July 15, 2024

Landscaping Your Life

Landscaping Your Life

So often in our lives we find ourselves not being able to see the forest for the trees. Metaphor? Yes, but did you identify with it?
Alison Smith has focused in her book: Can’t See the Wood for the Trees on how we can literally use metaphors, and...

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So often in our lives we find ourselves not being able to see the forest for the trees. Metaphor? Yes, but did you identify with it?
Alison Smith has focused in her book: Can’t See the Wood for the Trees on how we can literally use metaphors, and other systems such as drawing, to step outside of ourselves and view the challenges we face from a different perspective and have better success in resolving them. Please join us for a fascinating discussion.
https://www.alisonsmith.co/

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who you've made better. It's about what you've given back.

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Denzel Washington, welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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to do the same.

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Allison, welcome to the show. How are you.

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I'm good, Thank you, thanks for inviting me.

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It's great to have you here. So let the audience

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know where you're living.

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I live in Scotland. As I look out of my

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window now I'm looking across the Firth of Fourth to

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Edinburgh on the skyline. So a lot of people I

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suspect we'll have heard of Edinburgh, perhaps not where I live.

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I will bet that is beautiful.

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It is today as we're recording this, we have lovely

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blue sky and sun, which obviously is not what Scotland

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is well known for.

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So how much son do you get usually in the year.

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I think it's more of a heat so I don't

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know how to translate it, but I suspect. I mean

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last year we got a few days where it was

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sort of mid twenties, but yeah, generally speaking it will

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be around twenty or under twenty. I mean we do

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get sun, it's just that we get quite a bit

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of rain as well.

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Oh wow, oh well, doesn't sound too bad anyway. Hey,

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I would love for you to share with the audience

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who you are and really talk about your story, what

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brought you to this point, writing your book and those

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type of things.

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I think what got me to where I am now

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is my own being stuck. I think things did happen

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in my childhood around wanting to write and inspire people,

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but I think I went into a bit of a

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trough or a rut really, and then my husband left

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the marriage and then I suddenly went, well what am

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I going to do? And I'm not very good at

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being told what to do, so, you know, like all

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these people but with great advice, and it might be

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good advice as well, but they're they're well meaningly telling me.

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But I will resist any advice being you know, I

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want to come up with my own ideas, and which

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is a bit difficult when you're a bit low and

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don't know what direction to go in. And so what

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happened was was that I went on a neural linguistic

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programming course and then sort of dived into all sorts

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of self development tools and techniques, and the ones that

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I resonate with are the ones that don't require access

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to my logic, because logic is what will defend my story.

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So I know that there are no solutions, that that

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person is to blame, etc. And that's where logic will

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defend that. And what I discovered starting the neural linguistic

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program but also other trainings was he the power of

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our inner wisdom to talk to us through metaphor and

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so and therefore it was just became so much easier

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for me to hear what my inner wisdom had to

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say because I wasn't having to bypass logic because we're

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sort of sending logic on a coffee break. We're sending

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the story everything on a coffee break while I explore, well,

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what you know, I am stuck? What could I do

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in this situation? But instead of it being oh, well

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you need to go and talk to this person, it's

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much more likely to be oh, there's a path, or oh,

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don't give up, there's another tide coming, or oh, look

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at that little oak you know, that oak tree sapling.

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You know, it's really there's lots of dead wood around

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here in this wood. Little sapling is just a reminder

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that there's always new growth coming through. So I think

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I just found metaphor really easy to relate to because

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my logic was sort of turned down really so it

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wasn't defending the story, It wasn't saying I was stuck.

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It was much more open to seeing the situation from

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a different perspective. I see it as when we're stuck,

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we quite often look into a corner and think the

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corner in a room. If we imagine in a room

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and you're looking into the corner of the room, and

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when we're stuck, all we're seeing is the two sides

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of the corner and a lot of the tools that

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I use just help people turn around and go there's

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a whole room here, or there's a whole load of

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perspectives that I wasn't looking at.

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Okay, so let me ask you the question. You talk

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about neural linguistic and you know, you talk about how

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you found yourself stuck and you found that as you

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started searching ways to overcome that, that this seemed to

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be one area that really was interesting to you. Could

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you explain to the audience what neural linguistic is.

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A neural linguistic program is just really another metaphor if

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you want, that says we run on programs. So we

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all have habits, So we'll get out of bed in

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the morning and we'll do things, and we'll do things

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quite habitually and in particular ways, and certain things will

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motivate us, certain things won't make it motivators. So in

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some respects, we're a bit like a computer. But we

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all have our own little software. And sometimes, just like

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a computer, our software can have unhelpful programs in it,

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or it can get distorted and it just needs I suppose, reprogramming.

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So it could be that I'm fearful of spiders, or

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I went on holiday last week and the fear of

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heights came back. So it might be about that, because

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we can teach ourselves to be scared of things, but

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we can also teach ourselves not to be scared of them.

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But I think most of the NLP that I did

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was more about just being more self aware. That we

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go around life unconscious because we couldn't possibly be conscious

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about every decision we make because we wouldn't have time.

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We won't even be able to get out of bed if

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everything we did was conscious, because then it would be

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I've got to move this leg, I've got to do this,

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I've got to do that. Why am I doing that?

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So of course we have to have programs, which is

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this is my breakfast program, this is my going to

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the car, this is my driving program that allows me

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to get from A to B, but also listen to

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a podcast or something. So we have all these programs,

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but they're running unconsciously, and sometimes, especially when we get

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out of sort, we forget that those programs can be unhelpful. So,

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for instance, bizarrely, when I'm really out of sort that

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I go to watch TV programs that are all about death.

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And destruction and the end of the world and lots

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of murder in them and killing, sometimes quite graphically. And

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is it any wonder that I then start to feel worse?

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But I do it unconsciously. It's like I have to

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catch myself doing that pattern to go. No, if you watch,

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you can put I can persuade myself till the cows

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come home, which is a phrase they have in the

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UK about Oh, I want to watch this program, but

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I absolutely can guarantee that I will not sleep very

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well and I'll be quite agitated as a result. And

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so often that is happening unconscious that we spend time

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with people and we don't even we're not even aware

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that those people are agitating us, or you know, we

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might be the fact that why is it that's when

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I'm feeling down, I always ring X person. You know

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I always ring Sally when I'm up. Well, that's because

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she makes you feel better. Well, when you're feeling down,

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perhaps you ring somebody else. So for me, neural linguistic

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program just brought it out into sort of visible so

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I could see the patterns. Because then I've got more

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choice friends for doing this. That's not helpful or it

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is helpful. You know, I can find things that, oh,

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when I'm feeling out of sorts, going for a walk

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will always happen. So let's put that on the prescription

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and make it conscious. Oh, I've noticed I'm feeling out

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of sorts. I'm going to go for a walk.

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Okay. So withinn LP, I had a very interesting experience

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with that. I was working with a client who came

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to me and said, Doug, I'm just really making bad

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decisions and I keep doing it even though I know

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I shouldn't. And so we went through a neuro linguistic

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session with him, and as I did that, we got

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back to that early childhood and discovered some things that

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had occurred to him while I was in grade school.

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And as we identified that reframed it so that rather

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than him thinking that he was stupid or he wasn't

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good enough, it was really, you know what we're really

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talking about the teacher here and their ability to communicate

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how they should. And once he got that and then

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we came forward into the present time, it was fascinating,

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as he told me months later, what a difference that

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made in his life, that changes he made, the decisions

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he made so for folks that are wondering what NLP

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neuro linguistic program NLP is, it's not necessarily at least

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I don't understand it to be something that you can

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do on yourself. I really think that it's something that

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you need someone to help you with and to guide you,

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because that makes it so much easier and oftentimes helps

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you get to the right place where you don't necessarily

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find that place if you're doing it on your own.

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Do you disagree with that? Did you do it on

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your own or did you have someone guide you through

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the NLP process?

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Well? Absolutely, I mean I did a practitioner master practitioner

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train the training of an LP, so absolutely, I've had

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people around me. I think there are some tools that

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are easier to do on our own, and I think

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perhaps that's where a lot of the metaphors come in,

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because it's about any process where you're just doing it

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in your head for yourself. You've got half of you

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going giving yourself the instructions and the other half answering,

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and that's very difficult, Whereas if you can get the

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process out in front of you and you're drawing it,

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it's much more easily to go to the instructions and go, oh, right,

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I'm going to draw this now. And the other thing is,

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for some of the metaphors stuff is you can't talk

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yourself out of it because the benefit of having you

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there to help that person was if they then started

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to go, oh, but that isn't true, it was much

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easier for you to go, really, how might how might

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this be true? How might it be more about the

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teacher than it was you? And sometimes it's harder to

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do that sort of conversation for ourselves. So I think

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it depends on the the technique they're using as to

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whether it's better with somebody else. I think it's about

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how easy you find it to not get caught up

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in your own thinking and believe it to be true, because,

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as the example you've given, it requires us to change

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our mind and beliefs. You know you mentioned beliefs. Beliefs

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and values are much harder to change than our behaviors,

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and yet a lot of our behaviors are linked to

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beliefs and values. So yeah, if we're looking at values

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and beliefs such as the example you gave, then it's

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going to be easier for somebody else to be asking

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the questions because they can stop you going off on

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tangents and getting lost in the detail.

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Really okay, And so without getting into the content of

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your book, what is the name of your book in

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what motivated you to write it?

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I can't see the wood for the trees? Is the

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name of the book? Landscaping life? To get back on track?

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And I'd always wanted to write a book, and I

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suppose I'd tried various different I also knew it was

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going to be around using nature as a metaphor for

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our lives, and I just kept trying, it's that whole

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this is the book. Oh no, that's not the ruok.

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about three or four iterations. But certainly in an age

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before social media as it is now then using metaphors

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quite difficult. These days Instagram, you know, TikTok, Facebook, it's

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much easier to be able to use metaphor and people

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to grasp it. But that isn't where I was at

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when I was writing those books. But I think what

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so I kept wanting to write a book, but the

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book that got published was when I realized that I'd

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found one that would resonate with more readers, because I

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think the books I've written previously were very, very niche,

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and you might have only had had a handful of readers,

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whereas the book I've written is much more. Oh, here's

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how I can use metaphor and apply it to things

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that people are doing anyway, So people are already saying

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they're stuck in a rut, or they're going around in circles,

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the trees, or in other areas of the world it

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might be can't see the woods for the trees, or

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can't see the forest for the trees. So I think

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it was just keeping on knowing I wanted to write

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a book, and keeping on writing the book until such

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time I found one that I thought would resonate more.

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Okay, and you talk about metaphors, and you just listened

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a few, but would you explain to the audience what

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you mean by metaphor, and then how does metaphor How

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can an individual use me their life consciously to literally

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be able to make a change in their lives.

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we're using them all the time. So some of it

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is again going back to conscious awareness that said, oh,

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I've just used a metaphor because I've just said something

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is like something. So I've just said I can't see

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the wood for the trees. So that's not a logical thing.

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four other people so that they understand what's happening. And

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we quite often use metaphor because it's richer. It's like,

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if I was to tell you about my problem, I

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might be here for thirty minutes, still giving you all

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the detail. But if I say I can't see the

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woods for the trees, or I'm going round in circles,

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you get a real sense of what I mean with

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only that one sentence. And we do it. It's like

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I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. It's

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an uphill struggle. We can play so much because of that,

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but it's a metaphor because we're not stuck between a

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rock and a hard place. Really. But the metaphor with

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suggesting is it is like that, and so we're doing

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that all the time and So therefore, my suggestion is

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we use the metaphor in our language to get back

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on track, because if it is like we can't see

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the wood for the trees, then my suggestion is what

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would you do in a real wood. But in terms

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of sort of going back to your first question about

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a metaphor, is if we go back to when I

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first used it in earnest in business was when and

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this is why metaphors are really useful because we might

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not know anything or know how to solve a particular problem,

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but we might know something about loads about something else.

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So my sense would be, if you know a lot

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about cars, then and you've got a problem, and how

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is your problem like an engine? How is your car about?

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How is your problem about driving? Because you know more

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about driving that you'll then be able to go, oh,

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I just need to change gear. Oh I just need

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to change the tires. So when I used it was

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we were in business and procurement professional purchasing, and we

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were trying to convince these managers in the organization that

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they needed to pay attention to supplier management, and you know,

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they were bored. It's like we're talking about supplier management

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and they're going yeah, yeah, we're already doing it. Go away.

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But as soon as I start, and they weren't. I mean,

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we've got a lot of supplier problems. But they believed

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they were because they didn't know anything about supplier management,

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and they believed they knew all of it until I said,

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what do you know about gardening? Oh, well, gardening, we

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need to think about where we put the plants. The

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plants need mow, you know, the lawns need mowing, plants

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need pruning, watering, feeding time. In the greenhouse. We might

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even have a compost bin. And when I said, so

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all of what you know? So you're telling me, you know,

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we've got problems with suppliers, and yet and you're telling

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me know all of this about all of this about gardening.

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If I tell you that looking after suppliers is exactly

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the same as looking after a garden, they just when

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it was a bit like going from beginner supplier management

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to you know, going for a degree in supplier management

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because they suddenly knew so much more about Oh, suppliers

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need Oh you mean, I know, I shouldn't just plunk

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a supplier in the corner of the garden and leave

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them to it. Oh, that's why we have problems with suppliers,

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because we need to give them some attention. So I

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think metaphors are great because we know something. So if

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somebody's really into some sport, they can use that sport

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as a metaphor for their problem. How is, how can

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they apply tennis to that problem? How can they apply

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going back to the earlier example, you know, a car

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engine to their problem. Because we know more about we

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have areas of expertise, and we'll always be able to go.

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Nobody is a bit like that.

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talking about your business experience. So what came to my

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mind is I was thinking, how often as parents do

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we talk to our children as they're facing challenges and

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try to help them, usually by giving them our opinion,

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which is not helpful and I'm guilty of that my kids.

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we could literally learn to use metaphors in helping our

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children either when they come to us, which sometimes they do,

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oftentimes they don't, or when we're observing that something's happening,

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and if we can sit down and get into kem

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munication with them and then use a metaphor. It seems

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to me that that does a couple of things. And

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I love your opinion on this number one. As you say,

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it allows them in a metaphor that they would understand.

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It allows them to focus on a third entity rather

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than themselves number one and number two, rather than feeling

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like they're being criticized because an opinion is being given.

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All of a sudden, you have this external metaphor that

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you're talking about, and then seeing whether they can then

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understand what you're saying and how it might apply to

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the challenge that they're facing. What are your thoughts on

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that and have you ever talked?

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Definitely? Definitely. And I think the other thing is is

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that when we're giving people advice, we're forcing something on them.

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can think somebody needs a path out, you need to

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find a path, or you need a map. And what

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they notice, because I quite often go for what I

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call landscaping your life walks and will take the problem

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on a walk and I'll invite them to see things

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in the landscape that reflects their problem. And I might

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be there thinking, oh, yeah, I know where this is going,

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and it never does because it's their unconscious that noticing

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patterns that make sense to them. So I can ask

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questions about what do you notice and what happens if

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we go this way and what happens if we go

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that way? But I've just learned to be very careful

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about imposing. If I go in a group, then quite

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often what happens is that one person's busy telling this

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other person, oh, well, it's quite clear it's this, and

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it's like, well, yeah, that's not where that person's going

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to be looking. So you can't you can't impose it.

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But they're in a wisdom will help because you're basically

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saying that landscape, in my instance, is similar to your problem?

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How is it similar? And they'll come up with them

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what the brain will do it. It's like, you know,

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in what way is this problem similar to your favorite sport?

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And you'll absolutely be able to do it. If you're

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into cooking, how is how is your problem similar to

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your favorite meal that you're cooking, or when you're cooking

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a new meal and people are able to see it

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see it. I mean it is interesting though, because I

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tend to not want to go down the routes of

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sporting ones because I don't know anything about it, so

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it does restrict my ability to ask questions. Whereas because

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I use nature as a metaphor, then I'm much more

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aware of you know, day following night, the seasons, tides,

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how things grow, you know, harvesting, et cetera. So it's

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much easier for me to be able to ask questions.

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But it should apply to any you know. Quite often

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people use fair ground you know for someone named reason,

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so it could be you know, how is the problems?

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You know what ride in the fair ground? And is

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your problem similar to oh, it's a helter skelter, Oh

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it's the you know.

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Okay, so let me ask you a question. I let's

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say I really am facing the challenge right now in

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my life. I'm just frustrated. I find myself get angry

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and I can't really relate to why it is and

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what type of nature metaphor would you take me through

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in order to help me to understand the fact that

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anger and frustration literally is not a healthy way to be.

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Okay, I don't know that i'd ever tell you that

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anger and frustration isn't the way, but the common theme

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of doing of using a metaphor is that anger and

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frustration disappears because because the anger and frustration is normally

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because we can only see ten percent of the solution.

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You know, it's ten percent of the situation, and therefore

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we're focusing on that ten percent, and therefore meta enables

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you to see the bigger picture. And more commonly, it's like, oh,

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that's better right now, I can now I know what

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to do, But the way I do it depends on

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how where we are. So quite often I'll be out

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in nature with somebody, or they're out in nature at

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the other end of the phone, and I'll just be saying,

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so walk, I don't I don't want to talk about

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the current situation. So I don't ask for details of

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the current situation because that will just get them more angyo,

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that will enable them to access anger and frustration. So

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it's like, I do not want to access the state

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of stuckness. We've been in that for long enough. We

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know how the anger feels, we know how the frustration feels.

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Let's let's park that and then let's let's look at

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it metaphorically. So if we are outside, I might just

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be asking you know dependent if we go back to

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that person who've got decision to make, it might be

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that I ask at every crossroads and the paths we're

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on about them to make a decision, which decision, which

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direction do you want to go? So it might be

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about the patterns there somebody wants. Was every junction we

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came to, they chose the path that wasn't signposted where

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we didn't know where they were going. But that was

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huge insight for them because they their work was much

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more about new product development and they hadn't realized that

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that was there what motivated them. Sometimes it might just

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be the fact that somebody noticed a tree, they might

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notice a path, and we have a conversation about how

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that helps them give them some insight about the situation.

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But the quickest way, I suppose, if we were on

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the other end of the phone and we didn't have

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access to nature, would be for me to say, and

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people listening can do this is if your current problem

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was a mountain, draw the mountain, so they could put

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us on hold, go and get a piece of paper,

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pen and then back and then draw it. And I'm

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not suggesting they spend the next half hour drawing the mountain.

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It's just now the reason I use mountain, you could

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use any any landscape. And this comes back to the

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difference between the example I'm giving you is easy to

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do on your own. Yeah, yeah, So the example I'm

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giving is much easier for somebody to do. When I'm

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not I can't see what they're doing, which is it

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draw the mountain, and it's going to take you one

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or two minutes. So you're either done it now as

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I've been rabbiting on, or you can just pause us

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for another thirty seconds until you've finished drawing it and

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just draw the mountain. Just notice how big it is,

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what the sides are, how at all it is. Did

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you have to use colored pens? What's the top light,

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what's the bottom like? Just to notice what you notice.

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So that's the mountain that we're saying depicts the current situation.

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And the chances are if somebody looks at that mountain

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they understand why they can't see solutions because it will

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be barren quite often, and it might not be so

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I mean, these are stereotypes rather than specifics, so it

463
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:17.000
might be very very slopey slides, sides, very steep sides.

464
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.079
So what now would ask those of you that are

465
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:25.599
following following on is to so either make changes to

466
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:28.720
that mounting or start with a new mountain. What would

467
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:32.079
the mountain that had the solution within it look like?

468
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:35.720
So depend it all depends on what the solution is

469
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:37.279
as to whether you have to start with a new

470
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:39.680
mounting or you can make changes to the current one.

471
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:43.279
So that might be changing the color of your pen.

472
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.559
It might be about adding paths. Quite often it is

473
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:53.359
about adding paths. Sometimes it's about adding in signposts. One

474
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.200
person had a real r har when they went, oh

475
00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:59.799
my god, I'm not in the picture now I don't.

476
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:02.279
I don't have to know, and nor does anybody listening

477
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:05.599
need to know. Well, why on earth we're adding the

478
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:09.279
pert themselves into the picture make a difference? Doesn't matter?

479
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:13.720
It did for that person they were able to by

480
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:18.319
adding themselves into the picture of the with the mountain.

481
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:24.519
It because all using another metaphor metaphors just open doors

482
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:27.599
in your brain to the solutions. Because if you're stuck,

483
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:31.559
I absolutely believe you have the solutions, but currently the

484
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:35.599
doors to those solutions in your brain are closed for

485
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:40.000
whatever reason, the anger, frustration, whatever the reason is that

486
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:44.359
we're keeping our access to the solutions the doors closed.

487
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:48.680
So using metaphor, just by adding that person in adding

488
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:51.720
a path to your mountain, changing the color of it,

489
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:57.839
making it less steep. I'd somebody adding in like tents.

490
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.799
Somebody else added a gid to help them up the mountain.

491
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:06.839
Somebody else realized, oh, I'm trying to climb the mountain

492
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:09.599
with the wrong shoes. I haven't got walking shoes on.

493
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.480
So and we could jump to what we think that means,

494
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:17.559
but it doesn't really matter as long as the person

495
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:22.000
doing the drawing has gone. I felt frustrated and not

496
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.039
knowing what to do when I drew the first picture,

497
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:30.279
and as a result, oddly enough of changing that picture

498
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:35.279
somehow I feel different, and I now have access to

499
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:39.039
solutions that I didn't have before I started thinking about

500
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:39.880
my problem.

501
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:43.759
As a mountain. Do you find that drawing, because I

502
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:45.640
know that's one of your main focuss do you find

503
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:50.400
that drawing a picture like he just suggested is one

504
00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:53.359
of the best ways for an individual who finds themselves

505
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.559
stuck to be able to draw a mountain or draw

506
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.480
whatever in a way that all of a sudden they

507
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:02.680
can start to understand how to get unstuck. Is drawing

508
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:03.759
one of the main solutions.

509
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:08.000
I think some people have got a belief. So this

510
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:10.240
again comes back to whether or not they're doing it

511
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.279
on their own or not, because if they've got a

512
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.440
belief that they're not a great drawer, they're going to

513
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:17.400
be trying to draw it with a belief that's going

514
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.279
I'm not a great drawer. This isn't going to work.

515
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.480
So I think it depends on people's relationship with drawing.

516
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.240
If it gets you into a more playful Oh, I'm

517
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:29.119
just there. I'm like a child. There is no right

518
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.240
or wrong. Nobody's going to judge this, matt In, then

519
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:33.359
it's more likely.

520
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:33.519
To be.

521
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:41.200
It's my quickest one, certainly if I'm not there, because

522
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.240
it's easier for people to do and not necessarily go

523
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:49.279
off at tangents and start doing things wrong. My preference

524
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:51.720
would be to get people out into nature, but that

525
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:54.039
is harder to do on your own. There are instructions

526
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:56.279
on my website about how to do it, but it

527
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.759
is and the podcast that I do is exactly that.

528
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:03.519
It's if you feel like you're stuck between a rock

529
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.440
and a hard place, I go out into nature and

530
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.720
get stuck between a rock and a hard place, and

531
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.559
encourage you to do the same in order for us

532
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:16.319
both to get insight about what's really going on. But

533
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:18.079
it's a bit harder to do, which is why I

534
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:22.440
do it in the in the podcast episodes really well.

535
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:25.599
And does your book help to explain that? So, for instance,

536
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.000
I get up, I practically get up every morning and

537
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:31.480
I go out walking, you know, yeah, for you know,

538
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:36.440
three four or five kilometers. And during that time, it's

539
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.160
you know interesting I walk around because I'm in Thailand

540
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:42.119
right now. There's trees, there's you know a number of

541
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:45.799
rice rice fields and so forth. There's even a Buddhist

542
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:50.720
temple that I walk by. How how would I use that?

543
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.839
You know? How would I use that ability to walk

544
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:59.240
like I can and going through those different locations. If

545
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:02.680
I if I wake up frustrated about a certain situation

546
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:04.839
and I want to resolve it, and I'm going, okay,

547
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:06.960
I'm going to go for a walk, what do I

548
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.720
do on that walk? What do I observe? How do

549
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.799
I observe in a way to start to remove that

550
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.240
frustration and find the greater sense of peace, which I

551
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.599
believe once I find that the solutions will come a

552
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:20.440
little bit easier.

553
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:26.599
The the biggest challenge, I suppose is the fact that

554
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.400
the first thing I would do is that invite you

555
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:33.039
to park the problem. So it's like, if you're worrying

556
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:37.720
about a particular situation, it's okay, we'll leave. And this

557
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.759
is this is where our logical mind needs telling that.

558
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:44.079
This is what we're going to do, is dearest logical brain,

559
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:46.200
we are going to go for a walk and we're

560
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.920
going to apply more metaphoricals. You know, look at it metaphorically.

561
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:55.079
So I'm not like, I like you, logical brain not

562
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:58.799
to keep playing the story. So we are sending you,

563
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:02.720
logical brain and the story on a coffee break. Now.

564
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:07.680
I know I'm emphasizing it a lot, but it is

565
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.720
really important and it's something I say in the book,

566
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:13.359
and it's something I have to do repeatedly if I'm

567
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:17.039
walking with somebody, because what happens is we see a path,

568
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:23.000
we see a signpost, and we start trying to translate

569
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:26.880
it immediately. Oh oh, I need to put you know all, Okay,

570
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.000
I need a I need a signpost. I'm not looking

571
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.519
for the you know, the site. I don't know where

572
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.519
I want to go or whatever, and we automatically jump

573
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:39.319
into thinking that's the solution. So the biggest thing is

574
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:44.319
we're going to park the story and actually ask invite

575
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:50.440
our brain not to regurgitate the story for the for

576
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.680
the whole walk, and then if we need to, we

577
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:59.200
might need to write what we notice down so that

578
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.799
we can retell it later so we see it and

579
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:04.680
sometimes it just it could become obvious. But the idea

580
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:06.440
is to just go for a walk and notice what

581
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:09.639
you notice. So it might be that it's a walk

582
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:11.559
sounds like at the moment, it's a walk you may

583
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:16.039
have done frequently. So what is it that you noticed differently? Oh,

584
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.480
I noticed that tree. I've never noticed that tree before.

585
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.320
What is it about? What is it about that tree?

586
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:25.239
So somebody at the weekend suddenly realized there was this

587
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.480
oak tree, and they were talking about this oak tree,

588
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:32.000
and there were lots of saplings that she was noticing

589
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.760
because she's got very frustrated about nothing was happening. And

590
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:41.559
so these saplings to her afterwards were a reminder that, oh,

591
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:44.679
we don't always see growth. I mean, the acorns fall

592
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.199
to the ground, they go down, they then sprout. It

593
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:51.320
might be while before they become trees. But what she

594
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:55.119
also noticed it, and this was about twenty minutes in

595
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:58.199
and we've just been talking about the oak trees and everything,

596
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.639
was she noticed that the oak trees were in a

597
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:07.039
circle with five other oak trees. So you'd sort of notice,

598
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.239
you'd like you'd notice the sapling. So if you've not

599
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.480
got a great memory like mine, you might write it down.

600
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.079
So it's like, I've noticed the saplings, I've noticed the

601
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:18.039
oak tree. I've noticed that the oak tree is in

602
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:21.639
a circle. It might be that you notice paths, but

603
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:27.719
it's to try and immerse yourself in the in the landscape. Now,

604
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:30.920
what you could do is go what part of this

605
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:37.760
landscape represents my challenge? And you might go, oh it's that, Yeah, yeah,

606
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.559
it's that, And then it's just about going, well, what

607
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:44.559
would the solution look like? What would I need to

608
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:49.079
do to eradicate that landscape? So it's a bit difficult

609
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:52.920
because everybody will do something different, but the chances are

610
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:56.119
that the patterns you notice, when you then get back,

611
00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:00.360
you can go, oh, I got lost, So how did

612
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:03.760
I get unlost? So it's sort of about telling the

613
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:07.639
story of the walk through the patterns. Oh well, I

614
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:09.800
got so far and then I got and then I

615
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:12.280
got lost. Why did you get lost? I got lost

616
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.559
because I didn't intuition said I should go right, and

617
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.800
I decided I was going to go left because I

618
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:21.000
wanted to go the difficult route or something. So it's

619
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:25.119
just about replaying it, but replaying it with the patterns.

620
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:28.119
So what decisions did you make? What did you notice?

621
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:31.719
What are the patterns that you notice? And it's in

622
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:37.159
that exploration that our brain convert because it is our

623
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.559
inner wisdom talking to us. It is our inner wisdom

624
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.480
allowing that person at the weekend to notice that those

625
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.920
trees were in a circle and that actually what they

626
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:50.599
were missing was a collaborative you know, they were feeling

627
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:53.920
quite alone, and actually they weren't alone, and they needed

628
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:56.760
to ask for help of this little mini community.

629
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:00.199
Well, and do you do you find it? I mean,

630
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:03.760
as you talk about that, I'm thinking, Wow, that really

631
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:09.280
takes a mindful approach to that walk. When I get

632
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:11.519
up tomorrow morning, it's got to be just a really

633
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:16.880
mindful approach to this walk. How do you help people,

634
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:19.840
you know, and because they can't be with you all

635
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:24.039
of the time, obviously, and how do you help people

636
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:29.039
to be able to become mindful enough and focus enough

637
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.599
to be able to use this process that you're talking

638
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.880
about in a way that really does help them to

639
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.119
work their way through these problems and in many cases

640
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:43.599
work their way through these limiting beliefs that have been

641
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:45.239
affecting their lives for so long.

642
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:51.719
My experience is the way I describe is a lot

643
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.400
of people that come to me or stock in a

644
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.239
root or you know, they're stock, and I help them

645
00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:59.079
out of it, and once they're once they're out of it,

646
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:03.719
they have the skills needed to then use this process.

647
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.400
And so therefore that's what happened is so I had

648
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:08.920
an email from somebody and at the time, she's saying

649
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:11.519
to me, all right, right, let's let's let's arrange another

650
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:14.199
session in three months time. And I'm thinking, you don't

651
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.360
need it, but she really will put it in the diary.

652
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:18.280
And I'm thinking, all right, we'll put it in the diary.

653
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.559
But I sort of penciled it in the diary with

654
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:25.360
her unlikely and absolutely the week before, oh, I don't

655
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.079
need it because this has happened. And literally the story

656
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.199
she's telling me was of how many things have changed,

657
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:33.719
how she was able to look at things differently. So

658
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:38.119
I think I see what I do as opening people

659
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:40.679
up to hear they're inner wisdom. And once they've heard

660
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.159
the whispers of their inner wisdom, they're not going to

661
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:45.960
forget how to do that. And so somebody might come

662
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:47.519
back once a year to say, oh, can we have

663
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:52.079
a bit of a refresh, or because they'd like me

664
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:56.239
to be asking questions off them rather than themselves. But

665
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.800
I think it's that's the hard bit to convey that

666
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.920
once you've heard the whispers of your inner wisdom, you're

667
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:05.320
just going to be really excited about, Oh my God,

668
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.320
the part within me that does know what to do.

669
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:10.119
And I've now got an you know, I just need

670
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:11.880
to go for a walk and hear it. Or if

671
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:13.559
it's not going for walk, I need to draw it

672
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.239
or do a collage or yeah. And yes, the book

673
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:20.480
does give you for every phrase that you might utter,

674
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.679
four or five different ways of exploring it if you're

675
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:26.199
out in nature, if you're not out in nature, drawing,

676
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:29.159
imagining it in your head. So there's lots of different

677
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.840
techniques to do it. But the sense I have is

678
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:37.320
once you've experienced it once, you're not going to forget.

679
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:41.000
That okay, so how do people find your book number one?

680
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.320
And how do people find you can't see?

681
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:50.199
The wood for the trees is available worldwide. The tagline

682
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:54.119
is Landscaping your Life. To get back on track, Landscaping

683
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:56.840
your Life sometimes is the easier mechanism if you're doing

684
00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:01.960
a search, because forever reason with the apostrophe can't then

685
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:06.559
some search engines just fall down, So Landscaping your Life

686
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:11.480
would find it. The website is Alisonsmith dot Co with

687
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:15.039
nothing else after it. But the easiest way is just

688
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:18.920
searching Landscaping your Life. Because Landscaping a Life is the podcast.

689
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.920
It's the tagline in the book. It's the hashtag I

690
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:27.760
use on all social media LinkedIn, Facebook, etc. So, yeah,

691
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.400
Landscaping your Life. And if you added in Alison or

692
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.159
Alison Smith to that, you'd find where all different places

693
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.880
that I'm available. But I think if somebody's gone, oh yeah,

694
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:41.440
I'd like to try that, I think the book does it.

695
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:43.719
And I'm not trying to persuade somebody not to buy

696
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.400
the book. But if they go to the web to

697
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:50.800
the podcast, they could then there's sixty sixty four currently

698
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.039
podcast episodes and they can go and choose the one

699
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:56.239
that resonates with hout They're feeling Oh yeah, yeah, I'm

700
00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:58.840
feeling like I'm going around in circle. Yeah, I'm feeling

701
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like I'm stuck between a rocker in the hard place.

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And then and then I talk them through the process

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and yeah.

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Oh wonderful. So your podcasts actually focus on those different challenges. Oh,

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that's wonderful to hear. That's wonderful to hear. Well, as

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we close today, what would be what would be a

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message that you really want to share with the audience

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that as they finish up, that this is something that

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will stay with them and they'll think about I think.

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The fact nature doesn't have must sorts and shuds, so

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you can't tell a daisy look you should face that

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way that you know the days is going to face

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this way because that's what allows it to flourish. And

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nature has patients. It's like we expect immediate returns these days,

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and yet plants you know, you plan to seed and

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you don't keep poking it. It's not going to grow.

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You just got to give it the right conditions allow

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it to grow, and you know, and then it will grow.

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But sometimes we sort of think it's going to grow

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with outright conditions and all going to happen immediately. So

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I think it's look to nature's patience and the order

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of things that if we let go of some of

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the most and shoulds in our lives, then we might

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find ourselves going off at different directions, but they're directions

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that would give us more joy and passion in life.

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Oh, I'd love it. Well, thanks so much for me.

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This is fascinating. I'd love to take a look at

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that book because I think that you know, being able

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to figure out and I love your concept of metaphors.

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I think that whole process of being able to use

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metaphors and as we said, for yourself and then also

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as you're in communication with your family, with your loved ones,

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or in business or wherever it happens to be recognizing

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that using metaphors takes away some of the resistance from

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the other individual that you're really honestly trying to help,

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and it allows you to help them to start to

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think for themselves and to come up with a solution,

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which is you and I both know is really the

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way that you can be helpful has allowed them to

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come up with the solution. So anyway, Alison, thanks so much.

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I really appreciate you being on the show and that

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and folks, thanks for listening. I hope you got something

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out of this, and please go to the website and

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see what makes see what gives you some moneys and

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thoughts about your own life. Appreciate it anyway. This is

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doctor Doug saying, have a wonderful week and no mistay