know, So the war would never end, no matter what success you have in that as a protester. It's like, if you're going after industrial civilization, there's just no way. So it was absurd and at some point I started to realize it was absurd, But the reason behind it was I saw some injustices.

11:07 My mom was kind of like a more old school liberal, so she was anti war, you know, anti gigantic business, anti people getting oppressed. And my dad was more working class electrician, not as involved in that same mindset, but some of that influence from her then made me more keen to observing. Let's say, what I proceved injustice. And once I started looking down that rabbit hole, it's started to absorb all my awareness. And that was a way, I think, to not deal with what was going on inside me, to not actually confront Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, And that's interesting. You know that so often, and I appreciate what you're saying there. It's really those internal, subconscious situations that are going on in our lives that are causing that stress, that angernxiety, that anger, all that type of thing, and then we express it externally. And the reason I wanted to ask you that because as I've interviewed an number of people, and you know, we're talking about how do we help with anxiety? How do we help with all of these issues that people are experiencing emotionally and everyone says, well, you know, the first step is awareness, and so my first question then to them is how can you be aware? What are the signs? And I think you've so well described here the fact that okay, you know what, here's what you were doing, and you suddenly became aware that this was all internal rather than external, and yet you were you

12:43 were responding in an external way. So for the audience, I just I think it's so important for them to understand that as they look at their life, as they look at their behavior, if if it's not making total sense to them, it's time to do that awareness. Introspective type of situation shouldn't figure out what's going on. Let's talk about body movements. You're you're the first one I've talked to about body movements, now, will I will say, from what you're telling me, it sounds a little bit different than yoga, and if it's not, then you know, let me know that. But this is interesting because what you're saying is body movements that are simple can demolish anxiety and make your life seventy five percent more fun. So I love to play with those numbers. Yeah, could you share with the audience a little bit about that. Yeah, well it's uh. Let me preface it by saying, I use this model for explanation called two worlds. Model one is the world of simplified I'll call it the world of words. So let's say there's like a globe, like a snow globe that goes from here and then up around here, like above us, above your head, and inside that is all all these reactions, interpretations, abstractions. Right, So there's a real physical life event that happens, or a memory of something, or an imaginary future catastrophe, something like this, and then the person reacts to

14:16 the contents of the imagination as if it's real. This causes tension. So if we're all all sitting in a room together, there's no physical threat present, but one person is terrified of some imaginary thing in the future. Another person's really sad, another person's full of anxiety or having a panic attack or something like this. They're reacting to things that are not physically present, so they're not grounded in the mind is somewhere else than where the body is. So a lot of systems, a lot of psychology, a lot of approaches try to deal intellectually with that situation. Or chemically with that situation chemically, whether it's illegal drugs or psychiatric meds or whatever. So what I discovered with the radical undoing work is that you use the body. You go straight to the body first and break apart the chronic tensions, and then that produces the ability to have more awareness. So simple exercise like face stretching, really slow movements but with a lot of contraction and intensity of the face. And the reason this works for like five minutes I should have had too. It's not just a quick thing. But you slow down, you breathe, you do stretch the face for five minutes, nice and slow, lots of intensity.

15:35 The reason that's so important is there's a greater amount of physical brain matter monitoring the facial muscles. Those should be obvious for a number of reasons, like when the mouth, this is where we get our food, our sustenance, the no this is where all our sensory receptors. Most of our sensory receptors are located. So we need the brain needs to monitor these functions and these muscles, and then the brain is also checking the structure of the muscle contractions in the face to see like if the nostrils are up like this, that's showing disgust, for example, or all the different combinations or the fake smile, the fake smile, you know, or the real smile with the eyes, or different kinds of things like this. So we're constantly looking at other people's faces. They're perceiving our faces, and we're gathering all kinds of data about the stage or the condition that that person is in. We're projecting it out from our own face. So when you do the face stretches, you get back to neutral. So one kind of cool aspect of it is is you're not dragging emotional reactivity and baggage from one situation to the next. You stop, do the face stretches, get back to neutral, and now you can perceive what's going on for other people instead of projecting out what's going on for you. That's one simple way that the face stretches work. There's way more to it than that, but that's one aspect of where the body starts to be act as an interface with that inner world and a way to clear

17:07 out this trash from there. Well, and I love that. I love how you described that we're circled. Our head is circled you know, with all of that stuff and just you know, and it's so true that that creates our reality, those those beliefs, everything that we consciously are not even aware of creates a reality for us. And and yet what you're you know, what you're really describing, which I love, is that as you focus on something more physical, it takes you away from that mental subconscious situation and you become what we would refer to as more mindful. You're really focusing on something and initially, at least I would think that helps to relieve. So as you talk about that, you talked about how you got doing a number of body movements and so forth, share with the audience, really, what type of activities, what type of time commitment, What are some of the things that people can understand they can do, need to do, and how that might help them, and how much time does it actually take during the day to be able to do that. Yeah, these are that's a great question. Thank you for asking that, because that's an important one. This work isn't a quick fix, though it can become one in the future with dedication. I'll explain what I mean by that, but first I want to give you the basic times let's say overall, for a really deep I'd say

18:44 permanent shift in one's life, meaning that you're grounded and you know forever, the difference between the workings of the imagination versus being present in actuality, that would say I would say two years, sometimes more, sometimes less, but two years is kind of a a good indicator. A person could go pretty deep with that, and they'll have become They'll have gone from being a person who wishes and thinks about doing things to a person who's actually doing things. That's an interesting side effect because a lot of the aspirations start to become activated just automatically. If there are ones that are coming from deep within the person, If they're just things the person thinks they should do to please mom and dad or other people, those will usually go away. So for example, I had a client I saw the guitar. It reminded me of a client who was just pressuring himself to do guitar. He wanted to do guitar, but he just couldn't get himself to do it. Then, after we worked together for a while, he realized, Man, I only ever started learning guitar so I could pick up women and get dates. When I was in high school. I don't want to play guitar. I don't even care about the guitar. But up until then, he was so desperate that he was a guitarist. He needed to do guitar, but he didn't. You know.

19:56 Then once he became aware, I was like, oh, I'm not even interested in this. Then a couple years later he returned to guitar. But it was actually more about passion than it was this previous thing. So to answer the question about timing for on a daily basis, in the very beginning, a person could get started, like with what I have on the YouTube. I put a little playlist which is just face stretches, this shoulder exercise, something called the flop, and something called the laughing breath. That might take. Let's say we do full time limits for each one five minutes on the face in the morning, once at night, one minute on the shoulders exercise, two three minutes on the flops, and then another two to three minutes on the laughing breath. If a person really dedicated themselves to doing those every single day, let's say at night just the face and shoulders.

20:51 Even so six minutes at seven minutes at night, let's say fifteen to twenty minutes in the morning, that alone would be huge, especially over a week, over two weeks, over a month. One caveat there is that the results of this type of work, some of them are instant. Sometimes you do the shoulders, you feel immediate relief. You know, the mind is a little more clear, you feel more grounded. But the real magic is in the cumulative results, because every single time you break apart this chronic tension, then when you sleep at night, the brain remaps, you know, the body image at a lesser amount of chronic tension. So chronic tension has become normalized. And then we mimic each other in society and as we're growing up, so we don't even know that it's not normal for us to have this kind of tension like almost everyone has it. Or for the butt to be squeezed, or the legs to be tight, or there needs to be locked, or to be standing with the hip cocks. You know, there's all these different things. Or the diaphragm to be tight. If you watch people breathe, you know, or they're doing just belly breathing and the chest is all locked up. So when you systematically attack those chronic tensions and get everything moving, get the life force moving again. And I mean that in the most physical way, nothing woo woo or fancy about it at all.

22:17 Then the results become humulative, meaning in the beginning, you do face stretches, you might be overwhelmed with thoughts getting in your way. After a couple of weeks, a lot of that stuff is gone, and you start to notice the jaw is not tense anymore. It's hanging loose most of the time when you're relaxed. It's not, you know, like this kind of thing. The voice. Sometimes people you'll hear people's voices, Hi, thanks for calling, you know, whatever it is, you can feel where it's stressed trapped here. When I work with those people, I can hear and feel when it starts to move down. It starts, you know, moves from here, and then this tension breaks up, and then it'll move into the throat and then eventually you can feel it it moves down into here and down into the belly, you know, And that's a sign of this tension around the voice breaking apart systematically. So all this is to say, this work gives you cumulative results. So even though you're putting in the five, ten, fifteen, twenty minutes a day, the results are going to start to compound and compound because then now say you're not carrying that tension with you, the shoulders are less tense, so you have less of a sense of emergency, so less cortisol flowing through the body, for example, less reactivity.

23:26 So then in your family life, or in your friendship or in your work life, you suddenly don't have issues with people that you used to have. And often people won't even remember that they had the issues with people, And so the results are weird in that it could take six months to notice a result that already started happening five months earlier. Because someone will say, you know, one specific client comes to mind. He said, Oh, my wife was so amazed. I went to dinner at my father in laws and in the past we used to fight every single time, and then this time we ended up getting along looking on a project together, and my wife his wife were just standing there like, who is this man? What happened? You know? And he didn't even remember that he had a bad time with that guy prior to that, So it was just so new of a perspective.

24:12 So somewhere in there, and I don't know the exact science of it, you know, but somewhere in there in breaking that chronic tension, lessening the reactivity, then suddenly you're not the tension isn't reasserting by getting into conflict with other people and getting into conflict with your own ideas, getting into conflict with your family, with with society in general. So you become more available. Say, if the face isn't the full of tension, it's not projecting issues out, it's then receiving. You're perceiving more things coming in from other people. So then of course you're more relatable. People treat you differently.

24:55 Sorry, go ahead. It's interesting because you talk about it could take up to two years, and yet you know, just developing the habit really, you know, based on what I've read, it's anywhere from thirty days to ninety days for a habit to change. So there has to be that personal focus and willingness to develop that new habit of the face stretching whatever, you know, whatever those exercises are, and we'll talk about that a little bit later, but whatever they are, it takes time to develop the habit. And then after that thirty sixty ninety days. It just becomes a habit.

25:36 It's something that's natural. And then, as you say, for some, and this is what's really amazing to me, for some people boom instantaneous, all of a sudden things are happening, and for other people, like you said, for some, it could take a year to two years for them to finally feel and sense that freedom that they've been working for. And I find that really interesting that how some people work so fast and other people take a lot longer. Yeah, that is kind of fascinating. And I don't always know the reason for that. But sometimes a person, you know, people could have a whole family, you know, a family, they've had kids, now they have a job, and then they start to realize that they weren't really present when they were choosing these things. They weren't really aware when they were putting this life together, and then that starts to come unraveled.

26:27 That's why I leave the word radical in there, and why I leave the word ondoing, because it's not really for people who are just looking for some simple anxiety relief. It's like a whole internal you know, destruction and reconstruction in a way, and it can be intense. It can be scary at times, especially if we've been living in reactivity, and some people are scared when they notice that they're not afraid of things anymore. Now they're thinking, oh man, how could I get by if I don't have this reaction? What am I going to? Some threats going to happen because I'm not alert and afraid, you know what I mean. There's some bizarre contradictions that people have to face, and it takes repeated efforts over time until you can really let go of some of that stuff. But the beauty of the radical doing work because it's a physical thing. It doesn't matter what the mind is throwing at you. And once you get enough back into the body, then you can go, Okay, the mind's trying to tempt me into all these reactions, but I'm not going to go there. You have an option suddenly, Well, the physical thing is you do. It's interesting you talk about how people can go through that and find that, hey, the job that they're doing isn't what they really want to do. And oftentimes, you know, I've worked with clients when I was doing some more business consulting and it's like, you know what In fact, I remember one client specifically, he came to me says, I need more time with my family, and it's like, all right, so what do we do. Well, let's start looking at the business from the perspective of what can we do with the business

28:00 to help you to have more time, And that was the focus that we did. But so often I find people say, well, I really don't like my job, and you know, the mentality is they need to find something else, and yet they're really not equipped, educated or whatever to make those type of radical choices because they need that income. And I want your opinion on this, because what I found sometimes is I'll talk to them and say, look, what are your real purposes? What is it that you really want to accomplish, And it's like, well, my family, you know my life, you know my circumstances. I want to experience that happiness, that joy, that freedom, that type of thing. And it's like, okay, then let's look at your job as the means by which that income will come in that will allow you to do that. So rather than focusing strictly on a job as being your life, focus on that as the means by which you can truly of your life. What are your thoughts on that type of approach. Well, I mean, that's at very minimum, that's a good idea for most people to take on that mindset, because even if they're going to transition out of it, not everyone can handle, you know, a total financial collapse. Let's say, you know, I'm in a different boat. I was a total weirdo. Like I spent at the most extreme. I spent time hitchhiking with no money, you know, and deliberately doing that life. I decided to do that. Eventually lived in a van and did all kinds of things that I can't even recommend for people,

29:33 although those were very informative on my I learned that I could trust the world and trust people through some pretty extreme experiences. But it could have gone the other way too, you know, it could have been very destructive. So for a lot of people, that's not an option. But one aspect of this that I found fascinating, And a lot of people have trouble taking this advice, but anyone who's listening, if they do apply it, it can be extremely powerful. And that is a lot of people have this I like to call it the demon of rebellion tempting them all the time, and so they're living in some amount of rebellion against their own job or their boss or people at work. But they never thought, Okay, what if I just go and do the absolute best job, treat everybody there the best I can even maybe brush up on some social skills with some YouTube videos, you know, and see what I can do to go into work every day and just do my very best, even if your janitor somewhere. Make every effort to clean that extra little piece that you always ignore that no one cares about, you know, like, put yourself completely into it while you're there. Make it like you're even if there's almost no chance of advancement in that place.

30:48 You'd be surprised. Who's going to notice the one man or woman who's showing up with a smile, dedicated to do the job no matter what garbage gets thrown at them by their boss. They just learned to become, you know, emotionally bulletproof because no one needs to take that stuff home. It's more easy than people think to not live in reactivity to someone else's garbage. You know, if the boss is angry, the boss is angry, has nothing to do with you, even if he yells at you. It has nothing to do with you. Now. Of course there could be some abuse situations. I'm not talking about accepting that, but I'm saying on a level of regular work day stuff or office stuff or factory stuff, you got to deal with You got to deal with some jerks sometimes. Okay, fine, but it doesn't mean that you rebel against your own job. You decided to get this job or you needed to get this job. But then people will go in and create tons of tension within themselves hating the job, and they just don't. That's that's burning calories, that's burning energy to have the shoulders up, to have the chest collapse, to have the diaphragm tight, you know, to not be breathing, to not be present. So they're there fighting against their own eight hours, fighting against themselves. So go in and embrace it. I mean, if you instead and try and see what that's like.

32:07 And that's a hard step for most people, but if you do, you're embracing those eight hours of your precious life. You know, well, and you said, oh there's a guy suffering, I'll bring a rose tomorrow. Then ah, I notice everybody likes apples, come in and breaks them apples like, just start making it a fun and a live situation, you know, get to know what the people are. It becomes such a mental focus. I love that. I love that excellentation. It's almost you know, you're talking about the physical activity that that is something very similar that if they go into their jobs and just say, you know what, I'm going to love my job. I'm going to be happy. I'm going to just do this. You're right, it takes away a lot of that stress, a lot of that anxiety, a lot of that anger and frustration, and they can learn, they can really, i think, start to love that job. It's possible. Yeah, I've seen you some rare situation, but I've seen cases of that. There was a guy that worked at like a Walgreens or one of these types of stores in Eugene, Oregon, and he was an elderly fellow. But whenever I'd go in there and I would go to that store on purpose, if I needed something that they that the drug store sould, I would go to that store. I'd try to go to his line, and I noticed sometimes his line would be long, and the other cashiers would have like one or two people at it. People would wait in line to see this guy. And he had worked there, I don't know, twenty thirty years cash cashier, and he just always had something beautiful to say. You'd give you some compliment, and you could sense he loved Walgreens. And when they were going to tear the building down and build a

33:38 new one there, you could tell he was sad. You know, he was like, oh, man, like he wanted you know, he was so into it. But yeah, everyone would go and wait extra time in his line just to have an interaction with him. You know, he fully lived into that job, and so he was delighted all day long. He wasn't concerned with the he was making, wasn't concerned with whatever anybody else was doing. He was just making it this beautiful experience. You know. Well, and you know what's interesting about that is people if they can achieve that type of thing so often, I think we all, at least I've experienced this. You know, we talked about what's my purpose? How do I help people? And you know, how do I help the millions? How do I help you know whatever? And here's here's someone that's working as a cashier and happy and loves what he's doing. Is probably mentally really developed that and who knows what life he's affecting as they come through that line. I guarantee you if that line is longer than others, that means those people need that in their lives, and he's making a difference in their lives because of the fact that he's doing that. Yeah, and people feel so unimportant.

34:51 They don't that's this is all a side effect of being trapped in that world of words and ideas because people I used to call ghost island. I had a like a revelation in Minneapolis when I was like eighteen and I was walking across the bridge across the Mississippi River to go to the Giant post Office. I used to do a lot of melee letters back then, and I saw these thousands of people on the street going to work, and I tried to make eye contact with them, and I felt some desperation in myself. I felt completely alone among thousands of people. Now, okay, it's one thing to be on a desert island, do you feel alone. Okay, well you are alone, so you should feel that way, but not in the city with all these people. And I would try to connect it. I tried to start a conversation with a few people and it kind of looked weird, like I took them out of a bubble, and I called it ghost island, meaning there's thousands of people there, but no one's actually there.

35:45 There's no one home. And we can explain it away all they're busy or they're on their way to work, but that doesn't explain it on a deeper level. Why are we so disengaged and disconnected? And so if people are all in their own head, they can't even barely see what's going on for other people. Other people are just another annoyance or another Oh, that person's asking for some change, they get all scared and weird, seid to just give a quarter. People don't see that simple acts of mercy that they can perform every single day. And I'm totally victim that I used to spend time playing video games or something and then realize like I'm in some dark hole, no contact with other people. And it's really like simple acts of presence in mercy that has brought me out of that repeatedly over the years. That could be something as simple as eye contact with the old lady sitting in the square waiting for the bus, or just a genuine sense of curiosity about how the cashier is doing. I saw this just last night. I learned phrases in Croatian, and I'll practice them when I go to the store. It's like a safe place to practice, you know, the new language. And I said this phrase spaco dobro, which essentially translates to I wish you, I wish all good things for you. And i'd like to say it's just a simple, short thing. And I said it and made on contact, and my friend who was with me, noticed the cashier just life just flowed through her face. All of a sudden. She stopped what she was doing and

37:15 like looked and set it back to me and then went back to her work, but with a smile, you know. And I'm not suggesting we do that for that effect. You might not always get that effect. A person might not care, but from within seeking out and attempting to do these acts of mercy, whatever they are. You stay present, you stay out of your own head. You're problem. You're not dragging your problems along with you. People are not such an annoyance too, And you'll start to realize over time that i'd like to say it like this, but that small acts of mercy compounded over time will help you prove to yourself that you're not just a total piece of shit, you know, right, and not just the idea of positive thinking. But you can look back in this aggregate of all these little, honest, merciful actions and you'll you will know physically, Okay, I can do good in this world. You know, I'm not just some some loser. I'm not just some worthless you know collog and some machine somewhere.

38:21 That's where the workplace can come alive. You know, we can start to connect with life. Yeah, I love that. So the question I have you you you had mentioned that there's just a strange body technique and when we were talking earlier that we already know about but we never use, that can really help us overcome the panic, the you know, whatever that happens to be. What is that strange body technique that we already know about. It's funny, this one has some taboo around it. So I want to explain panic attacks so what they are, because hopefully people can. I often say panic don't exist, and then people get upset, and then I'll use that window of opportunity to explain what I mean. So, as I understand a panic attack is that the diaphragm becomes so there's a trigger, internal, external, trigger, whatever that might be. Then the already shallow breathing person starts to breathe even more shallow, to the point where the brain starts noticing, oh, okay, the diaphragm is tight. The brain only has the body to read generally, unless there's like actually a lion coming to attack you, at which point we're not concerned. We're just reactive. So the brain starts to read, oh, the diaphragm is really tense. We're doing shallow breathing. The neck muscles are pulling up the ribcage. This means emergency.

39:43 This means something's wrong right now. So then the brain reads it as an emergency and says, okay. It creates a feedback. Now the diaphragm becomes more tense. Now the shoulders pull up even more. And since we haven't trained ourselves to breathe naturally through intense experiences, and that's what the full I'm doing sessions are is breathing naturally well, abbing tension pressure and breaking apart the tension. So since we have not done that training, we haven't become accustomed to that. As soon as there's a panic inducing trigger, diaphragm gets tense, person starts breathing shallow, and then that shallow breathing constricts the veins in the brain. The fear constricts it further sends the feedback loop through the body becomes more tense, Adrenaline gets released, and then the person lost in the world of words starts imagining catastrophes. Oh, I'm going to die right now.

40:31 I can't breathe. I can't breathe. So the technique, and this is tried and true. It's harder to get someone to do it when they're in the midst of a panic attack, but still worth trying. But it will also if done in the shower, say four or five times each morning over a couple of weeks, will make it so it's impossible to have that panic attack ever. Again, I've tested that with clients and it's the gag reflex. The gag reflex in the throat, so you know, when you're brushing your teeth and accidentally go too far back and you get that, you know, like the not throwing right, But it is related to that and sometimes people throw up from panic attacks. It's the body's attempt to slam the diaphragm down, which is what happens with the gag reflex, or to slam it up. It comes and then everything relaxes afterward. So four or five gag reflex is the first one you'd notice it. It will release the diaphragm.

41:28 Second one will release some of the rib cage, and then the breathing starts to open up. Third one releases the throat, and fourth one usually releases the face and then the eyes will start to water a little bit. So again I say it's taboo. People don't want to do it. It's associated with bolima for example, or it's just not something anyone's ever done as an actual technique. You know. So you're saying gag, you're saying gag purpose, Yes, gagging on purpose. Yes. Wow, it's in the hospital trip. You know, it's better than a hospital trip and very strong tranquilizers, which is what they usually do for panic attacks. You know.

42:08 Well, you know, and there's so much here that you're you're not sharing because we don't have time to do that. But you mentioned that you do have a YouTube channel, and I do. I would assume that you go in there and you talk a lot more in depth about this very thing. Can you share with the audience before we close today? How do they find that YouTube channel? And also how do they get in touch with you if they have that desire and if you're okay with that? Yeah, totally. I do welcome clients, and I have a lot of different programs and courses and stuff. So I usually meet with people once over zoom, see where they're at, what's going on in their life, and then decide from there which is the right track, you know? And yeah, the YouTube is at Radical on Doing just as it sounds, you know, YouTube dot com slash Radical ondoing our A D I C A l U N D O I N G. Okay, good, I was going to spell I. So I'm glad you did, because sometimes it's tough for people to know what we're saying there. So Radical Undoing is your YouTube channel, and in there you really talk about these exercises and some of these other things. Is that fair to say? Yeah? And there's yeah, and there's quite a few exercise demonstrations. I've been doing that for the last fifteen years, So there's a lot of things people can dive into right away. And then if you go on that, you know there's a tab where it says live, so you have a videos tab and you have a live tab. There's a bunch of

43:40 live streams I've done as well, like small workshops, stuff about social anxiety or tying in the exercises to various let's say, issues or desires. So for a musician, maybe the sequence of warm ups to get more connect the body and voice, or the expression for improvisation. This type of stuff so cover at all different angles of how the work could impact your life and how to get started. That's fantastic. Well, Garrett, this has been an interesting discussion. I have to say, I really appreciate you reaching out and I love that we've been able to talk about this stuff. Yeah, I appreciate you too, Doug. It seems like you have an interesting life.

44:21 We have some parallels, so let's keep in touch. I'm really happy to connect with you, absolutely absolutely, and folks, thanks for listening. Please get in touch with Garrett. Go to his YouTube channel, especially because I guarantee you you're going to find some fascinating things going on there. So anyway, thanks for being here, and I hope you'll join us again soon