Transcending Anxiety: From Fear to Freedom

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0:44 Denzel Washington, welcome to inspire vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to do the same. Fabulous, thank you for having me. On. As to have new people people and then they all have a slightly different and I find that so and so so important because because I identify different differently, so you know, first person person won't be So I'm really really excited to talk about what I love love for you, your journey, what, what, what? What brought you to this this what experience? Your life. Were you ready writing book this whole thing? Wow?

1:33 You start off spicy, because that's a big. One, and you know, please please, And. You already said two things that made me want to have an immediate knee jerk reaction. One word you used, I'll use. The second one to use is that some people feel and other people may not, depending on the guest. And my intention and and my work is helping people move from knowing to feel. Because until we feel truth, knowing it is useless. So I hope that everybody I can touch everybody at one moment to feel our truth. Okay, okay, okay.

2:14 That was one knee jerk, and the other was identity. I struggle so much with identity because ultimately we want to get to the I amness. So when someone asked, but you said, you said something better. You said, but I'll talk about your journey. About your journey, you didn't say who are you? So you made it much easier. What brought me here is I've always been a seeker, doctor dog. I've always been a secret, and I've always I remember I can remember as young as I don't even want to say an age, but as we be as I was always like what, like why are we here? And why am I life like this? And why is this life this person's life like this? And why is my religion or my culture or my skin color? Like why am I different? And and sort of having these like huge questions about existence. And so as a child, I had an amazing parents, an amazing I've got three brothers, but there's six of us. But my dad was the engineer, the analytic, the process orientor the root cause that the you know, thinking things were always through the mind. So I adopted and very I adopted that tasting of like being analytical, was very strong in the sciences, very strong in the maths, and went into engineering just to follow in my father's footsteps, not really knowing what it was.

3:32 So did my bachelor's, master's mechanical engineer and approached life from a very mindy, very analytical, very architectural point of view. And then I have a beautiful, loving mother and she's very compassionate and loving and connecting and family and growth and and and be the best that you can. And spirituality was important and religion for both my parents, but she gave us the bubble of love. So I also had this like love of life and laughter and zeal and this beautiful embodiment of life from all of the love and the connection and these ideals of my mom Pinton. So fast forward, fast forward, had my children, bothering taught me so much, and professional engineer, software board, all these buzzwords that make you feel and look on piece of paper very successful. And then a moment came the other day.

4:30 Someone called it my tower moment, a divorce. The relationship was no longer healthy. There was things that weren't sustainable, and for me, that was the greatest, biggest failure that could be. And all of the house of cards that I built crashed, and my identity the second time. The first time, my identity sort of crashed of being a mother, so going from professional to motherhood, but my identity crashed and who am I? Not only did I lose a partner, I also lose the family structure that we had. I also lost the identity of being a successful I'm going to put that in quotes and cursing. And couldn't even maintain a relationship with someone that I committed to for the rest of it. And so all of this crashed, and in there that those ass things started coming up really loud again. Because I was happy and satisfied in life, even though I wasn't satisfied in my relationship. I was like, I am lucky and I should be fortunate, and vice is the amazing and I have everything because I did.

5:30 But with that crash came all these amazing questions, and in there I developed my voice. In sight Timer supported me, I'd go on there, do meditations. I nested all day and did meditations and fed myself so I could feed my kids. I knew I had to be full to feed them. And ultimately, after listening to so many meditations, I said, hey, I could do this, and I could hear in people's voices. I could hear I could hear their resistance, I could hear limiting thoughts, I could hear limiting beliefs, and so in there started my journey of my voice. So I'll pause because it's a throw it back to you, doctor Doug.

6:10 Okay, that's fascinating. You know you said a lot of area that I imagine, and the first first thing I want I want to focus focus on and is not not who I am or you know you not not journey. More more importantly, I am and and and I think that that's I know what you mentioned religion, the family, what religious I'm from from? Uh? Which which is I. Actually deliberately don't say. And I'm happy to share, but I deliberately don't say, because then that puts me in the box of identity. And ultimately, I believe at the end of the day, we're all the same and I am.

6:52 And there's a mystery, and everybody calls this mystery different words, whether it's God or the universe or Buddha or energy or vibration. So I am happy to say and I do say. But for me, my kids are like, Mom, why don't you, you know, want to talk about feminism? And I'm like, because I want us to get to all I am this. I want to get to where we see each other for the uniqueness that we individually show up as, and not our political party, not the skin color, and not our hair type and not our eye color, and not where we came from, because all of that is what divides ourselves and divides our ego. Well well, and I appreciate, And you're right, that's as far as as you know. You know where self come from?

7:44 And what I what? I what I is is from a lot of a lot of different and we may make a different different things, but the same same time, it's there there, and and I think it's a lot a lot of people really really believe that. And and then that's what a lot of people they have that line with and I had that. That's the ash process. What what you came from? First? First a broad a book about it, motivated book. Okay, so my voice started to come up. And it's so interesting because I do a lot of meditations and lives, and in there I always guide my listeners too to look for where resistance might be. And I always come to my jaw and my throat, which is ultimately not speaking my truth. So as I started to do the meditations, I out would come frameworks. So first of all, let me tell you my company's name is. So it's my name.

8:51 Manel means attainment in Arabic. So I took the M and put it in front of attained attain an ultimately, I'm about attained. Attain means attaining the life you desire, attaining your authentic truth. And ultimately, doctor Doug, speaking to your your reference, we all know, we all know we might articulate our knowing differently, So somebody might use the word god, somebody might use the word universe, somebody might use the word a law. But at the end of the day, it's this knowing of truth. Our expression of it is what comes out uniquely, but the truth is all synonymous. It's all the same.

9:37 Challenge. You're there, okay, I don't we all? We all do and I and I as challenge for people is there's a lot of that don't recognize that that is within them, and then that is within them. And I think the process why why we are, quite honestly, is how we can start to identify and realize that there's so many that's all.

10:17 Okay, I accept your challenge, and you're right, and you're right, you're dead on. So the language was poor, but sometimes it's deliberate because I like to empower us to know. We know, But you're right. Many of us are walking around unaware. Many of us are walking around with our eyes closed, our ears shut, remote and just streaming from pain and suffer and struggle and the hardness of life. Many of us are disconnected from our truth. And because of that, they're coming back to the question that you ask that I haven't answered yet. My book is called Transcending Anxiety from Fear to Freedom because of that, we're in anxiety or depression. We're in fear, we're in anger, We're in disconnection, we're in pain, we're in suffering, we're in struggle. We're in all these things because we're disconnected from our divine nature and our divine truth. So my language was sloppy, but sometimes it's deliberate when it's empowering, because I want all of our listeners to know. We know if you just close your eyes and there are moments.

11:23 Even though doctor Doug, I agree with you one hundred percent that some people are walking around not knowing, but even those people, there are moments, whether they're I don't know why, I'm going to choose this example rollerblading or surfing or driving, or cooking or baking around the kitchen table with their families, there's moments that they know and they are laughing from a heartfelt place. They are feeling love, and they're feeling that. Maybe maybe just this glimmer, the small, the small, little ray of feeling like, oh, life is complete, and I appreciate being here, and maybe. The other nine nine point nine ninete nine nine nine percent the ayac. Well, well, yeah, yeah, I mean we we see that time now right now now in the United all the anger and the vision and it's I mean I have friends friends that that you know, they they were you know at least nex connection friends friends all of a sudden sudden all of this anger and host post hosting things on what what's going on? And and and so as we say that, you know you do you know what you what? You call them? That method?

12:41 What is that? And let's let's go to I know I know them to have a number of story where with somebody? But could you hear one and then that story sory? Id you tell the really really struggling and then your melodology you were you? Yes, I would love to. It's another big question, but yes, absolutely, this is fine. Okay. So my method developed the more that I was trying to articulate during my meditations and my talks and my blogs the steps too. I got to use the word surrender, but it surrenders what the word that developed over time, but the steps to feel.

13:27 At the beginning, I was looking for happiness, like I thought happiness and and now I call it X and X co be happiness, joy, flow, ease, surrender, laughter, abundance, whatever it is that we're looking for. So ultimately step one we already discussed it. Step one is just awareness, just awareness, if we just stop and become aware. And I sort of danced around loving the word resistance and again writing my meditations and talks. When I asking people to go into their bodies, I would say, see if you could feel sadness, and I'm like, nonl what if they're not feeling sad, See if they're feeling this specific thought of not being good enough? And I'm like, oh, now you just planted it, because that's what remember I said to you had listened to meditations, and then I'd feel good. But then they'd plant seeds in mind like wait, I wasn't thinking that, and then they planted it, and they're attempt to unplant it and take out a weed.

14:23 They plant something. So I started to use generic terms such as resistance and resistant thoughts, and rather than name it, I give you the essence of we're looking for things that are troubling, but you use your language, you use how it's impacting you. It's so interesting. I'll use a work with client, and I'll say something and they'll say, no, no, I don't feel like I don't feel like I'm not good enough. And then they'll turn around and say I feel like I'm bad. So just that distinction exactly. So I will say something and it's so so clear to me that this is what the root of it is, and they'll go no, no, no, no, and I'm like, okay, okay, So now I even say, this is what's coming to me, how would you verbalize it? And then there's this very slight tweak. So maybe it's not orange, but maybe it's burnt red. And there's a distinction between orange and burnt red is big enough that when I say orange, it doesn't resonate with them. So I started to come up with a framework that brings everything again the engineer, to the root cause, to the lowest common denominator. So instead of naming all these things, naming, shame, naming, guilt, naming, anger, naming all this, I say, what's your resistance? So ultimately I recognize that. So there's five steps and then I'll move through them. Step one is awareness, but it's awareness of our four bodies. Okay, they have four bodies or bodies are talking are physical. These are the physical sensations.

15:55 So you know whether your neck hurts. I talked about my jaw and my throat that I could feel it opening up in a lot of energy in here because I want to speak my truth. People carrying things on their shoulders, carrying the load of life on their shoulders, they're back or they're abdomen is not feeling. That you can. So there's chakra like relation between resistance in our bodies and what we're feeling. So physical body, this is our physical sensation. Then our emotional body. Doctor Doug, I know you've had many podcasts about emotions and we're all we're all repressing them. We're all repressing them. This is our command center when we listen to our heart when we're happy, when we don't, we're upset, sad, depressed, and angry. So it's of wareness of what your emotional command center is saying to you. And I say how are you feeling?

16:47 They say I woke up in a bad mood. No, No, how are you feeling? Sometimes there's three or four questions to get to I'm sad, I'm angry, I'm scared. It's so trusting how many layers we have to get through for someone to technowledge emotions. So the emotional body, awareness of our mental body. These are where there's so much going on right now about limiting thoughts in the mind. And but and and so this is where our processing has and not being able to control our thoughts. And this is where I'm unique, doctor Doug, that you can't control your thoughts without recognizing that there's a belief set, a belief set that's ultimately forming the lowest common denominator.

17:33 We got to go to beliefs to recognize how they're impacting our thoughts. Well, challenge is sometimes it's so so trust they don't you don't even know what's that you have awareness to find? Wowow I mean, I mean I always always ask if you're not in too much too much trouble, you know, you know, and when then have happened you see someone? What one emotion for you from this? And whatever? Why? Why? Why? Why? And all you said, you know, there's there's things have child, childhood, there's whatever whatever had happened to be that that's those those emotions which really are not not the interest all right, anyway, you've got God, the emotional and then and then what's the next one.

18:36 The egoic. The egoic is where we hold our identity in our beliefs. The egoic is ultimately where you said to me, he said, now I'm going to challenge you. Not everybody knows our truth. And this is where a lot of spiritual bodies call this the spiritual, like a lot of yo god, reiki and all they call this the spiritual body. I like to call it the egoic because spiritual implies there's resistance. This is exactly where the resistance resides in our goic body. And I believe that it's unconditional three. So there's three things that we have forgotten. We are unconditionally worthy. We have forgotten that we are love. We're looking for love, We're looking to be loved. We're looking for love. We are love, we are love. And then ultimately freedom. We're thinking that we're controlled and we're out of control, and we're looking for control, and we don't want to control, and we want to control. But ultimately we are all unconditionally free. And I call this the unconditional three. So worthiness, being good enough, perfectionism, all these things, love and freedom and Ultimately, when I'm working with now, you ask me to give a client example, and I talked a lot becaus I wanted to frame everything.

19:54 When I work through with my clients, we go through this pro hype steps. So step one is awareness of your four bond bodies, and ultimately everything comes back to the belief set. And so what's not wanted is the opposite of what's not wanted is what's wanted. So if I don't want to be respect i've respected disrespected, I want to be respected. If I don't want to be somebody to be mean to me, I'm looking for love. If I don't want to be looked, if I don't want to be controlled, I'm looking for freedom. So everything that we're in pain from is because we're having an experience of something that's unwanted, and ultimately the opposite of this is what's wanted. So step one is awareness. Step two is an acknowledgment of everything is pushing on our desire for worthiness, freedom and love. And then so that's five steps. Four bodies, three states worthiness, love and freedom, three desires sorry, two states having it and have not.

20:55 When we're in pain, it's because we don't have it. And when we have it, we're in happiness, and that all leads to surrender. So I said this so sloppily that it looks so complicated, but the framework is then becoming aware. So let's go through a client. They come in and they said that they're fearing, very anxious and stressed out. And so I'm like, okay, fear and anxieties and acknowledged fear. It's fear that we're not seeing. So let's go and see what's going on in your body. So they go through their body and they're like, oh, there's tension in my shoulders and my heart feels really pained. So I say, okay, great, let's move from the physical sensations and see the emotion. I'll say, oh, I feel really really angry. Like okay, so what's the story. Let's go to the story. Oh, this morning my child was really disrespectful and upset me. And so then say, okay, let's go to the top. What's the belief that ultimately triggered this, The belief that I'm not a good parent, that I'm not good enough, that I'm out of control.

22:01 So in there will come a flood of what are the ultimate beliefs that sparked the series of tangential expressions of the four bodies. And then once you realize that you're not good enough or you're not feel free. There's almost this surge of relief that comes over people because you got to the root cause and the and the reason we're hurting, doctor Doc isn't because our child was disrespectful to us. It's because we believe that we're not good enough, and by seeing that expression, we will leave that pain. Okay, okay, go on one.

22:41 Typically, just the awareness of the physical sensations, the anger, the my ex my child, my this, my that did this to me? Oh my god, I feel like I'm never going to get this right, feel like I'm not good enough, so tired in life? When is this going to end? Starts to create this bubbles of like allowing the resistance that we're holding in our body to percolate to come out, and then there'll be more awareness underneath that anger. Is actually sadness, the sadness that we had repressed for maybe a lifetime, And maybe you will go back and it will trigger thought of them being at home and sad or I've had people remember wetting themselves and being yelled at rather than being nurtured and cared for.

23:38 So it will remind them of an event. Because usually I call it the deconstructing. I call it the cookie cutter that when we have a particular misbelief, it's a lifetime of misbeliefs. And for those beliefs and those that believe in prior lives, they might even see it happening. Or those will not believe in generational stories, they will see it replicated in their mom or their dad and their grandparents. So I actually, when they're really willing to be aware, I'll say, well, where did you get this from? Go into your mom's womb. And at first they're like, I'm not going to know, and then they imagine themselves into their mother's womb, and they can feel the energy of their mother's fear, their mother's anxiety, and see where all of these beliefs are coming from. It's conditioning. It's the architecture of the human design, it's the architecture of life.

24:33 So how do you get upset when you recognize this is the architecture. We're just vibrational beings picking up these these vibrational manifestations in our four bodies. And we're meant to become awake, become through awareness. Well I'm really reallyglar and and when it really really you're not not good enough. And I worked to working somewhere why when I when I my servation and and and and they were they were they were they were sweet Sweden and they say, so you know what, they're even even deeper by us that they were were saying that you my mynors and so ultimately were not connected.

25:21 And and they take the process which was a little more and more and and and then programming and ultim I was in I was the womb and in then no, my my mother brother yellow yellowed my dad and saying you're no good And it's like wowow and and I and I think people people are set. It's such a such a point point is that we have that we've got got the n an a memory, whether parent and gurn and rhetoration fast that that's just so amazed how now that come out out and we have I have no necessarily where it came from, but but just just word awareness that there, that that that there there. I think that particulation ticularly were and become and ultimately recognized I guess what. It's not me. It's something that mean I will go.

26:29 Beautiful, beautiful, And ultimately, what we're doing in there, doctor Doug, is we're deep personalizing the experiences that we're having. And leaning into the mystery of life. I use the word mystery because again it goes to the lowest common denominator. I don't like using the word God, because even the God. I love God, I love God. But it's a word that can get other people to react. So I say, mytory, the mystery, that there's a greater why, and lean into your beliefs. And so if your beliefs are in God, then lean into that and say, there's a greater mystery that we're here for something beyond the human physical journey that I'm experiencing. And once you can depersonalize and come out of it all of this, I'm gonna call it pain.

27:21 All of these manifestations, all of these expressions start stop being so personal, even these interactions your your your spouse, your your children, your family members. It stops becoming so personal, and it starts becoming we can start to become more objective about well you. Talk about you can I about it. You're talking talking about but you're talking talking about I thought about I don't know book about about and he's talking about suffering and now ultimately can we get to get a point where where we do need to not suffer? But all to do with ego? And how how how do you lay like ego? Uh, they are hard to go go and then cause houses do things and then feel like you're like fans got to have how to have got to have house? What what happened to be? How does that lately back to those individual in French whatever whatever means to come from? How do you find that that lately?

28:36 And how do you how do you help me to starting to eleminate that that ego go literally effecting their lives and not not a positive way. Okay, first of all, how I have to say I love you and you keep asking me like these big questions that I'm given like these I haven't even said the five steps yet. I'm like I still have said that. Always. That's why I'm like, am I you closing? No? Now are you closing your answers? But I love that question. And me and I have a spiritual girlfriend, like obviously she's a girlfriend, but she's the one that we do the spirituality, howow together? And she's like, why are we like we ask ourselves the big questions. And today, even the morning before we got onto this, there's big texting about why do we have to do this? You know, why do we have to go through expansion? And I'm like, oh, it's not the expansion in hurts. It's not the growing, it's the growing pains. So the ego, Okay, I believe we all have an ego, we all have an ego.

29:33 If there is a part of my mind, if there's a part of me that I'm going to have, so I'm telling you the reason I call it the egoic body, if there is a part of me within me, then manw manw al Ramley, she's gonna love it. She's going to love it because I have learned that to be in the best place, I need to love my body. To be in the best place, I need to love my my myself like love my heart. To being the best place, I have to find respect and honor and love for my mind. And so if I have an ego, then I have to love it. So my question was, why are we framing it as bad? And how do I love it. So this is where I turn and the reason I used the Goic body because again, just like I said, we all know truth, and you challenged me on that and I said, yes, doctor Doug, You're right.

30:27 There are so many of us walking around unaware. I want this goic body to be used in a way that we start seeing it as our mental body, our emotional body, as physical body, as some part of our body. Now, what hurts and what I believe you Kurt Tole is talking about is a resistant ego. The resistant ego. This is the ego that does not believe that we're good enough. This is the ego that's looking for love rather than realizing we are love. This is the ego that looks and feels out of control rather than realizing we are freedom. And ultimately, this non existent ego, this is the one that walks around and everybody loves Manow. They love how she shows up, They love her. This is my ego.

31:07 So I don't know if you'd listened to Abraham Hicks or listened to your listeners. Okay, I really I know that she's channeling, but that's esther, that's esther. Sometimes I can receive her the same messages. I'll be listening to it and I receive a message and I'm like, oh no, she's not saying, oh you humans, She's saying, celebrate your humanness. So Manow's ego picks up the channels of Abraham, that Abraham that Esther is receiving, because I'm receiving it too. Even though it's on audio, we can still receive it. I'm picking it up. And sometimes me and her would say exactly the same thing. And sometimes I'd be like, oh, Esther, no, that's not how what they said. And then sometimes I'd be like, oh, wow, Esther, I heard it more distorted.

31:57 And so I appreciate that you're clean and vibrationally in that way, and that you received it in a way that I can expand my self worth, expand my self love, expand my my understanding of freedom. So our egos are distorting and listening and perceiving, and once we get to this non resistant ego, and I believe that's where sort of our un infinite connection to source becomes. So when I know, yes, all right, I know I appreciate and you're. Different than what I and I but but I, but I appreciate because that resist and then that's really really causes us to try to try to do good when fact, you know I am. That was good. So go at number one.

33:01 Step number one is awareness of the four bodies, going two. Step number two is acknowledgment of what is desired. So when we're in pain, with step one, we're saying, I don't want to be disrespected, I don't want to feel anger. I don't want to be hated, I don't want So there's all these what we don't want in step one when we become awareness, and then step two is acknowledgment of what is desired. And it's always in always some version of the unconditional three that I want to be good enough. I want to feel worthy. I want to be valued. I want to be seen. I want to feel love. I want to feel loved. I want to be happy. I want inner peace, I want to feel free.

33:43 I don't want to be controlled, I want to be free. So step two is acknowledgment of what is desired. So step one is like I'm in pain, my four bodies are screaming out. Step two is like, oh my god, I just want Step three is about appreciation, and I put up my finger like this for anybody that's watching it to say, it's not intellectual appreciation. I am not turned around and intellectualizing. I should be happy first world problems. Da da da da. Now I'm embodying a recognition of If we go back doctor Doug to the conversation that we talked about this awesome curiosity, that's like, oh my god, I heard it in the womb. My mom was saying that to my dad. There's a vibrational element to this.

34:28 This is the conditioning of life. There's a greater mystery, and I'm part of this mystery. So we stop personalizing it in the physical body, and we move out and we start to have this sort of spiritual understanding and compassion for the physical being from a higher state. I call it, go into a third party observer, look at it from outside of your body. See what would God think, what would Jesus say? Whatever it might be that gets you outside of your paid and into a greater level of awareness. Step three is appreciation. Then step four is my favorites. They're all my favorite steps. Step four I used to call it letting go and release, but it felt like you needed to do something now. Step four is just allowing. Allowing, allows the sensations. If you somebody died, you're going to actually be sad. The pain is the resistance to the sadness, not the sadness. Allow the expressions, Allow the physical sensations go into your body and dance with the anger. Allow it. And that doesn't mean kicking the wall. Or one of my clients would say, man, all, I don't want to kick the dog, and I'm like, no, that's not what I'm saying. Just allow the percolation of the anger to come to the surface, and was that surface comes and what's left behind is your truth, your light, your embodiment of everything, your infinite power. And then step

35:58 five is surrender by the surrender. Surrender. If I had to pick one word that I love in the human the human journey, it would be surrender. And so it's mastery of sort of like mastery of steps one through four takes us into surrender. And so something happens in life and we're surrendered because we recognize that there's a higher meaning, that there's a mystery, that everything is okay, and not from an intellectual but just sort of like life, and we're surrendered to accepting the unfolding of life by our maker, by the universe, by vibration, and we're just sort of in surrender.

36:40 Okay. So your story of lady that you were real quickly, why why? What was? And had stem only I have. Quick Okay. The end result is a sense peace. The end result is a sense of inner understanding. So it moves from personalizing what's going on to a such sense of compassion for the complexities of the manifestations of the human's expression. And I'm just trying to say it quickly because you asked me. But what what my clients, slash followers, slash listeners end up The feeling that they end up getting is a sense of empowerment, a sense of appreciation for any expression of their emotional body. So one of my clients, and I don't know if I'm going off tag, but I feel like I'm answering your question.

37:53 The way that. They got broke up. They were dating somebody and broke up on a weekend. He handed up, like really badly breaking up with her, and she was really upset, and she said, I said to myself, what would MANW do? WWMD, what would MANW do? And she said that she just honored what she was going through. That she honored that she was sad, She honored that, she recognized that it made her feel unworthy. She honored that it felt like am I ever going to find love? And she went straight to her egoic body and went to the root cause of her pain, which wasn't that he broke up with her. There's a million fish in the sea. It was that from there it reinforced this misbelief that she is not good enough. And when she went to that, and she nurtured that feeling that she had the sense of empowerment and recognition that she's a human on this human journey and she's meant to grow and expand, and some of her growth and expansion is her recalibrating to her infinite unconditional worthiness, love and freedom. And we will only be fully calibrated to it in an infinite matter when we die. But you know, everybody's like, now, when are we going to get it? I'm like, where we go?

39:07 Well, well, and yeah, and I love and I love love this because well, just render, render, And here's here's the coom that as as we render, we become impal Howard. And you know people who can think about that that way when they are surrender rendering there and they're not. The bottom line line is what you're taught about one render, render and all all the stage recognize where these feelings they render it to it. Maybe Howard and and I and I love that as as we close for you, sure you talk about a lot of things. What what some your my mind? As far as message that you you tore about the audience.

39:53 I would love to share with the audience that we are so fortunate to be on this uman journey. That when we can embrace this and embody this authentic from our four bodies excitement, zeal, celebration of our unique human experience which is all of the range of emotions and experiences, then the taste of life starts to come from a place of peace, ease, flow and surrender. And I believe in end that we can also enjoy the physical manifestations, the large house, the car, the bank account, the adventures, but when we do it from a place of surrender and celebration and not from a place of ego want and it measuring our worth, our love or in our freedom.

40:53 That's what I want to share. Celebrate our humanness. I love it. I love it. Thank you? So how did people find you? They can find me on my website www dot mattain dot com and if you go www dot mattain dot com slot join us. There's some goodies that I'd love for them to get. I'm on insight Timer MANW Mattaine m A T t a I N. And I'm on all of the major social media Instagram and Facebook and YouTube as Mattaine m A T T A I N by man L m A n a L and LinkedIn on MANL. L. Ramley. So I'd love for to be connected, and I said insight Timer, yes I did so, I'd love for them to reach out. Oh and my book on Amazon Transcending Anxiety from Fear to Freedom by MANW. L. Ramley E L hyphen r A M L Y. That's where they can find me. And I'm excited. This was such an amazing conversation. And you push me, you pushed me, doctor Dogman. Well, I'm glad.

41:53 I'm glad you have surrendered to that because I've had other people say, Man, you asked some tough questions sometimes, but that's been wonderful. It's been wonderful. Man. Now, thank you so much, and folks, I hope you really have enjoyed this. This is so fascinating and manal. You've offered such incredible insights and I love how you've approached this, so thank you so much for that, and thank you so much for what you're doing in making a difference in people's lives. Fabils, and I'd like to thank you too. You're just so I want to see the word complex in a good way. And I really enjoyed today's conversation and I appreciate everything that you are giving back to the world as well.

42:38 Oh well, thanks and folks, thanks for listening. I hope you've really enjoyed this one, and I hope that you'll join us again soon on one of our next shows. This is a doctor Doug saying, Nona stay