Quiet the Noise, Hear Your Wisdom — with Nadege Laure

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0:42 Denzel Washington, Welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to. Say today, welcome to the show. Hello, thank you for having me. I'm really excited that the things that you do and the things that you talk about, I think are going to be so fascinating for the audience. So I'm looking forward to this conversation. Thank you. I hope so, I hope people will enjoy it and get something out of it. So were you living I'm in Melbourne, Australia and I have for nearly over fifteen years. That's exciting, that's exciting, But. I'm originally from friends here.

1:25 Okay, Yeah, you might be enjoying Australia more at this point in time very much. So, you know, one of the questions I always ask my guests is to kind of tell the story. There's always a journey that you go through to reach you to this point of doing what you're doing, and I'd love for you to share with the audience your journey. What was what was that aha moment? What was that situation? What brought you to this point? I. As far as I can remember, so even in primary school, I was already writing in a diary about my day and about you know, emotions of things that I was feeling.

2:10 I've always been curious about why we're here and what we meant to be doing, So that was a big, big question for me also in my teenage years, and that's when I discovered Buddhist meditation. So that was a big tool in helping me going words and start connecting with something greater and sort of experience touching onto something sacred or at least, you know, bigger than myself. And when I was eighteen years old, my mom passed away, and that truly reinforced that quest of finding out the meaning of life, why we're here, because surely, you know, we just didn't come here to be stuck in traffic and go to work and you know, run after something materialistic that will not nourish it. So I've always been convinced and looking for the purpose, the meaning of life, and that led me, you know, to backpacking and traveling all over the world for a few years and studying with different teachers, exploring different faith or different philosophical schools, or really trying to get answers from everywhere up until the point I read a quote by Rhina Maria Rilko who said the only journey is the one within. And that was a bit of a harm moment, as you said, in terms of flipping the thing on its head, because

3:42 I realized that I had been searching for all of these answers outside of myself, kind of expecting that someone would tell me, this is what you're here to do. And so I really, you know, went further inwards with meditation, with yoga. I had kept a journaling practice on enough, but then at that point it going back into my life a lot more stronger and more regularly, so a lot of introspective practices to know myself better, to discover that sense of purpose myself. And so this is what I help women with nowadays, people who are a bit in a transition or in between chapters and finding more that sense of meaning and purpose and the confidence to go for it, to embody it and to live.

4:38 You know that I love that, and I love that quote that you shared. I actually have that one written down. The only journey is the one within, and you know that that is so true and for me, it's fascinating. I love theology, and so you know, I've studied Buddhism. I happen to be a Christian, and you know, as I look at that, and one of the things I've looked at is getting into the New Testament and kind of looking at what was taught there in a slightly different perspective. And as I did that, I recognize that most of the parables that were taught there were find yourself, go within, And that's an interesting perspective when you look at that. And so yeah, you know, as you did that, one of the questions that I have that has nothing to do with what you thought we were going to talk about. But I find that, you know, as you talk about within, the sacredness within and so forth, it's been interesting to me to see the evolution that has occurred.

5:47 And if we go back and this is this is fascinating. And you may have seen this, but going back to twenty five hundred BCE, twenty twenty five hundred BCE, there was a whole a different perspective of God and belief in God. And it's interesting when you look at Hebrew, when you look at Hinduism, when you look at the Chinese, they all had a similar belief in a God and his partner, a feminine God or a godness all right. And it's interesting that then as you trace it down, philosophers come in all of a sudden, this is modified a little bit, This is modified a little bit to the point. Now where with Buddha, for instance, you know he was Hindu, but by the time he came into life, he was challenged with seeing all these people suffering and so forth, and so he ended up not really sure, never saying is there a God or isn't there a God?

6:49 It was just you know, it was more internal as you're talking about here, So what are your thoughts on that. How do you help people to because I'm sure as you're working with people, many of them are religious, many of them are not. How do you help them to understand what you're really trying to help them to do, to find that light within exists with them. That's a really good question. And so surprisingly religion hasn't really been a big part with any client. I know, as you said, I'm aware some of them believe have faith, often Christians, and others don't. And yeah, it's funny you ask the question because it actually makes me reflect on how they each of them, how they perceive what that sacrenous is. And it seems like if I think back, you know, on a couple of people who dated, they weren't religious, they still feel that there's something else And I think, you know, maybe we don't have to label it.

8:01 Maybe people don't have to say, you know, if they have a faith or what they believe in. But I think it's that sense of something greater, that we are just tiny and there is a meaning to life. And then it's that part of there's a bit of surrender into the hope the hopefulness of what would be, what could be, a trust in that unknown. And so maybe people who are a bit more religious have more of that confidence and face, you know, to jump into the unknown and have a sense of peace with that. Maybe they might be a bit more daring or encouraged to make the change, whereas maybe the women who you know said they were atheists would require a little bit more work into the fears or removing the fear, or having that the belief reframed that you will be supported into what you choose to do, if it's on your path, if it's meant to be.

9:03 Do you find that there's kind of this longing for that understanding of self and the goodness and the light that exists and the sacredness it exists within each one of us. I think so. And I think it's been changing, you know, the last few years. I think there's always been a quest in one way or another. I think it's been a lot more emphasize and strength in the last few years, probably with the pandemic, right when people were stuck at home with a lot of their habits removed or connections removed, and they had to spend a lot more time with themselves. So I believe that that has opened the door for a lot of people, you know, to search to have more meaning, like who am I without my job? You know?

9:49 What am I meant to be doing? What do I truly want to do? And I think there's more of a realization, you know, because we if it's you know, women, when we sold the beauty magazines or you know, all of the facial creams and the fashion, all these external qualifiers, all those external things, I think women got really tired of it, and there's more of a removing those layers and going for something that's a lot more concrete and a lot more profound. Yes, yes, I you know, I feel like there's a longing and people can't even necessarily identify. But as I was talking right from the beginning, to see how here's an original belief in a sense of solidity, and then as as time goes on and philosophers come in, they start to change things, and all of a sudden, here we are not you know, like Buddha, he was at a pointing time where he couldn't say is there a God?

10:52 Is there not a God? I just see all the sufferings, so I can't even say, and yet you know, so he really felt on that inner self, which I think is amazing and isn't it interesting? I think that there's such a longing to understand, and yet we've been so influenced by everything around us, sometimes we've lost that, and yet that inter longing is always there, that inter understanding of wanting to know the self and wanting to understand that, you know, we truly are good, We truly have that light within us. And as as your whole focus is to help women to discover that within themselves, and how do you how do you help them to you know, when they come to you and you're working with them and they're struggling and so forth, how do you help them to reconnect? And I would say it's a reconnection with that inner self. But before we get to that question, I want you to tell the audience about the book that you wrote, the poems.

11:57 So I wrote a book called Poems for Living and it's a collections of poems that are very introspective in nature. It was a time when I was teaching a lot of yoga, yin yoga and meditation, so very convative practices, and there were words I would share during my classes about stillness and looking inwards, building that confidence, listening to the inner voice. And then a few of them are about that shift of once you've been on that internal journey, there's an upward energy, there's a growth. So it's a blend of both, and it's very much for It's not just for you know, yogis or meditation practitioners. It's people who like to journal, people who like to contemplate while seeping on a cup of tea. That's the image I had at the start, you know, people just slipping tea, reading a book, reading a poem, closing the book in about it. And it's interesting because of the it came out almost two years ago now and the feedback the last couple of years is that it's stocked in a few shops around me. And the feedback is that it's greater than gift, and it's been gifted to a lot of women during a divorce, women who are changing careers, women you know when you've got your kids are big and they're leaving the house, or that empty nest syndrome,

13:30 and women rediscovering themselves. So it's been reaching very much all all those people at that you know tipping point at that journey of rediscovery. What's next? What's the next chapter that I want to write? Oh, and I'd love for you to read one of You're a poems. One of the ones that attracted me is this poem called internal Revolution. Would you read that for the audience. I think that will be a great start to even conversation here. I'd love to internal Revolution. In this moment of stillness and contemplation. There is something whispering to me. In the fasting from language and movement, I am touching upon the sacred.

14:16 It can be felt in my inner sanctuary. There, in complete surrender, I receive the breath, its magic and healing. There, in open and kind presence is our doorway to accessing ourn wisdom. I love it. I have to tell you that as I was getting ready for this, and obviously this was a few months ago, and then we had to schedule a little bit later, but it was so inspirational to me. And I remember walking, which I do. I try to walk two to three times a week, and as I was walking around and I'm not in the city, I'm in a more rural area, so walking around and as I was coming back home, I was walking past rice fields, and you know, trees all over and everything, but right in the middle of this rice field was a singular tree, standing by itself and nothing closer than fifty yards of other trees. And I looked at that and I thought about what you talked about with stillness, and thought about this poem and thought, you know, it's so interesting that we don't talk about that stillness. And you know, one of the things that comes to my mind when I was thinking about that. You know, you have the stillness, but you also have the loneliness. And I think there's a difference. So as you're working with your clients, how many times do you find that they're lonely in some

15:48 way and you're able to convert that over and reprogram that over to an understanding of stillness. So, rather than being a victim of loneliness, are now in power of stillness. That's such a good question. I think women often feel lonely because they might assume, you know, they're weird or they're going through something different, or yeah, they are different. They feel weird and disconnected, So I think there's a self directed withdrawal out of the group, and then they kind of suffer in violence, ruminating things, and when they, you know, reach out to me, that's already a first step of wanting something else. Through all of those introspective practices I offer, and in the one on one discussion or mentoring, I often guide them through a little meditation, whether it's at the start or at the end, depending on how you know, the discussion flows to help them bring them more in presence, connecting themselves. And I think for a lot of them it's that whether they practice or not, you know beforehand, with whether they're familiar with that sense of stillness beforehand or not, it is bringing them even closer to themselves at their core. And I

17:18 believe there's a bit of an addiction that once you start experiencing that stillness and when you're there, there is a connection with something else you do here, you're on wisdom more. There is something that happens that is so precious in that moment, and they feel that. And I think that the you know, the start to something else, or the start to shifting maybe the loneliness and keeping everything inside, to being more open, to sharing, with openness, with vulnerability, with humility, whatever they think makes them an outsider well and. As you talk about their own wisdom, but then you talk about the light that is within, the sacredness within, recognizing that that wisdom is potentially more of an eternal wisdom, something something that they're able to tap into that becomes their own wisdom because they've learned to be still. How important is it for meditation to be able to reach that level of stillness within yourself and to start to tap in to that eternal wisdom.

18:32 Well that at different degrees of mediation, right right, I think it looks so different for many many people. You know, you'll have people at the start of the journey where they can get just a few seconds of actual stillness, physical stillness, and then ten seconds of mental quiet that's already a big ween and then you've got more experience to meditators maybe even on a bad day that you know they're going to have a lot of that chata and discomfort, physical discomfort in the body. So it's so dependent on each person and where you're at on the journey. I think for me, what really helped and you're probably familiar with the the passionate silent meditations, and each time it was an incredible experience for me, but that really helped me to discern that the mental chatter what's happening versus the inner voice, and really practicing that stillness of the witness, the observer, what's happening within me, and then you know, further further than that, being able to welcome all of it and not judge it. For oh my god, that's so much going on in my mind today. Oh my god, I can't stop thinking, because the goal of meditation is not that, you know, stopping to think, but it's cultivating that, like being a witness of your own thoughts, some of your own self.

20:02 Well, I love the story, you know, as you talked about Buddhist meditation. I love the story about Buddha and I don't know how true it is, but it's when that goes on where some of his followers approached him and said who are you? Are you? Are you God? And he goes no, He said, well are you a prophet? Are you a seer? No? Well who are you? And he goes, I am awake? And I love that because that that is the whole key to illness is and it is to learn to be still enough that you're awake. And yes, as you say, we get a lot of that junk coming in, but as you're at that point in time where you're able to just move it away and recognize that that's all it is is sometimes junk or sometimes inspiration or whatever, that stillness is what's allowing us to get there. So, when you have a client come in and they're all over the board, how do you help them to achieve stillness in their life?

21:02 Before we connect, they have to fill in a little form, which gives me some insight already, has to you know, what we're working on, what challenging, what challenges they're facing, if there's any practices that help them. So I have a bit of an idea. Often as an intuitive I do get you know, flashes or messages coming through already, and then when we connect, we decide on what their intention is for that time together. And as I said, sometimes it happens at the start to that meditation, sometimes it's at the end, depending on the state they're coming in, And sometimes it is at the start to help them ground and arrive and be present. Sometimes it's at the end to really reinforce and start to embody the things we discuss. And it's been sometimes just breathing, mindful breathing.

21:53 You know, for those who don't practice meditation, often they enjoy a bit of guided meditation with that specific focus and intention in mind. And sometimes it's a bit of journaling. Sometimes they don't want to be still. I worked, you know with a woman recently who had ADHD couldn't sit still on the on the call, and so she was just walking around and for her writing and journaling was that way of channeling her thoughts and her presence. So journaling, I would say, is another very useful tool, you know, to access your inner voice, your in wisdom and then sometimes through in practice. So that would be more of a homework type thing, depending on you know, what the main thing is coming up for them to work on.

22:43 With my knowledge of n your guy and the Meridians of Chinese medicine, I would probably give them one pose to practice. Yeah, So that different ways of accessing that stillness and that in a wisdom, which is beautiful because it's never up one size for all and that's you know, part of the process of helping them find what works best for them well. And I love that because as you say, there is no one best way, you know, for me, it's walking. And I'll walk you know, two to three kilometers and even more two to three miles actually, And it's fascinating to me that as I get into that and I listen to meditative music, you know, different frequencies and so forth, and as I as I allow my mind to go and yeah, there's a lot of thoughts that come in, but as they start to breathe and do all of that, for me, it's walking. And I think it's so important, as you pointed out that not everyone is the same and therefore, you know, whether it's writing now for me journaling, I have a difficult time doing that, but everyone can find their own way of achieving that stillness. And and you you hit on another point which I think is so important, particularly in society today. There's so much anger, there's so much activity going on that is certainly not helping the world in any way in a positive way.

24:13 And you hit on such an important point that our behavior reflects that inner level of stillness that we have achieved. And as you look at that and recognize that, you know, for those that are anger and blah blah blah, all of that they have not achieved. Quite honestly, that stillness, because when you start to see people who are loving, who are kind, who are empathetic, who are charitable, you recognize that they have started to achieve that level of stillness and sacredness within, and it's just reflective in their behavior. Very true, and I think that's why you approach people with a lot of anger, maybe asking them to sit still in meditation or mindfulness is probably not the best way that I think that's probably the kind of people who would benefit from walking or you know, fast walking or running a kind of physical activity that would help the body to shed a lot of that energy and anger.

25:14 And then maybe after that, you know, when it starts to descend having more of any kind of introspective practice that appeals to them. Do you have any stories that kind of show a dramatic change within a person that has come to you for help where they're they're at a certain level and you have just seen that dramatic change that they've been able to achieve to where they really have achieved that stillness, that awareness, that awakeness. Often in in yoga classes, people who would arrive, you know, at the end of the day while quite angsty from the day or agitated, or people who rushed to be there, or they've got, you know, things going on in the personal life. And after practice that would leave saying, oh God, like I feel like a different person, you know, Or that was so grounding, or that was so peaceful. You know, your voice was like a lullaby, or it was a lullaby to guide me to really relax. So with that practice, it was really night and day for a lot of people in one on ones. I think often the change is coming from being able to truly listen mindfully to what they have to say, because that's another thing, you know, in our society where we just listen to respond, or we don't really listen and we interrupt other people we have to get our point across. There's not a lot

26:47 of mindful, patient listening going on, and I think people really crave and really need to be heard. And often the talking out of things of blocks of those big dreams they have but don't really allow themselves to express or to even try to reach that. Often after the conversation, I had a woman who finished her she was writing a book. She had a manuscript, you know, on hold on her bookshelf for several several months and after a conversation and she messaged me two weeks later saying, I finished the manuscript. I'm about to send it. And that was very heartwarming to me to see the impact. But I guess it's the kind of transformation that happens from talking and mindfully listening and opening the heart. I love every single one of them. I see them all as individuals, So I think it's not that level also being seen and being heard and being accompanied along the way lovingly, compassionately, with great air. I think, you know it's so who venture things that make the difference.

28:07 Yeah, And you know you talk about people you make me smile, and you talk about people who go to work and they're just they're so upset, they're frustrated, that's all going on. They come to the classing yoga in the evening, they finally settle down, they go home, they probably get a decent sleep, and then they go back to work and what happens. It's all there again, and then hopefully they can come back to you and you don't get to relax again. How do you help those people to live through that day at work or whatever it happens to be, and rather than constantly going back and forth from stillness. When they do that evening activity with you versus the rest of the day, they're frustrated, they're anxious, they're feeling that. How do you help them to get to the point that, even during the day, when you have all of these things coming at you in work or in life life in general, to still reach that point that they're able to reach at the end of your yoga class.

29:07 Well, I'm hoping. I want to trans I want to transmit to the tools, right. I don't want people to be dependent on me or depending on the class to feel good. So at the start, I always teach a little mindful breathing practice or some kind of somatic practice to help people get into their body or into their breath or connect. And it's the kind of thing if you're at work, you can go and hide in the bathroom for a minute and do the practice. You can even do it at your desk. You know, three five long, slow, mindful breathing, one hand on your belly, feeling that movement of the breath in the body. And that's already a great way to calm down, to bring your attention back to the here and now and The other thing is I organize forest journeys of forest bathing, and that's another thing that you know, people I feel like really craving nature and really need to go back to nature. And you know, even if I guide the walk and the mindful practices that we do, I always say, it's not me, it's the forest. So it's just this thing of being in a different environment, but particularly in nature, and it's for people to give to themselves that moment to pause.

30:24 I think with yoga, people, you know who start yoga, if they commit to coming twice a week, if they have to skip a class one day, they are going to feel it and they will tell you so they say, oh my god, you know, I really felt the difference. And I think it's once they start experiencing that change, the positive change and that feeling that yoga brings them, or that the walk in the forest bring them, then they are able on themselves to be more committed to it and to find ways of bringing that into their life. It's interesting how important nature is. Isn't it to be a important to be able to get out? I know on my walks, I found a really cool way to walk around even though there's no mountains, and I love mountains.

31:12 You know, my place in Utah, I'm right in the middle of mountain beautiful. Yeah, but it was the last. Month it's sunnying. I loved it, isn't it gorgeous? Beautiful? So here there's no mountains, and yet as I've walked, finally found a place where there's this beautiful I would say it's a lake. It's really a huge, huge pond that they used for water for the area. But as I've as I've found that as I walk and then as I stop, and that's one of the things I've learned, is to stop and to appreciate that nature, to appreciate the greenness of the rice fields, or to appreciate the water and the reflection of the clouds in the sun in the water. And when I stop and do that, it's such an amazing feeling. And you know, how do you help people to achieve that point of they're able to actually recognize that they need to stop. You know, it's constantly to go, go, go, go go, But when do you stop and just look around and appreciate the nature and the creation that is around you.

32:22 Well, the first step is to you know, getting them onto that journey, getting them to say yes to the first steps so they can actually come and experience it. Because we can talk. There's a lot of research on forest bathing and the benefits, and you need to be in nature two hours every week, you know, for maximum benefits. So you can tell these things to people, but then you'll stay at that cognitive level. It's really getting people onto their journey to try it out for themselves. And then as I said, it's not really me, it's the forest or it's the practice, but I think it's that level of again, like you know in the one on one conversation, it's that level of presence and holding the group and yet seeing every person as an individual with their own thing that they're bringing to the walk. And even with the forest journeys, you know, you don't, I know that it's pretty difficult for a lot of people to get to a forest or to get to a beach.

33:27 But it's things you can do that practices you can do in a park, maybe in your suburb or where you leave. There are little pockets of nature that you can find. And I believe a bit like you know, the stillness we were talking about earlier, that's a bit of an addictive thing that once you start feeling like you in the right field, right, like you know that feeling you need to go every day or you or regularly. And I think people once they feel it, they know they need it. And then I think it's working on the mindset of Okay, I know this is good for me. I know I need it. They're going to come up with a lot of reasons not to be able to.

34:09 You know, got a lot of work, it's a long drive. I can't have that amount of free time every week to do it. So it's finding ways that they can bring those things into the daily life. It can be incorporated as opposed to be added onto that to do list. Well, and you know you talked about losing your mom at eighteen and how for you that grief became a portal to a soulful life. And so many times when people experience that type of loss, they rather than finding it as a portal to something deeper, it becomes they become a victim of this has happened, and how could this happen? How could God let this happen? Or whatever it is. In a very brief moment, how do you brief time, how do you help them to move into that portal to guide them in the soulful. I mean, if they've experienced some type of loss in their life.

35:11 It's a delicate area, isn't it. Because it's grief. It's such a personal thing and people experience it in so many different ways, and it takes very different lengths of time for all of us to move through it. It's finding I think, different way talking it out, finding different ways, helping people reframe, and this might be a bit challenging, but helping people see the positive in the challenge. So I guess that can be a bit controversial when you say, you know what, God let that happen? This is what the kind of questions that I asked myself, and I became very angry. I was raised Christian as well, and I was very angry with God at that time that I didn't understand why she was a good person. Why would you take her and not another criminal or someone who does bad deeds on earth. So there's a lot of those questions and thoughts that go through the mind of people, you know, experiencing grief and they do need a place or whether it's the journaling, whether it's speaking about it in a group setting, whether it's speaking about it one on one, whether it's those walks or time spent in nature. We're talking about God, right, and I feel like God is an expression or you can see an expression of God through nature, and it's it holds you.

36:38 There's something really sacred and beautiful that is God like in nature. So again, I think it's guiding them to explore different ways, different strategies, and also giving them the freedom to move through it in their own time because it's something that really can't be on a schedule. So having conversation opening doors, you know, opening perceptions, opening what if and maybe you know, dropping seeds that might bloom in their own time for them to receive them fully. Yeah, and you know what comes to my mind is why did God allow your mom to die? Be guess what.

37:20 Look at where you are right now, look at what you're doing, and look at the value and the difference that you're making in people's lives. Because that was the beginning of entering that portal to selful living. And it's interesting that if we look back at those situations, if again, if we allow us to move forward in a positive way rather than a victimhood. All of a sudden we find those experiences that are so terrible and so difficult, all of a sudden give us a guidance of strength, a direct that we would have never expected. And yet all of a sudden we find ourselves now making a difference in other people's lives. And absolutely so I have to say that as I've read some of your poems and you have been such an inspiration, I can't tell you you know, as I did that, it was like, wow, I am so inspired. I'm so looking forward to getting you all nice and and so I just want people to know, you know, these poems and this that the you know, the things that you have put into these poems and in your book are so inspiring and I would just encourage people to really get hold of that and to seek that inspiration which you have offered the people.

38:45 How do people find you? So you can find me on my website www dot nadeeslaw dot com. You can get the book on Amazon, book Toopia, Yuah, Barts and Nobles. There's a few online retailers if you are in Melbourne, there are a few shops stocking it. And then when I do one on one. When I do group events around here, I always have a few copies as well. But get online around here? And do you do you work with people worldwide? Are you strictly in Australia. Then I do a lot of mentoring online. I actually have a lot of people from the US connecting that I've got. I've got people based in Germany, in Germany, the UK, Australia. Yeah, so everything mentoring can be online.

39:39 I do offer some journaling circle Verina and then online as well as in person. Yeah, and sometimes it's a bit imprompture gathering, showing up a bit of a you know, poetry reading and writing. I'm working on a six week course that will probably come out next year about the voice expression, so going within but then that step of verbalizing it through poetry, writing or movement or you know, painting. I've got a lot of creative and sensitive women, highly emotionally intelligent people, but often yeah, very creative, very different medium.

40:24 So yes, that's the exciting thing on the horizon. So as a final message, what would that be to the audience. I would like to tell everybody listening that if you're feeling a little inkling to try something new, to go for it. You have to. We have a limited amount of time on this planet. We are here for a reason. There's one in five hundred billion chances to be born. So if your heart is talking to you, listen and make it happen. That's what you're meant to be doing. Thank you so much. That is just wonderful and I appreciate you being on the show. Folks, Thanks for listening.

41:08 I hope you've enjoyed this, and again I can't encourage you enough to go get that book of poems and really appreciate what's being said there. So anyway to look forward to having you join us again soon. This is doctor Doug saying, honest. Day, thank you Doug for the conversation. I really enjoyed it. Thanks, thank you,