Sept. 8, 2025

From Trauma to Transformation: JU$TIN’s 13 Rungs to Elevated Consciousness

From Trauma to Transformation: JU$TIN’s 13 Rungs to Elevated Consciousness
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From trauma to transformation, JU$TIN shares his personal journey of healing and awakening in his new book Sorcery 101. Discover the 13 rungs of spiritual elevation—shadow work, emotional alchemy, intention, and more—and how to grow through pain, not just go through it.

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Denzel Washington, Welcome to inspire vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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to do the same.

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Justin Welcome to the show.

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Good to be here.

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Hey, it's good to have you here.

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Hell there are yeah, or wherever we happen to be right,

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That's that's what's so amazing.

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Now that you can be wherever you want to in

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the world and still have this wonderful communication going on. Yep, yeap.

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The times of difference, places of difference, but it's all

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this moment, right, it's all now.

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Exactly exactly, except someone's just waking up and someone's just

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going to sleep. So that's how that works. So, yeah,

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you've written a book, and let the audience know what

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the name of the book is.

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It is called Sorcery one O one thirteen rungs to

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a higher elevation of consciousness. Okay, sorcery spelled with the U.

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Yeah, yes, so that's great. And obviously talking about consciousness,

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I'd love for you to share with the audience because

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you have quite a journey, share with the audience what

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your journey has been and what brought you to this

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point to write the book and to do what you're doing.

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Yeah, so it's yeah, it's been it's been quite a journey, certainly. So.

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I was born and raised here in Phoenix, Scottsdale, Arizona.

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I had a had a top childhood in that, you know,

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I I kind of grew up in an emotional vacuum.

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So I like to say, you know, around, I use

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a lot of pop culture and humor in my book.

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I like to consider myself in a mystical comedian. I

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kind of mixed meld the two of comedy and philosophy

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kind of stand up philosophy stuff. But one of the

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things I I I like to say, you know, my

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fight my childhoo was like fight club. It was like

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around my house, it was like, you know, the first

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rule is you do not talk about your feelings, and

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the second rule is you do not talk about your feelings.

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And that's what it was like growing up around my house.

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It's just nothing was spoken of that was anything remotely vulnerability.

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So anything involving the spirit, anything involving good feelings, bad feelings,

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anything involving drugs, alcohols, sex, a thing, anything, just none

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of that was discussed at all. Ever when I was

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when I would be kind of feeling bad and I'd

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be kind of talking to my mom, it was obvious

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she was not comfortable talking to me about that, and

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she would just tell me, well, you know, go take

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a shower, you'll feel better. Because she had no idea

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like how to you know, console a child or like

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to you know, she just she did the best she

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could because that's how she was raised. I have, there's

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there's everyone is just a reflection of the environments they

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were raised in. It's she did the best she could,

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and I love her very much and she's passed on now.

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But you know, it's it was just it just when

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you don't tell a child they're loved, valued, and I

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wasn't never told I love you, and you know, there

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wasn't a lot of hugging. It just it just was

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a real emotional vacuum at my home and we you

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don't tell a child they're loved, valued, safe. You know,

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they're going to look for the world for these things,

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and the world is always going to tell them they're unvalued, unloved,

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and unsaved. So, you know, growing up with Vilva's kind

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of horror beliefs inside of me led some some really

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tough times as a teenager in my twenties. Just a

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lot of mental emotional issues, you know, ADHD and you know,

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the depression and anxiety and all these things that you

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know spun me back and forth in America's sick care

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system here, and a lot of substance abuse, alcohol problems,

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and you know, prescription pills became my favorite thing. So

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you know, it's legal, legal drugs, right, I can pretend

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like I wasn't a total drug addict because these were

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you know, everything is okay, everything, you know everything's legal.

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It's okay, right, Like that's not exactly correct, but that's

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what I thought at the time. So just you know,

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it was really a tough going there for quite a while.

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And you know, finally kind of in my thirties, I

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got things together a little bit, and you know, I've

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experienced some periods of sobriety. I went I started going

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to the kind of AA and doing a more Christian

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religious type thing, and you know, I was sober, but

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you know, I was not thriving at all. I still

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had all my core issues of you know, pretty bad

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anxiety and depression, but I was sober, so you know,

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I considered it kind of a wind and that kind

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of happened, and I kept with that for a while.

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And then in you know it late thirties. You know,

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I'm the early forties now, and it's you know, I

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had a lot of horrible things just coincide and happen,

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which kind of led to this, the writing this book,

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and had my mother died. It was a very tough

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thing where it was not it was the long drawn

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out process of this year where her kind of body

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was dwindling and her mind was dwindling, and that was

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really tough to see. And then my sister had died

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and I had a close childhood friend die. I got

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attacked in the face by a dog. I had a

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fiance who just just all of a sudden left moved

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across the country with our infant son and just cut

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me out of their lives, just cut me out. I

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haven't seen it, talk to him in two years. So

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I had a lot of really hard things happen. And

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that is where kind of, you know, you can instead

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of going through it, we need to grow through it.

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And that's what I was trying to focus on, was

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kind of growing through this time period I was I

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was just asking, you know, just daily like all, I

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became obsessed of reading about I was kind of letting

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go of the Christian way of things and finding that

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that was really part of what made my mother's passing

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so traumatic was that she was not a Christian. And

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the whole time I had this programming going on from

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these pastors that she's going to Hell, and it made

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her It made her her ending days much more traumatic

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than they needed to be. I would have been kind

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of this shepherd into the next life and been excited

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for like I am now, after these experiences I have

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had in meditation, that's let me know that everything is fine.

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But at the time that's not what it was. So

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letting go of these of these things in my life

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was really a big deal. So I was letting go

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with a lot. I was doing some meditation. It's just

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all these things and the and these horror traumas and

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all this stuff kind of came together in this in

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this soup that created gave me vision and created this

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this new kind of program for for healing trauma. And

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and that's that's where I'm at now. And it's it's

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very exciting, and you know, I hope to kind of be,

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you know, the the energy doctor and you know, doctor

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of divinity, and and that's that's where I'm at right now.

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Okay, So, so you mentioned a couple of things I

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want to get into a little bit. Number One, you

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were in AA and you mentioned that they kind of

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move you into a Christian kind of situation here, which

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obviously for many people works and it apparently worked for

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you to some degree. And then you end up with

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a situation where a pastor and his person of Christianity

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suddenly goes totally opposite and puts you right back into

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that sense of stress and so forth, because talking about

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your mom, which you know, we won't get into that

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whole thing as far as you know, why why people

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perceive that way and then try to influence other people

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that way. But let's let's talk a little bit about perception.

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Let's talk about you know, reality and why it is

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that people have totally different realities. I mean, we look

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at what's going on right now, okay in the US,

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and all of the anger and all of the things

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that are going on, and you look at that, and

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you've got one person with a certain reality and you've

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got another person within the completely opposite reality. And yet

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if we look at reality as a genuine item, there's

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only one reality. And so how does that happen? What?

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What was your experience as you started to look at

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this and develop this concept of how reality and perception

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really determines how we how we look at life.

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Yeah, it's really it is fascinating how you know, our

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world we are, you know, but what we perceive it is.

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And you know, life is is a projection of your

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internal wars and beliefs, and you know, you know, just

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like just like any projector. You know, a projector. If

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you think you're going to put a movie in the

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projector and it's going to play a movie, you know,

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the projector isn't going to tell you, you know, this movie sucks,

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Let's play a different movie. You know, it's going to

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play whatever you put in there to play. And that

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is our realities. I mean that that is our the

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perception of things. And and you know, especially things like

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like politics and everything, it just warps it so much.

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And you know, the world is not and that is

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the big thing about sorcery is one of the biggest

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parts is this concept of both and you know it

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just the world is not this black and white, you know,

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you know, it's just it's not that. And and people's

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minds want to put everything in a box where it

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is or it is not, you know, religion versus science

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it is one or the other. And spirituality is this

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middle intersecting point that's just takes the best parts of

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both of them and comes up with this whole new

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way to look of things that that that people really

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aren't that familiar with. So and that's the exciting part

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about this. And I think people are starting to you know,

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wonder and question their some of their beliefs. And that's

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the shadow work is the first wrong and and that

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is about you know, the shadow is created by you know,

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childhood traumas and limiting beliefs, and and it is it

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is this side of us that causes reaction, the reactionary

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side of us, and starting to question that, and you

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know that go over things that in our minds that

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we've believed or true but maybe aren't so true. And

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people are starting to understand that more because of the

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you know, the whole you know AI and the deep

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fake and fake news and there's all this people are

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starting to do like, okay, there's a lot of illusionary

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stuff going on here, like what what what is real

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and what is not and starting to question that is

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really the first step in creating better perceptions and using

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your intuition instead of just taking things at face value.

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You know, heart will lead you in the right direction.

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Well and obviously, as you were talking about it, you know,

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the way that you were brought up, and I don't

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think it's an uncommon situation, by the way that literally

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most people have a difficult time really talking about emotions

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and those type of things. But the way you were

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brought up created this bliss of this perception within you

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of reality that, as you talked about it, really ultimately

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created some real issues for you. But what fascinates means

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you talked about meditation. You're talking about some of these things,

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and I'd love for you to share with the audience.

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Number one, at what point in time did you have

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that aha moment that said, you know what, I've got

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to change. Number one? And then number two, What were

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some of the processes that you personally went through that

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brought you to the point of meditation, brought you to

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the point of consciousness, which a lot of people never experience.

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Yes, there's several things. One, you know, one, I've been

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kind of in this nation's sick care system for decades

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trying to, you know, come up with a medicinal answer

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to my spiritual problem. And that was number one that

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is not was not working. So, I mean, we live

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in this world, but everything there is one core issue.

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In that core issue is spiritual bankruptcy. And there are

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so many symptoms of spiritual bankruptcy. You know, there's anything

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any illness considered chronic is I believe at the core

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a spiritual issue. But everything is focused on the symptom

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and managing symptoms. Our healthcare system is set up to

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manage symptoms, not to actually cure anything. So it's just

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managing the symptoms of depression, managing anxiety, you know, autoimmune disorder.

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you know, take some pills for that, go see a

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therapist for this. But you know, if you have an

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alcohol problem, you go to meetings. If you have a

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drug problem, you go to other meetings. If you have

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a gambling problem, you go to other meeting and everything is,

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everything is set, and it's completely different if you know,

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if you if you're just now we're seeing how big

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an issue that the phone is, because the phone is

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just a is a really massive problem these days. I

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go to the gym and I see men and women

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that can't even get through a set a weight set

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in and without checking their phone. It's like that, you know,

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they do ten leg ex sessions real quick and then

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they have to check their phones. And that's that's an issue.

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That's that's an issue, and that it's just putting off feeling.

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looked to everything. And the thing with like meditation is

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that it allows you to have a divergent focus on

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things instead of a we're constantly in a convergent focus.

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all day work to the you know, we're doing the phone,

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we're doing work, we're doing you know, we're doing TV,

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we're doing family's There is a convergent focus completely throughout

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the day. And meditation allows you to have a divergent

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focus on things, which is a broadening of the focus.

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And that's when Source gets to talk to you.

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Okay, so I'm going to stop you there. I want

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you to talk about what was your aha moment? What

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was that finally said all right, boom, I've got to change?

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And then what were some of the processes the books

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you were reading, uh, maybe workshops you were going to,

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maybe hiring someone to help you as a mentor or

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an advisor, whatever that was. What were some of those

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things that brought you to the point where you were

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able to start meditating and understanding the power of meditation.

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Because I totally agree with you, that's a great thing

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to be able to do.

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Yeah, it was actually in a time was about four

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years ago, and that moment came to me and it

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wasn't actually in imitation to time, but I had what

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I can only describe as a bliss attack, because I've

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had panic attacks my whole life, and this was a

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bliss attack. It was like if you replace panic with love.

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And for three hours I was in this state, this

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complete euphoric state, and I realized I had spent my

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life at that point in airplane mode. So a phone

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perpetually in airplane mode is not living up to its potential.

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You're not going to get any signals or called or

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text or anything. What's on there is on there, and

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that's it. So I realized in that moment I was

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on airplane mode and airplane mode had been disabled, and

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from that point on everything changed. I realized that there

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is an energy field that we can tap into that

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is source energy. That is why sorcery spelled with a

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U source energy. And try trying to explain source energy

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to someone, I've found is a bit like trying to

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explain the concept of water to a fish, and it's like,

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you know, it's you know, I actually imagine trying to

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do that. Well, it's this substance. It surrounds you and

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you wouldn't be alive without it, and it's how you

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get around and move and breathe. And the fish would

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be like what, I don't know what you're talking about.

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So it is it? It is that field of energy.

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And in this moment I realized, you know, I was

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I was a fish in a pond. My whole life

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just swimming in a pond. And all of a sudden,

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one day an angler comes in and rips that fish

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out of that pond. And now you see this whole other,

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insanely majestical world that Oh my gosh, there are other ponds. Oh,

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there's this, there's land, there's oceans, there's what is this? Like?

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That is that is that moment of wow? And and

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that's really I mean, you know, explaining this to someone

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who is very hard. It would be like going to

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you know, getting an electric shocks. Took a fork and

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an outlet and get an electric shock, and then you

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try to explain that to someone who lives in the

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juggles of the Amazon. It's difficult to do, Like, how

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do you explain an electric shock to someone who doesn't

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understand electricity? And that's what this moment was. And from

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that point on, you know, I was still kind of struggling,

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but you know, I wanted to avoid, you know, my destiny.

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But it after airplane mode is turned off, it can

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never be turned back on again. You can kind of

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avoid it. I was still having problems with drinking and

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trying to avoid my emotions then, so you can kind

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of turn it, but it's always there, and it's always like,

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you know, it's like the destiny thing is like, hey, hey,

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when are you going to wake up? When are you

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going to wake up? And finally, you know, I just

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I really started getting my act together and started you know,

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I realized I had, you know, a talent for this,

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and and and I just kept learning about about everything

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and everything started coming together. And I had moved to

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Sodona because it was just kind of a trauma response

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after my fiance left with her son. I just moved

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to Sedona and it was there that it kind of

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came to me that was like, Okay, you know, we're

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going to help other people get through this, and we're

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going to create a system of how to do this,

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and this is where we're going to start, and that

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is this book, and that is the system and so

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from here it will be very interesting to see.

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Yeah, and I love that, and you know it's interesting,

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and this is maybe off the subjects, but it comes

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to my mind at least. You know, we talk about source,

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we talk about that energy. A lot of meditative leaders

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talk about the quantum field and the source there and

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so forth, and yet you know, where does that source

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come from? And I think it's important for people who

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happen to be whether they're Christian, Islam, Buddhist, you know, Hindu,

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whatever that happens to be the bottom line is, as

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many people do believe in a higher individual, a higher God,

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and I think for people that are listening that at

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least as I've looked at this, I understand that you know,

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there are those that say, well, there is no God,

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but there's a source. And for me, I think it's

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important to understand and the audience that happens to believe

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in that higher source, that's where that's where it comes from.

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That source comes from somewhere. It just doesn't exist. It

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comes from somewhere. And you may disagree with me on that,

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but bottom line, I want the audience to understand that

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because I don't want them to not listen anymore, because

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bottom line, I think your story and the points that

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you've made in your book are extremely important. And oftentimes,

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as you know, sometimes somebody says a word and it

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completely turns you off and you don't listen anymore. So

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I want to kind of put that in there. But

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let's talk about the book. So you talked about the

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first rung, which was shadow work, and that's really where

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you're identifying what those perceptions are, those limiting beliefs are

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that have been created within your mind and your soul,

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and oftentimes that you had no control over that that's

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just something that's happened as a child. So what's the

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second run?

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The second run is a call for inaction, which is

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about meditation. So and there there is thirteen of them

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speaking of the shadow where there's thirteen of them for

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a very specific reason, and that's because you know, thirteen

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here in America at least, is considered a very unlucky

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number to the to the to the point where we

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have no thirteenth floors on in hotels, which is I know,

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which is mind boggling, like that's how much that's how

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influenzial that that, But it's it's it's all bullshit. It's

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that there's nothing, there is no there's no reason for it.

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I looked up kind of like why, and there's there's

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really no concrete reason. They kind of say, well, people

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kind of think it's you know, it's because there were

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thirteen people at the Last Supper and Judas was considered

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the thirteenth person, so I was considered. So you know,

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the whole logic of it is completely faulty. It's gone

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back much much further than that to being associated with

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the divine and being good luck and prosperate to those

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who embrace it. So there's thirteen runs for a very

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specific reason, and it is that kind of shadow work

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that is you start to question, Okay, what is what

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is real? What is you know, what is not in thirteen?

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Starting there? That is a very lucky number. So yeah,

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and then the second one is a call for an action.

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And you know, I compare, you know, having that divergent focus.

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It's like if you were to put a blindfold on

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and go stand with your nose to a brick wall.

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You take the blindfold off, all you're going to see

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is a blurry shader ad right, and just take a

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step back now you can make out a brick. You

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take out another step brack, you could see that there's

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a few bricks. Take another step back, Okay, it's the wall.

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And then you take another step back. It's like, okay,

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this wall is attached to something. And then you go

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even further back and you see that what was originally

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just a blurry shade of red is now a magnificent castle.

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And now you've achieved this divergent focus. And that is

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what makes meditation so incredibly critical, is that people need

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to stop looking at this, you know, at their nose

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and you know, this blurry shade of red, when there's

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this incredible castle all around us. And that is why

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meditation is so important. That it is the break I've

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you know, like I've asked, once you ever take a

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break from meditating like the gym. It's like, well, no,

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you don't take a break from meditation, because meditation is

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the break your mind is going all the time. It

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finally gets to rest and just relax, and it's it's

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amazing the differences it makes. And you know, just starting

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with just five minutes is good, all.

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Right, So meditating every day and then you say it

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can be just five minutes or longer for some people.

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And what goes into the third run.

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The third one is called surrender to serenity, and that's

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about accepting person, places, as things as they are. And

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the main focus for surrender serenity is is is human behavior.

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And that's what I get into the the most is

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trying to understand human behavior better. And we place you know,

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bad people in this category off that's a bad person

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and that's a good person. When it's again that this

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is the world of gray. There is both and and

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it is it is about understanding, you know, because I've

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been now in both places. There is no bad and

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good people like I have been. You know, I used

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to I would get in trouble for drinking and driving.

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I never I don't have any felonies, but I've had

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several misdemeanors. You know, I've got in trouble for stealing

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was a big thing. I was still alcohol I stole

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a bunch of alcohol when I was, you know, a teenager.

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And you know, I'd steal stuff from department stars for

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money in my twenties and you know, like that that's

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a that's a bad guy. But there was a good

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guy in there, you know, And so it is it

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is about understanding human behavior better so that when bad

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things happen or people do bad things to us, it's

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it's understanding that people are simply a reflection of the

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environment they were raised and that's all. They're just programmed

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machines doing what they were programmed to do. And it

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just it's helped me immensely deal with with you know,

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offensive and nasty behavior and all that stuff.

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Well, and what's interesting is as you're able to do that,

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and you call it serenity, but as you're able to,

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as you're meditating, those things come up, and as you're

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able to just to acknowledge it, just to acknowledge it, Okay,

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this is there that somehow takes away the power of

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that negative belief or negative imprint. And I think that's amazing.

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So then from there you go into the fourth room.

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And what's that, Yes, that is health as wealth, which

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is fairly self explanatory. I kind of get into, you know,

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like the importance of taking care of the temple, right

461
00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:57.839
that the body is the temple to the soul. And

462
00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:00.279
you know, there was a time I treat my as

463
00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:01.880
a temple now, but there was a time when I

464
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:04.799
treated like an amusement park, and so you know, it

465
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:07.680
is it is the importance of you know, taking care

466
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:10.880
of this thing. It is the mind, body, spirit. It's

467
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.079
that trifecta, and you have to take care of all

468
00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:16.319
three and if and if one starts to wane, it

469
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:18.799
starts to affect the other two. So it is the

470
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:21.640
importance of keeping the body. And you know, it's it

471
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:25.440
covers everything from you know, you know kind of nutrition

472
00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:28.359
wise and working out, WHI sleep, you know, all these

473
00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.039
kind of new health things that are out there, and

474
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:33.440
it's just it really is just importance of taking care

475
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:34.960
of yourself well.

476
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:39.680
And it's interesting to note that in many cases those

477
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:45.119
emotions of subconscious, those experiences that create such stress, start

478
00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:47.960
to affect our bodies. So as we start to notice

479
00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:51.880
that we're not failing good, that can be a good

480
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:54.720
red flag to say, okay, you start need to start

481
00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:58.559
looking at what's really going on in your life. And obviously,

482
00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:02.799
sometimes you know, health issues are for some other reasons.

483
00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:05.400
But I think there's so many times that we can

484
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:10.279
look at something stress causes so much stuff happening as

485
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:13.200
far as within the body that it starts to create

486
00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:15.720
ill help and I and I love the fact that

487
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:18.319
you focus on that because I think that's so important.

488
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:20.680
Then we get to the fifth rung, emotional alchemy.

489
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:25.119
Talk about that. Yeah, so that is uh, that's that's

490
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.680
one of the that's one of the big ones for me. So,

491
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:31.799
you know, alchemy for those of donors, is the ancient

492
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:37.799
art or process of turning base metals into gold, so

493
00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:40.160
brass or metal into gold by you know, kind of

494
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:44.400
an unknown magical process, something sorcerers do the the other

495
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:47.079
kind of sorcerer. I'm a sorcerer with a you it's

496
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:50.200
a different kind of sorcerer, but real sorcerers apparently can

497
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:53.279
do that. You know. Science may say it's impossible, but

498
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.519
science can be kind of boring sometimes, but emotional alchemy

499
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:59.119
is undeniably possible because I do it every day. And

500
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.240
that is turning these kind of base emotions that are

501
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:07.119
already there and alchemizing them into higher level emotions such

502
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:10.160
as join love. But there are certain things that you

503
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:14.079
can do that, let's say, you know, like trauma can

504
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:18.039
actually be alchemized into wisdom. You know, once you disconnect

505
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:22.559
the emotional charge from a traumatic memory that now you

506
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.200
are now you are more wise now it is wisdom.

507
00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.519
It is no longer a trauma. It's no longer affecting

508
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:30.039
your life. That you know, that's PTSD comes in and

509
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.599
you know, once you once you take that charge away,

510
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:35.119
now it is now wisdom. So you can you know,

511
00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:40.519
work on alchemizing you know, your trauma into wisdom. You

512
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.759
can alchemize you know, pain into motivation. Pain can be

513
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.880
a great motivating factor and so you can kind of

514
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:50.559
take that pain and use it. And I mean I

515
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:52.759
certainly was doing that. You want to do more than

516
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:54.599
that because a lot of people who make it to

517
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:56.799
the top use pain as motivation and they get to

518
00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:59.079
the top and it feels hollow and lonely. So so

519
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.480
there's more things to but that's an example of it, certainly.

520
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.519
And another one I love doing is kind of the

521
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:08.640
curiosity of human behavior. And you know, humans can you know,

522
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:11.599
they can offend us, that you know, they can scare us.

523
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:16.359
You know they can disgust us. There are several things

524
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:19.200
that can happen from you know, interaction with other people.

525
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.039
And you can be jealous of humans. It's kind of

526
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.119
those four kind of main ones. But you know, if

527
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:27.759
you if you start to study them and get curious.

528
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:33.400
This kind of alchemizes the negative whatever feeling, jealousies, you know, fear,

529
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:37.240
discuss whatever one you're already feeling. It kind of it

530
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.480
turns it into something else, and you start studying them,

531
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.480
you start becoming curious. There's a book out right now

532
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:46.759
that's very buzzy. Mel Robbins. Let them and you know,

533
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.000
just let them. Theory, it's kind of distancing yourself from them,

534
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:51.920
and that's good in a way that there's there is

535
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.480
something to that that is it's much better than kind

536
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:56.519
of being controlling. And I don't want this to happen

537
00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:58.480
this person. This should be this way. And I don't

538
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:01.160
know why I feel it's it's it's kind of disconnecting

539
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:03.960
yourself from them. But that's what's good and bad about it,

540
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.079
is you're also disconnecting yourself from them. I believe we're

541
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:09.799
all one consciousness and we should all kind of, you know,

542
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:13.119
you know, get along better. So to disconnect completely, I

543
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:15.000
think we should take it a step further than just

544
00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:18.000
letting them and study them. So there are you know,

545
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:21.559
these these things you can do to alchemize the kind

546
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.480
of negative emotions that are there and turn them into

547
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:26.200
something much more helpful.

548
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:29.839
It's called reframing. Uh I love the word applimized. So

549
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.119
then you get to the sixth throne, comfort and discomfort.

550
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.039
Yes, so yeah, that's that's a pretty self expigue zory one.

551
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:41.000
So it's it's just if you're if you're constantly in

552
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.400
the comfort zone, it's a beautiful place to be, but

553
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:47.960
a sourcer understands that nothing really grows there. It's we

554
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:50.920
all need our comfort and it's it's important. But if

555
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.960
you're constantly in comfort, I guarantee you you're not growing.

556
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:58.799
So it's it's to purposely put yourself in an uncomfortable

557
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.839
situation at least once week, a really uncomfortable situation. So

558
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.079
you know, it's something that you don't want to do,

559
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.119
and it's like, okay, I told myself, I'm going to

560
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:09.440
do something. And especially us here in America, we get

561
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:12.359
so programmed into our you know, daily day to day

562
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:14.240
life and you know it's all I don't want to

563
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:17.240
do that, and you know that's uh no, no, you know,

564
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.599
do something uncomfortable. You know, there's someone asks you to

565
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:25.319
speak at a wedding that's uncomfortable. You know, the first

566
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.799
reaction for pretty much anyone is not I don't want

567
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:31.720
to do that. But these things pushing yourself. You learn

568
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.440
more about yourself when you push yourself into some discomfort.

569
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.440
And if you're never pushing yourself into discomfort, the universe

570
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.720
has a way of shoving you into discomfort. And it's

571
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.759
very it's much more uncomfortable. It's like babies out of

572
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:44.960
the nest of the eagle, you know, Like when you

573
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.119
get shoved into discomfort, it's it's it's a lot more

574
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:50.880
difficult than when you step into yourself. So that's what

575
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:53.319
that wrong is about, Okay, And.

576
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.559
Then we get into the seventh throng, attention to intention.

577
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.039
I love I love the wording that you've got there.

578
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:02.880
I think that you talk about attention to intention.

579
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:07.000
Attention to intention, and you know, I realized, you know,

580
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.920
especially through my thirties, I forget attention deficit disorder. I

581
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:15.119
had intention deficit disorder. I was I was letting my

582
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:20.160
past create my future. When you're constantly living in past

583
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:22.440
memories and past things, you are going to act as

584
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:25.720
that person and continue to draw in more of what

585
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.680
you do not want, you know, thinking and fearing and

586
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:30.799
I like to say worrying is praying for what you

587
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.920
don't want to happen. So it is about being extremely

588
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:39.000
intentional with things. And you know, the best thing I've

589
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:42.240
with attention is intention is you know, I found when

590
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:43.920
I go to the gym and you know, I'll just

591
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.519
pop up and do pull ups, I'll get twelve. But

592
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.039
if I stand there before I jump up there and

593
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.920
say I'm getting fifteen, I get fifteen. So it is

594
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.720
extremely important we are intentional with our energy. And I

595
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.680
have found that to just be a life changing, a

596
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:02.079
life changing thing. And and it's it's it's about coming

597
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:05.279
up with a plan because you can kind of narrate

598
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.039
your way through your lege. You know, you can kind

599
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.319
of Morgan Freeman your way through life if you if

600
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:13.119
you if you really do it purposely. So it's it

601
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:18.440
is about being intentional and creating tuning into your manifestation.

602
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:22.279
So it's like a radio station and your intention and

603
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.160
what you want. And it's like those old radio stations

604
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:26.960
world enough to remember, but you know you have that

605
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.119
little wheel on top and then you have the antenna.

606
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:33.240
But that's mind heart coherence, which is creating the beacon

607
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:37.799
and creating your manifestation signal. It's tuning into those two things.

608
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:39.359
Through the mind and heart all of a sudden, now

609
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:42.200
they're in line. You've got a clear intention with an

610
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:46.480
elevated emotion, and that's when miracles happen. So that is,

611
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:48.400
that's what intention is all about.

612
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:50.599
True. And then you get into the goats over sheep

613
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:51.440
a throng.

614
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:55.200
Yeah, goes over sheep, So that is that's that's the

615
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.839
acronym greatest of all Time, So goats. And it's funny

616
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.160
because the animal itself is kind of what you know,

617
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.880
it represents what I'm talking about here, which is which

618
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.599
is kind of you know, most people were looking at

619
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.000
our sheep. They are they are kind of you know,

620
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.240
everyone just wants to kind of be told what to

621
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.240
do and and they're not really questioning anything. It's just

622
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.759
they're just intaking information and going and and so the

623
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:20.759
majority of the people around you are you know, are sheep.

624
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.039
And the first step to being a goat is kind

625
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:26.279
of know that not all goats are necessary sorcerers. You know,

626
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:27.920
the sorcers are kind of a little bit more humble.

627
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:30.599
Not all goats are super humble, but it is about

628
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:34.240
having that goat mentality. So the greatest of all time,

629
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.839
and you know, you have humility about it, but you

630
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.279
also believe in your mind that you are that person

631
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.519
and it is you know, goats are you know, kind

632
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:47.160
of unheurtable, kind of do their own thing. Animals, you know,

633
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:49.240
on top of being an acronym that they're they're an

634
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.000
appropriate animal compared to a sheep, that it's just they

635
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.799
really kind of do their own thing. And so, you know,

636
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.720
other people can have great stuff for you, but you know,

637
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.599
it's again the world of gray. Other people's opinions can

638
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:04.480
be both helpful and destructive. And a goat sorcer or

639
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.079
goat you know, is going to work that way through

640
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.000
his intuition and come up with the best answer.

641
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:12.480
And it's really understanding the goodness that lies within you,

642
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.199
and you know you are at that higher level. And

643
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.000
then we get into the ninth throng, which is follow

644
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:20.199
your bliss, and we're going to go a little faster

645
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:22.280
here because we're getting close to time.

646
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:26.360
Yeah, and that's yeah, that's the Joseph Campbell Hero's Journey

647
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.159
initiation separation. And in that one, I also get into

648
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:33.199
a lot of the simulation theory and how you know,

649
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:36.280
I have a really good, great argument for this being

650
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:40.519
a simulation which is essentially, you know, a training ground

651
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:42.519
for love is what I consider this to be, you know,

652
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.159
a simulation for that. So that kind of gets into

653
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:45.800
that a little bit.

654
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:48.639
Okay, and then the tenth rog and I like this

655
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:51.920
when Rose Colored Contacts talk a little bit about what

656
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.960
the people that we surround ourselves with and how that

657
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:56.440
literally affects us.

658
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.559
Yeah, so that's the perspective as you were talking about,

659
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:03.280
and you know, having a better perspective on things, having

660
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:07.119
better gratitude and and being around you know, others that

661
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.360
tend to it's it's very good to set you know,

662
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.639
an airplane has lifters and drags. You know, it's and

663
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:16.199
it's very important. You know, lifters bring it up into

664
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:18.280
the air and the drags will slow it down to land.

665
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.400
And we have those in our lives too, and it's

666
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:25.159
it's very important to identify our lifters and our drags

667
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:27.679
in our life and you know, be around the lifters

668
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.159
more and less around the drags, and and it's you know,

669
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:32.079
we have kind of a name for them now and

670
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.039
their energy vampires, and these are you know, these are

671
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.519
people that we need to do our best to keep

672
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:39.360
our because a lot of them don't even understand what

673
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.960
they're doing. They're just stuck in their own perceptive world

674
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:46.280
of negativity and continuing to just like I said, recycle

675
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:48.599
that old energy and and and they're just they're just

676
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:51.280
stuck in a loop and they have no idea. And

677
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.519
so these are kind of people that we need to

678
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.000
just identify and then and then do something about it.

679
00:35:56.199 --> 00:36:00.480
And sometimes that's stuff because sometimes it's quote friends. And

680
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:03.360
yet when you start to realize that that energy is

681
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:07.320
negative and affecting you, it's tough to make that separation

682
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:11.639
and that disconnect. But as you say, it is so essential.

683
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:16.079
Now the eleventh for one interesting instinct versus intuition.

684
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:21.119
Mm yep. That's a lot of people get those. They're

685
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.639
they're they're confused, or they use them interchangeably. Instinct and intuition.

686
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:26.679
But they're very different things. And that's why I go

687
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.719
over and that rung is that instinct is it lives

688
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.119
in the gut and intuition lives in the heart. And

689
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.679
although we do need instinct at times, you know, I

690
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:37.159
compare to like, let's say you're walking down a street

691
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.159
on the way home from work, and all of a sudden,

692
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:40.519
you know, there's a drive by and there's a gun

693
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:42.239
hanging out of there. This is a good time to

694
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.639
give into your instinct and react. Instinct is react, but

695
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:48.320
if you don't process the trauma properly from an incident

696
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.440
like this, every time you walk home from work, you're

697
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:52.199
going to duck away from every car on the way home,

698
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:53.639
and then you're going to get home and never leave.

699
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:57.239
So and that is when instinct has hit overdrive. And

700
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.760
many of us are in this instinctual overdrive. And this

701
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:04.559
this that's the fight or flight where we're we're constantly

702
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.039
you know this is it was a very adaptive at

703
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.880
one time in our lives. And now you know, running

704
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.440
from the tiger. We no longer need to run from tigers.

705
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:14.559
So now you know, the tiger has now become a

706
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.880
coworker in law, and now we're in this constant instinctual

707
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:20.480
fighter flight. And so it's getting out of that. And

708
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:23.320
and and I have intuition training there where I go

709
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:26.360
into how to actually train your intuition and get in

710
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:29.960
touch with you on the player side of the simulation

711
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:33.119
that that is the higher self, and how to ask

712
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:36.760
questions and how to build a relationship with your higher

713
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.920
self so that you can now use your intuition instead

714
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.960
of always instinct because they can run an overdrive and

715
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.000
and and ruin our lives. They really can't.

716
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.760
And that's that's a great point. So then you get

717
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:51.239
into the twelfth round, that chakra life.

718
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.920
Yeah, that's yeah, that's just that's really about balancing shockers

719
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.719
and the importance of recognizing them where they are. I

720
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.199
get into that and just you know what they are,

721
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.119
where they are, where they're located energy little board Texas,

722
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.079
and and how to how to best balance them and

723
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:09.920
keep you know, and and keep them balanced. So yeah,

724
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:12.400
it is they are. They are real, So that that's

725
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:13.480
that's that's an important part.

726
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:17.440
Well, they're real, and what they represent is even more real.

727
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:20.679
And for folks to say, well chakras, Yeah, but really

728
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.960
what they're representing is our whole life and how we

729
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.119
respond and and I think that's so important. And then

730
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.519
you get into the final rong, the thirteenth wrong, which

731
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:34.159
is an assist leader. Yeah, understand that one.

732
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.519
Yeah, that's uh so that's about, you know, becoming an

733
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:41.559
assist leader. So I'm I'm a former basketball player or

734
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:43.800
to play anymore, but I used to and you know,

735
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.880
the uh, some of my favorite basketball players were assist leaders,

736
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.559
you know, like Chris Paul and Steve Nash and and

737
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:53.559
you know, these these guys were very good at assisting

738
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:55.440
other people that you know, they were good at scoring,

739
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.400
but what they'll remember most as is as as helping

740
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.440
their teammates to succeed. And that is what assist leaders do.

741
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:04.960
So it is you know, it's about kind of finding

742
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.639
your own apprentice, like kind of explaining, you know, like

743
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:09.880
kind of going through the rungs and getting yourself better.

744
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.159
But the whole point of the book is to try

745
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:17.559
to continue it because you know, like it's with many things,

746
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.519
you know, education can wear off if we don't continue

747
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.199
to use it. You know, I got my personal trainer's

748
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:26.639
license over COVID, but I can't currently call myself a

749
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.039
personal trainer because you have to take a class every

750
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.400
year to keep it going. So, you know, like that's

751
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:33.920
the continuing education of it. A lot of the stuff

752
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:37.000
I learned it in college. You know, I passed pre

753
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.960
algebra in college. But there's absolutely no way you would

754
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.280
you'd give me a problem with numbers and letters attached

755
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:44.599
to it that I'm going to be able to solve it.

756
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:48.239
I have no idea, not a clue, So assist leader.

757
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:51.480
It's about keeping this information going and helping other people,

758
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:55.760
finding your own apprentice, you know, and and teaching because

759
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:58.360
once you start teaching, then it really gets into your

760
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:00.440
psyching and your soul and you start bec and and

761
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:02.719
staying that person. So that's true.

762
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:05.920
And you know in your book, as I was looking

763
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.360
at it, it's like, all right, there's a thirteenth that oh, whoops,

764
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:09.440
there's an encore.

765
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:12.559
Yeah. Yeah, that's just kind of that's kind of just

766
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:14.639
kind of the sum nation of everything. I kind of

767
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.960
go over just just with you know, what what what

768
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.159
to do, and and you know how important it is

769
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:22.280
to kind of keep things going. And you know, if

770
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.480
you picture your journey like like that, like the stock market,

771
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.199
you know, the stock market is something that you know,

772
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.000
it's had its huge downfalls and crashes over time, but

773
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.880
if you look at the the grand scope of things,

774
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.960
it's it's gone from you know, very minimal to you know,

775
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.039
it's a forty thousand or whatever now and it's it's

776
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:44.360
it's now, you know, thousands of times what it was worth.

777
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.199
So over time it continues to go, but you're going

778
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.039
to have these times of uncertainty and crashes and but

779
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.800
over time it's going to continue to go up. So

780
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.280
if you look at your life like the stock market,

781
00:40:57.679 --> 00:40:59.559
it's going to continue to go up, but you have

782
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:00.920
to get through those depths.

783
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:03.280
Well. And as we talk about encore and then what

784
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:06.039
would be a message that you'd like to share with

785
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.079
the audience kind of as a final message and.

786
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:12.840
Thought, uh, you know it's I've kind of thought and

787
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.079
you know, the main message I'd like to share with

788
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:19.280
people and something that I wish someone had told me

789
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.119
is you know, the world may be against you, but

790
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:26.840
the universe is for you. And really that's that's all

791
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:28.480
that mattered. That's all that mattered.

792
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:33.400
Yeah, okay, good message. So how do people find your book?

793
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:37.480
Yeah, so it's on Amazon searched by my name Justin l. Shab.

794
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:39.159
I don't know if you have links or whatever I

795
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:41.119
can I can send you to, but if you just

796
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:43.559
search for my name justin l. Shab, it's kind of

797
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.039
hard with the sorcery misspelled. It wants to autocorrect it

798
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:48.119
and stuff. So it's the best way is Amazon and

799
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:52.079
my name. I just recently, I've been off I've been

800
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.599
off social media for four years now and I just

801
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:58.480
got back on Instagram like last week. So if if

802
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:00.960
you if you follow me, I'll follow you back because

803
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:02.719
it's all good people. I haven't even told my friends

804
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:04.440
and family I'm on it because I kind of wanted

805
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:06.639
to just be like, I want to see like all

806
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.480
these people from these fun podcasts and these are kind

807
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:13.280
of my people. So a Sorcerer with a you underscore

808
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.519
thirteen on Instagram. And that's that's all I've got going

809
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:18.559
right now. I'm just at the very beatings of this

810
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:20.719
book just came out, you know, six weeks ago or whatever,

811
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:23.840
so things are still happening and I'm still building stuff

812
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:25.800
and working on a website but it's not up yet.

813
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:28.280
So it's yeah, it's all coming together. But that's what

814
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:28.880
I got right now.

815
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:33.559
So and are you ultimately wanting to become that assist

816
00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:37.119
leader and actually start to work with people and become

817
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:38.880
a coach of some sort.

818
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.039
Yes, yeah, I would love to be able to do that.

819
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.639
I'm kind of on maybe on the macro level. I'd

820
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:49.079
love to, you know, get together some webinars or even

821
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:51.480
go on kind of tours. And I call myself a

822
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.599
mystical comedian because you've got your comedians, You're kind of

823
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:57.960
spiritual teachers leaders, and I'm kind of a mix of

824
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.400
the two. So I would love to be able to

825
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.039
get together and you know, like have a thing where

826
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:05.880
I like to write meditations and I do that, and

827
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.480
so to be able to bring in and get people

828
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:11.639
to have this really powerful meditation to get going and

829
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:15.000
then you know, make people laugh and think and feel

830
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.159
all at the same time and kind of do like

831
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:22.480
a stand up that would be amazing. So there's stuff happening.

832
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:25.400
I just I was just told, get the book out,

833
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:27.760
write the book. You need a place to start. Here

834
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:29.519
it is now let's see where this is.

835
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:32.119
Going to go. Great, great, hey, well and good luck

836
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.440
with that. I know that you're going to have some

837
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.719
effect on some other people. And I appreciate the fact

838
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.880
this book, I think is so effective as we went

839
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.159
through each of the wrongs of how someone literally, if

840
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:48.000
they'll read it, can start to experience a complete change

841
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:53.239
in their life and develop a new sense of reality

842
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:57.239
for themselves. So appreciate very much what you've done, and folks,

843
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:00.280
appreciate the fact that you're listening today and if you

844
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.320
enjoyed it, look forward to having the joints again soon.

845
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:07.400
So this is doctor Doug saying no mistay