Jan. 26, 2026

Holly Copeland on Inner Rewilding: Meditation, Healing Frequencies & Real Joy

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Dr. Doug talks with Holly (@rewildingholly) about her journey from conservation scientist to spiritual guide after a health and existential crisis. They explore quick meditations, spirituality vs. religion, overcoming ego stories, and frequency-based healing (tuning forks). Holly’s 4 A’s—Awaken, Attune, Allow, Align—offer a practical path to joy, purpose, and service. https://www.hollycopeland.co/

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Already, welcome to the show.

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Thanks doctor Doug. Im so delighted to be here.

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I notice you're closing your eyes. I assume was a

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little quick meditation for a few seconds.

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That's right, That's exactly right.

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I love that.

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So hey share with the audience where you're from and

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also kind of the story the background.

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It's always fascinating to me.

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Everyone has a different journey, a different story about what

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brings them to the point of doing what they're doing now,

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which is why we have you on the podcast.

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Yeah, thank you. Well, I'm based in California, Northern California,

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so that's where I'm calling from. And my story really

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starts as an ecologist. Well it starts as a child

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who absolutely was in love with the environment and who

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did a lot of camping and backpacking and you know,

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scampering around the oceans of California and tide pooling and

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things like that. And then I became a conservation scientist

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as a career, and I studied that and I did

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that career for twenty five years working for your conservancy,

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and I had a really beautiful, prosperous career there. But

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about in my mid forties, I came to a point

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where a number of things collided in my personal life.

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One was I got mold poisoning, so I had a

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really significant health crisis. And the other was I had

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that I guess you'd call it maybe spiritual crisis, that

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feeling you know, after your kids are you know, you're

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not just in diapers anymore. I don't know if you

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have kids or not, but my kids. Okay, there we go.

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So you know, you come out of the haze of

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early of your kids, you know, you can actually feel

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like you can be a person again. And I was

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really sad, really sad about the planet, really sad about

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what humans are doing, feeling like nothing I did as

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an environmentalist whatever be enough, and feeling weighted down by

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the destruction of the planet. And I would say that

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it just my heart felt really heavy, and it was

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a sense where like when I was younger, I had

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that kind of you know, we're going to beat this,

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We're going to do you know, humanity is going to

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rise up, And it just didn't feel that way anymore,

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and fed it just felt like I just felt really defeated.

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And despite the fact that you know, I had everything

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in the world in sense of, you know, a loving husband,

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and my kids were successful, and I had a really

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good job, and I didn't really know how to be happy.

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That's the bottom line. I wasn't happy. And I was like,

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if all of this has happened and I'm not happy,

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you know, how could I ever be happy? And do

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I even have a right to be happy? You know?

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Do I have a right to be happy? When so

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many people in the world are suffering, or so many

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animals are suffering, and that existential crisis in my own

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minds kind of wrestling sent me on a path of

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meditation and spiritual questing. I'd been actually into spirituality kind

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of throughout my life, but this sent me on a

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much deeper dive into that, and I did do a

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lot of deep meditation. I was meditating two hours a day.

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And the things that I discovered and the realizations that

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I had so profoundly changed my life. And I did

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find the happiness and the joy that was missing, and

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I got well through not through alternative medicine, through frequency,

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and I was so inspired by what had happened that

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I wanted to help others find the same joy and

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happiness and well being that I'd found.

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Oh wonderful. You know, it's so interesting. I mean, the

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world right now, as you say, is just a nightmare.

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And it's interesting to me that you know, initially we

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want to just try to save everything, and yet I

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think you've hit on such an important point. If we

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can number one save ourselves, and then number two start

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to reach out.

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Even if it's just with the one.

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Ultimately, if we can keep doing that, hopefully generations down

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the line, things are going to be so much better.

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Yeah, yeah, I you know, I think that's the path

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of devotion and service and that you know, that is

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its own path of awakening. Really, you know that what

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you said, and I say this to my clients all

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the time, like this is a put on your own

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oxygen mask first situation that we're in, you know, like

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we have to find our own well being and we

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can't expect others to do it for us. And that's

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that's the essence of the spiritual journey, in the spiritual quest, right,

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I mean, that's that's what we're here for. And then

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we turn around and we devote our lives to helping others.

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Yeah, and you know, I want to talk about spirituality.

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It's interesting as I was looking at different podcasts, I

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saw one that, quite frankly, was a little bit strange,

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and I was fascinated by the you know, the aspect

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of what they were saying, because you know, when we

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talk about spirituality, so often people think of religion and

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that type of thing, theology, and yet this podcast that

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I was listening to was really battering it down, you know,

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from a theological situation saying people have lost this concept

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of God and this whole purpose. And so as you

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look at it, and you know, I don't mean to

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be intrusive here, but as you talk about spirituality, are

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you speaking of a non god spirituality or are you

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talking about that inner light that each of us as

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children of God have received.

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Oh, that's such a beautiful question. So, I mean, there

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is a lot of confusion and mixing of religion and spirituality.

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At its heart, though there are many paths, and the

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truth is is that some people do find their way

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through Christianity or Judaism or Hinduism. And I would never

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be one to put any of that down. You know,

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I have a very blended religious history. I grew up

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with a Christian mother and a Jewish father, although it

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was quite secular in my house. But I have cousins

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who are devout Jews and they live beautiful lives, and

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I would never judge the path that they've taken and

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where that deep Judaism has gotten them. If that works

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for them, God bless them. I mean literally, I really

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feel that. And at the same time, I think that

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spirituality in general is pointing to the same one truth

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that transcends any given religion, religion maybe the path that

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a specific person gets to, but there is, ultimately, in

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my view, one God. There's one divine source, consciousness and way.

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Whether you call it God or living universe or service consciousness,

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whatever name you put on it, it's the same thing.

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It's the animate, living, a live, intelligent space that is

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operating in all of our lives, that is holding all

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of us, that is making everything that we see, in

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everything that we experience possible.

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Well, and I think that's so important.

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You know, so many people and you get into Christianity

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and so forth, Oh we were born in sin and

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all of that kind of stuff, which I don't happen

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to agree with, but I think it puts such an

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imprint of I'm not good enough type of situation in there.

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And yet if you look at it, and this is

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how I do it personally, is I look at it

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from the standpoint I guess, do I believe in God absolutely?

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And do I believe that we are children of God? Absolutely?

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And do I believe that His light is within each

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one of us?

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Absolutely?

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And so I think that's where the key comes in that,

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as you say, you know, we may use different words

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to explain that. But the reality is that within each

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one of us there is that light, there's that goodness,

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there's that love that so often has been somehow modified.

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In fact, I was listening just yesterday. I thought it

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was such a great example of talking about eggs and

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how so often we are within that eggshell and it's

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very difficult to break out of the egg shell. But

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it's only when we do that that we really start

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to experience the goodness of life.

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Yeah, yeah, beautiful, I completely agree, And I think you

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bring a good point. You know that. I mean, spirituality

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is its heart. Is what you're speaking to, is that

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this transcendent truth of the radiant being of light, God, source, universe,

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and what we call religion, you know, the dogma would be,

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you know, a specific belief like you know, we're born

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and sin, which is not what this transcendence crutuality.

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Is speaking to.

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So you know, that's to me where the distinction goes.

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But if we were to still the essence and the

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heart of the transcendent truth of each religion, they are

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they're apart from the specific dogma. I believe they're all

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speaking and pointing to the same one thing.

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Well, and you know, I've studied that, not as in

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depth as I'd like to, but as fascinating to me

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when we look at Hinduism, as Zaoism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism,

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all of those. If you get back and start to

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ignore all the stuff that man has created as a

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religion and get back to those original teachings from each

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of the leaders of the individual what we would call

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philosophies or religion, it's fascinating to me that they all

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come in with the same philosophy, may slightly different approach,

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but it's all the same philosophy of becoming, Yes, truly

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become who you really are.

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Yes, I agree with you.

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Yeah, So I love that.

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So, you know, you talk about different things, and I

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know that you approach on your website.

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I loved how you use the three a's. I think

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that's so fun.

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You know, so you've got awaken your true nature, attune

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to the living universe, and then align your wild heart.

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But you kind of go through each one of those

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and what brought you to that concept and philosophy in

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helping people?

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Yeah, well what that embodies. And there's actually a fourth one.

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I didn't put it right there.

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At the top.

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But there's a fourth one, which is allow, allow the flow.

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And all of those four embody the core truths of

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the path of inner rewilding. And that is a path

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that I that I created, That that cap sures the

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essence of the principles that I that were essential to

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my own path. And I actually have a book that

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by that name, in a Rewilding Really, yes, I do.

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And I in that book I describe both my path

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and then sort of my own story and then like

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a like a self help or teaching for you know

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what I'm about to describe. But in that path, these

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four these four points are like a mandala for me.

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They're like points on a compass, you know. So awakening

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we start in the east. Awaken to your true nature,

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which is this essential truth that we're just talking about

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right now, the recognition that you're not separate from source,

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that you are source. It's that simple. And you know,

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I have specific exercises and pointings back to your true nature.

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But that is the dissolving the illusion that we're separate.

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You know, that the ego is a separate identity, or

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that we're walking around as separate beings. And how we

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transcend that understanding is that core essence of the awaken

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to your true nature peace. That is the heart of

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all the spiritual teachings, right, So that is the first

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But then I don't stop there, because we can awaken

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to our essential true nature. But we also have physical bodies,

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and our physical bodies are energetic, and there's this physical

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reality going on here. So how do we relate to

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that physical universe and how do we learn to live

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lives not just from an awakened nature, but actually more

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in tune and in coherence with this living three D

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and forty and five universe that we're experiencing. And that's

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what the attune to the living universe part is. So

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then it's about sort of starting to tune in and

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learning how we and into this subtle energies of the universe.

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That's the atune piece. And I think in my own

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journey it was such an aha to kind of put

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this together and realize that you know that there is

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a subtle, energetic universe here that we're we are basically

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all giant radios sending and receiving energy, and we can

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learn to become more coherent and attune to that living energy.

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that's where the tuning forks come in and and all

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of that work.

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Yeah, So we'll get to that in a minute. And

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then allow is the third piece, and that is the

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surrender part of the path. So you know, once we attune,

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then there becomes a kind of letting go and deep

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trust back into this the source consciousness. And at the

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heart of that is for me, one of the key

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core teachings was from Pema Children, a famous Buddhist nun,

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and her core pointing is feel the feeling, drop the story.

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life and with my clients because when we can feel

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what's actually here and drop the story that we're telling

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ourselves about it, we can let the energy that we're

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that is blocking move and energy is just resistance to

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what's here. So this then becomes kind of how we

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not only wake up, but start to grow up and

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act from a place of flow and ease, Like how

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do you actually surf the wave of life?

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and that moves energy. So that's that third piece allow

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and then the fourth is aligned to your wild heart.

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reason I articulate it this way is that there was

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a kind of shift from operating from the kind of

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mental construct up here down into the heart space here,

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and learning to live from an aligned heart means really

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feeling deeply and moving from the space of the heart

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and then allowing source God divine to kind of be

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the will that's moving in your life and guides you

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and shows you what you're meant to do, and then

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everything also starts to flow from there. So that's where

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we again, that's where we kind of be in action

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in the world, in full alignment with what we're really

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here to do.

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Well, you know, and you talk about stories, and you know,

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to me, it's so fascinating because really we do.

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We just live in a story.

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we have created our own story, and that is affected

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by ego, that's affected by you know, the imprints that

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we've received via childhood, even e n a. You know

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that that type of memory. And so it's fascinating to

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me and as you mentioned the Buddhist nun, and I've been,

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you know, reading a new book now on Buddhism because

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I happened to be here in Thailand, so it fascinates me.

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But what I find interesting is the stories that we

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have in our minds are the things that create suffering,

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things that create frustration, things that create anger, and we're

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not really enjoying, as you say, that heart felt existence.

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And how how do you help someone, you know, when

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we talk about ego and wanting this and wanting that,

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and the stories around us that are really only the mind,

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how how do you help people to start to understand

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and to overcome those stories and help them to really

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get back into that sense of beingness of who they

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truly are.

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Well, that's why I begin with the awakened to your

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true nature Peace. That's why the path starts there, because

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the first knot we have to untie is the feeling

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of being an ego. As long as we're stuck in

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conceptual mind and story the conceptual mind, we are driven

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literally by the stories we're telling ourselves. And so what

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I absolutely love doing is first helping people get out

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of their own minds. In other words, and I use

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techniques from modern nondualism. Techniques from the lineage is mahamoudran

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z oak Chin in Tibet, where is what I was taught.

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And in those traditions we use what's called glimpses, so

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we use or pointings, and these pointing help show somebody

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that they're not their thoughts, that they're not their mind,

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that they are what's beyond that. And so it can

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be even a mini meditation of five minutes sometimes is

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just enough to point somebody, you know, to recognize that

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you're not your thoughts. For example, your thoughts are what's changing.

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You know, thoughts are always changing. But the same you

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that was here an hour ago or a year ago

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or ten years ago is still here even though all

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your thoughts have come and gone.

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So as you do that, and here's a question that

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comes to my mind. I mean, we live in the world.

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We live here.

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We have to work it, you know, we have to

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do we have to support, have to raise our kids,

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deal with that and.

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All of that.

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And how do you how do you get out of

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the story in your mind and yet still do the

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things that we need to do on a daily basis.

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Yeah, I love that. I mean you know. That's where

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just because we're not operating from our mental construct doesn't

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mean we can't wash the dishes. So it isn't to

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become a nobody like blah. That's not actually what awakening is.

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It doesn't mean we operate. It's means that we have

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an upgraded operating system that doesn't operate from the story

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we're telling ourselves, but operates from here, from this heart

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centered knowing that is connected to source and guided by

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Source and has full ability to operate and be in

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the world. But is It's like an upgraded operating system,

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but it is not operating from the conditioned mind. That's

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what I teach.

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Well, and to me, that's interesting because then all of

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a sudden, instead of having to do do do in

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order to survive, you're actually doing and enjoying because it's

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just and a life and part of who you are.

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That's exactly right. That's exactly right. So we kind of

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get to caborcake and eat it too, right. And I

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often say that waking up for me is actually more

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like waking down, because the point isn't to transcend this

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human body and transcend into the angelic realms. This is

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a big Aha, that happened to me when for all

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of the shifts that happened to me, I was so

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in such pain that I really wanted like God or

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angels to like come down and kind of take me away.

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I had this feeling of wanting to escape because it

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was so painful to be human. But what I discovered

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in my journey was that real transcend real transcendence, real

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waking up was about becoming more embodied and feeling like

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I belong here and that I'm in love with life.

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So I get to be here and be fully human

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and love being human without the pain of the longing

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and the feeling like I need to escape. And that

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happens through really a deep falling in love with life

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and falling in love with who you are, because ultimately

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it's all actually a love journey. It's all about coming

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falling in love with ourselves in the world as it is,

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not as we wish it would be.

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Well, And you know, as center as you talk about

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angels and God coming down and we're all so visual

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and we all you know, are that way, but then

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you think about it, if we just open up ourselves

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and to become then very quietly those angels, God come

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in and help us to experience that. So it's fascinating

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how we want this, we want that, and that's the

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story of our minds. And yet as we eliminate that,

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all of a sudden what we're desiring actually can happen,

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that it happens without us even being aware of why

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That's exactly right. Yeah, because the mind that wants this

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isn't isn't that's not it. So we have to surrender

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that mind. We have to be on our knees oftentimes

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and I was on my knees many many times in

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this journey. You know, we have to be on our

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knees praying or begging or you know, calling out for help.

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And that's actually what it's like. The giving up is

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what allows the grace of spirit to come in.

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Yeah, amen to that.

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So as we tune our lives, and this is I

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think the most difficult. It's one thing philosophically to become aware.

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