Dec. 1, 2025

A Soul’s Quest: Finding Meaning Beyond the Roles We Play

A Soul’s Quest: Finding Meaning Beyond the Roles We Play
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Omar and Jessie join Dr. Doug to share their journey from burnout and identity loss to awakening and purpose. Through their podcast A Soul’s Quest and their book A Soul’s Quest: A Transformational Approach to Life, they guide others using their PEP model—Perspective, Experience, Philosophy. This powerful episode invites listeners to explore the question “Who am I?” and begin their own soul’s quest for meaning and authenticity.

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At the end of the day, it's not about what

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you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what

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you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,

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who you've made better. It's about what you've given back.

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Thanzel Washington, Welcome to inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to.

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Do the same.

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Omer Jesse, how are you doing fantastic?

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Ler doing excellent. Thank you so much for having us,

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doctor Doug.

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Rt to have you on the podcast. And obviously you

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have your own podcast.

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Yes, we do the ASQ podcast.

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Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna have to listen to that one. Yeah, definitely,

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I think we talk about a lot of similar.

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Things we do.

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Definitely, definitely.

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So what I'd love for you to do is I

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really would love for you to kind of share how

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you got to this point because it's always so fascinating.

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I know you've had other careers and all of that

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type of stuff, and what what happened in your life

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you bring you to the point where you're doing what

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you're doing now.

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Absolutely, you want to take that over first.

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I know, I think you should take it on first.

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This is sort of his baby.

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So about four years ago, after a career youth development

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and management, middle management, I kind of like hit a

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point in which the organization that I was with, our

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values no longer aligned, you know, that were going through

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a change in which I felt that the heart of

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the organization was going away and it was being changed

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by this methodical way of thinking and this way of

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not really living from it within. It was more process

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and outcomes and things of that nature, which although those

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things are important, they were taken away from the real

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job and the mission of what we were doing in

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my opinion, and it was a it was a tough

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break breakup. It's one of the soul crushing things because

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you dedicate your early stage in life to find that

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thing that career that's going to define your your life,

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and when that dissolution comes, it takes you to for

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for a whirlwind because your identity is no longer tied

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to what you are doing. So for me, it was

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soul shaking. Yeah, it was devastating, and that led to

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a source quest and a source quest. The premise behind it,

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it goes right into what you talked about. It's a

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combination of ideas from psychology, philosophy, heavily influenced by mythology,

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in particularly the hero's journey, because we come to a

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point in which we're departing from what we're accustomed to do,

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going into something that is new, and that is super scary,

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very threatening because it goes at the foundation of identity

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and when you lose that or will you perceive that

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you lose that identity, two things happen. One do you

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either withdraw into depression or darkness because it is so

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much easier to identify with the pain, or two you

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go out there in the world then go into a

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quest to redefine who you are and find out what

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you're going to do in the hero now, So that

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was the foundation of what we started with a source

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quest that idea that life doesn't stop life. It's a

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series of transitions, a series of crisises that we face

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when we're not aware that everything in the universe is

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a cycle beginning an end. So that, in a nutshell,

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is what the catalyst to creating a solid quest.

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Well and Jesse, how do you fit into this whole thing?

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Actually my story is a little bit funnier than his.

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I don't want to take away from his experience because

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it was It was a lot for him at that time,

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but for me it was I like to tell people

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that I was very much living in the matrix. I

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was normal for all intents and purposes. I was an

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empty nester at this point. You know, kids are grown now.

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I was working in higher education at that time. I

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was probably there about eleven or twelve years.

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I saw myself in like a capacity as a as

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an instructor, a faculty member, you know. I I just

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had my whole life planned out for me. I'm going

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to retire when i'm you know, sixty two or whatever

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the age is, and just going to enjoy retirement. I'm

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doing great. I, you know, worked hard on my education.

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I earned a terminal degree, you know, when I became

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a doctor, I was like, oh my gosh, I've I'm

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I'm a doctor. And unfortunately, it wasn't the same experience

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that people think that they're going to have.

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You know, you go through being a really good.

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Employee, being loyal, dedicated, doing everything right for family, meeting

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all the expectations, being a good wife, a good you know, mother,

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a good all these things. So I was very much

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living that role, and I started to see little glimpses

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of like doors closing on me. And so even after

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achieving these high achievements, right, I mean, you're getting a doctorate,

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you're you're working in higher education, you're just you're you're

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feeling like you're successful, your kids doing fantastic, you know,

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I felt a little bit of an empty nest, like

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not empty nest, empty miss so yeah, an empty nest.

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So what happened for me is Omar was going through

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his thing and we're doing this thing at the same time,

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and out of nowhere, he's like, I'm going to start

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a podcast and you're going to be the host. And

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I was like, wait, what time out? I know, I

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don't like to be on camera. I don't want to

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be on a camera. I don't want to do this.

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At first, I thought it was just going to be audio.

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I'm like, oh okay, and he's like, no, it's video too,

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and I'm like, oh god. And so we started this

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whole thing and I still wasn't one hundred percent in.

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I had one foot in, one foot out, because I

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was for all intents.

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And purposes, is fine.

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And so just recently, literally just recently, I had a

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lot of negative experiences with toxic work environments and a

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lot of toxicity from you know, people that I worked

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with or for, and it was really starting this.

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Little these little holes were starting to get bigger and bigger,

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and it.

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Was like coming literally like coming out of the matrix

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the same way that Neo comes out of it is

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the same way that I felt. I felt vulnerable and

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I was just questioning everything in my life. And it

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was disheartening and it was sad, and it was a

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very traumatic experience for me because you have to go

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it alone, you know. And I had support, right, I

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had support from Omar because he had already gone through

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this process or was going through it. But you can't

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that experience. You have to do it alone. That call

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to the adventure is a solo journey. It's very lonely,

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and so that's basically what happened for me. I mean,

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I'm saying it very lightly, but basically, I now understand

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what a soul's quest is about. And I am one

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hundred percent committed to helping other people guide other people

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through this experience because it is an experience.

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It's a beautiful experience, you know.

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Well you know, and what's interesting And as you were

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talking about your story, it reminds me of my daughter's story,

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only a little bit different. She was getting a degree

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in sociology and she was doing so well that they

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were fast tracking her to her doctorate, and so she

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went through that. I think it was three years undergrad

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then she was moving into the graduate was getting her

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master's degree, and all of a sudden, she called me

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up one day and she said, Dad, I'm not sure I.

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Want to go get my doctorate.

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And I'm going, well, why not, sweetie, because you know

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I went to yours. I went so many years to

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get my doctor's degree. And she said, because as I'm

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now observing, because you're really close to the people and

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they were good to her is but I'm observing what

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they're going through and what they have to do on a.

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Daily basis, and that's not me.

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And you know, because of my past experiences and so forth,

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we've done all these personality profiling and behavioral analyzes and

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so forth.

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And she's very much left her and right.

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Brain, so she's very strong, well, but she's very much

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right brain and loves to be with people and so forth.

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And she said, Dad, they have no time for anybody.

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They're so busy at a doctor level, trying to do

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this and trying to do that. And so ultimately, bless her,

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she made the decision to stop at her you know,

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her message degree and then went off and got a

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job that she's loving right now that has nothing to

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do with her degree, although they have prepared.

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Her for it.

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But you know, it's interesting how people. It's interesting how

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people move forward in their lives and try to achieve

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certain things because in some respects they're told that this

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is what is good for us.

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Too, exactly.

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And did you kind of feel that way as you

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were going towards your doctorate, that this was just absolutely

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that you needed to do in order to Oh, yeah.

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Able, yes, I feel like I'm so glad I do

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ask that question. That's a great question, because what happens

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with us is that we're so conditioned and it's almost

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like we've received this to do list, this checklist of

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things that you need to do in order to be

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an accomplished individual, right in order to have arrived.

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And we all know that we never arrive. Right.

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That in and of itself is a contradiction, because you

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just don't arrive. You're always transitioning, you're always doing, You're

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always going through what.

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I like to call a metamorphosis. Right.

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And so for me, yeah, I was like, I'm working

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in higher education. Clearly I need to get a master's degree.

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And then when I got my master's degree, I was like, no,

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I'm not going to go out, you know, I'm not

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going to do this. But then I was like, but

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I want to be like all these other people that

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have PhDs, and I'm passionate about leadership and toxic work environments.

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I could write my dissertation on this. This is great,

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and then I will have arrived and they'll see me

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and they'll give me a raise and a promotion and

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they're gonna just love me an a dormy and I'm

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just gonna be.

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Everything's gonna be perfect. That didn't happen. That didn't happen

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at all.

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Yeah, it's so interesting.

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I came from My dad actually taught Northwestern University there

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in Chicago, Okay, and he was a passical voice teacher.

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So but anyway, you know, I have four brothers. There's

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five boys in the family and one one girl. She's

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the youngest. And it was interesting because my dad basically

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said to us, all you will get a higher degree,

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and you're gonna pay for yourselves because I'm not paying.

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For it, which is what happened.

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So, yeah, I've got a brother that got got his

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message of great at Harvard, and I've got two brothers

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that are attorneys and one one brother decided not to

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go to college. And my dad was so unhappy with that.

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And as I talked to my brother, Now, of course

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my dad's passed away, but as I talked to my brother,

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he really received some very unfortunate comments from dad during

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that time.

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Now, guess who's the one in the family that owns

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the jet?

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And yeah, you So it's interesting how we can be

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so programmed, you know, as you shared to achieve whatever

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this happens to be in our lives rather than as

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Soul quest, I love I love that that terminology. So

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as as you started to go through that process, what

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what were some of the challenges you faced, What were

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some of the steps you realized you had to take

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in order to number want to overcome that loss, overcome

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the fear of I don't know what's going to happen next,

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and then transition, as you say, with that journey to

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reach a point where you're back on target, but now

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you're doing something that you really love to do and

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are making a difference.

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something on on what you both talked about, that that

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need to belong right and society is is a structure

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that is it's it's problematic, not because it's evil, but

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because it is it is something that needs to function right.

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But what happens a lot of the time is that

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we live our lives as it is meant to maintain society,

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rather than society working for us. You know, you mentioned

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a lot of the personality tests. Those personality tests. When

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you do anythingle Myers, brigs uh Pi Index, anything of

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those things, it will tell you that not everyone fits

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you know, as a doctor, as an engineer, as this.

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There's artists, there's there's there's I'm an I n F

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P and the Meyers brigs. So I got flowers all

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over the place and a lot being alone. So society

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looks for certain types of people to perform the functions

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of maintaining this as the problem lies that that's only

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a certain percentage of the population. What about the rest.

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So in the education system, which I spent some times

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working on, you call them the bottom twenty five percent,

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So we don't pay as much attention to them. Like

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your brother, you know, those were skills and sets that

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needed to be nurtured for young people to be able

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to find and create things that will enhance society, rather

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I take it away from it. So we get too

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cut up in the idea. And I think politicians and

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our leaders need to expand their consciousness about the function

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of society, which is to serve us rather than for

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us to serve them or it. And that's kind of

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like the problem that most people in our lives not

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like if you could tell them the philosophical in the house.

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She's the practical woman, right, She's the one that's practical right.

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But one of the things that happened when you really

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come to that point of confronting that dissolution of identity right,

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which is what we call it, is that you have

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to face it. And one of the things that you

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really truly have to ask is if I am not that,

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If I am not the functions that I play in society,

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if I am not the roles of a father or

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brother or sister. Those things are all important, but professional

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they are very important. But when those things go away,

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when the family begins to go on their own way,

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when our parents begin to pass away, when a dissolution

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of that, then the question is an existential question, am

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I really right? It goes to that particular point that

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then that we have to go ahead and figure out

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what that looks like. And that is painful. It's not

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for the faint of heart. But I always use the

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analogy if you look at any any person that has

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made an impact, a very important consciousness expanding impact in

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our inner world, Buddha Jesus Muhammad moses those people had

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to spend a lot of time in solitude right forty nights,

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and then how to go within right to be able

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to identify with something more universal. That way that you

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that universality of what that is helps you transcend those things.

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And that is the core of what most people don't

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want to look into that abyss. It's like Callium talks

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about if you go don't run away from your shadow,

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face it, because once you face it, you start seeing

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the light that actually comes from it. And that's the idea.

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But it's painful. I cried a lot. You know you

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your question is like, am I a loser? You know?

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What?

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What am I doing? Is this? Whatever? You know? You

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you save money and then you lose money because you're

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not sure exactly where are you going to do? And

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you're thinking and you're waiting so and then you know

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you you have society's noise in the back constantly. You're

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not you're being irresponsible. You're not doing what you're supposed

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to do. You should be producing, you should be busy

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all the time, you should be doing this and that.

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So you have all that noise constantly berating you. You

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know that, waking up at three o'clock in the morning

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just because your brain won't stop. You know, So all

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those things is what you're feeling. And the idea is

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to be able to walk with that, with that that

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pain a little bit and ask that question constantly insight

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of this, who am I?

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And you know it's interesting for you. For both of you,

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it had to do with your professions.

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And you know, I think for a lot of people

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they may not be able to identify with that.

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But the reality is is that we all go through

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different experiences in our lives.

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And I remember a number of years ago I went

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through some tough experiences and ultimately it took me getting

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into a process of meditation and understanding that and studying

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with the top meditation teacher and all of a sudden realizing,

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you know what, this is what I need to do.

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This is what I really choose to do, and that process,

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as you say, can be very difficult. But I think

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for people to understand that, and I'd love for you

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to share because I.

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Know you work with a lot of people.

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As you think about it, if it's just not work

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that's causing the stress, but it's life events. How do

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people number one finally come to realize that, hey, this

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is what I'm going through and how do they get

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to the point where they actually will take the desire,

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the courage and the awareness to start that transformational journey

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would have been your experiences with that.

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So I want to answer that really quick.

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From my perspective, Yes, a lot of the things that

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I experience are what turned me to my quest. Was

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a lot to do with professions and how I was

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treated and how I was overlooked and door with closing.

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But I also had a lot of ordinary life, you know,

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experiences too. And one thing that stands out for me

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is and Omar is the one he's you know, he's

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my philosophical personal teacher. Here is I was really feeling like,

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oh my god, you know, I'm I'm an empty.

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Nester and I love it. I don't.

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I'm good with not having kids at home. I'm glad

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that they're doing their own things and they're off, you know,

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they're there.

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I have a granddaughter.

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She's amazing, she's beautiful, and you know, I keep in

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touch with him and we talk and whatnot. But I'm

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no longer serving the purpose or the role that I was.

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I'm not a mother the way I'm not needed the

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way that I was needed before, right, And that was

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hard for me because and I didn't realize it was

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hard for me until I started realizing, oh my gosh,

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he's doing like all his own things. He's going on

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vacations and he's having these little get togethers and I'm

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not invited or you know, they're going out for dinners

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and I'm getting pictures, and I was really feeling like

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left out, you know, and I was like crying and upset.

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Like he doesn't need me. What's going on? Is he

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upset with me?

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Like a lot of really crazy questions came up for

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me in terms of what my role was now because

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I didn't serve in the same capacity anymore. And one

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of the things that Omar said to me that helped

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me and pushed me towards, and this is that awareness

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part that you mentioned, was that our children are not

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They don't come they don't come from us.

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They go through us. Right.

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So we birth them and we guide them and we

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give them the tools and the resources to become independent individuals, right,

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and then they go off and they formulate their own life,

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they create their own family or whatever that looks like.

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So for me, that was an awareness moment, and it

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wasn't easy to accept that because you always want to

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be needed, right, but you also know that again we're

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going through this hero's journey.

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It's a transition. And this has ended for me.

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I've done.

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My role is complete when it comes to being a mother.

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I'm still a mom, but I'm just a mom in

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a different capacity. And that was really really difficult for me,

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really difficult.

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I have the fortune of always working with people, and

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that's been one of the things that as a young

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person deciding a career I kind of like came across that.

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So I do a lot of work right now with

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with males and also with uh male survivors of sexual

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abuse and and and people that have unfortunately have survived

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that that that interaction and in my interactions with men

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in particular, there's a dissolution of roles. They don't you know.

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It's a really challenging time right now for men to

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define what what does it mean to be a man

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in a in a in a place in which brute

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force no longer is required, right, in which those things

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of taming nature no longer required.

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Right.

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And so the despair and the loneliness that men feel

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because we are so condition and not to express what's

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going on inside us because it shows like it's a

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sign of weakness or something of that nature. So I

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the work that I do with Man, I see that consistently,

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the questioning of I'm feeling this, but if I say it,

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I'm going to be ridiculed, you know, if I if

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I open up about Man, I'm frustrated because I can't

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figure out how to interact with my kid, you know. Man,

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I'm frou frustrated because I don't want to get divorced,

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but I have to go through a divorce. Man, I'm

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frustrated because at work, I have supervisors that I write

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in my back you know, even though I'm doing what

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I'm supposed to do. And then also all these other

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things that men haven't been able to confront because our

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society hasn't allowed it. So my advice to them is

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always goes back to the first question. And every time

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I do a presentation and every time I do some

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kind of talk, I always ask that question, who am I?

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Because again, fund foundationally, we have to be able to

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be confident and comfortable exploring that question, to define it

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in our own terms. Because then from that point of view,

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once you discover what that looks like, it's like an epiphany.

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Oh okay, you know, now you could ride your actions.

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Now you could align your desires and the things that

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you want to base on that answer. So that is

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what I see when it comes to the people that

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I work with. We live in a society that is

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super technologically advanced. Right, we produce food at a hire

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a place that any other time in history. The places

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that we live are just the basic stuff. Right. You

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could go into your shower to have a warm shower.

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Yet with all those advances, why are we going to

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an epidemic of mental health?

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Why?

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And it's fascinating now how society has brought us to

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that point. And we see such anger that this is

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existing now, and you know, and and it's such a shame.

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And what I want to find out from you guys, is,

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you know, always reading a little bit about you use

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a blend of psycho spiritual insight, which I'd love for

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you to define practical tools and grounded conversation as you

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work with people to help them, And I'd love for

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the audience to kind of understand a little bit more

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in depth what you do, how you use those processes,

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and how it's affective for people.

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Yeah, So the term psycho spiritual is a combination of

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obviously some psychology and spirituality. So psychology, I love the

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archetypes framework the young developed right because he shows different

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aspects of what he means to be us. Right, there

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is a dual nature within us and we we we

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always we are paradox of conflicting impulses, conflicting thoughts, conflicting desires.

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So this psychology, particularly in Ung's framework, is to be

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able to understand those conflicting forces and be able to

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find the balance between the two. You know, this is

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what meditation is good for, to be able to see

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those extremes. But this is all psychology, you know, the

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archetypes of the collective unconscious, they actually symbolize energies within us.

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Right when you look at Eric Erickson and the cycles

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of life, right, very most of us don't understand that

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there are different natural stages of life that we go

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through from childhood to adolescens, from adolessons to young adult,

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from young adult to maturity to maturity to departure. And

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if we don't understand the psychology the emotions that comes

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in those transitions, then what he just fines as a

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00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:48.839
crisis takes place.

473
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:49.480
Right.

474
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.759
The more we understand, the more conscious that we are

475
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:57.799
about that crisis, the easier we can navigate through it, right,

476
00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:01.519
the confused us and it's kind of let dissipate it

477
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:06.440
because we'd understand. So that's as psychology part spirituality. I

478
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:11.079
have a it's a challenge to to understand spirituality from

479
00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.599
a non pop culture point of view. You know, we

480
00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.079
say a lot of things about spirituality, which is not

481
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:21.960
feeling desires, you know, avoiding. You know, I don't want

482
00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:23.640
to feel I want to be spiritual. I want to

483
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:25.799
see these angels, I want to see all this different

484
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:28.599
stuff personally speaking, and the way that we talk about it,

485
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:32.480
if spirituality is a practical thing, it's something that happens

486
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:35.480
in the here and now, because our lives for our

487
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.440
average of seventy two seventy five years, happens in the

488
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:41.119
here and now. Right in the way that I look

489
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:43.960
at spirituality is I give you the analogy of the

490
00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:47.160
Sun and us. We do not exist without the sun, right,

491
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:50.599
we are an aspect of the Sun, of that energy. Right,

492
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:54.559
so it's an aspect of that. We have to understand

493
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.759
our divinity when it comes to that. But also more importantly,

494
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:01.960
how do we contribute in the here in the now?

495
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:04.960
Because everything in the universe contributes in one way or

496
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:07.359
the other. We just have to find our point of

497
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.759
expression by understanding all the dualities within us, find our

498
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.599
point of expression so that we could actually contribute in

499
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.079
the here now. And that's when you get into that

500
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:22.559
float state that wow, this is awesome. I'm enjoying this

501
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:25.680
and it could be anything. I can't tell you what

502
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:28.759
it is because it has to be yours. You know

503
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:31.400
what mine is. And what we do is that we

504
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:33.599
guide people through that process.

505
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.559
And helps them to understand. You know, as you mentioned,

506
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.440
as you mentioned Buddha, as you mentioned Jesus, as you

507
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.480
were mentioning those there's what I found is there's one

508
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:46.640
common thing that comes from all of them, and that

509
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:50.400
is to become. You know, I am that I am,

510
00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:55.079
and you know with Buddha, become free yourself from the suffering,

511
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:58.400
just become. And it's fascinating to me that some other

512
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:01.319
along the line we've forgotten that that's what it's really

513
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:04.680
all about, is to really, as you say, find out

514
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.720
who you really are, become and it isn't something that

515
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:09.640
you just suddenly say, oh this is who I am.

516
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:13.759
It's a process of Number one, I think overcoming all

517
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:19.160
of those imprints that have focused our lives and then

518
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:22.519
being able to move in a direction where we truly

519
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:25.720
become and as you say, find that sense of peace

520
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:29.480
and joy. So there's this psycho spiritual Now what are

521
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:31.079
the practical tools that you use?

522
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:35.480
So that was the next step. That's where I come in.

523
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:41.279
I think for us, really, when a soul's quest was born,

524
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:47.359
and as it's evolved, because it's definitely become, it's evolved tremendously.

525
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.960
Is what we do is we offer our own lives

526
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:57.599
and a look into what we're going through as a platform,

527
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:02.799
a safe platform for people to be open, express themselves.

528
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:05.880
I like to say that we offer a frequency to

529
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:10.079
people to let them into our space.

530
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:10.839
Right.

531
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:13.720
So we call those people's soul questers because those are

532
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.680
the people that want to know, who are committed to

533
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:20.519
going through this through the hero's journey, right, And so

534
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:23.119
we we offer a variety of tools.

535
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.920
We you know, we offer guiding. We don't call it coaching.

536
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:28.920
We call it guiding because we guide people through this process.

537
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:32.920
I walk with people because I'm just recently going through

538
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.960
this transition, right, so it's really raw for me and

539
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:41.039
it's really you know, it's it's a it's been a

540
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.799
an eye opening experience. And I think when you allow

541
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.960
people to come into your space and you go with

542
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.680
them and you feel with them and you become and

543
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.079
you know you have that empathy because you're experiencing it

544
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:56.240
or you have experienced it, there's a different type of

545
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:57.359
relationship that happens.

546
00:29:57.400 --> 00:29:58.880
They're a bond that happens, you know.

547
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:01.640
And so there you know the guide and from a

548
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.200
practical standpoint, you know, what is it that we that

549
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:07.519
we do right. There's a concept that I used that

550
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.240
I found actually a Greek concept called psychle pump right

551
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:13.960
and is a guide. It used to be a guide

552
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:19.240
from life to death. And so our role is really

553
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.680
to be able to walk along with people and let

554
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:25.279
them know what the post signs are to help them

555
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:29.000
understand the process of walking. We do that by courses

556
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.240
that we have on our on our membership, which are

557
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:36.000
really targeted at understanding the different forces that you have inside.

558
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:40.119
Like for instance, I we define the soul because the

559
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:43.319
soul has a definition, and we use the Greek definition

560
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:46.400
of it. So the first one is your impulses, your

561
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:49.960
natural impulses, the urge for a production that's something that

562
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:53.799
we have to understand because it's very problematic when we don't. Right.

563
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:57.400
The urge to power, which is something else that we

564
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:00.799
have inside of us, the earth urg like we talked

565
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.440
about society, the urge to belong to something. Those are

566
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.599
things that we need to understand because we really don't

567
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:09.519
talk about that. So some of the things that we

568
00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:13.839
practically do, so we explore those aspects, right. The second

569
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:17.880
part is our emotions, right. So Jesse in her doctorate

570
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:21.000
did a lot of work with emotional intelligence. In my

571
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:22.680
work as well, I did a lot of work with

572
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:27.480
emotional intelligence. And again, the emotions are the compass that

573
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:30.519
kind of I tell you what the urges are doing, right,

574
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.160
So you have to understand the urges, and then with

575
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.839
the emotions right, you be able to not eliminate them,

576
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.599
but to be able to find the equilibrium between the

577
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:43.240
two opposing forces. So you have to understand that right.

578
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:48.759
And the final thing is understanding your thoughts and your

579
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:53.559
mind right. So in order for you to transform the

580
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:56.039
way that you see the world, you have to use

581
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:58.839
your mind. Our mind is the most powerful tool that

582
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:02.319
we possess. Are the only creatures on Earth that hasn't

583
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:05.880
expanded level of consciousness and expand the level of thinking.

584
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:06.599
Right.

585
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:12.039
So we use philosophy right as a spectrum, and you

586
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:15.240
have to define what your philosophy, what we call your

587
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:18.000
approach to life that is. And it all starts by

588
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:21.480
first understanding that that you know, the mammalian brain, which

589
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:25.359
is called right, those impulses and the stuff your emotions,

590
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:28.480
and then how do you use the power of your

591
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:32.079
mind to focus and pay attention to what it is

592
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.559
that you will like to see. So the process goes

593
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:38.680
through all that because again, I've always been a lifelong seeker.

594
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.759
I love learning new things. But very seldom do I

595
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:45.759
see people talking about these things that we talk about

596
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:50.240
our impulse, the libido, the serpent power, as congleaning power,

597
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:52.480
as something that is like, eugh, you don't want to

598
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.079
talk about that, I'm too spiritual for that. But the

599
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:59.160
reality is that in every single religion and every single mythology,

600
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.799
that's an in power important power to understand because it

601
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:05.839
is the power of creation and the power of destruction.

602
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:09.480
And if we don't know how to balance that, right,

603
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:11.599
that's what problems begin to happen in our life. And

604
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.079
I had to learn all this. I had to understand

605
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.640
the First, I had to be able to see, like, oh,

606
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.640
my impulses that made me make bad decisions, you know,

607
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:24.599
that need that idea to belong. I make bad decisions

608
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:26.920
when it came to money because I wanted to feel

609
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.759
like I belong right, So all this thing's important to understand.

610
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.839
And it's interesting is you talk about impulses and the

611
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:37.160
emotions and emotional intelligence, you know, and I love the

612
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:41.480
emotional scales that I've seen and studied. And what's fascinating

613
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.319
about it is that you know there will be times

614
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:46.839
that all of a sudden, I'm getting really frustrated here

615
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.359
in kind of number one because I don't speak the

616
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:53.920
language and they don't speak English, and miscommunication can be

617
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.960
really frustrating. But then I had to sit back and go, okay,

618
00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:01.319
why what what is that? As you urge or I say,

619
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:05.440
what is that imprint within me that is causing me

620
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:10.039
to experience this emotion? And I find that that if

621
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:14.679
someone will just observe their emotions, they can suddenly realize, Okay,

622
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.199
you know what, I don't need to have this emotion,

623
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:19.719
But why am I experiencing it? And being able to

624
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:23.880
do that deep dive into that and figuring out all right,

625
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.679
this is why it's happening, or that's why it's happening,

626
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:30.719
and you call urges. But you know what's fascinating. Sometimes

627
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:32.679
we have no idea where they come from. They come

628
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:36.840
from childhood, which is subconscious, they come from DNA, they

629
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:41.480
come so from eridity, they come from epigenetics, they come

630
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:43.960
from all those things, and in many cases we have

631
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:50.199
no control over that essentially, But then we do have

632
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:54.559
the control because once we realize it and can recognize

633
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.079
it and become aware of it, then we can start

634
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.920
to take control. And I love how we can move

635
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.599
from being a victim of all of that to being

636
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:06.480
empowered by all of that. Now, you use a framework

637
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:09.440
called PEP. Could you explain to me what that is?

638
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:14.760
Sure? So, so we still and this is going to

639
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:16.599
be this is in our book. It's so squad as

640
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.559
a transformational approach to life, and this is the foundation

641
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.199
of a other things that we do. So PEP stars

642
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:28.039
stands for perspective, experience and philosophy. Right, So one of

643
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.519
the things that we urge people to do is to

644
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:34.440
broaden their perspective. Why in your gaze right, look at

645
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:38.360
the universe? I love I love Carl Sagan, I love

646
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:42.360
our our honeymoon. We went to Kennedy Space Center. So

647
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:46.039
that does to show you like exactly how how how

648
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:48.599
we look at into the universe, because it is important

649
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.960
to look at the universe at nature to understand its

650
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:55.119
energies and understand it's it's it's how it works.

651
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:55.400
Right.

652
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:57.599
The universe is impartial.

653
00:35:58.039 --> 00:35:58.239
Right.

654
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:02.239
You you have asteroids called lighting in space and they

655
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:03.480
go in different directions.

656
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:03.840
Right.

657
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:08.239
You have starts that dissipate but then come back together,

658
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:12.400
and you have galaxies that come together. So when you

659
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.000
start looking at what in your gates and getting a

660
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:18.920
border perspective almost like as above, so below, you start

661
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:22.920
really truly understanding the cyclical nature of life. You start

662
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:26.000
understanding that nothing is evil for us. It's for us

663
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.960
to be more aware of it, which is what science does.

664
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:29.239
Right.

665
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:32.400
Science is not a religion like trying to make it.

666
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:36.639
Science is a process, right, to be able to look outside,

667
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:41.079
to be able to recognize and deduce and then be

668
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:44.239
able to formulate an approach based on that observation.

669
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:44.519
Right.

670
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:49.719
So that's what perspectives experience is. We experience life in

671
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.320
many different things, in many different ways. We just talked

672
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.360
about it as how we respond to the stimulus from

673
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:59.920
the outside. Right, So our experiences, the things that happen

674
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:03.519
to us, we have to take all that information from

675
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:07.119
a different perspective, cosmic perspective, so that we could distill

676
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:11.440
exactly what not why this happened, But what is it

677
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:16.039
that I'm learning from this? Yes, because the why question,

678
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:18.440
when you think, oh, why did this happen to me,

679
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.679
it's a never ending question and it puts you down

680
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:23.159
in the pit. And I learned that when I was

681
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.480
going through all this stuff where you ask what am

682
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:28.079
I learning for this? What can I gain from this?

683
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.199
What new perspective can I get? How can I learn

684
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:34.079
and take something from this? So the experience is being

685
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.679
able to look at life, at the situations that happened.

686
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:40.679
How I looked that within my impulses to be able

687
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:44.800
to formulate, gain the lessons, astract the lessons from it

688
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:48.920
the experiences. Right, and then you go into philosophy, and

689
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.159
philosophy is creating your own approach to life.

690
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:52.519
Right.

691
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.719
I use in a lot of the trainings that I use,

692
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.440
I use Nietzchees a metamorphosis or the spirit is in

693
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.440
the product to those books that are two strike He

694
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:03.639
talks about the camel, the lion, the dragon, and the

695
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:06.239
k and the child. Right, and the idea that when

696
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:10.199
we're we're conditioned, we're a camel. A camel is a beast,

697
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:12.000
a bird, and put a load on me. This is

698
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.000
what happens because we're just pitched into existence. Right. You

699
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.000
don't choose your family, you don't choose where you were born,

700
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:20.119
you don't choose your body. The universe just pitches you. Right,

701
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.159
So everything is given to your social conditioning this idea.

702
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:26.679
But then you because this is something inside of you

703
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.840
that tells you you have to go and confront this.

704
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:31.599
And if you don't listen to that, you're you're not

705
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.000
going to be okay. So you go into the desert.

706
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.440
You get transformed into a lion, and the goal of

707
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.679
that linon needs to kill a dragon. You need to

708
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.599
scale of the dragon. There's a doubt, shout or you

709
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:43.960
should do this, you should do that, you should be

710
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:46.559
like this. You have to kill that dragon. And once

711
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:49.559
you do that, then you get transformed into a child. Right.

712
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.920
It's like in the Bible says and a child shall

713
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.800
lead them. Right, we have to get to a point

714
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:57.639
as a child in which we are curious again, we

715
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:01.360
are open to the possibilities of the universe, we are

716
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.119
open to the possibilities of life, and only from that

717
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.000
point can you really begin your quest.

718
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:06.840
Right.

719
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.280
So the objective of PEP is to get you to

720
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:14.880
that launching point right in which you are understanding your experiences,

721
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:18.519
understanding that everything that happened led you to this point,

722
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:22.639
so that now you could go out there find more

723
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.280
about what you are, and then live from that point

724
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.280
of view. So those are the things that that that's

725
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:28.440
what that means.

726
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:29.440
Okay, And I love that.

727
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.440
You know, as you talk, I think about this concept

728
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:35.079
that I just learned from one of my other podcasts

729
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.840
that you know, our experiences are there to teach us.

730
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:41.000
You know, we can either become a victim of our

731
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:44.599
experiences or we can allow that to teach us. And

732
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.840
as we allow that to teach us, and as you say,

733
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:51.800
as you get back to that final P and realize that, Okay,

734
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:56.400
I can actually use these and develop a gift and

735
00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:58.599
the develop and ability to help.

736
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:00.639
And it's just like what you guys want through with

737
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:01.480
your story.

738
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:04.239
I mean, here you are now and you've done all

739
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:06.320
of the study, and you've done all of this stuff.

740
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:12.519
And you've used that event or those events to develop

741
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.519
a gift that then you give to other people. And

742
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:20.519
that perspective I think is so important for people to understand.

743
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.079
You know. And and what that leads to is again,

744
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:25.960
I'm the philosophy, I'm the nerd in the family. Is

745
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:30.119
in Hinduism, there's the web of Indra, the web of gem, right,

746
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:33.360
that idea, and then every every intersection of a of

747
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:35.440
a of a web of a net, there's a gem.

748
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:40.039
That gem is us. So we reflect who we are

749
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:45.000
from that gem, and that reflection affects everything around us. Right,

750
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.920
So that we're not advocating you're going to go ahead

751
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.360
and change the world. Is what when you begin to

752
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:55.360
live from you, you automatically radiates and everything around you

753
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:56.480
gets affected by it.

754
00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:57.039
Right.

755
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:59.800
And the idea is that it doesn't matter what you do.

756
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:00.599
Right.

757
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.519
Again, our point of expression is a resous quest. Right. It

758
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:08.400
could be you making the best sandwich that ever existed,

759
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:12.400
you know, or you have to find that for you.

760
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.280
I can't prescribe to go into real estate and do

761
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.679
this and do that. It's like the beauty of life

762
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.800
is in the diversity of life. Right. You go in

763
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:25.400
nature and you see all the beautiful colors and everything

764
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:29.320
else that's out there. You have that as well, right,

765
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.960
and you have to we have to help people get

766
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.199
to that. And again, unfortunately, in my experience with the

767
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.760
education system, going through it and working in it, that's

768
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:43.320
not what we do. We actually are taking away the

769
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.559
beauty of what it means to be a human being,

770
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:49.519
and we are creating functions things that this is who

771
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.840
you are. And then and we have to shift that,

772
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.280
you know, we have to shift that.

773
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:56.519
So true, so true.

774
00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:59.519
And you know, the thought that comes to my mind

775
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.079
and the question that comes to my mind with your

776
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:06.320
book Assault Quest, Okay, when people read that book, what

777
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:07.360
are they going to gain?

778
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:08.960
What you're going to do for them?

779
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.199
Essentially, what we've talked about today, what we do is

780
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:16.159
what or what we've done, is we've taken all of

781
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:19.559
the thoughts that we've talked about today, all of the processes,

782
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:24.199
the experiences, the shadow work, the integration, the hero's journey

783
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:29.679
is in those pages, and we invite the reader into

784
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:32.760
taking this quest, taking this journey.

785
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:36.639
It's it's a transformational approach to life.

786
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:41.119
We're trying to get people to understand we're bringing them

787
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:44.000
into our world, into our experiences so that they can

788
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.360
now take a journey of their own, a quest of

789
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:47.840
their own.

790
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:52.119
Okay, And it goes back to also to be an aware, right, Yeah,

791
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.159
it's being aware. I mean, if I had to boil

792
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:57.519
it down to one thing, it's like, you know, the

793
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:01.480
more you know, the more you're able to understand things

794
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:05.639
and life, the better that the better you could discover

795
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:09.559
where you fit in, you know, independently, like Wayne Dyer said,

796
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:11.480
independently of the good opinion of other people.

797
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:14.000
Yeah, so how do people find your book?

798
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:18.599
Well, we are going to be launching our book and

799
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:19.880
I think we're doing it.

800
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.920
And our book is out already, our book, Yeah, okay,

801
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.360
it's out already, and they could go to s Q

802
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.480
empowerment dot com. You'll be able to see the book

803
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:32.320
in there. You'll be able to connect with us. We

804
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:35.840
we we do what do you call it, some some

805
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:38.199
lessons that we put out on the regular basis. But

806
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:39.920
if you want to take a look at the book,

807
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.119
just go to our website at sq empowerment dot com

808
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:45.199
and just stay connected with us. We'd love to hear.

809
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:50.920
Okay, so say that a little slower, please here your website.

810
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.559
It's a SQ empowerment dot Com.

811
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:58.280
Okay, because I have a soul quest a Soul's quest

812
00:43:58.320 --> 00:43:59.239
dot com.

813
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:05.320
Yeah, well we where we're integrating. Yeah, it's eight Oh

814
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.039
really okay, Yeah, it's ASQ empowerment dot Com.

815
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:08.599
Sorry for that.

816
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:12.039
Yeah, And our book will be available at this point, yes,

817
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:14.199
and you can find it on our website and with

818
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:18.360
all the other materials and curriculum. You know, people can

819
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:23.280
be members, uh and receive our newsletters interact with us.

820
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:25.840
That's great, and that was gonna be my next question.

821
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:28.119
So going to that website, they can find you, they

822
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:31.320
can find your book. That's wonderful, and so kind of

823
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:33.880
as we close, what would be a final message that

824
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:35.280
you want to share with the audience.

825
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:39.639
The final message will be listen to that voice inside.

826
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:41.760
There's a voice that tells you when you're on the path,

827
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:43.519
and there's a voice that tells you that you're on

828
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:45.599
the path. It tells you by how the way you

829
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:49.679
feel your emotions. Well that listen to that voice, follow

830
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:53.719
that voice, and explore more importantly, the question as to

831
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.639
who am I explore that question, see what answers should

832
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.199
come up, and I challenge you to go beyond on

833
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:05.159
the normal responses go beyond your roles, go beyond your functions,

834
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:07.719
and find a deeper meaning of who you truly are.

835
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.760
I love it. Well, guys, thanks so much. This has

836
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:13.760
been a great conversation. I love it.

837
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.079
Thank you so much for having us. It's been a

838
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:16.800
great conversation.

839
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:17.480
Thank you well.

840
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:20.599
I really appreciate it. Folks, thanks for listening. I hope

841
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.360
you've enjoyed it and we look forward to having you

842
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.039
join us again soon. And this is doctor Doug saying,

843
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:26.719
now must day I

844
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:28.280
Must say thank you.