Lift Oneself

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of the day, it's not about
what you have or even what you've accomplished.

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It's about what you've done with those
accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted

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up, who you've made better.
It's about what you've given back than Soel

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Washington, welcome to inspire Vision.
Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives

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of others and to inspire you to
do the same. Natalie, welcome to

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the show. Thank you for having
me. Doug, I look forward to

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this deep dive and playful conversation.
Yes, I do too, And you

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like to go by Nat Nat,
So if I call you Natalie versus Natinat,

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I'm not sure how that's going to
go. But anyway, what I'd

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love for you to do is share
with the audience your story and what brought

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you to this point of what you're
doing now in your life. Well,

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ten years ago I almost died.
I had lesions in my brain steming and

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my cerebellum, and I was hospitalized
for almost forty days. So they had

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to do a battery of tests,
yet each test came back atypical, but

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not finding out what the cause was
of these lesions, and so I was

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released from the hospital without a diagnosis. And without a diagnosis you don't have

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a plan, so it's almost like
you're in the wilderness. I had another

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relapse when I left the hospital.
They so they put me on pregmozone and

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morphine to help with the inflammation,
yet still not really knowing what it was

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that was causing this. Thankfully,
a year after, in twenty fifteen,

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I discovered meditation in the form of
TM transcendental meditation, and that allowed me

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to go deeply within and do a
lot of somatic releases. The teacher that

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was teaching me had told me at
the beginning, she's like most people when

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they start meditation, they usually quit
after a while because it just gets too

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much, and then they come back. And then I told her, I

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was like, I totally understand why
they let go, because there's a lot

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of stuff that we tend to push
down or avoid rather than feel our authentic

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emotions. So that TM and the
meditation allowed me to go profoundly within my

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body, feel some emotions that I
had never felt before, see the experiences

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and memories in a different perception,
not just in the eye statement, really

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seeing it in a bird's eye.
And also with the meditation, I was

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a solo parent to twin boys,
so they were five at the time,

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and usually when you learn meditation,
they tell you to create a room that's

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quiet and peaceful, and if you
have toys, you know that isn't possible.

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So I did the meditation in the
living room while they were, you

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know, playing around being children and
rambunctious, and I got to really discover

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the nervous system and how it wants
to control every little thing and analyze and

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in the meditation allowed me like,
no, that's not what you have to

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do. So it allowed me to
see the impulsivity and their reactivity and see

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how we create stories. So with
that, I just engaged more and more

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with the nervous system and a lot
of the symptoms that I had corrected themselves.

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And so with that, I really
grew the self awareness, grew expanded

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the mindfulness. And then you know, when I was doing meditation, when

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I would speak to people, people
were like, it's like you're in my

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head, like you're saying what I'm
feeling, and you get me to the

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core where I'm able to be honest
with you and I don't feel judged.

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Therefore, I started my company in
twenty nineteen called Lift Oneself, and I

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meditated on the name because it was
lift the ego, which are the defense

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mechanisms of the nervous system, so
you can come into the oneself and that

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requires you to feel your vulnerability.
Yet a lot of times during our childhood

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we created these defense mechanisms that protect
us from feeling our vulnerability. So doing

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that and then you wrote the book, right, I haven't written a book

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yet. I'm in the process of
right right now. Yeah, I know

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many people are like, where is
your book, And I'm like, ah,

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I haven't done that. Ca I'm
still parenting the twins. So they're

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fourteen now, and now I can
have more space to start really opening up

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and doing that writing, because it
takes a discipline to really be in that

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flow, in that structure. Okay, Yeah, when you sent me that

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picture, you know that I can
publish when we do this, I thought

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it was a book, and that's
why you know you've written that book.

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But you know what I'd love for
you to do though. You've used a

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lot of words here, and what
I find is being able to define them

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for the audience, especially from where
you're coming from, makes a huge difference.

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So you talk about meditation, but
you talk about transcendental meditation. Could

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you explain what that is and how
that might differ from some of the other

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meditations such as guided meditation or breathing
meditation. Could you explain. Yeah,

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so TM, they create a mantra
for you. So it's just a sound

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that they create that you repetatively say
to yourself internally so that it distracts the

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mind and the nervous system, so
that you can go profoundly deeply within yourself,

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because a lot of times we're identifying
with our nervous system and our thoughts

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and we don't know how to keep
a space and a separation from that,

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not to allow yourselves to recognize like
that's not your identity. Yet you are

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so entangled in it. You don't
realize that that's all you are thinking,

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You are in being. So TM
creates a specific mantra for the person.

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So whoever's teaching you, they speak
with you and then they create that sound

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for you, and then it just
allows you to go deeply and it gives

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you a regulation of the nervous system. So each meditation, what that's doing

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is allowing the defense mechanisms to be
disarmed so that you can come into the

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vulnerability and the oneness and have a
safety in your body. If you would

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allow me to permit, would I
be able to guide us into a short

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meditation so I can show the listeners
what that would look like. Yeah.

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Actually, I was going to ask
you because you know, like I say,

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there's so many different meditations now I
happen to listen to and I go

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back and forth. I listened to
self age, self EDGEO, you know

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if you're familiar with that, And
most of the time I'm listening to gongs

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that are doing that, yeah,
right, And sometimes there's music which are

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by neural or HEMI sync and I
listened to that. I actually found one

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where there was chanting of monks,
which I thought Okay, that's really cool.

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But yeah, I would love for
you to share what you're doing and

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how you chant, because I think
for the audience, everybody has a different

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experience with different types of meditation and
I want to talk a little bit more

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about that in a minute, but
yes, please share with us, And

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just to let the listeners know,
I have moved away from TM and I

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anchor you in your breath because my
main thing with meditation is to remove the

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narrative that meditation is only a sitting
practice. It's actually to bring into your

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lived experience. At the beginning you
have to do, you know, the

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sitting and regulating. Yet it's to
take these practice in your every day.

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So that's why, like I said
at the earlier I was doing it in

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the living room with my twins,
not just creating a safe environment, because

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that we can't control the world in
people and nature. So it's like,

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how do you bring this practice so
that you can live with the impermanence of

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life. So I'm going to I'm
going to stop you there because you keep

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bringing up things that I want to
talk about. You know, I actually

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do a walking meditation, so I
think I think what you're talking about is

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so important because you know, I
don't have time to, you know,

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to walk the ten thousand steps I
want to walk every day, and you

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do a lot of other things and
then meditate for an hour or whatever it

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happens to be. Is so I
found that way meditation with those chants or

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those gongs or whatever it happens to
be for me work very well. So

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I love the point that you make
is that you know what, it's not

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that we have to sit there for
twenty minutes, thirty minutes, an hour

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or two hours whatever to meditate.
We can find that we can do that

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during the day if we learn to
apply it. So anyway, so you're

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are you going to share the chanting
even though you're not doing that anymore,

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or are you going to talk about
the breath work, which I'm just going

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to show you what I do with
my clients, and I'm going to give

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them a bit so that they can
feel there's an energetic vibration that I send

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out that allows people to really regulate
themselves and go deep that they didn't even

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know they could do on their own. So I'm going to guide us in

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that. And is it okay for
people to be driving their car while we're

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doing this. So as I'm going, I was just going to do some

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housekeeping, So I'm going to ask
Doug and myself to close our eyes.

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Yet, as Doug has mentioned,
most people listen to a podcast while driving

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or doing some physical activity that require
your visual So I'll ask you not to

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close your eyes yet. The other
prompt you're able to follow, and if

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you're starting to feel too regulated or
relaxed, then just pause it or fast

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forward till when we can talk and
then come back to the meditation when you're

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in a space where you feel like
you can go more profoundly and more deeply.

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Yet a lot of times you're able
to the whole premise of what I'm

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teaching is to learning to anchor into
your breath. Like I know everybody says,

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breathe, Yet the missing part is
focus on your breath and still do

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your eyes. And I'm going to
suggest for those that are driving, do

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not listen to this parta wait till
you're actually in a place where you're safe.

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I think that's really important. Okay, yes, okay, So Doug

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Gall asks you to get comfortable in
your seat and you're gonna gently close your

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eyes, and you're gonna begin breathing
in and out through your nose, and

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you're gonna bring your awareness to watching
your breath go in and out through your

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nose. If there's difficulty with that, then breathe in through your nose and

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exhale out through your mouth. You're
not gonna try and control your breath.

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You're just gonna keep your awareness on. Watching your breath. You'll notice a

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rhythm. There may be sensations or
feelings that are coming up in the body.

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Let them come up. You're safe
to feel. You're safe to let

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go surrender the need to control,
release the need to resist, and just

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be be with your breath. Drop
into your body. Keep the awareness on

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your breath. There may be thoughts
or memories popping up, where to do

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lists, It's fine, don't try
to push it away. Just bring your

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awareness back to your breath. Stay
with your breath while observing and going deeper

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into your body. You can be
staying with your breath and going deeper into

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the body, staying with your breath. I'm going to stop you there.

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This is going to get too difficult
for some people if they're not if they're

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not in a safe place. Okay, I appreciate what you're doing, and

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I was really feeling that, by
the way. So here's my question,

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because I know that as you did
this, you had some amazing things happen.

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And you know, you talk about
the emotional pain perhaps that you've experienced

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as a child, and some of
those types of things that come up and

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for a lot of people and me
personally, and I don't know why this

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is, and maybe because for years
and years and years had been doing this,

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working on this, But how often
do peop people actually have those subconscious

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emotions come up that they're not even
aware of and suddenly it comes into their

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mind and they recognize that. Do
you find that that's a fairly common thing

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or does it really take time for
someone to work at this and practices to

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the point where suddenly that starts to
happen. See, everybody's unique, and

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everybody has a different nervous system and
different defense mechanisms, And it's the willingness.

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So again, like you said,
it's safety. What I know to

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be true about healing is the nervous
system needs safety. So as you interrupted

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the meditation, you're like, wait, I don't want to make people safe,

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So the nervous system needs safety,
and then you need radical honesty.

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You need to be honest with yourself. And a lot of times we don't

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even know how to be honest and
feel our authentic emotions. And the third

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one is feeling. So a lot
of times, like you said, the

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body is always sending us messages,
yet we will push it down because it's

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something that we don't want to feel, we don't want to interact with.

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And so when somebody is now willing
to do that healing and face themselves,

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it's allowing more and more of whatever
the messages that are coming up to be

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able to face that. Because if
you understand emotions, you understand that they're

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messengers. There's sensations that are coming
to bring you messages. It doesn't mean

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that you have to take action with
it. It's just a message. And

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so it's being able to feel that
and doing that deep introspection of asking you

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some questions that will serve you in
solutions, not keep you stuck in the

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past. And the self loathing and
feeling, you know, a deep shame

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or guilt with experiences. Okay,
so you were having me focus on my

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breath, and yet you are guiding
me. So then again here comes the

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question. There are some that say, you know, guided meditation you should

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avoid others that say no, that
you need that guided medication, or you

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need some music behind you or chanting
or whatever. Now you have a chance

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that you do, or at least
you don't anymore anymore. Okay, So

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as you talk about this, is
there an advantage to having someone such as

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yourself or as you're listening and finding
it on you know, one of the

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channels to receive the guided meditation or
do you find it just focusing on the

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breathing without any verbiage coming into your
ears in your mind? What's the difference

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and what do you find is most
effective. I think when people start to

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meditate, it's a lot of people
need that guided meditation because they're interacting with

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their biology and it's a lot of
sensations and feelings that they don't think they

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can navigate through, so they shut
it off. And there are certain sensations

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that will activate your biology where your
heart will palpitate, or you're finding that,

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oh, I didn't realize I was
breathing so shallow and trying to go

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down into your belly and oxygenate So
when I'm doing the meditation, what I'm

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doing is bringing you back into your
body so that you can engage with your

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biology, where a lot of times
people are stuck in their head. They

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don't even know how to drop into
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different sensations and feelings that are going
on simultaneously, so better understanding. You

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know, there's this narrative of get
rid of anxiety rather than question and understand,

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well, why is it being activated? What is the thing that's activating

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this. There's another thing where it's
said, don't fear. Well, a

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nervous system needs healthy fear, so
there's no such thing as not having any

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fear. Especially if you start interacting
with your intuition, it's going to activate

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fear because you're going into the unknown
and uncertainty. So it's changing these narratives

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that we've been told to push away
from our biology, where I'm bringing the

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curiosity of better understanding what's going on
internally so that you can understand. You

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know, when people are talking about
the executive function of the brain, the

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frontal lobe, how it gets disconnected
if the nervous system is activated and you're

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in your limbic system the back of
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staircase to come back to that front
executive and you can see solutions. Because

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what the nervous system has one function, don't die. And with that not

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dying, it has it's based in
negative biases. So to regulate and be

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able to see the solutions and see
the positive it takes warrior work to do

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that, especially if you've experienced a
lot of pain in your life. Yes,

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and so here's another question you talked
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get them back in their body.
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there are many out there that talk
about the quantum field and many times they

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seek through guided meditation to have people
move into that quantum field, which in

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my mind is different than getting into
your body. Can you explain what your

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views are on that. Well,
you have to get into the body to

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be able to get into the quantum
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the defense mechanisms of the nervous system. Is that ego that people talk about

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that blocks us. So the nervous
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So to be able to disarm your
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allowing you to regulate and bringing harmony. I know a lot of people want

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quantum field and spirituality, yet we're
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it's merging the two. It's not
picking one over the other. Like I

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understand, the human experience is really
painful and it's really challenging. Yet when

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you can face your pain and you
can ask yourself with direct questions to see,

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Okay, well this is here.
Now, how am I going to

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show up? How am I going
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I'm feeling while being in that spirituality
that I quantum feel that people speak about

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that oneness God, universe. Everybody
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and that connection. So what I'm
showing people is that the blockages where you're

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like, oh, I'm not in
flow, It's like, well, is

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your nervous system dysregulated? Are you
even aware of what's going on inside your

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body so that you cause your body
is like a radio transmitter, so you're

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not able to get to the frequency
if there's all kinds of static, And

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the static is these emotions that are
just stuck in the body that you have

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and their energy and you haven't released
them so that you can have a clear

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channel and hear the clarity coming from
within in externally soot. Yeah, if

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I hear what you're saying, then
what you're really saying is we've got to

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really get into the body. And
as you're saying, we'll talk a little

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bit more about the ego and the
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as we get into the body and
can really focus on that breathing to the

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point where we are starting to eliminate
some of that stuff, then that gives

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us the ability then if we choose
to move into the quantum field and focus

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in that area. And I find
that very interesting. Now, another thing

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you did during the meditation was you
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but your focus was just to breathe
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inhale. Can you share why and
is that actually a more advantageous way to

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breathe and to focus on your breathing. When you can breathe in and out

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through your nose, it brings your
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We're in a world where we're distracted
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it's very difficult to keep our attention
span. So when you're doing that breath

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through your nose, you're able to
take more deeper breaths, and you're also

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being aware of how shallow your breathing
is. A lot of people don't even

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realize they're only breathing from like the
neck up and don't understand that like that

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will create more anxiety. It will
create more fear because all your cells aren't

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being oxygenated and you're not allowing all
the muscles to expand. So when you're

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able to now breathe through your nose
and then start to go more deeper and

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deeper into the body, you're recognizing, oh, the oxygen can go more

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profound down into the bottom of my
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all of my cells can get oxygenated. And that's part of that wellness that

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you want, that health that you
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as you're doing that, man,
as you say certain, you know,

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things come to your mind. I
mean, are you thinking about I gotta

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do this tomorrow or whatever. But
as you start to feel some of those

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emotions that are coming up, that
may reflect something that you've never really thought

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about consciously, and yet you know
that it's there. What do you say

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something to yourself or do you just
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What? How do you deal with
that it's failing them and there's going

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to be a turbulence in the body. So whenever there's some big emotions that

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are coming up that you haven't felt
or you're experiencing things, there's your biology

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starts to create this tsunomi of sensations
in there, and when you can focus

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on the breath, you're able to
ride those waves. So a lot of

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people here surfing and riding the waves, the ebbs and flows of life.

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then all of a sudden, there may

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be tears. A lot of times
there's you know, when we are releasing,

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some people will have profound tears,
And unfortunately tears have been labeled as

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sadness, where it's like no,
tears are a plethora of emotions and it's

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expressions of the heart that you cannot
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steam from a pressure cooker and that

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there's this download that comes and you're
able to see and connect within yourself in

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some in a more profound way.
And you know, at times when there's

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too much coming up too, you're
gonna need movement to be able to not

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push that sensation away yet allow yourself
to have some movement to interact with it

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for it to still come up and
have a better relation with it. And

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when there's things that come up,
it doesn't mean like right then you'll be

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able to interact with it fully.
It might be in small chunks that a

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little bit more, a little bit
more, a little bit more that you

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can release. That's why it's say
there's not a one size fits all with

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this, because everybody has different experiences, they have different responsibilities, and we

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all have different nervous systems. So
it's given ourselves grace of Okay, I'm

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going to see that I have the
capacity to see that I can face these

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things, I can feel it.
And also I always have to create safety.

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So if it's going in a space
that feels way too overwhelming, you

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don't want to overload the nervous system
because you're going to fall down. It's

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going to take a long time for
you to get back up again. And

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so it's really understanding how to stretch
yourself and not just you know, push

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yourself to a point where it's difficult
to reconnect and rebuild back up your energy.

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And sometimes when those really severe ones
come up, you just what kind

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of put them to the side and
know that you're going to approach them later

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on as you've matured a little bit
in your ability, you know, And

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you keep talking about fair you keep
talking about stress. Have you done any

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research or have you seen some research
about what happens to our physical body and

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our health when we are constantly experiencing
stress or fear in our lives. Yeah,

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we do a lot of chemical jumps
of cortisol. So our body is

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only supposed to make a certain amount
of cortisol in the day. Yet if

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you're always you know, worrying or
fearing certain things, your nervous system is

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okay activated because it thinks you want
to run, you want to get away

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from something. Yet all you're doing
is really rocking in a rocking chair.

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You think, you know in your
mind you're moving, but you physically are

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not moving. So those cortisol dumps
start to add up. And then there's

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also adrenaline. So a lot of
people are addicted to the adrenaline, like

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those people that procrastinate and wait last
minute to do things. That's adrenaline junkie.

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And so you get that hit a
surge and then you can do everything.

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Yet after a certain amount of time, your body isn't going to be

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able to withstand that. So it's
learning different habits to be able to engage

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with tasks. But yeah, there's
a chemical release. So that's why I'm

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engaging with people to come back into
their body and see like when all of

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a sudden, you know, there's
a noise that goes on you. If

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you are in your awareness of your
body, you can feel that dump of

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chemical and those the goosebumps that pop
up, or the hairs on your skin

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that pop up, and those are
chemical reactions that are going on in your

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body. A lot of people aren't
taught about our nervous system and all the

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different chemical reactions like oxytocin and adrenaline
and cortisol and epinephrine and all these things.

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Like our body is very it's an
intelligence. So the medicine that you

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take your body is able to create
also, Yet it's to be able to

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tap into those things well and it's
amazing. How you know, you hear

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stories of people who literally have healed
some fairly serious illnesses along with them,

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you know some other ones, but
and through meditation. And why is that

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happening based on your experience, because
I'm sure you've seen that happen with your

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clients. Oh, I'm living experience
too, Like the lesions have left,

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and I was given a prognosis of
death, and I was told that I

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wasn't going to walk again, I
wouldn't be able to dance, I would

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need to walk with assisted devices.
So I'm the lived experience also of seeing

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what the meditation has done and transformed
in my life. And like I said,

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there's a lot of stored emotions that
are energy that block us from really

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being in tune with our body,
so creating that homeostasis. And sometimes people

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don't even know what homeostasis can be
because of their experience and their childhood,

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and so being able to better relate
with yourself, better relate with your biology.

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A lot of times, especially if
you experience physical pain in your body,

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you're berating your body, You're getting
angry with yourself that you're not able

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to do what you could do at
one time, rather than going through the

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grief and allowing yourself to have acceptance
of what can I do now? And

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so there's always this misalignment. So
meditation allows, like I said, that

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harmony of blending everything as a whole
with a W rather than having holes with

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an H. And the meditation again
allows that regulation of the nervous system,

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so all your systems can communicate again
and not just be all separate. Well,

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and you know, as you start
facing that subconscious pain or conscious pain

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that comes up and it suddenly becomes
conscious as you start to face that,

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you know, I hear people use
different words about letting it go and so

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on and so forth, you know, changing neurological pathways. In your experience,

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how do people take some of those
tremendous childhood traumas that have occurred and

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let them go? Or do they
let them go or do they put them

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to decide? What is your experience
with that and what do you suggest to

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other people as they start to experience
those emotions coming up. The only way

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you can let go is you have
to feel you have to go through it.

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But a lot of people want to
bypass, like it's going to suck

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and it's going to be uncomfortable.
I call it warrior work because there is

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also this narrative that vulnerability is harmful. So to rewire the safety in your

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body to be in that vulnerability,
it's going to be feeling counterintuitive. It's

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going to bring up some visceral things. So you're going to be in a

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sacred space with yourself and you have
to give yourself permission that I'm going to

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carve this time in this space to
allow myself to do that deep healing,

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to feel parts of fragmented parts of
myself that I separated, to integrate it

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back into myself. Yet it doesn't
always mean it's going to happen in a

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one time Like a lot of times
people think if I've you know, released

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the trauma, it's never gonna bother
me again, and it's like, no,

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there's a wound there. So life
is impermanent and certain experiences are going

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to activate that. Yet you're going
to build the tools to not separate from

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yourself, to be able to navigate
through those emotions and allow yourself a space

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to feel and let it go.
Well, and you know, in your

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case, how long did it take? I mean, you know, many

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of us are just you know,
I want it now, I want it

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now, I want it now.
So I'm going to meditate for a week

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and see what happens. How for
you, how long did it take for

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that healing to occur while you were
actually starting that whole process of meditation and

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self care? What do you mean, like, what is the Because I'm

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still on the journey of healing.
So what are you asking when you started

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to actually have that aha moment of
saying, you know what, I'm actually

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healing. I'm actually experiencing some healing. And obviously it is not all done

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as you say, but as you
experienced the fact that, okay, I'm

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actually starting to experience healing. How
long did it take of your self care,

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your meditation, those type of things
before you were able to start to

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actually notice a change in your body. Well, I have because of the

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trauma. I have a mindset of
a resilience. So when I came out

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of the hospital, because I was
a solo parent, I engaged with the

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pain. So I faced the pain
and I interacted with the pain, being

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on a backpack and still having to
navigate the somatic release of the meditation,

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and that I learned a year after
I would say the profoundness started to release.

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I would say about six months that
it started to really I could recognize

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what I was creating and changing of
creating a lifestyle that would support my energy.

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Because that's the thing about healing too. A lot of people think that

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they're going to keep the same lifestyle
and keep going. Where when you start

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doing the healing, you recognize,
oh, certain things in my lifestyle are

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depleting my energy and I'm not to
be around certain people or engaging with certain

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things, and you start taking the
accountability and responsibility for you not going externally

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to find the quick fixes. It's
like, oh, I got some work

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with rechanging my lifestyle. Yeah that's
the question. Yeah, I love that

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because I think that you know,
like I say, so many people think

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that, you know, I'm meditate
for a week for a month and it's

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all going to be happening, especially
if they're focusing on some healing processes,

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but realizing that it takes time and
there has to be patience and consistency in

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anything, but particularly in meditation,
there has to be the consistency for it

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to work. You know, you
talk about ego and I shared this with

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someone else. The other day,
I was listening to a lecture, and

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since I'm in Thailand, obviously,
I listened to some Buddhist lectures and one

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of the things that I have just
struggled with is this concept of non self.

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And as I was thinking about it
one day, all of a sudden,

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it just came to me that what
he was talking about, at least

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in my opinion, was removing the
ego, the self and becoming the non

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self. So it wasn't some kind
of magical thing that you do, but

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it's rather you learn to remove the
ego. So let's talk a little bit

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about what your thoughts are about the
ego, What is it, how does

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it affect our lives, and how
on earth do we remove it from our

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lives. Again, it's those defense
mechanisms of the nervous system. You think

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you are the identity of these emotions
and these belief systems, and the persona

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that you've created, this avatar to
navigate like. You believe that you are

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the body. And once you can
come out of disarming those defense mechanisms,

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you go into the non self.
You see that your spirit, you see

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that you are part of the everything
that's connected you recognize your energy yet to

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come into That's why it's so difficult
to put it in verbiage of well,

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what is this thing? Like you're
talking some Google stuff and this doesn't make

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sense. That's why I guide people
into their body so they can recognize and

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engage with the ego, the defense
mechanisms of the nervous system that are guarding

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you. It's like quantum physics.
There's this feel that you have to traverse

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through that's really uncomfortable, and it's
going to sings. Yeah. Once you

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can pass through it, there's just
this bliss of open space and you're just

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floating. And so that's the same
premise of understanding viscerally what goes on in

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our biology. Yet it takes a
regulation of okay, the defense mechanisms feel

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safe to surrender so that you can
go back into this vulnerability. That's why

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when you see children at a young
age and they can just be so playful

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and curious and you're like, why
can I not have this? Well,

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they haven't been indoctrinated with all kinds
of definitions. Like I just explained a

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different way to interact with anxiety and
fear where you don't hear a lot of

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that in the mainstream narrative, and
then people are trying to under well,

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what's wrong with me? And it's
like, well, you're berating parts that

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you actually need to navigate in this
world. Have you read the book by

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a car Tootally, a new work, Yes? And have you read the

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book Untethered Soul by Michael Singer?
I have not yet, so I will

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take a note of that because,
you know, it's interesting he talks about

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the ego not only just you know, dealing with the anxiety and so forth,

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but also about, you know,
the things that we need to have,

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the recognition that we need to have
all of the things that literally cause

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us stress in our lives, and
we don't even realize it because we're always

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reaching for that thing because of the
the reason that we get into arguments with

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people, the reason that we see
what's going on in the world today all

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has to do with ego. We
have to be right. And so it's

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fascinating to understand that, you know
what, we can experience a piece within

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ourselves, and I really believe we
could see a greater piece within the world

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if we could just learn to let
go of that ego. Well, like

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I said, the nervous system needs
safety. When you're looking for the identity

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and the attachment and the accolades.
It's safety like if I am successful,

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if I have this title, if
I have this materialistic things, if I

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have this, then I have a
sense of safety. But once you get

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it, you recognize it's fleeting and
you're onto the next thing. And you're

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onto the next thing. It's like
coming back into your body and recognizing,

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no, I'm safe to be with
myself. But we've been programmed that we're

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not good enough, so we're looking
for the good enough externally from ourselves,

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not recognizing like the alchemists, it's
the journey back within, back into the

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self, back into your worth.
Yet, if you are not looking inwardly

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and you keep looking out there,
you're just like the don keyp chasing the

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carrot and you're like, why can't
I not get this carrot? Like they

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keep telling me there's an arrival if
I get here, and it's like,

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no, the arrival is your home
is within yourself. It's that safety and

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validating yourself because is another thing where
people think a healthy nervous system is always

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being coomed by the eye and in
bliss and it's like, no life is

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impermanent. A healthy nervous system is
being able to disregulate and come back into

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regulation. So it's like a gas
and brake pedal. You want to be

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able to navigate through that so that
your biology can protect you because there is

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harmful things in the world where it's
like if you are just in bliss and

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not doing anything while you're really probably
in the fond of a nervous system,

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because there's still some things that you
have to engage with unless you want to

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be a monk, you know,
in a cave. Yet even the monk

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in the cave is listening to a
stuition if there's an animal or something coming

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near, so that they can just
react to it and then just let it

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go, not be all frazzled and
create a story of oh my gosh,

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this and this and this and this
could have happened. So it's better understanding

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what that is. That's true.
In one of your writings, you talk

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about poor things, and let need
to take you know, just a few

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minutes to talk about me because I
think they're important. You talk about feeling,

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processing, integration, and releasing,
So could you take a few minutes

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and talk about that. So the
feeling, as we said, Okay,

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all of a sudden, you're engaging
that there is an emotion, let's say

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grief. Okay, I'm going to
use a big subject. There's grief,

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so I'm going to have to feel
this grief. And grief is a very

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overwhelming emotion because it activates the nervous
system because there's a loss and you're having

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to move into a new world.
And so you're processing that, you're listening

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to the messages, you're feeling the
emotions and the overwhelmed and then you're integrating,

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like you're accepting that I have this
loss. You're accepting whatever emotions that

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are coming up. You're not doing
a la carte that I shouldn't be anymore,

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I shouldn't feel angry, I should
feel happy or excited, and recognizing

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you can feel all those emotions all
at once, it's not just one or

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the other. And if you can
also get to the layer where a lot

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of times we don't even know how
to validate that we are feeling afraid.

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There's such a beratement of not being
able to do that, and that is

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the activation of the nervousness, and
that's its one function, So being able

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to integrate and and validate and acknowledge
what is going on in your biology,

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so then you can start letting go
of the things that you've thought were protecting

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you that you no longer need.
Okay, I love it. Facing Yeah,

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that's great. So feeling, processing, integrating, and ultimately releasing.

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And I think that's a wonderful pathway. I like how you put that.

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So as we come to a close, what I'd love for you to do

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is just take a moment and sure
with the audience what would be that message

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that you would like to share with
them. Please remember to be kind to

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yourself. You matter. And there's
a reason why they call it radical compassion

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because this journey that you're going to
be on, you're going to need that

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compassion to see and go through your
experiences. So that kindness is to start

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within. Is the only thing that
we give on the outside, it has

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to come internally, So be kind
with yourself during the journey. Oh I

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love that. I love that,
Natalie. And so if people want to

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learn more about what you're doing and
potentially working with you through some guided meditation

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and so forth, how do they
find you? I have a website called

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lift oneself dot com l I F
T O N E s E l F

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dot com and they can come into
a fifteen minute free discovery call to see

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if we can work together. I
also am on all the social media's under

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lift wheself, where I leave affirmations
or introspective questions so people can start being

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curious about their biology and their own
lived experience. And also for your listeners,

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I created a ten minute meditation that
they can access, so they'll go

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to liftweself dot com forward slash gift
gift and they'll just have to opt in

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and then they'll have this ten minute
meditation where I go down into a belly

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breath also so they can really start
that regulation and come back into their body.

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And that's wonderful. And you ring
up one more quick question. How

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long and how important it is from
the standpoint at a time that we meditate.

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I've heard people talk ten minutes,
twenty minutes, an hour, or

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two hours. What has been your
experience? What creates an effective meditation time

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wise? Get it even does?
It's just the commitment to meditate every day.

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It's really the commitment to meditate.
And then once you start meditating,

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you recognize that's the medicine for yourself. So then when things are going out

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of sort, you recognize, waight, have I taken time to be with

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myself? Have I taken time to
feel, to process, to integrate,

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to release. That's the whole process
of the meditation, and the more at

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times you're going to need a longer
meditation because of whatever challenges, and if

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you're beginning the work, you'll need
longer meditations to be able to remove the

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things that are in your body,
to open up and have an empty vessel

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so that you can receive yet all
throughout the day. Yet, this is

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your journey. There is no right
way find what works for you in your

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experience. Yet, the only thing
I can really tell you if you really

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want transformation is that consistency of every
day, every day, even if it's

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for a minute. Just commit every
day that you will meditate so you can

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start taking care of what's going on
internally and really doing that self care.

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Love it, Natalie, thanks so
much for being on the show. This

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has been a fascinating discussion. I
love this one. I really appreciate the

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openness and I love when we can
do a deep dive and I always just

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want to create a simplicity of the
language. Too many times, you know,

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in my own journey and what I
hear with other people, they're getting

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the wrong definition, and they're not
inquiring about themselves. They're going externally to

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figure out other people's plans rather than
using that curiosity of let me see what

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works for me, let me really
be that mad scientist in my own lived

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experience and not having theories. It's
the lived experience that brain transformation. So

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you're going to have to do the
trench work. You're going to have to

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do the work. Yet it's possible
and you have the capacity to do the

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work. Oh that's great. Thanks
and folks, I know you really enjoyed

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this one. I hope you'll reach
out to Natalie and you know, even

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experience that ten meditation. I can
tell you it can change your life if

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you so choose to have that do
so. So thanks for listening. I

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hope you'll join us again soon.