Kindness for Success

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of the day, it's not about
what you have or even what you've accomplished.

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It's about what you've done with those
accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted

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up, who you've made better.
It's about what you've given back. Denzel

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Washington, Welcome to Inspire Vision.
Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives

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of others and to inspire you to
do the same. Joseph, Welcome to

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the show. How you doing.
Hi, I've been doing wonderful, So

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excited to be here. Well,
I'm really pleased to have you on the

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show. And you know, it's
a lot of fun to hear the story

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in the background of people that I
interview, And so for the audience Number

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one, I know you have a
couple of names, so i'd love for

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you to explain that, and then
also just kind of talk about what brought

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you to this point in your life. What were the experiences that you had

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that brought you to write the book
that you've written, and talk a little

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bit about that. And then also
were there any specific moments that said,

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all right, Joseph, it's time
to do this. Yeah. Absolutely.

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So, as you know, I
am publicly known as Dark Joseph Ravine.

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People call me DJR or you can
call me Joseph. Any of the two

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names are accepted. And here's my
book, Watch Out. It's Nolan.

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It's basically very similar to the story
of my life and the difficult things I

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faced as a child to hopefully inspire
educators, parents and children to be understanding

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of each other. And you know, especially when it comes to adults understanding

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children. I think that's something that's
very important these days because sometimes, you

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know, children could become very nasty
and mean, and it could be bullies

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and abusers, and it all comes
from feeling misunderstood or not heard, or

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not talked or not spoken to and
things like that. So I wrote this

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book on behalf of trying to inspire. Mostly, I would say parents and

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educators to help them to under be
understanding of a child. When you don't

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know the backstory of where someone comes
from, it's important to know that.

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On top of that as well,
it's also meant to teach about children learning

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how to stand up for themselves,
for children to learn to be kind to

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each other, and also for educators
to learn how being kind can make a

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huge difference, especially when it comes
to you know, school environments. You

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know, And I interviewed a fellow
a few ways that his whole focus was

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on education and on the educators,
and his whole focus was, Look,

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it's all about the children. It's
all about the children. And so I

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love what you're talking about with this
book, and you know what's interesting to

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me, and we'll talk about this
a little bit more. You know,

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there are bullies in every dimension of
our lives, whether it's elementary school,

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middle school, high school, college, even the workforce and everywhere bullying is

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yeah, and a lot of times
we focus on the peer group that's doing

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the bullying. But as you had
mentioned, there are sometimes that teachers,

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bosses, managers, whatever that is, are not aware that they are bullying

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other people. Now you mentioned what
is your story what what motivates you to

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write the book? What did you
experience as a child that now here you

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are as an adult that ultimately said, you know what I need to write

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about this. I was picked down
a lot by students in a school that

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was very toxic and didn't behave very
well. The educators were also very racist

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and did not know how to properly
treat the students, and they were allowing

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the students to do all kinds of
bad things such as bullying. You know,

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instead of you know, they saw
that I wasn't happy, and instead

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of helping me that, they made
the situation worse. And so it wasn't

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a very understanding environment. And I
just want to say very openly, first,

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I would never blame children, because
children are children and they don't know

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better. But who I do blame
is teachers because they're adults and they should

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know better. If you see a
student not happy and crying and kids bullying

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a student, why would you carry
on allowing that and then join in and

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make it worse. You're an adult, you should know better, you know,

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even I was told many times in
my life. You know, you're

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an adult. You should know better
than to do certain things so well.

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And yeah, let me interrupt you
for a minute because you brought an interesting

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point. You know, you have
teachers, and I'm aware of this from

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one of my friends here, that
you actually have teachers that are bullying,

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actively bullying for whatever reason, who
knows. But then you have also adults,

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whether it's teachers or adults or whatever, that observe the bullying and they

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don't do anything about it. It's
not that they're bullying personally, but they're

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not doing anything about it. And
an effect, by allowing that bullying to

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occur, they are actually participating in
it. Absolutely. And this is something

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that you know, I was told
also as a person, you know,

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you know, for many people a
lot of the times, even though I

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have a passion to help make our
future generation better and to help children,

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sometimes they tell me, you know, you're an adult, you shouldn't be

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interacting with children. But so that's
kind of where I have to know my

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boundaries about how much you interact,
Like you can't be close friends with a

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child unless you're friends with their parents, or you know, you can't you

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know, demand that children you know
do stuff for you or or give you

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stuff or or things like that.
So you know, even I've had my

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moments where, you know, nothing
critical, but I've had my moments where

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I didn't have the best interactions with
children as an adult. So I kind

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of understand them too because they did
exactly very similar things I did. You

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know, so sometimes you have to
be an experience to know something well.

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And let me ask you this question, why were you bullyed? What were

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the elements as you were growing up? Yeah, because there's always there's always

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different things. I mean, here
with my friend and I mentioned this before,

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it's it's because I'm in Thailand right
now. It's a child that is

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trying to speak English and learning at
home, and as he tries that in

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school, the kids laugh and the
teacher says, don't need to know that,

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and is actually bullying the kid too. So you know, there are

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different types of things. Or I
interviewed someone the other day that you know,

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they were very short and so forth. There are children that have learning

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disabilities that totally get bullied. What
was your experience why were you bullied in

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your in your at least based on
so for me, it had more to

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do with religious reasons. It had
also more to do with my h that

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I didn't know how to interact well
with people. I didn't know how to

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express myself well. I didn't learn
well. I never had motivation to learn.

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It also had to do with the
fact that I was very sensitive and

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I cried a lot. I also
had a toxic environment outside of the school

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too, So it was not just
the school I was toxic, but it

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was like my whole life in general, and also the feeling like feeling I

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couldn't speak to anybody because you know, even at the time, my parents

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didn't understand. I mean today they
understand, but back then they didn't.

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But yeah, you know, I
felt very alone in the world once upon

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a time, and so I didn't
behave right. So I want to help

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people, especially children, you know, who not have that experience of going

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through feeling like like they don't have
anyone they can talk to, or things

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like that, or you know things. But you know, as I mentioned

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previously, you've got to know your
boundaries. You can never help anybody who

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does not want the help. You
know, if parents don't want you to

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give them help, then don't give
them any help whatsoever. So right now

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I try to maintain boundaries about how
I help children well, and and for

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a child that's being bullied, because
you experienced that, and now as an

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adult deserving that, what would you
say to the child? And and let's

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say, you have permission. Okay, I get what you're saying, all

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right, Uh. And quite honestly, as we look at the educational process,

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the teachers, the counselors within the
school, they do have a responsibility

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to observe what's going on with the
child emotionally and then being able to being

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able to talk to the parents and
the student and really talk about what's going

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on there and really be their friend
in some respects. But you know,

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back to the original question, what
would you say to a child that's being

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bullied? What are some of the
first steps that they could take if they

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were emotionally able to do this to
minimize that bullying and ultimately to somehow affect

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a change for me personally. First, I bring their parents. A kid

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has no authority to do something on
their own, so first I bring their

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parents in, and then I would
tell them that you have to understand that

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if you feel like you're not in
the best environment for if you feel like

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you're being hurt by these kids,
and you feel you're not doing anything to

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trigger this, then maybe this isn't
the right environment for you. Maybe you've

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got to go find another environment where
you feel more suited in what's the reason

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you're getting bullied? You know,
you are you doing something that's making people

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bully you, Are you doing something
that's that's causing you to be sad?

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You know, you have to find
the backstory of the child and find out

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what's making them not happy and how
we can possibly undo that and how we

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can possibly make a difference, because
you know, when you don't know the

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backstory, then that's when all hell
breaks loose. You know, you got

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to know where people come from in
order to feel the pain and find a

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resolution, you know, because the
backstory always makes it. And that really

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puts the responsibility to some degree on
the on the parents, doesn't it.

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And and you hope, as you
said, your environment wasn't didn't have the

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ability to do that. And in
many cases, you know, we all

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experience that to some degree. And
so you know, I love the fact

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that there's a message here for parents
that if your child is being bullied,

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number one, what's the home environment, like, are they able to talk

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to you about that? And if
so, then can you get into a

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discussion without any judgment at all and
find out what's happening, why is it

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happening? You know, there are
things that a child can control, as

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you say, but there are some
things that a child cannot control. If

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they're if they have learning disability,
if they happen to be you know short,

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if they you know, whatever that
happens to be. You know,

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they can't control absolutely. And that's
go ahead. Yeah, And that's where

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I kind of say that, you
know, when people cannot control certain things,

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that that's what needs to be understood. But it's not just the child

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alone. The parents, the teachers, the counselors, everybody as a whole

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needs to know that as well,
because you know, that way they can

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all work together to help the child
too. There was a time I did

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believe in children trying to resolve things
on their own, but then I realized

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that wasn't a good idea, that
wasn't morally right, and that sometimes kids

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really do need the help of their
parents and the teachers and everybody to all

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know it together, because if you
try to teach a child to do something

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on their own, it may create
rebellions it may create fights between parents and

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you know, a lack of behavior, and you know, I'm not for

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that. As a person. My
job is to make sure parents and children

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and educators and counselor are all happy. And I'm glad you said that,

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because you're absolutely right. We cannot
expect a child to handle that emotionally.

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There's a reason why they're being bullied, and that reason emotionally, whatever that

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happens to be, is going to
prevent them from being able to really handle

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that. And then, as you
say, it really gets to the parents,

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it gets to the teachers, it
gets to the counselors. So when

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you were bullied, were you bullied
by one particular individual by you know,

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and then others joined in or was
it a general group that always bullied you.

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What was your experience with that.
So I had this one guy that

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just would never stop bullying me.
He just had such a passion to ruin

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my life and make me stuffer.
You know, many people forgot, but

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I still remember to this day.
He even hosted an end of the year

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party and made sure I was the
only one not invited, And unfortunately I

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invited myself to the party foolishly because
at the time, you know, I

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just didn't feel it was fair.
I mean, if I had the intelligence

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I have today back then, I
would not even leave the school and never

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wi them from day one. But
I remember all the bad things he's done,

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and he never ever apologized for hurting
me. But you know, I

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don't know. I don't know why
people are hurt so much in their life

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where they can they can really do
life ruining things to people, Like it's

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like, how could you root someone's
life and not care? Yeah, and

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you know, and and and the
point that you just brought up, why

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do people bully? What is it
in their lives that are causing them to

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bully other people? And that's what
I said, It's because they're hurting their

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own life. They're not understood in
their own life. They're sad in their

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own lives. They feel like they're
not being listened to or understood, and

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so they take that out on people. You know, I know a particular

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environment of kids that misbehave and and
I think it's because I blame the adults

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of that environment that are not doing
a good job dealing with those kids,

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you know, So you know,
the adicts have a role in it.

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You know, well, they really
do. And as you say, you

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know, the emotional challenges that a
bully is experiencing is deep, in all

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likelihood, maybe even deeper than the
emotional challenges of that individual that's being bullied.

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And so as teachers, as parents, you know, there needs to

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be that focus on the bully also, and not from a negative standpoint,

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but rather from a standpoint of let's
understand what's going on here, how can

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we help them emotionally, how can
we help them to gain a better sense

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of the goodness of who they are
so that they won't bully absolutely, And

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that's supportant not only for just the
kids, but the parents too, because

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if at least the parents know where
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then maybe they can understand that as
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even better and then they can build
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and it'll be more like longer lasting
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because if you think about it,
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their parents and basically not wanting anything
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a certain age, to me,
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To hear about to think that they
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they separate it, and that's why
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I always think that nobody loves you
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to do your very best to compromise
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you want the relationship to last,
even above and beyond. You know,

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well, that's true. And I
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about, and I actually wrote this
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use kindness for success. Let's let's
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and rather than you know, really
focusing on the bullying and all of that

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for a minute, let's talk about
how kindness can bring an individual success not

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only in their business, but more
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if you think about it, it's
a strategic process. When somebody comes into

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your like let's say in a business
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you in general, and you're nice
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give them what they want and you
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difference, then that person says,
oh wow, this is amazing. I

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love this person. I'm going to
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I love this business. I'm gonna
I had such a great experience. I'm

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going to recommend them to more.
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how more people are generated. If
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oh, I'm never coming back here
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He's not a good not a good
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and then that's when the business starts
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that's how kindness leads to success in
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a method. You know, one
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to another, and then that's how
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to people well and talking about individuals
who are challenged in life. That kindness

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can be a big thing. Share
some stories that you've experienced where your kindness

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you have observed. And you know, so many times we never know the

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end result of something that we do. It's very rare that someone will come

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back and say, Hey, that
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difference in my life. We just
don't hear that often. But do you

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have any stories where you were able
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was made in someone's life that you
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instances where, you know, I've
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deal with situations and how to you
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you know, there's been times that
I've helped teenagers understand their rights and know

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how to not let people get to
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know, and they told me,
You've made a big difference in our lives

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by saying what you were saying.
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parents because of you know, sometimes
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that are there. So that's kind
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you should, no matter when you're
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always get parents involved to make sure
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know, even if you do something
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to help a child or try to
make some child happy, you know,

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if the parent's not happy, then
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So now it's my intention for this
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to make sure that I make sure
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happy, you know that great n
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because you know what's interesting, at
what point time in your life because you

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were bullied and I'm sure that caused
all sorts of issues for you. At

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what point time in your life did
you overcome the effects of bullying if you

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have, and how were you able
to do that consciously? Well, the

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truth is since I started my career
of becoming famous and known in the public

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eye, and then once I started
building my following on social media and I

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started growing, and I figured out
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viral, and how to do things, and now I could do that for

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anybody else. So I'm basically not
only do I have my book and my

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TV show and influencer, but I
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self and that I don't have to
depend on anybody else. That's when I

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really found happiness in my life.
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you find happiness, that's most powerful
thing that anybody can because money success never

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can buy happiness. Happiness is something
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So that's how I overcame about and
as you say you you did it.

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You took the responsibility to say,
you know what I need. I need

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to overcome this. I need to
do what I need to do to be

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successful, to be happy, to
not feel like I can be bullied anymore.

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And so that's what you did.
That's what you did. And how

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many followers do you have? We're
about to hit one point one million on

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Instagram and then YouTube is I think
it's a little over eighty thousand. Twitter's

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over one hundred thousand, and Facebook
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TikTok is sixty thousand. Wow.
That that is amazing. And you did

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marketing. You did that on your
own. Yep. I'm a marketing fanatic.

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So I can do this not only
for myself, for anybody else.

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But keep in mind eye that with
my agency, I don't work with just

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anyone. When I market them,
I have to trust them first. I

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have to like what they do.
I have to be interested. You know,

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money doesn't buy me working with you. I have to genuinely like what

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you do. And you know,
it has to be something that is good

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because when you bring yourself out to
the public, you're bringing yourself out to

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haters or mean people, and you
need thick skin for things like that.

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otherwise it looks bad on me.
Well, and you know it's interesting.

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I mean, here we are talking
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so forth, But when you think
about the fact that what you went through,

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you could have chosen to ultimately be
a victim, and you could still

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be experiencing that victim mentality in your
life. And you know you, I'm

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sure you know, and I definitely
know people or just live their lives as

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a victim. But what you did, your experience caused you and you personally

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made the decision that rather than to
be a victim, you were going to

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be empowered and use those experiences to
not only help yourself, but to help

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others. And you know in two
ways that you're doing that writing the book,

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which I think is amazing that you
know it's going to help people if

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they'll read it to understand and get
some ideas and at least cause them to

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start to rethink their own lives as
parents, as teachers, whatever that is.

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But even even in business, you
know where you're where you're helping someone

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through your marketing to be successful in
their business that can make such a difference

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in their lives, for their family, for their loved ones, all of

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those types of things. Yeah,
having a huge following definitely does make a

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difference and does help a lot of
people. The only you know, the

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only downside is you know there's mean
people writing nasty things and hey and everything,

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and you really need thick skin to
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For me, I have very thick
skin because I found happiness in my

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life. So no matter how much
hate somebody writes to me, I'll never

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be impacted by it ever, because
I always I've accomplished and I don't care

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what anybody has to say about me. Well, you know, it's interesting

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because I see that a lot as
I'm reading the news and other things,

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and where people are, you know, doing their podcasts, they're doing their

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Instagram, they're doing all of those
things, and all of a sudden they're

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getting this hate comment. And it's
like, what on earth is motivating someone

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to write that type of comment to
another individual. It doesn't make sense,

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No, it doesn't. But as
Kylie Jenner once that when people write negative

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things on social media. It comes
from a place of them having their own

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issues. It has nothing to do
with you. And as my mother told

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taught me, hurt people hurt people. That means people that are hurt in

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their lives want to hurt other people. Well and and I think that becomes

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the key. And and and I
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that you know, as we as
we were being bullied. I remember experienced

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with one of my with one of
my children where they were being bullied and

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by an adult, and and I
did my best to help them to understand

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that it has nothing to do with
you. It has everything to do with

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them and what they're experiencing, and
for whatever reason, they have to take

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it out on you. And I
think that's something really important for people to

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understand, particularly the children, the
teenagers, even the adults when you're being

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bold, all ages need to understand
because in that way, that's how they're

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going to learn and become better and
they're going to rise up up. You

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know, you just have to know, you know, even for me,

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you know, with my book and
everything I try to help people and inspire

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people. You can't change people,
you know, people can. I can

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only preach what I believe in and
what I've experienced, and you know,

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do what I would do in certain
situations. But you know, I can't

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change people. You know, they
have to decide if they want to accept

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the information or not well, and
that's the key, and I love that

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you said that too. Just the
fact that as you're writing a book and

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as someone's reading it, you know, there are people that are reading it

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and going to shut it, and
you know they're not even going to understand

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what you really are doing. Other
people will read it, and the goal,

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hopefully is to motivate them to look
at their own lives and then become

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curious enough that they start to do
a little bit more research and you know,

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introspective work and those type of things
to where they can improve themselves because

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your book said something that motivated them
absolutely, and that's the whole point to

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learn, you know, And because
as you if you actually read towards the

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end of my book, there's a
little synopsis that says bullying is never okay

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and so and I write at the
very end of it, in this story,

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Nolan has a helper. In life. Children do not have helpers.

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That is why it is important to
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no longer part of a community,
country, or world. Bullying is never

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okay, and that means not only
in schools but everywhere. So how do

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we pronote how do we promote kindness? What are your thoughts about what do

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we do as individuals to really promote
kindness? Because it's one thing to be

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kind, you know, and hopefully
that's going to pass on, but it's

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another thing to be able to actually
actively promote kindness that will influence others to

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also be kind and maybe even beyond
that, promote kindness themselves. I'm glad

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you're bringing that up because one specific
strategy I learned from celebrities was learned to

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be a helper and a hero,
you know. Tou Ziorman once said,

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in business, it's all about helping
people first, not money, you know,

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and I say the same thing with
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you help somebody make someone's life better, you know, make somebody rise above

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all the negativity, take somebody out
of their negative stage and put them in

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a positive work. You know.
Because there's so many celebrities who're all about

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helping people, and that's kind of
how I motivate myself to be the same

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way. All about helping people.
But you know, of course it has

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to be balanced. You can't help
people who don't want it. You've got

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to help people who do want it, you know well. And in business,

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I mean, if you're helping if
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productive, you know, bottom line
financially is improving, how do they help

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Well, I'm glad you're bringing that
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you sell an item or a service
of any kind, you have to think,

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how can this item change somebody's life
for the better? You know,

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it's not just about selling items or
buying stuff. It's about actually providing worthwhile

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value to somebody. So for example, with my marketing, you know,

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I would say I would look at
somebody and I would say, how can

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I turn this person into a superstar? How can I make them stand out?

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How can I make them look so
good in front of people that it'll

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lead to opportunities that will lead to
more people coming to them, that it'll

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you know, So to me,
you know, it's more about helping people

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as much as you can. Like
for example, you know, when you

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even sell an item, if you
sell a kind of food or juice that's

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made to help people be healthier.
Now you're being a hero for that.

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You know, you could sell items
like I have a store called in Kindness

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for Success, where we sell items
that have the Kindness for Success logo.

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They're not any that deals with helping
people, but there are items that are

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made for people to remember to be
kind and to promote the kindness message around

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the world based on the items that
they buy. So I wouldn't say that

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there's any special life changing effect on
what I offer, but you know,

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I'm not too ever, how to
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I look at it. Yeah,
you know what comes to my mind,

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and it is a story that I
experienced personally. My dad passed away in

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twenty ten, and he was a
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very good nationally known opera voice teacher, classical voice teacher. And when

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he passed away, the university he
decided to have a memorial service for him,

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even though he had been gone you
know me and retired for years.

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they brought in people who are just
telling stories about my dad and so forth.

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I walked out of there, and
for me, this was the point

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in my life that changed my direction
and gave me the real purpose and helped

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me to understand what my purpose could
be. But as I walked out,

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00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:23.200
yeah, I'm glad. Yeah,
let me finish on this. So I

411
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.519
walked out, and I'm going,
here's what I heard. And I was

412
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.920
telling my brothers and my sister this. I'm not sure they understood what I

413
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.799
was trying to say, but here's
what I heard. Norman is my dad.

414
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:40.279
Yes, he was a great voice
teacher, and he was, like

415
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:45.279
I said, nationally not But then
they said, but more importantly, he

416
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:52.359
gave us the will to win,
to love, and to be successful,

417
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:57.200
in other words, through his teaching, because of who he was and his

418
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:02.599
communication with his students. You know. Yeah, his job was to teach

419
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:07.200
them how to sing, and they
did, but he gave them the ability

420
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:12.680
to learn to be successful, to
do this, to give them the power

421
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.640
to do that and empower them.
And that had nothing to do with his

422
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:21.119
job. It had everything to do
with who he was and how he dealt

423
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:27.119
with those around him. And I
think it's interesting in business so often,

424
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:32.119
you know, I have some colleagues
that they tell me that in their business,

425
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:37.480
what they really look for is what
are their employees' purposes, what are

426
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.599
their goals, what are they trying
to accomplish in their life? And as

427
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:45.319
they focus on that and help them, they have greater and higher productivity.

428
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:49.359
So anyway, make the comments that
you wanted to make, I didn't mean

429
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.079
to interruct. So what I wanted
to say was I'm glad you're bringing up

430
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.839
singing and entertainment, because you know
how singing helps people. When you sing

431
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:59.440
a song for people, you make
them enjoy, so you're helping them that

432
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.039
way. When you entertain people and
you make them laugh, you're helping them

433
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:07.880
that way as well. So that's
also a version of heroic helping. If

434
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:12.400
you want my honest opinion on that, well, it absolutely is. And

435
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:17.160
as you say, not only from
an individual standpoint of if you have that

436
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:22.960
ability to sing and that eras Now
can I sing classically now that I used

437
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.119
to sing a little bit, Yeah, but you know at this point in

438
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:31.200
time, I can't. But every
time I get on and listen to classical

439
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:38.839
music and classical voices, it engenders
something in me that brings about such a

440
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:44.279
sense of happiness, of peace,
of love, And I think for people

441
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:50.480
it's really important to understand that as
you're experiencing some downtime terms in your life,

442
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.640
oftentimes being able to listen to music
as you say, or you know,

443
00:33:54.799 --> 00:34:00.880
to go to a funny movie or
whatever that happens to be can bring

444
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:07.559
about and increase that level of emotion
to where you go from anger or upset

445
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:14.679
in us to joy and happiness.
And even if it's just for and if

446
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.599
it's just a moment, do that
enough times, and all of a sudden,

447
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:24.079
moments become more and more one hundred
percent. And that's exactly what life

448
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:29.920
is all about. Even Kim Kardashian
once said, if you find true happiness,

449
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.360
that's all that matters. You don't
need money, you don't need success,

450
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.800
you don't need revenge, you don't
need anything in this life. As

451
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:40.880
long as you're happy, that's all
that matters. Well, And you talk

452
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:45.840
a lot about celebrities, and you
know that can be somewhat of an interesting

453
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:53.400
discussion because you see a lot of
celebrities that are really doing good, though

454
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:57.559
most of the time you don't know
what they're doing. All right, Obviously

455
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:02.639
you seem to know, but you
have celebrities also that are not necessarily doing

456
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:07.280
good. They're saying things, they're
being unkind, they're doing things. Oh

457
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.599
yeah, No, there's a lot
of them that you know what happens.

458
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:15.320
And I actually because I deal with
them, Like I wouldn't say like one

459
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:17.519
hundred percent dealing, but I do
partially deal with them. Like if you

460
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:21.599
look at Britney Spears, for example, when she was mean to her fans

461
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.480
and everything, when she mentioned in
her court audio that she's been forced to

462
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:29.480
go on tour against her will and
forced to do things against her will and

463
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.440
meet people against her will and be
medicated because she did so many things against

464
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.760
her will, that's why she was
frustrated and she just took it out on

465
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.119
her fans and things like that.
And so that's when I try to tell

466
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:45.400
people. And sometimes when people are
mean, even celebrities, it's not personal.

467
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.800
Sometimes people really go through really horrible
things, and a celebrity life is

468
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.519
not the easiest life, especially when
you get a record deal or sports deal.

469
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:57.440
You're going to be work to your
bone and you're going to have to

470
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:00.039
do things against your will otherwise you
get thrown up out, you know,

471
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:05.159
So you know, it's very very
set. The good thing about me though,

472
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:07.199
is at least I own my own
marketing and I do my own investing

473
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:12.719
in marketing, so I never have
to worry about record labels or things like

474
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.199
that. I could do everything all
on my own, no problems, so

475
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:19.800
I don't have like contracts or things
that I need to follow. But you

476
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.480
know, it's a very hard life
to be famous because you really have to

477
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:27.199
work for the people who you're doing. You're making money for, like I

478
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.039
don't know six hundred seven hundred people, which is the manager of security,

479
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:35.440
the companies people you make money for. Everybody you know, the only keep

480
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:39.800
a percentageself as a celebrity. Well, and you know what happens is as

481
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:44.760
you bring that up again, I
think it re emphasizes the point that you

482
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:51.400
brought up earlier that oftentimes when you
see things going on that you interpret as

483
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:55.519
being unkind or it actually is unkind
whatever, it has nothing to do with

484
00:36:55.599 --> 00:37:02.760
you. But it helps to understand
that that ended up visual is expressing themselves

485
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:08.199
out of frustration, out of whatever
that happens to be. We don't understand

486
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:13.280
what they're going through and how important
it is to try to do that.

487
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:19.440
Here's the interesting thing, though,
how many times does an individual look at

488
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.719
their own life and you know,
I've experienced this just recently here here in

489
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:28.880
Thailand. It just frustrates me not
to be able to understand people. And

490
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.039
sometimes you know, though, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

491
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:35.039
okay, great, this is how
it's going to go, and all

492
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.960
of a sudden it doesn't happen,
and I recognize that, all right,

493
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:42.000
they say yes, yes because they
don't understand, and I'm thinking that they

494
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.519
understand and they're saying yes, and
so then I get really frustrated. And

495
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:50.119
there's been a couple of times it's
like wow, you know, and I'm

496
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:59.280
experiencing frustration. I'm experiencing some anger
here internally why? And I think that

497
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.719
it's important for people to understand and
be aware that when they are starting to

498
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:07.039
experience that, and they can observe
that in their own lives, that they

499
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:14.039
need to start looking at introspectively,
what's going on in my life and what

500
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.599
do I need to change, what
do I need to understand? How do

501
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:22.199
I seek that level of understanding so
that I don't personally experience that, Because

502
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.800
when you personally experience that frustration,
that anger, and so forth. They

503
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:31.920
can cause all sorts of illnesses and
other things. Absolutely, and I wanted

504
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:35.000
to say to you that, you
know, at one point, there was

505
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:40.320
a time my thoughts celebrities were narcissistic
and mean and egotistical and bad people.

506
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:45.199
But once I really start to goet
like to investigate about them in their lives

507
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:49.760
and the difficult things they've been through
on top of you know, being abused

508
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:53.039
by their management and everything, I
started having compassion. Britney Spears is a

509
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:58.400
perfect example. I thought, you
know, because she was successful, you

510
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.159
know, that's why I was getting
to a head. But then I realized

511
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:05.960
because she was in a conservatorship and
she really was getting abused by her management,

512
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:08.199
and you know, she was just
making money for so many people,

513
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:13.719
and she was just you know,
getting taken advantage of so much, and

514
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:15.599
it just it was so sad for
her. Now I have a lot of

515
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:21.440
empathy for her, and I feel
so will and I think, you know,

516
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.800
at the end of the day,
I was going to say that,

517
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:25.679
at the end of the day,
you know, celebrities, one thing you

518
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:30.440
should know. You know, they
are very big givers. They make money

519
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.599
for so many people, They give
to companies they gift to people, they

520
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.360
give to their fans, they give
so many things. They give. They're

521
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.719
big givers. And that's why to
them, why they're successful, it is

522
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:45.199
because they're heroes. And that's what
I try to teach people about learning.

523
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.639
You have to learn to be a
hero and help people. Whatever you do,

524
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.199
you have to help somebody. You
can't not help somebody, otherwise you'll

525
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:58.039
never be successful. You know,
every celebrity is always helping. Okay,

526
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:04.239
so here's here's a question. You
know, in one of the things that

527
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.280
you had mentioned prior to being on
the show, talking about knowing your self

528
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:15.800
worth, it's it's fascinating to me
that people really don't know their self worth.

529
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:20.360
And and how do you teach someone
that, you know, when you

530
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.719
when you get into meditation, when
you get into some of these other things,

531
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.920
you know, the whole focus,
the whole statements, the comments are

532
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.880
you know, you are, you
are good, you are love, you

533
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:35.760
are all of these types of things. Well, it's easy to say that,

534
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:40.320
but how do you help someone to
know their self worth where they really

535
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:45.119
believe you know it, in spite
of everything that's going on in my life,

536
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:52.599
I am worthy, I am good, I have a tremendous amount of

537
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:59.360
self worth. Yeah, So,
as you were mentioning, the way you

538
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:04.239
would know how your self worth is
to believe in yourself, to love yourself,

539
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.000
to be proud of who you are. You know, there was also

540
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.199
another I don't know her name,
another celebrity that said, people don't have

541
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:14.719
to like you. People don't have
to love you, They don't have to

542
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.360
respect you. But when you look
in the mirror, you better love what

543
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:22.320
you see. And that means you
need to love yourself above anything before anybody

544
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:27.960
else can love you. Because any
energy that goes on anybody else loving you,

545
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.719
you're only hurting yourself. So that's
why you have to work on trying

546
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:38.519
to find your happiness and things you
do good and above anything from all the

547
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:44.280
things you do in your life,
to find or make what presents the real

548
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.960
you. And then when you do
that, you can love yourself and be

549
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:52.679
proud of yourself, and then success
and other people will follow along with loving

550
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.880
you if you'd be true to who
you are. Fantastic and you know,

551
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:01.000
as we close today, Number one, how can people find your book?

552
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:04.960
Let's let's talk about your book for
just a second. How can people find

553
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:08.559
your book? So that they can
access it and read it. So my

554
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:15.039
book is available on Amazon for anybody
who's interested. And yeah, and if

555
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.679
they want to find out more about
me as Dark Joseph Vien and the things

556
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:22.039
that I do, they can go
to www dot Dark Joseph Ravine dot com

557
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:27.400
or they could look up my name
Dark Joseph Vien and Google. You find

558
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.679
out everything you'd like to know.
And then you know, if people want

559
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:34.480
to audition for my marketing services,
I'm exclusive, you know they can.

560
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.559
They can come to me for that
as well. You know, we offer

561
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.039
a variety of things plus kindness for
success. You know, we have a

562
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:45.239
lot to offer people. Oh fantastic, fantastic. So as we close,

563
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:52.280
in a very short, say one
minute statement, what would be the message

564
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:57.559
you want to share with the audience
today? The biggest message that I would

565
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:05.079
share with this audience is be inspired
by successful people, which include celebrities or

566
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:08.119
people that have gone out to be
very, very very successful. Because when

567
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:13.559
people have gone out to be successful, you know that they have done certain

568
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:17.239
things in their life to reach those
stages their life. And there's not a

569
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:22.280
single successful person that has not failed
before they got to where they got to

570
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:27.559
so be inspired by other people who
are already successful, because that's what's going

571
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:31.320
to motivate you to be successful.
That's what I've been doing all my life.

572
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:37.760
And what is your definition of successful? So I like to watch other

573
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:42.119
celebrities or people that are successful in
like the world and the media with whatever

574
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:47.000
they do, and then they provide
advice or motivation. Learn to love yourself.

575
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:51.800
You don't need certain things in your
life. You can be happy without

576
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.559
certain things. And you know,
if you put let's say, number one

577
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:59.360
in my life is always God first, you have a great life. God

578
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.519
has always number one in my life
personally. So you know, from everything

579
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:07.960
that I've learned from them, from
the celebrities, I've become successful in my

580
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:13.480
own way. Okay. And success
isn't always about money, as you say,

581
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.000
no, no, If you're happy, that's all that matters. Success

582
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:21.239
does not need to be money.
Success can be happiness, you know,

583
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:27.119
and could be you enjoying your life. You know, it could be just

584
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.119
having fun. You know, you
don't have to have fun because life's not

585
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:34.559
all about you. Know. Of
course, you need money to survive.

586
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.840
You know, I have a side
job as well in addition to what I

587
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.320
do but you know, it's not
all about money to me. To me,

588
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:45.679
it's all about enjoying my enjoying the
moment while I'm living and being Amen.

589
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:50.440
Amen to that. And Joseph,
thanks so much for being on the

590
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:54.800
show. I really appreciate it.
You've You've shared some really fascinating concepts and

591
00:44:54.880 --> 00:45:00.400
ideas and motivations and and Folks,
I hope that as you've listen into this

592
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.920
that you've been touched in some way
to realize that you know, number one,

593
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:09.719
yourself worth. Number two that be
kind to people, and number three,

594
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:14.519
understand that if someone is not being
is not being kind to you,

595
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:19.480
realize in most cases it has nothing
to do with you. It has everything

596
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:22.639
to do with what they're experiencing and
try to understand that. So again,

597
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.599
thanks for being on the show.
Folks, thanks for listening. We look

598
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:28.440
forward to having you join us again
soon