Unlocking the Healing Power Within: A Journey Beyond Religion

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0:44 Denzel Washington, welcome to inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to do the same. Beati, welcome to the show. Well, thank you, it's good to be here. Doctor doug Hey, I appreciate it. Now, where are you from? Where are you living? And then Birmingham, Alabama? So that's the Southeastern US for our outside of the US, like you people. Okay, Yeah, it's it's fun. It's fun to be traveling and do all those things. So I'd love for you. You have an interesting journey and background, and I'd love for you to share with the audience that background and that journey that you yeah, that brought you to this point.

1:26 So the interesting part is I didn't realize this was all that interesting until you know, sometimes you don't realize the important steps in life until you look backwards and realize how formulative they were. So I was born into a line of seven generations of medical doctors, and so one after another for almost two hundred years, and they all became like general surgeons in the early years. But my dad was a critical care physician. He was a vascular surgeon, so when the crowded artery burst or got clogged, it was critical and I thought I was going to go into medicine. But I started to really think long and hard about it and decided that the life my dad lived wasn't a life I wanted. He was average eighty hours a week. So I ended up going into business.

2:18 I've been a business owner doing marketing for the last thirty plus years. And then, as we're talking a little bit more with our story, about nine years ago, I got this really urge in hard to pursue trying to bring healing to people. And it wasn't until later that I realized, you know, that's the same thing my family line has been doing for years. They were doing it through medicine, and now I'm doing it through spiritual loves and prayer and getting actually more significant results than most of them were getting. So it's really kind of a cold story, but it started over two hundred years ago with some lineage that made me this direction. Wow, and as you talk about what is that background that bring about the prayer concept of how to heal, well.

3:03 It actually happened. I don't know if you've ever experienced this, but like when I met my wife, I knew by the second date I was going to marry here. In fact, I actually told her on the second date, I'm going to marry you someday. And sometimes we come across things in life that when something hits us, it just there's something that resonates deep inside your being that says this is it. And that's what happened with me. It was about nine years ago. I was watching a video on Netflix and it was almost like a reality show. I mean it won't have scripted but just some guy going along with a video camera walking along with different people at different times, and they're just out in the public markets place praying for people. And when they pray, you would see that whatever they were praying for got healed.

3:50 If they're limping, they no longer limped. If they're in a wheelchair, they diet, get up and no longer need a wheelchair and things that sort. And it really gripped me, and it gripped me more than I really realize how powerful it was. But it was like I couldn't get enough of watching that, and it was a trilogy set of videos and I just ate them up, and something deep inside my heart said, I want this, And you know, it's like I've always desire to help people. You know, if you come from a line of medical doctors, then their whole focus is to help people because that's their heart's desire. And this was kind of awakened, this desire to move into healing. But I wasn't in medicine, but I saw this happening through prayer, and so I started to pursue it. I remember, so I came from a legalistic church background, and they it's legalistic means eye for an eye, tooth for tooth. If you've got bad things going on, then it's your fault, right, you know. And the other part of the legalistic is we whenever my church would pray for anyone, they would always say, Lord, please heal this person, if it be your will. You know, twenty year old with cancer, Please tell this person, if it be your will, And our understanding was it may be God's will that you'd be sick. And so with that as the background, what startled me so much as I watch these people being healed on the videos was everyone was being healed, or at least every clip that

5:21 they were showing. There were probably people that weren't getting hell right. But it startled me because I always thought that maybe God's will was for certain people to be sick or be injured and stay that way. But what I was watching was different, and when this deep desire of mind was bubbling up in my heart to say, I want that. One thing I did learn from my church or during my time at church, was that if you're going to pray and ask God to do something, you had to pray by faith, which means you had to believe that He was going to do it. And I didn't believe that God was wanting to heal people.

6:02 So this was the biggest challenge that I had moving into this timeframe, is does God really want people to be healed? Because my church, it was a big megachurch with a great reputation for biblical accuracy, I guess you could call it that, and yet they didn't believe that it was God's will to heal. I mean, maybe, but sometimes his will was for someone to be sick. So I ended up spending six months just for me studying the Bible, but more than anything else, studying these scriptures on who God is, and finally came to the conclusion that it looks like it was God's will to heal consistently and that he never turned anyone away that came to him for healing, at least in the scriptures of Jesus.

6:48 So six months later, and it was October of twenty sixteen. I remember because I was on a weekend convention trip, and I decided that Saturday, at a lunch break, you know, I think it's time I'm just going to go out and try to pray for people. So I went out to the grocery stores, went out to gas stations, and went out to Walmart, and just found anyone that looked like they were in pain, and I started prayed for them, and six out of eighteen, so one third, were instantly held. I mean crazy things like you've been in the medical world, like RSD. Are you familiar with what RSD is? Okay? I didn't know either. So this lady I walked up to her in Walmart and she had on a white blouse and a black compression sleeve on her arm. And I understood enough about compression sleeves. It must be something painful.

7:42 So I said, hey, can I pray for you? You look like you're in pain. She said, you can pray, but don't touch me. Don't touch it it hurts. I have RSD, and I thought, oh, okay, Like I wasn't going to tell her. I had no clue what RSD was. I find out later. Well, first I finished the story, so I prayed for her, and all of the pain instantly left. I mean, now she was touching her arm, she would let me touch it, no pain anywhere. I didn't think much about it because I didn't know what RSD was. I get back home and I tell Dad, Hey, Dad, I prayed for this lady with RSD. And the pain instantly left. What is RSD? And he said RSD is a neurological disease that causes significant pain. The only way to control it is with prescription painkillers. That it's incurable.

8:29 If that left, that was a miracle, I remember, dad to this day. Yeah. And so I started just to pray for people, seeing things like degenerative discs go away. Usually it was pain related, and for a while it was about one out of three people that would be healed. And then within about a year, as I was praying, about nine out of ten people were being healed. And I started to see things that you know, like glaucoma and hernia's. And I remember this one day, she just had a knee replacement surgery. This was Saturday. She had it on Monday, so about five days earlier. And I don't know if you've ever had like major surgery need replacement, but it was extremely painful, all swollen, she couldn't stand on it. She was at Walmart writing when the little scooters for a handicap. So I prayed for her and said, well check it out. She gets up, she walks around, have her do deep knee bends, no pain. We connect like a year or so later and say, hey, whatever happened to that knee? She said out never had any pain ever since. I mean just little things like that that would just like blow your mind. But that got me started on this journey that we're on the call today for WOW.

9:42 And that's fascinating, and you know what's interesting to me? And I want to I want to preface this because obviously the audience that's listening to this, many will be Christian, many will be of different religions, whether it's Islam or Buddha or yes, you know, Jewish or whatever that happened to be. Are are you? Are you? Are you? We limited in an anality to do that based on a religious belief. Well, so let me let me let me fast track real quickly to come back to answer your question. Three years ago, I lost my gift of healing. So I pray for people and nothing really happens anymore, and I was asking God, so now, you know, so let's let's talk about different religions and even agnostic or atheist. What I'm what I'm doing now that I wrote a book about called The Prayer of Freedom, is I did? I discovered some spiritual laws they are at play, and these laws work regardless of your belief system. See for me, when I was praying, I believe that it was a gift from God. And every religion has their own person of God, and it's all the same God. Right, whether you're Muslim, whether you're Hindu, Well, you got lots of guys if you're Hindu. But usually I think there's like a main one if you're a Christian or Jew, or you just know that there's some being out there. He goes by any name that you want to call him.

11:06 So what happened is when I started praying for people and I lost it. You know, I'd go out and pray for people, a nine out of ten would be healed, and then one out of ten or less. I asked him, said what happened? He said, I took your gift away. I said why because he said, now I want you to understand. I want you to learn how to do it through He used the word authority, and I understood based on some other things I was happening during those years what that meant. But what I started to do is I started to realize that most of the sicknesses and issues that we have in our lives have a spiritual route somewhere at the base of it. We see this in all religions. Most religions believe that if you're a good person, good things will happen to you. If you're a bad person, bad things will happen. And it's personified if that's the right word in karma, which you know, part of Hindu religion, and karma says if you do bad things, bad things will happen. If you do good things, good things will happen. And what's interesting, doctor Doug, is we see this in life, and we see this correlation, but we've never been able to pinpoint it and specifically utilize it to bring healing. And that's what I started to do. I started to test, you know, as a scientist, because medical doctors many years back, we're all scientists. As a marketer, you're testing everything. So I just brought that scientific testing modality into this and I started testing different

12:37 things and in a very short time, without me praying at all, but just leading that person a process how to pray, I started to see the same numbers be instantly or relatively instantly healed, which is about ninety percent. I started teaching at an addiction recovery center. Do you know anything about addicts? Do you know any drug addicts, for alcoholics or. Anything like that. Yeah, I have a good friend that was and is no longer. Praise the Lord, Yes, praise God right? Whoever read that God is right? Well? If so. At the Addiction Recovery Center where I teach, I'm a volunteer teacher. It is the largest addiction recovery in North America. And it's both for drug addiction, sex addiction, cigarettes and alcohol and just anything.

13:30 Probably not cigarettes, but those main main type of addictions that just dry people crazy. And what happens is what I'm seeing with this process is for every twenty students who come into my class, an addiction is the reason they're there. But if you know much about people who are just battling addiction for years, they have all types of chronic pain, they have all types of mental illnesses, they have all types of trauma in their life. That's just all. It's just a really cessful of garbage. So for every twenty of those people that come through my class, I wrote this book about this process I learned called the Prayer of Freedom, and I literally just give them this book in class, And all I do in class, for the most part, is I give them time to do it on their own, because I know that if I just gave them a book and they go back into the center, life gets busy. So in my class, they literally just sit down and they work through this process and pray through it on their own, and nine out of ten almost get healed of all their addictions, all their chronic pain, all their mental illnesses. And they come from all different walks of life. So back to your question about you know, is this religious base you know, only Christian or will it work with other religions. What I'm finding is this is just a spiritual law, and it works for any person, regardless of the religious faith, regardless of whether they believe it's going to work or not, whether they're agnostics or even atheists. Because here's the way I like to explain it, and for your listening audience,

15:02 I'll kind of describe what I'm doing. I'm holding up a pin right now, and if I hold that pin up and then let it go, the pen is going to drop into my palm. If I pick it back up and let it go again, is going to drop into my palm and doctor Doug, if you were to pick up your pen and let it go, is going to drop into your palm. And so what this shows us is there's some law. This is a physical science activity. There's a law that we call gravity, and we can prove through empirical data that gravity exists simply by repeating the same activity and getting the same result. Does that make sense so far? Oh? Absolutely? Okay. So what I've started to do with prayer is taking the theory, the premise that there's something in our life, a spiritual root where we've lack a better word, we did something that this god of the universe doesn't like us to do, okay, and that spiritual root is the source of most of the problems that we have, whether it's mental illness, whether it's chronic pain, even if it's persistent illness as you know, diabetes and rheumatory to arthritis and cancer and lupus and whatever else it may be. So as I started to test this and started to apply it, I've been seeing the identical results. Meaning I take everyone through the same process of prayer and they consistently get the same results of almost always being healed of whatever is going on, and sometimes it's the type of healing where you go

16:34 to a doctor as well and the doctor confirms, like I remember this one lady. By the way, one of the biggest issues to say identify what like a spiritual root would be is unforgiveness. It's probably one of the biggest things I've seen simply by forgiving. I've seen people with psiatica pain that goes all the way from the next year, the shoulders, all the way down the back instantly go I've seen people of this. One lady, her name was I call her Susan. She was at this addiction recovery center, and she asked me to pray for her because her rheunatory arthritis that she'd have for fifteen or twenty years was flaring up. At the time, it was like a wet, muggy, cold day, and so as I was about to pray for her, I was prompted to simply ask her, Susan, do you have unforgiveness for anyone?

17:18 She goes yes, I said, who is it? She says, it's my sister. She did something to my mother twenty years ago, and I'm not forgiving her. Said, would you be willing to forgive her, and she said yes. So I simply let her into a prayer of forgiveness, because unforgiveness is something that the God of the universe doesn't like us doing. So simply, literally, the prayer was, Dear God, I forgive my sister for what she did to me. That was it. It was just a statement of forgiveness. And then we asked God to take away her arthritic pain. It started to go down immediately. By the next day it was completely gone. She tracked me down five weeks later and said, beaty, ever since she prayed with me, I've had no arthritis pain since, she said, last week, I went back to the doctor. He tested me for arthritis, and he says, I have no arthritis in my body.

18:13 And not only that, he said that my body shows no signs of ever having had arthritis. But yet she'd been tested for years and she had been diagnosed medically as having rematoried arthritis. So it's things like that that I'm discovering and helping guide people through a process that's starting to free them from pain and chronic illness and issues in their life and anxiety and depression and things like that The doctors can't figure out. You know, they try to treat it. Sometimes they have no answer for it. But when you look at it as a spiritual route, and we believe that there's some God over there out there that probably created us. If he created us, he can probably heal us. And that's what I'm seeing.

18:57 So, but you're talking about agnostics and all that type of thing too. So you know, as you talk about spiritual roots and talk about prayer, it was really fascinating. I was listening to a religious talk the other day and they brought up the fact that you know, they were talking about but they were talking about meditation, and you know, and I think for many people, meditation is another word used for prayer. And I really like that concept. And so as we talk about people who may not have that belief in God, which incidentally I do, all right, but also to recognize there are many that. Don't, a lot that don't.

19:38 Sure, yeah, that and we talked about spiritual and there's there's such a connotation as we talk about spiritual stuff and so forth, when in fact, for instance, there's a there's a gentleman by the name of Joe Dispenser. Are you familiar with them? So, so he talks a little bit about the healing that takes with the meditation and so on and so forth, and he really doesn't get into any quote spiritual aspect of it. But when we talk about spiritual, are we talking about, you know, this whole thing of God or are we talking about divine or you know, principles of the universe that exists that we are able to tap into. And for some it's through prayer, for others it's through meditation that allows that healing to occur. You know, I think it can be observed anyway. And the reason I want to not answer your question directly, or at least I'm trying to answer it directly, but it's going to sound like I'm maybe bouncing around a little bit is sometimes.

20:45 Like in my church, what we considered spiritual and what someone else was doing in a non church environment, we would say, oh, that's not spiritual, that's you know, that's dangerous. But yet what I find is what they're doing is also spiritual. And probably is what I'm saying is the Christian religion doesn't have the only understanding of God in spirituality other I mean, because God created and even if an agnosty you have sort of a sess that is probably a higher being. And if there's a higher being, we don't really understand him or all that exists, but we know something in our heart that there's something else out there. And so for me, the spiritual part is there's something else out there that something else probably has created us and the environment in which we live. And there may be laws that we're supposed to follow, things that we're supposed to do that He wants us to do or not. I mean, if you go back to ancient religions, you go back to the mind religion, the Aztecs, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, you have, Hebrew, you have all the Asian religions. They all have very commonalities. And the commonalities like, here are the three commonalities I see. If you want that God that you serve to do something for you, usually you sacrifice something like an animal. Then you offer contrition, say I'm sorry for doing the things I shouldn't have done.

22:12 And then we ask please would you give me favor in battle or bring in a good harvest. And yet, so what we're doing is we're all recognizing there's something out there, and that recognition of something else out there that's the spirituality that I'm talking about doesn't matter what label you put on, it's. And I like what you talked about, and I liked your example of gravity, because the reality is is there are universal laws that exist out there, and. Most people don't know how to tap into them. And yes, what you're really describing is those universal laws, which you're referring to as spiritual and other people may refer to the universal laws or whatever that happens to be that if we can tap into those, that we're able to actually experience some of the things that you're talking about, particularly healing, which is you know, the whole topic today. So as you talk about the prayer, what are what are the fourth steps?

23:08 So real? Simply is number one. We're going to ask God, whoever God is, for you, I just use, you know, the God of the universe. Say I want to get rid of this shoulder pain, for example, and if there's a spiritual root, would you bring to mind what that is? And that spiritual root? Now I wanna use I'm gonna use kind of Christian, Muslim, Hebrew terms for this moment because all those come from a similar bane of the Bible, and the terms are sin in repentance. So for other religions that maybe using a different term, let me define what these are. So sin in the Hebrek and Muslim Islam religions, sin is something that we do that God says not to have done. Okay. Committing adultery is sin.

24:01 Murdering some one is that okay? And then so that step one is ask God is there something at the root of this, even though it may be physical. Like I remember one of the ladies I was working with, she was I saw she had her on her right arm, I think it was in a sling, and I was asking her what happened. She said, she was in a car accident three years ago and hit the windshold, broke her colorbone and her shoulder bone and her ac which is a bone in the shoulder, and she didn't have insurance to fix it, so they literally just gave her a sling and she sat like that and it healed wrong. So she's in excruciating pain for three years. She finally got insurance to go to the doctor, and it was an orthopedic surgeon. He said, I can fix it, but it's going to be really invasive. He had to drill through the bone break him apart and then reset everything so that she had just come out of that invasive surgery four weeks earlier when I met with her, and the pain was excruciating. So everything has a physical kind of you know, there's a physical reason why she's there.

25:08 But I led her into these four steps I'm sharing with you now, and she repented of some things, and she forgave some people. Unforgiveness, as I mentioned, is one of these spiritual roots. And literally, I think it was in less than an hour, she's moving her shoulder without pain with the full range of motion as her other arms. She could full range like that, and for my audio listeners, I'm moving both arms up and down in like a rowing pattern. And one of her friends who was there, who'd traveled and been through with a surgery with her her eye was just bugged open, said, I don't believe that. She went back to the doctor of two weeks later for her six week checkup, and in twenty years of orthopedic surgery, he's never seen anything like that. But here's the thing that I want to make I want to point out so often the things that we run into have a physical cause, but we don't realize that there's actually a spiritual root that could have been that the cause, and for her there was. So when she repented of that and then asked God to heal her, then God actually healed her. So step one is you ask God, is there something at the root of this pain of mine that or this issue, whatever it is that I need to repent of or a person that I need to forgive. Then step two is I'm going to stop you there for me.

26:30 Okay, great, okay, because you know what I have found is our definitions oftentimes lead people to reject or consider or respond yes, so forth, And I want i want to clarify something because I've really looked at this carefully. When we look at the original Hebrew and the original Greek of the word sin, you know what it is. I've heard that it's missing the mark. Missing the mark, yes, yeah, And it's entirely differentferent connotation from guilt and shame. When we talk about you know, hey, you know what, I'm missing the mark. That's an entirely different concept than okay, I send all right. And that's a great point. When we talk about repentance. You know, it's like, Okay, I'm going to give this up, and so on and so forth, again guilt and shame. But when you get to the original Greek and Hebrew of repentance, it's reevaluating your relationship with the ideas, and so all of a sudden it takes away that guilt, that shame and helps us to understand that, you know what, Yeah, you know, I'm missing the mark here. I am not living the way I should. I'm doing some things that are probably not appropriate. I'm missing the mark. And then what do I do. I need to reevaluate my life, what I'm doing and change that. And so I think that's really important for the audience to understand.

27:57 You know. Anyway, now, I'm so glad you did that, because you're bringing the perspective that needs to be brought for the audience who don't have the same background of you know, kind of where I learned this process because and this is kind of what I was talking about this a moment ago before. I didn't I wasn't trying to avoid your question, but we use different words in different connotations, but they all kind of kind of point in the same direction. And you're right, and i'd like to do I do want to clarify that none of this has to do with shame or being there's a heart conviction right that I did wrong, possibly, but it's not something that you have to feel bad about, because we all do wrong. This is if the sin is is having missed the mark of what this guy in the universe wanted you to do. And the word that I use, repentance in the Greek, it actually means to think differently, to think like on the other side. Okay, And so repentance, as it relates to step to which I'm about to explain, is simply acknowledging to this god of the universe that boops, Okay, yes, I agree that I did wrong. I'm sorry. Right. It is a contrition, and with that contrition, it's almost as if all he wants us to do is acknowledge, yeah, I did wrong.

29:17 I'm not going to hide it from you or I didn't even know that was wrong. You know, I was never taught, and he has great grace over that as well. Okay, so step two then it is okay, So step two. Yeah, So step two we're going to acknowledge it and the way that we acknowledge it and I've learned now there could be other ways to do this, but I found it's fine. It's best to be safe than sorry. So if you're in a religion or not a religion that don't use these words. Just use these words anyway, because I don't know what the corresponding word somewhere else would be. But if it's something that God brings to your mind that you did, then the word is I repent of blank, okay. And if that what you did involve someone else, like may you had you were promiscuous outside of marriage, So I repent of sleeping with so and so. Okay, I repent of sleeping with blank. And if it is something to forgive someone that you hold a grudge against, it's very simple. I forgive blank or blank, I forgive mom or yelling at me. Okay. And the interesting thing, and this goes back very similar to what you're talking about, is shame. There's no shame in this. The repentance is not feeling shameful, though you may already feel shameful. But God isn't trying to make you, isn't trying to shame you.

30:39 The other thing is forgiveness. Isn't emotional to say I forgive so and so it's just a choice. So if you don't feel if someone hurts you really bad, like I remember teaching in my addiction recovery class or in my class at the recovery center, and I was talking about forgiveness and you have to forgive people in person said, well, how do I forgive those four men who rate me? I mean, that's really deep emotional trauma. But it's a choice. And what's interesting is when you simply say I forgive them, and you choose just to move on, then something inside you just releases freedom. And what I assess is going on is as we repent of these sense and forgive the people that God brings to your mind, then God is now pleased. So that's now the second step. The third step is sometimes anytime you interact with someone else in a way that creates sin, that is a missing the mark of how maybe you should have interacted. Then frequently there is a spiritual connection that we don't see, but it's somewhere in the spiritual realm that still holds a connection there and so we have to sever that so well, so step three is to break, and it's just a statement, I break all negative or unholy spiritual connections with those people I just named. Okay, So it's a breaking of that part and then step forward simply asking God to now heal the problem. And then we

32:10 use God's authority to command that problem to leave us. So it's asking God, what's the is there a spiritual route? And if he has bring it to my mind number two, we're going to repent of that or forgive the person. Number three. We're then going to break any negative spiritual connections that are remaining with us. It's just a statement number four, God, would you please remove this? And then we're going to speak to that in God's authority and the authority God, I command that to leave me. Now I command me to be healed, basically in his authority. And so when you go through that pattern, you start to see it. And one of the things that's been really interesting, even though there's a range of religions and religious police on this show, one of the things that's really interesting, doctor Doug is as I started to really research this, I found that the ancient text of the Bible, as they started to talk on spiritual truths and spiritual laws, seem to be the most accurate and the Bible speaks on from a spiritual law standpoint that when you do when you miss the mark, that sickness and disaster will occur.

33:22 And then when you confess that you miss the mark, healing will occur. For those that are familiar with the Bible, just a couple of places, you have Deuteronomy twenty eight, just before Israel was going into the Promised Land, and God said, if you don't follow me, then I'll bring on you. Then you'll have all the diseases of Egypt and disasters brought upon you. And there's a mighty king named King David that lived many years back, and in the book called Psalm thirty two, it says that David says, when I refuse to confess my sin, my body wasted away and I bones ached, and then when I confessed, I was released. Then you find in Book of John in the New Testament, Jesus is a mighty man of faith, a great religious man in the Bible for those who aren't aware of the Bible, and he heals this man from being lame for thirty eight years. He was sitting at a pool and were just sitting there waiting for someone to put him in the guy didn't know who Jesus was. But Jesus then finds him in the temple, and Jesus says, go and send no more, that nothing worse may happen to you. So this mighty prophet guy was saying that the sin was the cause of his issue.

34:39 And then there's a book called James, and in James chapter five he's writing to the believers at that time saying, if any of you are sick, let him call for the elders. But in John five sixteen it says, and confess your sins dot dot dot, and you shall be healed. And so we see this pattern throughout this uh, the spiritual law pattern that I've saw in the Bible. And that's all we're doing here with this four steps. And as I mentioned, it doesn't matter what religion you are. But okay, I warned you I was going to challenge you a couple of things. Please do all right, here's also in the Bible. You know who sinned? Who's sin?

35:19 His parents are this man because he is, you know, cripled or whatever, that a man born blind. He was a man born blind who sinned? Right? And what was the answer? So can I so let let me let me let me expand on this, because this is this is a really important part for everyone. Yeah, so for those who know the Bible, you recognize this. For those who don't, Jesus is out healing people and he's with the Jewish disciples and they come across this man who was forty years old, I believe, and he was born blind. So the Jews understood that most sickness had to do with sin, either your personal sin or your parents sin. So they said, Jesus, who's that this man was born blind? Either was it him or was it his parents? And Jesus said, neither this one. He was born blind simply so God could get the glory right now as I opened his eyes. And what I find, so I don't know about. I'm going to call that born of blindness a birth defect. Okay, right, So I'm not talking about birth defects, but I'm talking about things that happen after we've been born and now we become defective later. So I don't know about that man. But the other things that I've seen throughout the Bible. Here's here's something I took a deep dive because I want to really understand this, and I looked and I read almost a whole Bible with this one point in mind.

36:46 Every time I mentioned a sickness, that it created a cause, that it showed what the cause was, what is the cause of that sickness, And almost every single time, probably at least thirty to fifty specific references, the cause was always doing something that God said out to do a sin. There are examples where something happens and it was simply an accident or you know, I catch COVID, that's not sin, right, But there are other things that have a sin root. And that's why I think what I'm saying is about ninety percent dealing right with this, because not one hundred percent of everything is tied to sin, so that blind can be one of those. So I'm going to push you to non religious. Okay, okay, great, now, let's talk let's talk about energy, let's talk about quantum field, let's talk about all of those things for people that are kind of pushing away from the word sin, which quite frankly I'm doing too.

37:43 Okay, good, I'm totally totally cool with them. Yeah, totally. As we look at that, you know, obviously, as we look at karma, you know, our actions created a certain result. But let's let's talk about that mindset. Let's talk about what happens when we are in some way involved and it becomes internal within us, and whether it's imprints that have occurred as childhood or something that we've done that we do allow guilt chain. To affect us. As we start to release that from our bodies. In my mind, that's also when the healing starts to occur.

38:25 So for those that are not religious. In any respect and so forth, recognizing that there's energy that's tied to all of our behavior, in our actions, and as we start to recognize that, as we start to do that introspective work. You know, you're talking about prayer as very specific chanting of certain prayer type of things, but also as we talk about meditation and the fact that we are really introspectively identifying and you're right, there's an energy and a spirit that brings that to mind. And as we recognize that, and as we start to release that and allow that to be released, then we start to experience that healing. And I just wanted to bring that up because as again, as I say, I think that there's a lot of people out there that really get pushed back by the words that are being used at sin and repentance and that type of thing.

39:23 No question that you know, we're here to become better people. We're here to become you know, to the point that our behavior literally reflects who we are. And as you're suggesting, a lot of the illness that we experience is a result of what we have done based on you know, whatever that happens to be. So, I think for people that are looking to all of what you're talking about, okay, but they don't have that religious background that you have, how how do they do that? If they're ready to go okay, prayer? You know, I'm not feeling comfortable with this.

40:08 So how do you help those people change the words, change the concept enough that they can follow the same process, experience the same type of healing that occurs in a way that's comfortable for them. So, if I were to speak to someone who has some sort of a pain or sickness or illness that they want to get rid of, and they're concerned about the words of sin and repentance, the first thing I would do is I would say, if the word sin and repentance, or if what they connotate ends up being true, then would you be willing to try it? Because watch this, if I repent of something, I don't believe any of this.

40:50 I've got this, I've got this pain in my back that's been hurting me for a long time. I don't believe any of this. Would I be willing to try it? God, if you're really up there, there's anything that I did that this back pain is tied to bring into my mind? And getting upset at your mom when you were seven years old and holding in and grudge against her ever since comes to mind, then why don't you just try I forgive my mom for what you did at seven years old, and I break all negative connections between her now, God, prove it all right? If that was you take my pain away. I mean, the worst thing that can happen is nothing happens, right, But what if it is true? But you bring up a really cool point, and I do want to touch on this. This isn't the only way for healing right. Frequencies here, there's a lot of in some of the alternative health things. You've got frequencies.

41:40 You have meditation, you have psychotherapy, especially healing trauma. Just kind of going back and addressing the issue usually at early child age. Childhood forgiveness has a lot of scientific medical background behind. Unforgiveness starts to wear your body down and you get all kinds of sicknesses and diseases. But if you just forgive, it gets your body out of fight or flight mode and allows your body literally to heal. So we see a lot of the modalities of healing that are they all kind of seem to point that there's something unique, and especially when you get into meditation, get into frequency healing, get into things of that sort.

42:21 Medical science doesn't have an answer for that, but there's something else out there, right, Yes, But that's what I would suggest is don't don't let the words hold you back. Yeah, And I think you hit on the point. Is there is something out there. There is there is that energy, There is that frequency, whatever you want to call it, that is there and it's universal and as we can start to tap into it. And what's interesting is most people that are tapping into it refer to source or the divine within, you know, and not wanting to get into this whole concept or the great light. I mean, yes, yeah, all of those words if they don't matter what word you use, right, they're all kind of well, we're talking about the same thing.

43:06 And the point is is that as we do that so often, we're able to be healed. So as we close today, two questions. Number one, all. Right, hey, before we close, we're recording this, right, you can get this part out. Okay, No, we're recording this. So can you add something on how do people find you? And how do they find your book? Okay? Really easy? The way they find me and the way they find my book or really at the same spot. So the book is called the Prayer of Freedom, and the way you find it is you add the word book at the end, and it's now the Prayerfreedombook dot Com. The reason for that is if you all, if you just type in prayer freedom like on Amazon or on Google or someplace, there's so many prayers and freedom she'll never find it. But the Prayerfreedombook dot com excellent. Thank you.

43:59 And the last thing is what would be your final message to the audience. You know, My final message is I've seen nine out of ten people consistently, regardless of religious beliefs, whether agnostic or atheists, consistently getting healed by applying this process. The book has a worksheet in it, step by step instructions that you can do on your own. So my final word is, if you're sick and tired of being sick and tired and in pain, nothing else has worked, try the prayer freedom. You have nothing to lose. And even if it doesn't works, in the book back you get thirty days and the booksellers will give your money back. So now you got a money back guarantee on it as well. That's great, Hey, Beaty, thanks so much.

44:39 It's been a fascinating conversation. Yeah, well, thank you. I really enjoyed it, doctor die I really appreciate it. Falks, thanks for listening, and I hope you're getting something out of this. And again, as we talked about, you know, take everything that's being said and apply it to your understanding because the reality is there is truth and what's being taught here by Betty, and I think ultimately you can experience some amazing miracles in your life if you're willing to do that. So anyway, this is doctor Doug saying, thanks so much, appreciate it. I hope you'll join us again soon. No mistay,