Recognizing Societal Influences and Rediscovering Self: Discovering Your True Self

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0:44 Denzel Washington, Welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to do the same. Aaron, Welcome to the show. Allo, Doctor Derek, thank you for having me. Oh, I'm excited. You know, interesting topic and probably going to be an interesting number of topics that we're going to talk about today. I'd love for you to share with the audience who you are, because I know you have an incredible background on Wall Street and suddenly now here you're doing your podcast, which my impression is it's entirely different than Wall Street, so maybe a little bit of it, but share with the audience who you are, what you've done in the past, and what brought you to this point where you're doing your podcast, which is Evolved Podcast, right.

1:33 Yeah, the Evolved Podcast is the name of the podcast. It's recently been changed. Originally titled The Manhattan Profit. I found people were sort of gravitating to it for looking for something kind of religious, which is really not what it is if it's if you listen to it, which I know you have, and I felt that it needs to be rebranded a little bit just to fully encompass what, you know, what what the podcast is about. So yeah, so, you know, kind of very quickly, I've I've been on Wall Street for about two decades. I've kind of you know, I started as a uh, you know, low level analyst about you know, twenty years ago, and I've kind of ascended to the point where I was able to to co found and and manage as a manji partner in my own hedge fund. So I've really kind of seen it all, been there, and it's it's really I think a combination of my innate desire from a in the early age to understand things, you know, why things are the way they are in the world, why systems are set up the way they are, you know, to the to the basic why people hold the belief systems that they do right. And I kind of went on the the the path of Wall Street because I was always interested in how the you know, the corporations work. I remember I remember watching on CNBC, you know, kind of all the numbers go across the screen, you know, the

3:06 stock markets and things like that. I was interested what the heck that was and that, you know, that along with a desire to make money, obviously drove me to the industry. And I think that you know, the the innate desire and curiosity, interest and my experience has really given me a very interesting perspective, if you will, on a lot of the topics I discuss, and I think has cultivated a again again unique understanding and something that I hope, you know, my listeners and this conversation with your listeners is impactful. Well, and how how did you come up with your podcast?

3:47 And obviously the focus is, as you say, more on the you know people and so forth. What how did you come up with the podcast idea and motivation for that. Yeah. So look again, my journey, I would say, in in discovery and in really in truth was to get a proper construct understanding for the way society is structured, the way people decide or elect to do things. And it's it's taken me across a number of platitudes. Has taken me from you know, looking into belief systems too, economic systems, to social systems, to you know, delving into ancient knowledge to modern day religious institutions. What what you find is and and I actually remarkable is how the different topics or issues, if you will, transcend multiple planes.

4:44 This is kind of a constant theme where anything from a metaphysical understanding to a you know, self identity understanding to social systems in our society, right. It really, it's it's a very interestingly surprisingly linear sort of relationship. And I think that as I especially you know, especially through my experience at Wall Street and seeing that end of things and seeing kind of you know, the society that that I'm a part of, it really gave me a very interesting understanding. And and and my and my topics, I would say, are really rooted in providing people with a lot of knowledge, the most importantly perspective, and letting people have the tools to look at these different topics in a unique way that they that they maybe wouldn't have or haven't before. And as and as I say, I think that it's really with giving people perspective and hoping that that sort of aha moment takes place and that resonates with them in some way they can make connection and then they can maybe look into other other topics like that. So so yeah, that's I guess that's that's kind of high level.

5:59 Okay, And you know, it's so interesting. Every once in a while, I'm you know, I do a lot of social media stuff with my podcast, so I'm on there once in a while, and every once in a while I'll see something on say TikTok and it's like really and so I'll you know, do a little research on it and it's absolutely not true, and yet the person who's speaking seems to really believe it. So when we start talking about perception and quote truth and reality, that gets to be a very very confusing situation.

6:40 It really is, and it's important to you know, taking a step back. We kind of live in especially in the West, with dealing with this kind of fractured truth apparatus, right where we have institutions, government, the medical industry, healthcare industry, education systems that are really supposed us to be at the bedrock of this kind of push for truth, to enlighten people, to help people, to provide people with the necessary information to make the right decisions in their lives. Right, they're protected serve. We want to create, you know, good stewards of society, things of that nature. We want to make sure people's health is always at the forefront. Right.

7:21 But what's happened is you have a sort of these capitalist interests that come in and they taint the information that's being sent out, and it's for their own agendas, right. And this and this is really what a lot that I talk about, which is you have a society that has really inovertly people don't realize this, but overtly been structured around a capitalist mindset, right, where the end justifies the means, where capital is king. And this creates a pervasive decay on a societal level. And then what happens is when you have people and this sort of makes sense, right, but I don't think people pick up on it necessarily when you have those belief systems. So when you have those values in society, when when capitalism and your job and corporate interests create effectively the values, it impacts the individual's belief systems. It interpacts the individual's sense of self and identity. Right, And this is really what I'm getting what I'm hammering home, and I'm hoping to enlighten people to where they might not necessarily understand why they believe the things that they do or live their lives the way that they do. And what I have found, and again, it's important to be diligent in and having the right framework for discerning truth because to your point, there's a lot of people out there who makes, you know, statements with such confidence, but you know when you look into it,

8:53 it's readily apparent that it's just not the truth. Right. But yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, go ahead, go ahead, No, go ahead. What I was going to say is I remember saying that I got when I went back to business school, and truth is what truth is for you, And you know that that's a belief. That's that's the saying. But from what I'm hearing you say, and quite Frankly, what I believe is that truth is merely a result. Truth to us is merely a result of our perception of what's going on. And what you're saying is particularly this capitalistic concept is overpowering things to the point where we are kind of programmed to believe a certain way to live a certain way, when in fact that's not really quote the truth, right exactly.

9:47 And I think that Look, and I don't know how much I don't know, homut time you spend between your respective places, which are very different from you know, from a demo, from a demographic and from a cultural standpoint, right. So, but but especially in the way you have over let's just look over the over the last you know, you know, one hundred years, right, you had this overt push through the you know, the industrial revolution with you know, the robber barons and the industrialists who you know who through I mean that they formed overtly on the open the education system in the United States. This is this is the system that we still use to this day, right.

10:28 And what you find is that the and they were outspoken, the underlying the tenets of this system was not to create I think they quote, you know, philosophers or you know, men of letters and lawyers and doctors. It was to create docile workers who would lend themselves well to the industrialist framework, right, and the bureaucratic framework. This is what they were creating. And the curriculum which was formed around the eighteenth century Prussian model, was in fact to do just that. So think, let's take us at back. Think about this. If you're if you're, if you're growing up in America, you're going to schools, going to school everything. You know, everybody's talking about the same fads and this and the that, and you've got all these things around with you know, you're a teenager. You don't you don't ever kind of take a step back and say, wait a minute, you know, why am I learning things a way that I am? Why am I sitting at a desk at the age of eight for six hours a day memorizing, learning, never questioning? You know, you never question what you learn. You never questioned beliefs. You memorize beliefs, You memorize and regurgitate. Right, you're you're you, You've been you've been schooled across you know, you've been in schooled for a while. So you understand how it works. Right, You you go and you memorize things and you regurg you and then then you get an A or a B or a C, whatever the grade is. That's not how the real world works. The real world works is you go out there, you screw up, you fail, you figure out what you did wrong, you get back up and get it again. You know, every successful person, myself included,

11:58 the reason that there's success is because of their perseverance and their desire to transcend whatever the setback is, right it you don't succeed, you don't become successful ute unquote successful unless you go through that that push and pull. Right. But but the framework you get, and this is just one example I know you get from from that indoctrination is vastly different from not only the real world, but from many other ways of viewing the world. Right. So, if you if you're corralled down this down this path, you again, you're you're you're fed a very and then you get the society as a backroup where where it's very much a materialist, consumerist driven mindset. People don't see themselves as spiritual beings, they see themselves as material beings. The sciences teach you that you know, everything's everything's material. This is not we talk about truth and not true, but this is not true, right, this is this is just not the truth. And we've discovered this right through quantum physics recently where but there's been a lot discovered recently in proto physics. But you know where we learn everything is vibration and energy. Well, this is vastly different from what you're taught for twelve years and in basic side right, so so, but it's you know, it's these little things that add up and they shape and form your sense of self and then again the way society views itself and how and then that impacts how you know, they live their lives and their behavior. Right, they live their lives in many ways through repetition and appetite. They don't

13:29 necessarily or reflex in appetite and repetition, they don't they don't necessarily take a step back again and see the big picture in what they are and then come to understand the different ways that they might you know, live their lives as a result. Okay, so you talk about education, and you went back quite a ways to the industrial agent and so forth. I'm going to hit you with the education presently, what are your thoughts on what's going on there? Remarkably you've seen very little change, which I think is lematic and I think it speaks to a lot of what I'm saying where you see these and on a grander scale, if you look at the evolution of the human being relative to you know, technological advancements, advancements across specific industries or or market sectors, right, I mean, look at the amount of investment and from infrastructure to R and D. Well, where are we now as human beings?

14:28 Have we evolved? My contention is that we have not evolved. In fact, we may have devolved. We are. Health is the worst physical and mental we are. We have bloated debt burden we have. I think we have the highest levels of in the States, we have the highest levels of consumer credit card debt I think since nineteen ninety nine by way of the Federals a make of New York. I mean, so if you look across a number of different planes here and you kind of have to kind of begs the question, you know, what has been our focus? What has been what have we decided to place our energy and attention too? And and and I think what you find is that it's it's through accumulating money, it's through working, and it's through consumption. This is not, in my opinion, the way that we should be structuring society.

15:23 And if you go back and you look at you know, the the ancient ancient teachings and even the and even the fundamental tenets of of of uh, you know, Abrahamic religions, this was not the way people wanted to live. There a lot of instructions their lives and this isn't necessarily the way that we should be, right, it's yeah. So, and and what's interesting is and you also see and that I speak to this, you talk, you know, you see people who are you know, they're there their pessimis, their their pessimists, and they're kind of overwhelmed and they feel like we're in this matrix and you know that there's too much to overcome. There's too much corruption. Then there's there's too much that's been infiltrated. And they're kind of like they put their hands up and they say, you know, it is really like I can't do anything.

16:08 A lot of what I'm doing is I'm trying to make people reassess that belief, because that's just not the way they should be thinking. And I don't want to be dogmatic, but it's just it's it doesn't, it's not it doesn't lend itself to anything positive. And in truth, if you look at the systems, right, the systems themselves are not inherently evil. It's the consciousness beneath those systems. It's the people within those systems that have decided that this is how our education system should be structured, this is how our healthcare system should be structured, this is how our government should be structured. Now, so you we do have we in fact do have the power, right, we have the power to make changes. And and people say, oh, well there's so much corruption. Well guess what if if people decide that they're not going to take the kickback, they're not going to take the bribe. Right, This requires a paradigm shift and and thought and and it's about it's about coming to these realizations. And you come to these realizations by way of awakening people too. I believe these facts, and.

17:11 Well, in that we are Yeah, yeah, let's let's talk about you know, the societal conditioning, because you know, you're talking about economics you're talking about education, but there's a whole plethora of societal conditioning that goes on besides those. And as you've as you've been doing your podcasts and interviewing people and so forth, what what would you identify as the major societal conditioning items that are going on? And you mentioned religion, so that's obviously one of them, But what are some of the other ones that you see besides just the economics and the education. I think that in the in the in the Western societal construct, I think that the main driver is money.

18:01 And I think that, and I think that has perverted and infiltrated everything from from every sacred institution to people's identity and and self awareness. I think that. And it's not necessarily Again, this is important to to state, it's not necessarily like people are just you know, dreedy, and they just want more and more and more. And they people really by virtue of the of the way things are set up, the systems for who benefits who doesn't. People have to take on this this mentality because if they don't, they can't survive. Right you you you in the West, you you must plug into the system in order to to to live.

18:49 You know, you have some not everybody has he has the fortune of being able to start a company that's hugely successful, or to go to medical school and and pursue their dreams as a as a physician. The vast majority must take a low wage job, a low wage job whose wage is not that necessarily determined by the right factors. We should be paying people more money. There should be there should be a universal basic income. When we're spending six trillion a year on you know, f fall, I mean, just just absolute garbage right around the world. We are taking you know, taxpayer dollars, and we are forcing Western Western hegemony down down the world's throats as we have been for for decades. When we are when we've elected to allow corporations to harvest and extract with you know, without any checks and balances, because again capitalist king and at least at least in this in this world.

19:51 So so we need to and I believe that we need to start in lightning people, giving them, giving them complete information and allowing them to make a decision about how they want to live their lives. If they're don't given knowledge or at least perspective. To your point, we don't make that leap. We don't make that jump. And I think that we are now as you've seen, especially with what's been revealed by the recent administration. And I'm not trying to get political. I'm talking about facts here. Wow, the level of depravity and deception and decay that has taken place as a result is just it's it's astounding, it's it's it's it's disgusting, and it's it's a it really it really only kind of further legitimizes. I believe what my effort is in many people's efforts are and giving and giving people different perspectives and different ways of viewing themselves in the world around them.

20:42 Well, and you know, as you talk about the economics and measure driving force, and I don't disagree with you. I think that that has a lot to do with it. But for people's lives, there's so many other elements. That go on. I mean, you you have, as you mentioned the word spirituality, and I want, I want for you to define for the audience what you mean by spirituality, because you talked about the Aprahamic covenand and you know that type of thing. But you know, people have lost quote their spirituality to such a large degree. And what what is your definition of spirituality? Number one? And then number two? Why have we lost that in general in society Now people say that's not true, But go ahead, I would.

21:30 Say that is true. I think, I think that that's a big component here, right, I think that when you know I have always associated by virtue of my own you know, of my own doctrination, I've always associated spirituality with religion. Right. However, as you peel back the layers of the onion, if you will, what you find is that that is, it's quite it's in many ways the exact opposite of religion. And if you look back again, if you look back at ancient that ancient knowledge, if you go back to the right, go back to even even in many ways the Greeks the Sumerians that there was an understanding, a scientific understanding, that that spirituality wasn't just about a mystical transcendence. It was it was a part and parcel to our scientific understanding of the world. Now, maybe the way that they were expressing this relationship doesn't necessarily resonate with people's consciousness today. But but spirituality again, transcends, transcends planes where you know, I believe that we are all you know, spiritual beings living in a material realm, if you will, I believe that we are all part of a sort of universal consciousness getting to know itself through different faculties and experiences. You know, we live in this realm, and it's it's about connect It's about our connection to one another, recognizing this this universal wellness, and

23:02 it's about experiencing that, experiencing yourself on a higher plane, making that connection and saying, look, I'm not just this dusts in the wind, entity that goes around, dies, goes in the ground. And that was it. That was fun. Right. This is not that, this is not, in my opinion, right in my belief, the way it is. And this is this is substantiated and legitimized through again ancient teachings, through really basic basic doctrine that you actually find when you when you go back into the old teachings, the original teachings of a lot of these Abrahamic faiths, you find that link. You find that connection. And this goes across Eastern philosophy, this goes into again the Abrahamic faiths.

23:43 There are so many commonalities, there are so many common links. They are expressed differently because there are different cultures. But people don't realize that people. People are so segmented, people are so disconnected. Right. So so again I hope that answers a question I can. I can give you more there, but I think on a basic level that that's really what it's about. It's about and it's about a personal connection to that realm, a personal connection to that field of experience. This is what real spirituality is. And just very quickly, but if you look at you know, one over example, if you'l like the Catholic Church for example, right, and and their origin and and even even in the Jewish and Islamic place, you you have this embedded patriarchy, right, Well, why do we have this embedded patriarchy? What was the reason? Well, the reason was there was a a rejection of of the feminine goddess, right it was. And this was again this is a function of of of societal, economic sort of empire driving factors. But the sacred feminine was was the mystical, spiritual part of consciousness. Right. The the male was the you know, logical rational And there are many ways of expressing this. This was expressed differently across you know, many different civilizations. But but this was rejected, right, and this was because I believe, and this was this moved all way into the into the Renaissance ages of the Enlightenment periods in Europe. I mean, the reject anything other than a materialist or to be because you had to access the divine, the spiritual, the mystical through this, you know,

25:18 this institution. Right, And it's interesting. It's interesting. I didn't mean to interrupt there, but as I've looked at it. For instance, today I was just looking at an article and it was fascinating to me because what you say about losing the feminine part of it, you know, and you know that heavenly mother or however you want to refer to that. It was interesting because you know, in many of the scriptures, particularly for Christianity, you know, man is the head of the is the head of the wife. Well you get into the original meaning of that Greek and what does it mean? He is the source? In other words, they're coequal, but he is this, you know, apparently, but he's there to be coequal with his wife and to support. And what I have found is that it's fascinating how the words that have been used, for instance, in English. And I was talking to some religious young men yesterday and talking about the fact that okay, you know, what does it mean?

26:23 What does it mean to sin? And they were going on. I said, well, what's the original Greek word or better what perfection? You know, be there for perfect? What's the better word for that? And they go, I don't know. I said, well, bottom line is if you get to the original Greek it's complete. Well that changes the whole perception and truth of be complete rather than be perfect. And then what was interesting? And I said, so, how does that? How does that equate into tie? And because he speaks Thai, and he says, you know, it's interesting. They don't have a word for perfect in Thai. He says, it's more along the line of complete. So is fascinating to me that when we look at modern day religion. In fact, what's really interesting to me is, you know, we talk about spirituality, we talk about goodness, we talk about that innate divine within us, and yet all I see so much is Catholics, this, Baptists that, Mormons, that Islam that and so on and so forth. And it's like here they are saying that they happen to belong to these various faiths and religions, and yet the very thing that is, as you say, taught from the foundation going back, and you're right, I studied it. You look at Christianity, you look at Islam,

27:55 you look at Buddhism, you look at Hinduism. Guess what they all have basically the same truths that have been taught if you get to the root cause and teachings. So it's interesting to me that somewhere along the line people have lost this concept of honoring other people. I was fascinated when I when I'm here in Thailand and I went to one particular temple area and as i was walking in, there was this other building on temple grounds, the Buddhist temple, and I'm going, what's that? And the guy said, oh, that's that's a Muslim temple, and I'm going, really, And what they've done is they incorporate and welcome everyone all different religions. And you don't see that, you know, that vehement kind of I'm kindness that exists and well you're right and I'm wrong, or I'm right, you're wrong, and type of thing. What has happened to us spiritually.

28:54 Why why has that happened? In your opinion? Yeah, And I think that this is this is the I mean, is recording a multifaceted answer, But I think that I think what you're touching on. I think that it speaks to this sort of identity crisis that I call it, where you have people that are identifying through the systems that we've created my country, my religion, my big house, you know, my big paycheck, my job. But people don't realize that's not who they are, right, not even and let's take this at a level deeper, their thoughts, their emotions, those are not you either, right, you are having your emotions and your thoughts. So when you have people and again this could be understood to be a part of this materialist understanding where when you're looking to identify and find meaning even in the world around you and of yourself, well, what are you going to do if you don't have the spiritual question? You're going to gravitate towards the things that you do in the world. Right, Again, that you're misidentifying with these uh externalized ideas or or systems. Right.

30:04 So I think that's that's a big part about it where you have this this fractured understanding. And also and people are in many ways unconscious of this, and they look and they're also blinded by you know, oh this guy has a different skin color. Oh, this guy speaks a different language. Oh this is there's a different culture here. So people are almost you know, they think by virtual of what the individual looks like. Again, a materialist understanding of the world. This guy is so different from me, this guy's is it? But guess what, they're not so different from you. We're all we all have the same faculties, we all. We all perceive things the same way, effectively taste things the same way. We all you know, we all uh. And again at the core of our systems, we all these were perverted, but we we all believe in the same fundamental things.

30:56 So it's important again in this effort to get people to to think critically, to question, to develop a curiosity if they don't have one, and hopefully in doing so they begin to look into you know, inherited belief systems. Uh, what I call to be things that are that are understood to be divine but are just never checked right. The way that one lives their life. Oh, which is everyone else are doing? This is the way society is, this is what this is what you're supposed to be doing. Why well, why are you supposed to what if it doesn't lend itself properly to you? Right and and something that you can see right away, right on a very basic level, if you look at students who don't let's say, tests well on the S A T or the MCAT or whatever whatever standardized test, it is, well, these people are not necessarily not intelligent. Not what it shows you is that the test itself is flawed. It's not accounting for the wide spectrum of intelligence. It's it's it's the still willing certain certain abilities, you know, logical deductibilities that will work well within the contract of our socioeconomic you know, uh, infrastructure, if you will, but they will be able to excel in jobs that you don't require these skills. But that right there, you are cutting people off right there and telling them that you're not smart enough, worthy enough, uh.

32:28 And that is why you are not getting the A or getting the great uh standardized test score. Right. So so it's really and I believe again if you it keeps going back to this misunderstood sense of self, misunderstood identity, materialists driven by default way of viewing yourself and the world around you. And this is I just I just had an episode of this. But if you look at globalism, right, if you really globalism is telling people it's that it's that, you know, capitalism used to be, you know, a system where people were expressing the liberal idea. Liberal not being you know, democrat, republican. Liberal being really liberal is about you know, individual self interests being tantamount to everything else. Right, So you had the liberal ideal as the driver, the liberal deals a driver, and that would bring the individual and society as a whole up. It was about the people living in a certain region and if they if they follow along this way of conducting commerce and living amongst one another, that was the best way to do the world. What's happened now is that you have capital unchained capital, without any capital, without any any responsibility to a land, to a people, to anything anything sacred, anything divine.

33:49 Right now it's it's out there. It's now it's dictating to governments what they can and cannot do. Now it's through you know, through the IMF and the World Bank and through you know, intelligence agencies. I mean this was seen, this was the CIA, or over the past one hundred years, they were effectively, you know, I end hitmen, I end you know, body guys going around pushing pushing corporate interest on on South America, on on Africa. And this was so that companies had a had an upper hand in in that in that region. Right. So, so it's really it transcends and it's it's about understanding why certain structures aren't necessarily the right way to be doing things and who those structures are benefit. You know, who those structures are benefiting.

34:45 Okay, so here's the question. We've talked to a lot of generalities here, Okay, yes, so let's talk about the individual. I know that as you've worked with individuals, you've really helped to impact their lives. And I'd love for you to share number one, yea, how how do you help them on an individual basis to deprogram from all of these societal interests and conditioning And is there a story that you can share without naming names, of where you've been able to actually help someone through that deprogramming really make a change in their life. So it's what's interesting is when you try to talk to people about these issues, what you find is that and this is I think, I think this is just kind of basic human nature. But when you when you pierce somebody's veil and and and people kind of think to themselves, you know, wait, has everything that I've thought to be true not true? You know? Am I living my life in a way that I should be. Some people look at it as as a constructive exercise. Other people are are, you know, kind of can't that it's very scary for them to take that leap to the other side. Right. But but one story that I think is worth speaking to is actually with my with my own mother and I I really for for years I

36:15 have been speaking to her about how the corporations have infiltrated our our our food system and in the States, and you have companies like you know, Monsanto for example, where they came out and they were using pesticides that killed the insects and the crops, and as a result, they patented and sold their own GMO seeds, and those GMO seeds could now withstand the pesticides, specifically glycostate, which is used It's a it's a they call it, you know, a might be carcinogen, but I think that the data speaks for itself and also has terrible impact on on on the the human the endocrine system, the reproduct the system, the microbiome in people's stomachs. So so it's it's just a it's a tragic situation, but people are not aware of this. So so anyway, I really started pushing on my mother. I said, you know, please stop eating non organic produce. Please don't buy GMO products because this stuff is this glyphas sate garbage is in everything, especially in the States. I think it's in The numbers are crazy, like of all corn, corn and soybean product is GMO laiden with glyphysate. Wow, this WASN'TO. This was into stack foods, uh, pepper farm goldfish, cheerios. I mean, this isn't stuff we

37:47 feed our children. Uh. The the wheat is just is just bounded with stuff and people don't associate or know. And and I and I begged my mother and I would send her articles and I would center And this at the time was fringe. I mean we we saw a big exposa recently, but this was very kind of French thinking. And and I said to her and she was actually she had a macrobiotic macrobiotic diet when she was younger, so I thought it would resonate with her, but it took me a long time to convince her to make that change. And I think that I think that you know that that's one way. So it's really it's starting with giving people practical things that impact their daily lives that aren't that aren't so woo woo. Where if you know, if I go up someone and say listen, I know you think that you're just this material being that's going to die and nothing happens after. I mean, it's tough to really get people to want to jump into that ship, right, So so I kind of try to start with with stuff and impact them on a on a on a daily basis. And and and you know that we go to the health industry and how that shifted dramatically by the industrialists. You know, the American Medical Association was set up, but it was a bs B S association Rockefeller and and the Fuctional Report of nineteen ten. I mean, you go back and you really see what allopathic medicine does and did and why it was introduced a full rejection of holistic and homeopathic approaches to medicine. Nutrition through medicine I mean, or medicine through nutrition.

39:18 I mean, that's the hack, right. If you eat well, your body is built to take care of itself on a you know, on a fundamental level. That obviously there are outliers there, but so this whole way of thinking, right, if you can again start small and start showing people, you know, piece of information, allow them to make certain changes, I think that's the way you do it. My mother I was able to after a couple of years, finally get her to start making these changes and remarkably, and this is the truth, what she cites has changed in her life are insane, from increased clarity to you know, from talking about the problems with alcohol consumption, I mean, just stopping drinking and not eating geno product and culture processed foods. So it's not necessarily the all the information behind how you know, the tobacco industry penetrated the food industry between the you know, the nineteen eighties and two thousands with craft Nabisco, it's not necessarily going into those detailed with some people, some people you know, that works well for them, but it's about getting people to make all changes that they can on a practical level in their lives and hoping that you know, the bet pays off that don't start feeling it and experiencing it.

40:29 So how do you how do you help people? Because when you get even deeper, and obviously you're talking about some things that are really tough to change, just like nutrition, no question about that. But as you think about even deeper aspects, you talk about religion and the effects that religion has had on people's mentality and self worth, in many cases very positive and in many cases very negative, particularly as I've interviewed so many people and that seems to be one primary situation. Or you have childhood trauma, childhood experiences that get embedded in that subconscious mind. How do you even go there? Have you tried to help people to get to that point where they understand that, you know what, I'm not even living my own life.

41:19 I am I'm living society's life. I'm living someone else's life. How do you help them to get to the point where as you talk about spirituality they really come back to the point that hey, this is who I am and this is who I can be, and it's just a matter of starting to eliminate all of this junk that's been put on us. Yeah, I think it's difficult because in many ways you have to you have to kind of be sensitive to where you're looking to attack or approach, because, for example, there are many ardent believers in Jesus, for example, right in the world of Jesus, and there is such for so, I, although I don't believe that Jesus is the son of God, I believe that the teachings that you find his teachings right are hugely beneficial and speak truth. Right. So if you have somebody who you know, who maybe doesn't fully understand the truth behind this Jesus figure, but can appreciate the teachings, you know, it's to me, it's like, you know, pick your poison here, or choose your battles wisely, because I think that they're getting something beneficial from it. Now, if you're people who are you know, kind of like in a zombie like state, believing that they're going to that they're going to find salvation through going robotically to church or to temple or praying, three becomes the date of Mecca, you know, those people are not going to get to a touch on spirituality. They're like kind of like a greyhound on a racetrack. They're chasing this bunny.

42:52 They don't know that. They think they're going to get there as long as they kiss the ring and go to mass. But they're never going to get there, right. They only get there if they allow themselves to understand the true history of their religion. Uh, and understand what true spirituality is and just very quickly, and I'll kind of answer your question better. I know that wasn't necessarily what you're looking for. But you know, people nowadays say, you know, we're in a good trajectory. You know, people are rejecting religion. They're they're they're gravitating towards spirituality. And I have two things to say to that. One thing is yes. But you know, I call the popes like the wizards. I call them like the Wizard of Oz. You know, they cast their spell and in doing so, the Christian faith. The ite of Americas is a Christian country.

43:39 They are the bedrock of our civilization cross continents. Their belief system, their way of viewing the world, their way of structuring is the underbelly of even political ideology. Political you know, great thinkers, John Locke, Thomas Hobbs. I mean, these guys were these guys were. The bedrock of of of the decoration of independence in our constitution. They were the they were the great minds that structure and they were and they were Christians, right, So so it's very difficult to separate that from today. So so people don't understand that. They think that, you know, oh, they're rejecting the institution of the church, therefore things are on the right path. No, that's not what's going on, right, That's just not the reality.

44:27 And I just I just lost my other train of thought here. But but but a. That's the point being obviously that values, if we get to the deep values, as you say, get back historically, the values are taught very similarly from all different religions, they just are. That's a fact. And yet for some reason we've tended to lost that. Now we're we're running out time, my friend. Yes, sorry, sorry, So a couple of questions. Number one, how do people find your podcast?

45:08 My podcast is across all platforms, so you can find it on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, Amazon, iHeart. It's called The Evault Podcast with Aaron Scott. I would love for you to tune in listen. I think that there's a lot of information I put out there that's perspective shifting, and I think that it'll be worth your time. Okay, And if you could leave one final message with the audience, what would that be. One final message would be to question ask questions like why, how create curiosity and look to look for answers, look to improve yourself through that endeavor. That would be my message.

45:51 I love it, and you know what, curiosity is such an important thing and it's fascinating to me. And we are going to close because we've run out of time. But the one thing that comes to my mind is I've interviewed so many people such as yourself and others. You know, they've had this incredible life as far as professionally, and yet somewhere along the line that curiosity has caused them to go beyond that economic aspect to where they're now looking at that spirituality, they're looking at that transformation. And so I appreciate what you're doing, and I hope that people come on your podcast because I think they'll get some great value. I've looked at some of them, and I think that you know, the topics are just fantastic, So Aaron, thanks so much for being.

46:35 On the show. Thank you for having me really enjoyed it. Thank you you at folks, thanks for listening. I hope you've enjoyed it. This is a doctor Doug saying no mistake.