Kindness for Success

0:01 This program is designed to provide general information with regards to the subject matters covered. This information is given with the understanding that neither the hosts, guests, sponsors, or station are engaged in rendering any specific and personal medical, financial, legal counseling, professional service, or any advice. You should seek the services of competent professionals before applying or trying any suggested ideas. At the end of the day, it's not about what you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up, who you've made better. It's about what you've given back. Denzel Washington, Welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to do the same. Joseph, Welcome to the show. How you doing. Hi, I've been doing wonderful, So excited to be here. Well, I'm really pleased to have you on the show. And you know, it's a lot of fun to hear the story in the background of people that I interview, And so for the audience Number one, I know you have a couple of names, so i'd love for you to explain that, and then also just kind of talk about what brought you to this point in your life. What were the experiences that you had that brought you to write the book that you've written, and talk a little bit about that. And then also were there any specific moments that said, all right, Joseph, it's time to do this. Yeah. Absolutely.

1:38 So, as you know, I am publicly known as Dark Joseph Ravine. People call me DJR or you can call me Joseph. Any of the two names are accepted. And here's my book, Watch Out. It's Nolan. It's basically very similar to the story of my life and the difficult things I faced as a child to hopefully inspire educators, parents and children to be understanding of each other. And you know, especially when it comes to adults understanding children. I think that's something that's very important these days because sometimes, you know, children could become very nasty and mean, and it could be bullies and abusers, and it all comes from feeling misunderstood or not heard, or not talked or not spoken to and things like that. So I wrote this book on behalf of trying to inspire. Mostly, I would say parents and educators to help them to under be understanding of a child. When you don't know the backstory of where someone comes from, it's important to know that.

2:37 On top of that as well, it's also meant to teach about children learning how to stand up for themselves, for children to learn to be kind to each other, and also for educators to learn how being kind can make a huge difference, especially when it comes to you know, school environments. You know, And I interviewed a fellow a few ways that his whole focus was on education and on the educators, and his whole focus was, Look, it's all about the children. It's all about the children. And so I love what you're talking about with this book, and you know what's interesting to me, and we'll talk about this a little bit more. You know, there are bullies in every dimension of our lives, whether it's elementary school, middle school, high school, college, even the workforce and everywhere bullying is yeah, and a lot of times we focus on the peer group that's doing the bullying. But as you had mentioned, there are sometimes that teachers, bosses, managers, whatever that is, are not aware that they are bullying other people. Now you mentioned what is your story what what motivates you to write the book? What did you experience as a child that now here you are as an adult that ultimately said, you know what I need to write

4:09 about this. I was picked down a lot by students in a school that was very toxic and didn't behave very well. The educators were also very racist and did not know how to properly treat the students, and they were allowing the students to do all kinds of bad things such as bullying. You know, instead of you know, they saw that I wasn't happy, and instead of helping me that, they made the situation worse. And so it wasn't a very understanding environment. And I just want to say very openly, first, I would never blame children, because children are children and they don't know better. But who I do blame is teachers because they're adults and they should know better. If you see a student not happy and crying and kids bullying a student, why would you carry on allowing that and then join in and make it worse. You're an adult, you should know better, you know, even I was told many times in my life. You know, you're an adult. You should know better than to do certain things so well.

5:09 And yeah, let me interrupt you for a minute because you brought an interesting point. You know, you have teachers, and I'm aware of this from one of my friends here, that you actually have teachers that are bullying, actively bullying for whatever reason, who knows. But then you have also adults, whether it's teachers or adults or whatever, that observe the bullying and they don't do anything about it. It's not that they're bullying personally, but they're not doing anything about it. And an effect, by allowing that bullying to occur, they are actually participating in it. Absolutely. And this is something that you know, I was told also as a person, you know, you know, for many people a lot of the times, even though I have a passion to help make our future generation better and to help children, sometimes they tell me, you know, you're an adult, you shouldn't be interacting with children. But so that's kind of where I have to know my boundaries about how much you interact, Like you can't be close friends with a child unless you're friends with their parents, or you know, you can't you know, demand that children you know do stuff for you or or give you stuff or or things like that. So you know, even I've had my moments where, you know, nothing critical, but I've had my moments where I didn't have the best interactions with children as an adult. So I kind of understand them too because they did exactly very similar things I did. You

6:42 know, so sometimes you have to be an experience to know something well. And let me ask you this question, why were you bullyed? What were the elements as you were growing up? Yeah, because there's always there's always different things. I mean, here with my friend and I mentioned this before, it's it's because I'm in Thailand right now. It's a child that is trying to speak English and learning at home, and as he tries that in school, the kids laugh and the teacher says, don't need to know that, and is actually bullying the kid too. So you know, there are different types of things. Or I interviewed someone the other day that you know, they were very short and so forth. There are children that have learning disabilities that totally get bullied. What was your experience why were you bullied in your in your at least based on so for me, it had more to do with religious reasons. It had also more to do with my h that I didn't know how to interact well with people. I didn't know how to express myself well. I didn't learn well. I never had motivation to learn.

7:57 It also had to do with the fact that I was very sensitive and I cried a lot. I also had a toxic environment outside of the school too, So it was not just the school I was toxic, but it was like my whole life in general, and also the feeling like feeling I couldn't speak to anybody because you know, even at the time, my parents didn't understand. I mean today they understand, but back then they didn't. But yeah, you know, I felt very alone in the world once upon a time, and so I didn't behave right. So I want to help people, especially children, you know, who not have that experience of going through feeling like like they don't have anyone they can talk to, or things like that, or you know things. But you know, as I mentioned previously, you've got to know your boundaries. You can never help anybody who does not want the help. You know, if parents don't want you to give them help, then don't give them any help whatsoever. So right now I try to maintain boundaries about how I help children well, and and for a child that's being bullied, because you experienced that, and now as an adult deserving that, what would you say to the child? And and let's say, you have permission. Okay, I get what you're saying, all right, Uh. And quite honestly, as we look at the educational process, the teachers, the counselors within the school, they do have a responsibility to observe what's going on with the child emotionally and then being able to being able to talk to the parents and the student and really talk about what's going

9:31 on there and really be their friend in some respects. But you know, back to the original question, what would you say to a child that's being bullied? What are some of the first steps that they could take if they were emotionally able to do this to minimize that bullying and ultimately to somehow affect a change for me personally. First, I bring their parents. A kid has no authority to do something on their own, so first I bring their parents in, and then I would tell them that you have to understand that if you feel like you're not in the best environment for if you feel like you're being hurt by these kids, and you feel you're not doing anything to trigger this, then maybe this isn't the right environment for you. Maybe you've got to go find another environment where you feel more suited in what's the reason you're getting bullied? You know, you are you doing something that's making people bully you, Are you doing something that's that's causing you to be sad?

10:35 You know, you have to find the backstory of the child and find out what's making them not happy and how we can possibly undo that and how we can possibly make a difference, because you know, when you don't know the backstory, then that's when all hell breaks loose. You know, you got to know where people come from in order to feel the pain and find a resolution, you know, because the backstory always makes it. And that really puts the responsibility to some degree on the on the parents, doesn't it. And and you hope, as you said, your environment wasn't didn't have the ability to do that. And in many cases, you know, we all experience that to some degree. And so you know, I love the fact that there's a message here for parents that if your child is being bullied, number one, what's the home environment, like, are they able to talk to you about that? And if so, then can you get into a discussion without any judgment at all and find out what's happening, why is it happening? You know, there are things that a child can control, as you say, but there are some things that a child cannot control. If they're if they have learning disability, if they happen to be you know short, if they you know, whatever that happens to be. You know, they can't control absolutely. And that's go ahead. Yeah, And that's where

12:07 I kind of say that, you know, when people cannot control certain things, that that's what needs to be understood. But it's not just the child alone. The parents, the teachers, the counselors, everybody as a whole needs to know that as well, because you know, that way they can all work together to help the child too. There was a time I did believe in children trying to resolve things on their own, but then I realized that wasn't a good idea, that wasn't morally right, and that sometimes kids really do need the help of their parents and the teachers and everybody to all know it together, because if you try to teach a child to do something on their own, it may create rebellions it may create fights between parents and you know, a lack of behavior, and you know, I'm not for that. As a person. My job is to make sure parents and children and educators and counselor are all happy. And I'm glad you said that, because you're absolutely right. We cannot expect a child to handle that emotionally.

13:03 There's a reason why they're being bullied, and that reason emotionally, whatever that happens to be, is going to prevent them from being able to really handle that. And then, as you say, it really gets to the parents, it gets to the teachers, it gets to the counselors. So when you were bullied, were you bullied by one particular individual by you know, and then others joined in or was it a general group that always bullied you. What was your experience with that. So I had this one guy that just would never stop bullying me. He just had such a passion to ruin my life and make me stuffer. You know, many people forgot, but I still remember to this day. He even hosted an end of the year party and made sure I was the only one not invited, And unfortunately I invited myself to the party foolishly because at the time, you know, I just didn't feel it was fair. I mean, if I had the intelligence I have today back then, I would not even leave the school and never wi them from day one. But I remember all the bad things he's done, and he never ever apologized for hurting me. But you know, I don't know. I don't know why people are hurt so much in their life where they can they can really do life ruining things to people, Like it's like, how could you root someone's life and not care? Yeah, and you know, and and and the point that you just brought up, why do people bully? What is it in their lives that are causing them to bully other people? And that's what I said, It's because they're hurting their

14:35 own life. They're not understood in their own life. They're sad in their own lives. They feel like they're not being listened to or understood, and so they take that out on people. You know, I know a particular environment of kids that misbehave and and I think it's because I blame the adults of that environment that are not doing a good job dealing with those kids, you know, So you know, the adicts have a role in it. You know, well, they really do. And as you say, you know, the emotional challenges that a bully is experiencing is deep, in all likelihood, maybe even deeper than the emotional challenges of that individual that's being bullied.

15:20 And so as teachers, as parents, you know, there needs to be that focus on the bully also, and not from a negative standpoint, but rather from a standpoint of let's understand what's going on here, how can we help them emotionally, how can we help them to gain a better sense of the goodness of who they are so that they won't bully absolutely, And that's supportant not only for just the kids, but the parents too, because if at least the parents know where they're going wrong too with raising their child, then maybe they can understand that as well, and then they can become even better and then they can build more bonds and connections with their children, and it'll be more like longer lasting and last longer term, you know, because if you think about it, when I see all the kids separating from their parents and basically not wanting anything to do with their parents after they reach a certain age, to me, that's sadness. That makes me very sad.

16:19 To hear about to think that they don't understand each other. That's why they separate it, and that's why they're not together anymore. And you know, I always think that nobody loves you like your family, and you have to do your very best to compromise and you know, understand each other if you want the relationship to last, even above and beyond. You know, well, that's true. And I know and one of the things you talked about, and I actually wrote this down because I like the terminology that you use kindness for success. Let's let's go to the opposite side of this discussion and rather than you know, really focusing on the bullying and all of that for a minute, let's talk about how kindness can bring an individual success not only in their business, but more importantly in their lives. Absolutely, because if you think about it, it's a strategic process. When somebody comes into your like let's say in a business in general, or it comes to meet you in general, and you're nice to them and you help them and you give them what they want and you provide value to them and you make a difference, then that person says, oh wow, this is amazing. I love this person. I'm going to recommend him to more people. Oh, I love this business. I'm gonna I had such a great experience. I'm going to recommend them to more. So when you're nice to people, that's how more people are generated. If you're mean to people, they say, oh, I'm never coming back here again. Guys, stay away from him.

17:48 He's not a good not a good person, or not a good place, and then that's when the business starts to deteriorate, you know. So that's how kindness leads to success in a way of a formula. It's all a method. You know, one guy's personally to another and to another and to another, and then that's how you continue to be successful by being good to people well and talking about individuals who are challenged in life. That kindness can be a big thing. Share some stories that you've experienced where your kindness you have observed. And you know, so many times we never know the end result of something that we do. It's very rare that someone will come back and say, Hey, that smile that you gave me made all the difference in my life. We just don't hear that often. But do you have any stories where you were able to observe by your kindness a difference that was made in someone's life that you came across. Absolutely, I've had many instances where, you know, I've helped somebody with their own life how to deal with situations and how to you know, help them with other things like you know, there's been times that I've helped teenagers understand their rights and know how to not let people get to them and things like that, and you know, and they told me, You've made a big difference in our lives by saying what you were saying. But unfortunately it created public outrage with the

19:21 parents because of you know, sometimes parents don't agree with some of the things that are there. So that's kind of where I come from when I mean, you should, no matter when you're dealing with any miners or any children, always get parents involved to make sure they're all happy. Otherwise, you know, even if you do something good for a child, or you try to help a child or try to make some child happy, you know, if the parent's not happy, then you've just done something bad and something wrong. So now it's my intention for this new year as of twenty twenty four, to make sure that I make sure the parents and the children are both happy, you know that great n And as we get into the adults, because you know what's interesting, at what point time in your life because you were bullied and I'm sure that caused all sorts of issues for you. At what point time in your life did you overcome the effects of bullying if you have, and how were you able to do that consciously? Well, the truth is since I started my career of becoming famous and known in the public eye, and then once I started building my following on social media and I started growing, and I figured out strategy secrets from celebrities, how to go viral, and how to do things, and now I could do that for anybody else. So I'm basically not only do I have my book and my TV show and influencer, but I basically manage my own marketing and my own

20:51 self and that I don't have to depend on anybody else. That's when I really found happiness in my life. And you know, I think that when you find happiness, that's most powerful thing that anybody can because money success never can buy happiness. Happiness is something you have to decide, you know. So that's how I overcame about and as you say you you did it. You took the responsibility to say, you know what I need. I need to overcome this. I need to do what I need to do to be successful, to be happy, to not feel like I can be bullied anymore. And so that's what you did. That's what you did. And how many followers do you have? We're about to hit one point one million on Instagram and then YouTube is I think it's a little over eighty thousand. Twitter's over one hundred thousand, and Facebook is almost two hundred thousand, and then TikTok is sixty thousand. Wow. That that is amazing. And you did marketing. You did that on your own. Yep. I'm a marketing fanatic.

21:57 So I can do this not only for myself, for anybody else. But keep in mind eye that with my agency, I don't work with just anyone. When I market them, I have to trust them first. I have to like what they do. I have to be interested. You know, money doesn't buy me working with you. I have to genuinely like what you do. And you know, it has to be something that is good because when you bring yourself out to the public, you're bringing yourself out to haters or mean people, and you need thick skin for things like that. So I have to make sure I'm careful with who I work with too, otherwise it looks bad on me. Well, and you know it's interesting. I mean, here we are talking a little bit about business and marketing and so forth, But when you think about the fact that what you went through, you could have chosen to ultimately be a victim, and you could still be experiencing that victim mentality in your life. And you know you, I'm sure you know, and I definitely know people or just live their lives as a victim. But what you did, your experience caused you and you personally made the decision that rather than to be a victim, you were going to be empowered and use those experiences to not only help yourself, but to help others. And you know in two ways that you're doing that writing the book, which I think is amazing that you know it's going to help people if they'll read it to understand and get some ideas and at least cause them to start to rethink their own lives as parents, as teachers, whatever that is.

23:32 But even even in business, you know where you're where you're helping someone through your marketing to be successful in their business that can make such a difference in their lives, for their family, for their loved ones, all of those types of things. Yeah, having a huge following definitely does make a difference and does help a lot of people. The only you know, the only downside is you know there's mean people writing nasty things and hey and everything, and you really need thick skin to handle such a thing, you know. For me, I have very thick skin because I found happiness in my life. So no matter how much hate somebody writes to me, I'll never be impacted by it ever, because I always I've accomplished and I don't care what anybody has to say about me. Well, you know, it's interesting because I see that a lot as I'm reading the news and other things, and where people are, you know, doing their podcasts, they're doing their Instagram, they're doing all of those things, and all of a sudden they're getting this hate comment. And it's like, what on earth is motivating someone to write that type of comment to another individual. It doesn't make sense, No, it doesn't. But as Kylie Jenner once that when people write negative things on social media. It comes from a place of them having their own issues. It has nothing to do with you. And as my mother told

25:03 taught me, hurt people hurt people. That means people that are hurt in their lives want to hurt other people. Well and and I think that becomes the key. And and and I love that you said that because I think that you know, as we as we were being bullied. I remember experienced with one of my with one of my children where they were being bullied and by an adult, and and I did my best to help them to understand that it has nothing to do with you. It has everything to do with them and what they're experiencing, and for whatever reason, they have to take it out on you. And I think that's something really important for people to understand, particularly the children, the teenagers, even the adults when you're being bold, all ages need to understand because in that way, that's how they're going to learn and become better and they're going to rise up up. You know, you just have to know, you know, even for me, you know, with my book and everything I try to help people and inspire people. You can't change people, you know, people can. I can only preach what I believe in and what I've experienced, and you know, do what I would do in certain situations. But you know, I can't change people. You know, they have to decide if they want to accept the information or not well, and that's the key, and I love that you said that too. Just the fact that as you're writing a book and as someone's reading it, you know, there are people that are reading it and going to shut it, and you know they're not even going to understand

26:34 what you really are doing. Other people will read it, and the goal, hopefully is to motivate them to look at their own lives and then become curious enough that they start to do a little bit more research and you know, introspective work and those type of things to where they can improve themselves because your book said something that motivated them absolutely, and that's the whole point to learn, you know, And because as you if you actually read towards the end of my book, there's a little synopsis that says bullying is never okay and so and I write at the very end of it, in this story, Nolan has a helper. In life. Children do not have helpers.

27:21 That is why it is important to bring bull into awareness to ensure that is no longer part of a community, country, or world. Bullying is never okay, and that means not only in schools but everywhere. So how do we pronote how do we promote kindness? What are your thoughts about what do we do as individuals to really promote kindness? Because it's one thing to be kind, you know, and hopefully that's going to pass on, but it's another thing to be able to actually actively promote kindness that will influence others to also be kind and maybe even beyond that, promote kindness themselves. I'm glad you're bringing that up because one specific strategy I learned from celebrities was learned to be a helper and a hero, you know. Tou Ziorman once said, in business, it's all about helping people first, not money, you know, and I say the same thing with kindness. Always think about how can you help somebody make someone's life better, you know, make somebody rise above all the negativity, take somebody out of their negative stage and put them in a positive work. You know. Because there's so many celebrities who're all about helping people, and that's kind of how I motivate myself to be the same way. All about helping people. But you know, of course it has to be balanced. You can't help people who don't want it. You've got to help people who do want it, you know well. And in business, I mean, if you're helping if you're helping businesses to become much more productive, you know, bottom line financially is improving, how do they help

29:00 Well, I'm glad you're bringing that up, because the truth is is when you sell an item or a service of any kind, you have to think, how can this item change somebody's life for the better? You know, it's not just about selling items or buying stuff. It's about actually providing worthwhile value to somebody. So for example, with my marketing, you know, I would say I would look at somebody and I would say, how can I turn this person into a superstar? How can I make them stand out? How can I make them look so good in front of people that it'll lead to opportunities that will lead to more people coming to them, that it'll you know, So to me, you know, it's more about helping people as much as you can. Like for example, you know, when you even sell an item, if you sell a kind of food or juice that's made to help people be healthier. Now you're being a hero for that.

29:51 You know, you could sell items like I have a store called in Kindness for Success, where we sell items that have the Kindness for Success logo. They're not any that deals with helping people, but there are items that are made for people to remember to be kind and to promote the kindness message around the world based on the items that they buy. So I wouldn't say that there's any special life changing effect on what I offer, but you know, I'm not too ever, how to fully always change five That's kind of how I look at it. Yeah, you know what comes to my mind, and it is a story that I experienced personally. My dad passed away in twenty ten, and he was a He was a voice teacher in you know, very good nationally known opera voice teacher, classical voice teacher. And when he passed away, the university he decided to have a memorial service for him, even though he had been gone you know me and retired for years.

30:52 And as I attended that memorial service, and they brought in the singers, they brought in people who are just telling stories about my dad and so forth. I walked out of there, and for me, this was the point in my life that changed my direction and gave me the real purpose and helped me to understand what my purpose could be. But as I walked out, yeah, I'm glad. Yeah, let me finish on this. So I walked out, and I'm going, here's what I heard. And I was telling my brothers and my sister this. I'm not sure they understood what I was trying to say, but here's what I heard. Norman is my dad.

31:36 Yes, he was a great voice teacher, and he was, like I said, nationally not But then they said, but more importantly, he gave us the will to win, to love, and to be successful, in other words, through his teaching, because of who he was and his communication with his students. You know. Yeah, his job was to teach them how to sing, and they did, but he gave them the ability to learn to be successful, to do this, to give them the power to do that and empower them. And that had nothing to do with his job. It had everything to do with who he was and how he dealt with those around him. And I think it's interesting in business so often, you know, I have some colleagues that they tell me that in their business, what they really look for is what are their employees' purposes, what are their goals, what are they trying to accomplish in their life? And as they focus on that and help them, they have greater and higher productivity.

32:45 So anyway, make the comments that you wanted to make, I didn't mean to interruct. So what I wanted to say was I'm glad you're bringing up singing and entertainment, because you know how singing helps people. When you sing a song for people, you make them enjoy, so you're helping them that way. When you entertain people and you make them laugh, you're helping them that way as well. So that's also a version of heroic helping. If you want my honest opinion on that, well, it absolutely is. And as you say, not only from an individual standpoint of if you have that ability to sing and that eras Now can I sing classically now that I used to sing a little bit, Yeah, but you know at this point in time, I can't. But every time I get on and listen to classical music and classical voices, it engenders something in me that brings about such a sense of happiness, of peace, of love, And I think for people it's really important to understand that as you're experiencing some downtime terms in your life, oftentimes being able to listen to music as you say, or you know, to go to a funny movie or whatever that happens to be can bring about and increase that level of emotion to where you go from anger or upset in us to joy and happiness. And even if it's just for and if it's just a moment, do that enough times, and all of a sudden,

34:17 moments become more and more one hundred percent. And that's exactly what life is all about. Even Kim Kardashian once said, if you find true happiness, that's all that matters. You don't need money, you don't need success, you don't need revenge, you don't need anything in this life. As long as you're happy, that's all that matters. Well, And you talk a lot about celebrities, and you know that can be somewhat of an interesting discussion because you see a lot of celebrities that are really doing good, though most of the time you don't know what they're doing. All right, Obviously you seem to know, but you have celebrities also that are not necessarily doing good. They're saying things, they're being unkind, they're doing things. Oh yeah, No, there's a lot of them that you know what happens.

35:10 And I actually because I deal with them, Like I wouldn't say like one hundred percent dealing, but I do partially deal with them. Like if you look at Britney Spears, for example, when she was mean to her fans and everything, when she mentioned in her court audio that she's been forced to go on tour against her will and forced to do things against her will and meet people against her will and be medicated because she did so many things against her will, that's why she was frustrated and she just took it out on her fans and things like that. And so that's when I try to tell people. And sometimes when people are mean, even celebrities, it's not personal. Sometimes people really go through really horrible things, and a celebrity life is not the easiest life, especially when you get a record deal or sports deal.

35:53 You're going to be work to your bone and you're going to have to do things against your will otherwise you get thrown up out, you know, So you know, it's very very set. The good thing about me though, is at least I own my own marketing and I do my own investing in marketing, so I never have to worry about record labels or things like that. I could do everything all on my own, no problems, so I don't have like contracts or things that I need to follow. But you know, it's a very hard life to be famous because you really have to work for the people who you're doing. You're making money for, like I don't know six hundred seven hundred people, which is the manager of security, the companies people you make money for. Everybody you know, the only keep a percentageself as a celebrity. Well, and you know what happens is as you bring that up again, I think it re emphasizes the point that you brought up earlier that oftentimes when you see things going on that you interpret as being unkind or it actually is unkind whatever, it has nothing to do with you. But it helps to understand that that ended up visual is expressing themselves out of frustration, out of whatever that happens to be. We don't understand what they're going through and how important it is to try to do that.

37:13 Here's the interesting thing, though, how many times does an individual look at their own life and you know, I've experienced this just recently here here in Thailand. It just frustrates me not to be able to understand people. And sometimes you know, though, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, great, this is how it's going to go, and all of a sudden it doesn't happen, and I recognize that, all right, they say yes, yes because they don't understand, and I'm thinking that they understand and they're saying yes, and so then I get really frustrated. And there's been a couple of times it's like wow, you know, and I'm experiencing frustration. I'm experiencing some anger here internally why? And I think that it's important for people to understand and be aware that when they are starting to experience that, and they can observe that in their own lives, that they need to start looking at introspectively, what's going on in my life and what do I need to change, what do I need to understand? How do I seek that level of understanding so that I don't personally experience that, Because when you personally experience that frustration, that anger, and so forth. They can cause all sorts of illnesses and other things. Absolutely, and I wanted to say to you that, you know, at one point, there was a time my thoughts celebrities were narcissistic and mean and egotistical and bad people.

38:40 But once I really start to goet like to investigate about them in their lives and the difficult things they've been through on top of you know, being abused by their management and everything, I started having compassion. Britney Spears is a perfect example. I thought, you know, because she was successful, you know, that's why I was getting to a head. But then I realized because she was in a conservatorship and she really was getting abused by her management, and you know, she was just making money for so many people, and she was just you know, getting taken advantage of so much, and it just it was so sad for her. Now I have a lot of empathy for her, and I feel so will and I think, you know, at the end of the day, I was going to say that, at the end of the day, you know, celebrities, one thing you should know. You know, they are very big givers. They make money for so many people, They give to companies they gift to people, they give to their fans, they give so many things. They give. They're big givers. And that's why to them, why they're successful, it is because they're heroes. And that's what I try to teach people about learning.

39:45 You have to learn to be a hero and help people. Whatever you do, you have to help somebody. You can't not help somebody, otherwise you'll never be successful. You know, every celebrity is always helping. Okay, so here's here's a question. You know, in one of the things that you had mentioned prior to being on the show, talking about knowing your self worth, it's it's fascinating to me that people really don't know their self worth. And and how do you teach someone that, you know, when you when you get into meditation, when you get into some of these other things, you know, the whole focus, the whole statements, the comments are you know, you are, you are good, you are love, you are all of these types of things. Well, it's easy to say that, but how do you help someone to know their self worth where they really believe you know it, in spite of everything that's going on in my life, I am worthy, I am good, I have a tremendous amount of self worth. Yeah, So, as you were mentioning, the way you would know how your self worth is to believe in yourself, to love yourself, to be proud of who you are. You know, there was also another I don't know her name, another celebrity that said, people don't have to like you. People don't have to love you, They don't have to respect you. But when you look in the mirror, you better love what

41:17 you see. And that means you need to love yourself above anything before anybody else can love you. Because any energy that goes on anybody else loving you, you're only hurting yourself. So that's why you have to work on trying to find your happiness and things you do good and above anything from all the things you do in your life, to find or make what presents the real you. And then when you do that, you can love yourself and be proud of yourself, and then success and other people will follow along with loving you if you'd be true to who you are. Fantastic and you know, as we close today, Number one, how can people find your book?

42:01 Let's let's talk about your book for just a second. How can people find your book? So that they can access it and read it. So my book is available on Amazon for anybody who's interested. And yeah, and if they want to find out more about me as Dark Joseph Vien and the things that I do, they can go to www dot Dark Joseph Ravine dot com or they could look up my name Dark Joseph Vien and Google. You find out everything you'd like to know. And then you know, if people want to audition for my marketing services, I'm exclusive, you know they can. They can come to me for that as well. You know, we offer a variety of things plus kindness for success. You know, we have a lot to offer people. Oh fantastic, fantastic. So as we close, in a very short, say one minute statement, what would be the message you want to share with the audience today? The biggest message that I would share with this audience is be inspired by successful people, which include celebrities or people that have gone out to be very, very very successful. Because when people have gone out to be successful, you know that they have done certain things in their life to reach those stages their life. And there's not a single successful person that has not failed before they got to where they got to so be inspired by other people who are already successful, because that's what's going to motivate you to be successful. That's what I've been doing all my life.

43:31 And what is your definition of successful? So I like to watch other celebrities or people that are successful in like the world and the media with whatever they do, and then they provide advice or motivation. Learn to love yourself. You don't need certain things in your life. You can be happy without certain things. And you know, if you put let's say, number one in my life is always God first, you have a great life. God has always number one in my life personally. So you know, from everything that I've learned from them, from the celebrities, I've become successful in my own way. Okay. And success isn't always about money, as you say, no, no, If you're happy, that's all that matters. Success does not need to be money. Success can be happiness, you know, and could be you enjoying your life. You know, it could be just having fun. You know, you don't have to have fun because life's not all about you. Know. Of course, you need money to survive.

44:34 You know, I have a side job as well in addition to what I do but you know, it's not all about money to me. To me, it's all about enjoying my enjoying the moment while I'm living and being Amen. Amen to that. And Joseph, thanks so much for being on the show. I really appreciate it. You've You've shared some really fascinating concepts and ideas and motivations and and Folks, I hope that as you've listen into this that you've been touched in some way to realize that you know, number one, yourself worth. Number two that be kind to people, and number three, understand that if someone is not being is not being kind to you, realize in most cases it has nothing to do with you. It has everything to do with what they're experiencing and try to understand that. So again, thanks for being on the show. Folks, thanks for listening. We look forward to having you join us again soon