Jan. 6, 2025

From Realization to Manifestation; The Four Levels of the Mind, The Four Regions of the Self

From Realization to Manifestation; The Four Levels of the Mind, The Four Regions of the Self

Taoist Movement. Something we are not real familiar with, yet if we can begin to understand and apply it in our lives, it can make a huge difference.
I am happy to have Elijah Nisenboim back on the show to discuss the importance of coordinating our...

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Taoist Movement. Something we are not real familiar with, yet if we can begin to understand and apply it in our lives, it can make a huge difference.
I am happy to have Elijah Nisenboim back on the show to discuss the importance of coordinating our Body, Breath, and Mind to move from realization to manifestation in our lives.
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Thanzel Washington, Welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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to do the same.

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Elijah, welcome back to the show.

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Thank you so much for having me again.

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Well it's great. And you know, last time we were

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talking about the effigy breathing, and you know, it was

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so fascinating and I actually tried your three minute one

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and I'm not sure that i'd lasted more than a

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minute and a half, which I don't know what that says,

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but fascinating, and then you're doing so many other things,

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and we had talked about so many things that we

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couldn't get to that I really wanted to have a

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further discussion about that. Plus either writing or you've written

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a new book, and yeah, it looks like that's a

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few different things. So again, if the audience doesn't get

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a chance to hear your first one, go ahead and

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share again with the audience who you are and what

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brought you to this point.

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So I was exposed to a breathwork technique when I

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was in my mid twenties, and it was really nineteen nineties,

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so thirty five almost thirty five years ago. It was

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very powerful, and I lived in Canada at the time.

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I followed my teacher out to California. I trained with him,

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I ran his empire, so to speak, for ten years,

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and then I tried every breath work technique that was

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out there, and I ended up developing my technique, which

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is called effigy breathwork, which is basically a conscious hyperventilation.

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That was what you're doing for three minutes. If somebody

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does it in a session, it's it's an hour. And

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as you could see it, for a minute and a half.

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It's it's a very rigorous and powerful technique and it

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stuck with me all these years because it opens up

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the body's energy and clears trauma, connects you to your unconscious,

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connects you back to who you're really meant to be.

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And I've done, you know this with tens of thousands

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of people. It's been very powerful. But over the years,

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the working with people and traveling and training is that

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something I noticed is that there's the realization that you

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have when you when you do this breath work, takes

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you back to like these core feelings of who you

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really are, that visceral, powerful, passionate person that you're meant

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to be to fulfill your life purpose. But in talking

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to people and the complexity of people's lives, what I

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really began to see is that that fulfilling your life

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purpose and actually actualizing executing your real self out in

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your life is was much more complex than just laying

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down for an hour, and like having this realization like

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to live it. You have you have work to do

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because you have to go out into the world, and

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the world's a complex place and you have many habit

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patterns within your body mind. If you will that m

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that even if you awaken in some way and you

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become clear, that doesn't mean that your body all of

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a sudden changes your behaviors, even change your mind can

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change somewhat, but there's still all this work to do.

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So in nineteen ninety nine I started studying Internal Marshart's

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tai Chi with a teacher in San Francisco, and eventually

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he used to bring many masters over from China. He's

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a very open guy. His name is George Schu, meaning

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as a Chinese man, he was very open to sharing

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the history and the culture. He spoke English fluently. He

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would bring these masters over and he would expose us

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to them. But in twenty fourteen I went to China

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and I just fell in love with it. I was

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just absolutely knocked out. Didn't speak a word of it,

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couldn't But he put all these masters together, living great

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masters left of this ancient form at a camp and

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we got to study with them. And I got connected

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to this one guy who spoke a little bit of English,

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and I just emailed him. I sarted learning Mandarin. I

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went back to China every three months for five years,

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twenty one times, and to Taiwan and I studied with

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lots of masters. I learned Mandarin, and in just before

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the pandemic, I you know, I went five times in

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twenty nineteen. Actually the last fun fact, last trip I

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took January twenty twenty was the Chungdu, which is the

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next town over from Wuhan. I got home and I

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got so sick and didn't know why. But anyway, while

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I was home during the pandemic, you know, in all

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those years of studying, I did not realize that all

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these martial arts forms, these that are thousands of years old,

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are based on Daoism. And Daoism is basically the it's

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God is the natural world, it's it's it's physics, meaning

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just the universal laws of you know, the laws of

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like Newton's third law, that sort of thing. That's what

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it's based on. And it's also animals, animals, intelligence, and

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elements five elements. And during the time of the pandemic,

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I just had this broader awakening for myself of how

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to use this ancient these movements as personal development, to

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retrain these aspects of the self that aren't really affected

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by certainly by the breath work. Because I always say

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that the breath work. It is this powerful thing to clear,

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but it doesn't train you for anything. So my last,

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my most recent book, The Trauma Code, was three times longer.

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I cut out almost all the stuff about the movements

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because I couldn't. You said to me for the podcast, like, well,

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people can are going to learn this by listening to

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a podcast, Like you can't really learn my work without

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doing it. So I held that back. I finished that

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book this year. I'll be putting that book out with

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programs and the books called from Realization to Manifestation, the

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four levels of mind and the four regions of the cell.

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And these four levels of mind are internal processes that

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are four different minds. And then the four regions, which

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are the part of the manifestation is from your center

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of yourself to three other larger centers and how to

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develop them so that you can start from an intention

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and then manifest well.

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And I want to talk about each of those, if

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you don't mind, I think that would be fascinating. And

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I think you've made such an interesting point, Elijah, is

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that you know, we we can become aware, we can

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become conscious, mindful of all that junk that's going on

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in our lives that's causing us to behave in a

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certain way that's not really in our best interest. And

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yet to make that change, to be able to be

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aware of that, and then to make the actual change

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where we change the neurological aspect of it, we change

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our habits, we change our patterns to the point where

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we literally have changed is not easy. And it sounds

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like that's what you're talking about.

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Well, you know, it's funny because you did a minute

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and a half of the breath and you're like, that's enough.

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And last night I had a class and for people

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talked for an hour and a half, Like I did

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a like a group taught chat first and I gave

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feedback and talked and people are talking about the complexity

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of their lives. And then a lot of people have

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done the breath. It's like, oh god, I don't want

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to do this again. I don't want to do it.

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And I was like, you have twenty three other hours

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of the day, way harder. This breath works just one hour.

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Like living your life and being a clear human being

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it is. I mean, that's that's the gold the gold standard.

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If I can look at life from a clear place,

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perceived correctly and then follow up with every step being

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exactly in alignment with my intention and who I really am.

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This is what I think is the hardest job on

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earth and the only one that matters in a way.

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Well it is. And with the new book that you know,

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from Realization to Manifestation, you're talking about the four levels

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of the mind. Can you kind of share with the

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audience what are they? And you can expand a little

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bit on each one.

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Yeah, thank you.

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You know, I.

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Have been sort of teaching it over the last five years,

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but it's taken me almost five years to say it

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is simply because even people who work with me will

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sometimes they'll glaze over if I'm being too dense about it.

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So I say it this way. We know, as Eastern

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culture came over to the West, we learned about meditation,

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we learned about the idea of the mind, and Western

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psychology mixed with Eastern philosop if he has brought meditation

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and other and mindfulness and these things into our culture.

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But the mind is thought of as sort of this

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we're talking about like our inner dialogue, our linear process,

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our way. But I say there's four minds, four levels

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of the mind. Very most simple one that everyone can

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relate to. So I'll tell you the four levels are

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the animal level of the mind, the linear level, the

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energetic level, and the visionary level. So the animal level

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is like the body mind. So what I call them

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minds is because your mind, as conscious beings, are thinking.

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The one that we're talking about for meditation is a tool.

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It's not our consciousness. It's so when people identity when

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you meditate, you try not to identify with what you're thinking,

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because we're all pretty crazy, you know. So that but

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it's a process that that takes information and organizes it.

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So the body mind is another is another level of

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the mind, at the level of sensation. If you have

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if you have a pain in your neck, or you

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get butterflies in your stomach, that's a mind. So the

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animal level is easy to explain as the physical body.

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And where I center that and my work is in

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the feet because the feet are what makes you grounded.

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You know, you as the animal party has to be

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on the ground the line. And the animal I associate

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with this is the chicken, because the chicken's been descended

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from dinosaurs that are two hundred and fifty million years old.

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They are the masters of being on the earth. And

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all of the footwork and tai chi and every internal

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martial arts is based on chicken feet. If you ever

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watch chicken and you watch tai chi, the feet are

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the same. Interesting. Yeah, and you know, no teacher told

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me that until like thirty years I just brought it

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up and then anyway. But the linear level is the

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one that we all know and love, our wonderful thinking

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faculty of rights and wrongs and like the calculation and

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perception that we have between in and out. This level

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is meant is a structural level, meaning that it's how

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you organize, create skill, create stability and security. And this

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is through the bones, ligaments and tendons in the body.

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It's how we stand up and have posture and adapt

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both be secure but also be able to change. This

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is the nature of the mind. If a mind is healthy,

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a mind is open and adaptable, but clear and sequenced

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and coordinated. But if you have a crazy mind, you

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have disorganization, not sequenced, not secure, or rigid and like oarthritis.

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So the animal with this is the snake, which is

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ahead with a skeleton body and if you you know,

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touch the head of the snake, you touch the tail

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of snake. It's all working as one. So working with

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all the joints, ligaments, tendons in the body is the

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linear mind. The energetic mind is the one that moves

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away from the physical to more the space between matter.

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This is what a lot of internal martial arts tai

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chi is based on. Like chi is energy, it's what

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is there inside the space. And from my point of view,

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this is like it's the self. It's the creativity of

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who you are. It's the potential of when you imagine

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and you start to creatively think about, Okay, I'm going

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to make a podcast and how I go but and

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do that before you do it, which is the linear mind,

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you make a plan and then your animal mind does it. Imagine,

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you create, You work with the possibility of something before

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it's happened. The Dallas of this word sure, which means

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potential but in manner, and it basically means like the

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trend of a wave, meaning scientifically the wave is going

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to do exactly what it's going to do. You can't

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you can't change the physics of the trend of a wave.

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the potential of something is, and you don't get in

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the way of it. You follow that. So if I

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throw a ball and the ball goes somewhere, that's one thing.

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But if I take my arm and I don't have

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a ball and I throw, that's potential energy. It's not

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actually happening. It's happening in in in the invisible world,

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but not in actuality. So the energetic world is the

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one that that most people are trying to develop. When

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you want to develop spiritual is you have to let

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go of structure and learn how to become who you're

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meant to become, and work with the path of least resistance,

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the animal.

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real buzzword in the meditation community and so forth. Yeah,

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where does that fit in or does it fit in

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or is it just this well in the words for

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the same thing.

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not a scientist, and a mystic as someone who likes

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to experience the mystery and live in it. So I

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would be an idiot to talk about quantum physics. But

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one thing that I do know about the quantum reality

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just from reading is that like we as are human,

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we in our five senses, which is we we may

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in science measures things based on what can be proven.

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so if you you know what holds a building up,

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it's like it's resistance. It's all these things that we

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can measure. But metaphysics is the study of what's beyond matter.

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if you go in a microscope, the more you look

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into something, the more space there is, right, so you

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know that align is really just like a bunch of spaces. Like,

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so the quantum reality speaks to this energetic part, which

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is there's a reality beyond what your five senses is

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able to measure. And science and medicine are wonderful, but

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one hundred years ago they were using whiskey impliers to

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do dentistry. So and now they're doing vaccines. But one

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hundred years from now they're going to say, what you

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had cancer and you gave people talks of chemicals and

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told them to make them feel better. Like it's all evolving.

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on the cusp now of really figuring out how to

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use the unseen world. I mean, preventative medicine and mental

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health is the beginning of that. You're talking about things

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that aren't it's not your broken arm.

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scientists now that are studying the energetic capabilities that totally

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call coming from the quantum area. Yeah, that is literally

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healing people. And they're just absolutely flabbergasted the tests that

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they're running and the results that they're achieving. So that

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gets to be interesting. You know, when you were talking

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to the snake, you were talking about the chicken and

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so forth. You've talked about animals and you know, from

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the last time you were talking about the tiger and

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some of those and I found that fascinating, but we

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really didn't get into that. And I had a sense

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that as you're talking about the movement, the Taoist movement,

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that part of that is represented in or mimicking some

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of that movement. Is that was my understanding correctly in that.

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you asked to say the four levels So the fourth

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level is the third level is the cat. The cat

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is super relaxed, lazy, domestic, follows the path of least resistance.

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does nothing, and then it jumps and like you could see,

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its energy goes first and into the body goes second.

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a tiger, and that's your ability to merge with what

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has not happened. But you have to have a vision.

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You have to have the ability to imagine something that

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This is different than what I'm saying about creativity. And

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the reason why I bring this up is my friend

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who's a family marriage. They said, well, can your system

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if I'm a serial killer? Can I use your system

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to manifest? And then he made he made a really

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good point, which is this isn't a moral system. I

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use the breath work for people to get in touch

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with who they really are. The visionary level, you can

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have a vision that's a wrong vision. But the idea

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is that if you have the vision that's connected to

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what you're meant to be, then you're intending something. And

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this is a different word than potential, the word where

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the Dallas have is e which is it's it's the

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ability to project your own intention out into the world.

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So this is what a tiger does. They can they

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can project out and merge with something very far away

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from them, and then they crouch down and they wait

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and then they leap into it. So all the animals

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help you to understand something about the natural world and

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how it works and how it works within your own

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body and we and just to say Dallas movements that

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the tai Chi is only four hundred years old. It's

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an amalgamation of all these martial arts styles that go

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back thousands of years that are based on these ten animals,

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like almost five thousand years.

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Actually I was as I was looking at that a

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little bit, I came across the concept of chi goong. Yeah,

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you know the q I g O n g and

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they I think it's pretty, which is a lot.

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Just Gong means work, you go to go to work,

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gongzo gong just means work, and Chi means well Chi

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means gas, but it also it's energy, but it's used

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as to describe the life force works. So chigong is

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just really energy work. Okay, So chigong strips out all

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the relational parts of internal martial arts, all the martial parts,

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meaning my system is to teach you how to have

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a relationship with the world, because that's what these animal

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movements do. Even though they are about martial things, attack

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and defense. It's about giving and receiving. It's about being

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masculine and feminine, about open and clothes. It's all based

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on the Tao, the yin yong symbol. But Chigong takes

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all of the choreography out and just sticks with the

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medical part of it, the part that's healing to you

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in your energy, and then they have these very simple

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movements for help.

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We're just curious about that. So as you talk about

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the movements we did, and it's tough I know on video,

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Well it isn't tough on video, but it's tough on audio.

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But when we talk about the tiger and you talk

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about movement being a part of actually manifesting, and yeah,

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you know, once you had the realization, then the manifesting,

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how does one do that, particularly because you have different

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age groups I'm sure that you're working with, and they're

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the younger ones in the middle aged one, Yeah, do

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that easily? Older ones maybe not able to do that.

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Yeah, so well, well it's true, you know. And now

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I'm turning sixty one, so my demographic is older than

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it was ten years ago. And I was last year

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just to Taichi at the park right by my house,

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and there wasn't a person under sixty. And you know,

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mobility and energy is the big issue when you start

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getting older. So the movements actually from a Chiegong perspective,

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the movements are for health because if look, if you're

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natural in your body and learn the principles of these movements,

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you're going to be healthy. But to answer your question,

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we modify. And some of the animals are harder to

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do than others, Like the tiger is definitely. I mean

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they're all hard, they're all challenging in their own way,

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but the tiger has some amount of leaping in it.

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But we modify and we just like, Okay, you know,

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Doug's an old tiger. He doesn't he does. He just steps,

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he doesn't jump, you know. And that's something over the

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years I've learned, I've learned how to do, is that

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if somebody's eighty, it's different, and if somebody's twenty, I

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make them go a lot lower, and to make them

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go a lot farther. I just make it harder because

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the lower you go, the more energy you need, the

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stronger your body needs to be.

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So so we're really talking about tai chi, then, is

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that correct?

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No, well what I didn't really say the whole thing,

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But tai Chi. Somebody about four hundred years ago took

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all the principles of Taoism that are found in all

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the different styles. There's these different styles Lancho, Shin Yi, Bagwa,

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Jong Tong Bei, all these different systems and they put

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it together in this this is that I don't know

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what that is. I'm on someone else's computer. Oh and

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my person's being facetimed. Okay, I'm in Kentucky right now teaching,

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so I'm gonna yeah. So and they they they supposedly

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maybe they were trying to overthrow the dynasty and they

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wanted to practice, so they like did these movements in

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slow motion. That's something one of my teachers told me.

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But but it's suffice to say that whoever put it

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together took all these systems and made this very very

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complex theoretical system of movements that that brings all these

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systems together. So taichi is the most most complex to

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learn because so many movements, and it's very slow, and

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if you don't understand all the principles of it, like,

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it's very confusing. And also it's not the ancient practice

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people think it is the style that came over to

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the West from China. Young style, which you see in

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all the parks and certainly in America, was invented in

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like the eighteen hundreds. It's not even that old.

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So yeah, So when you're talking about the Talish movements,

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what kind of movement are you talking about?

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I'm taking the the essence of these ten animals. I'll

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just say what they are. So we had a rooster, chicken,

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we have snake, cat, and tiger, and then the four

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and that's all what I call the vertical plane. It's

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inner process. It's the four levels of the This is

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something to develop clarity and being grounded from spirit to earth.

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But the horizontal plane is from your dantian, which is

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your center or your horror they call it, or your

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second chakra. That's the bear, the hungry bear, right in

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your center. And then the second region of the self

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is the body layer, it's the dragon. This is to

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be clear, the Chinese dragon, which is not a fire breathing,

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evil creature. It's a joyous, abundant creature and the infinite

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possibility of movements. It's also really the essence of Jennyong,

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which is the dragon spirals one way in one direction

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and another way opposite spiral and opposite direction if you

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see those parades. So the dragon teaches the opposite, the

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power of opposition. And then the third region, I have

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two animals because it's relational. It's the horse and the monkey,

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which is about the oracle. That's when you go out

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and you actually start to have relationship with the world

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around you. So we have the monkey, the naughty monkey

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and the brainy monkey for relational things. And the horse

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with its horsepower and strong legs and discipline for taking

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long journeys. And then the fourth region of the self

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is the trans personal region, which is the eagle and

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the hawk, which see everything but focus in on the

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thing they want. In that it's our shared matrix, the

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trans personal air. It's the one that's allowing you and

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I to have a podcast. We're sharing that center. So

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what I call it a center, it's your center, your

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dantean also shared with others. So for for centers and

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now I forgot your question in.

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The book or with some of your videos or whatever.

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Do you show those movements and are people able to

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access that they can literally experience what those movements are?

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And then how do you go about utilizing those movements

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and do you do it in a specific order in

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order to start to create that manifestation.

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You ask the you should I should get your advice

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on running a business? Very clear thinker.

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I used to do that.

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Yeah, yeah, well see that's your linear mind. That's the

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linear level of mind. You have a sequential organized brain,

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probably your strength and potentially your weakness if you spend

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too much time there. So if I'm working with somebody individually,

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I'm going you got to learn all of them. But

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I'll just pick a movement with somebody in relationship to

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00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.359
whatever it is that they're working on and get them,

462
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:51.640
show them the movement and get them to work on it.

463
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:56.480
Next year, starting February, I have a year a nine

464
00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.680
month training, a trauma release training where some people are

465
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:04.440
being trained to be breathwork facilitators. Everybody's in personal development

466
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:08.240
and the first, the beginning and the end or in

467
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:11.079
person like five days we do breathwork and movement. I'm

468
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:14.279
sharing all that in person, but people will get a

469
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:19.839
copy of the book and also yeah, companion videos that

470
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:24.000
go with it and explain, and then it does need

471
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:26.640
to be it really does need to be taught in

472
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:31.480
person because you know, there's an energy to it. Feel

473
00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:33.839
my body, you know, like see it, let me make

474
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:38.680
adjustments in you and all that. So it's not something I,

475
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:42.400
unfortunately can teach online. I haven't figured that part. I

476
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:45.359
don't think it's possible. I mean, I did teach movement

477
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:50.119
during the pandemic online and chigong stuff. But it's a

478
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:54.640
complex section. It's five thousand years old, and when people

479
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.319
learn tai chi or even martial arts, they're still not

480
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.359
really dealing with the Taoist part of it, which I've

481
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:05.799
studied with so many Chinese masters in the States and

482
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:10.440
in China and in Taiwan, not one of them talked

483
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:16.920
about Daoism because it's it's it's just it's too complex.

484
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.400
But the thing is our Western minds, we're interested in

485
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:23.160
the technology and how it works in a way that

486
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.599
people over there they just they're very existential. They just

487
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:29.279
do it and it's very natural to them, But I'm

488
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:33.200
interested in why did they develop these movements? What are

489
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.440
they for? What does it teach you about life? And

490
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.319
that part of it is that's my joy when I'm

491
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:46.839
with people, is like, oh, you say you you you

492
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:49.119
you don't want to have a dream, You're really practical

493
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:53.680
personal Why can't you imagine something that you want for

494
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:57.200
yourself or or why can't you bring it into existence?

495
00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:58.720
And then we start to look at it and you

496
00:30:58.759 --> 00:31:02.599
start to find out where people processes or processes if

497
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:07.559
you're Canadian I am are not working correctly. As I said,

498
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:12.319
it's not moral, it's these are functions, functions of who

499
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.720
you are, and they need to be retrained because we

500
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:19.160
have trauma and conditioning that move us away from the

501
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:23.160
natural world. Taoism, these movements are showing you how to

502
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:28.279
be in harmony with your environment. Even though it's martial arts,

503
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:29.759
but it's about your mastery.

504
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:34.200
How does a regular person that's listening to this podcast

505
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:38.400
right now and go, wow, I really find that fascinating.

506
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:40.799
They're not necessarily going to be able to join you

507
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:44.200
for the amount of wasts that you're talking about. How

508
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.160
do they learn about this and learn how to apply it?

509
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.960
In their lives just as a normal person.

510
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.720
I think there's probably a lot you could get from

511
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:57.319
me listening to this podcast, even if you. I mean,

512
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:01.599
the first part is just if somebody agrees with or

513
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.279
likes the idea of it, then there's just something there

514
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:09.880
for them to reflect on for themselves, and like, how

515
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.079
does this apply to you? Like my book The Trauma Code,

516
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:17.200
which is sort of the first step. We just finished

517
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:19.440
a set of videos that will go with it, a

518
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:23.160
very inexpensive program they do themselves, called The Trauma Code Experience,

519
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.319
where they apply the ideas of my work to themselves.

520
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:30.119
And I think that I'm speaking to you naturally, very

521
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:34.640
philosophically just about this overview. But I think, like anything,

522
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:40.039
if somebody's interested in something, anything, you have to start somewhere,

523
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:43.279
like you have to find someplace, some entry point. Because

524
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.480
to me, the only reason why I'm on this podcast

525
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.680
and I'm talking to you about it is because I

526
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:51.880
hope people will do something for themselves. They don't even

527
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:55.640
have to do my work. Just I want people to

528
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:01.799
grow and to help themselves. So that's not We already

529
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:06.359
have enough books and podcasts and things. There's so much

530
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.799
out there for people to fill themselves with information. The

531
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.119
power to live your life as you're meant to be

532
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.920
is to that's the linear level. That's all society training

533
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.039
the linear level. If you really want to manifest who

534
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:20.960
you are, you have to go beyond that. You have

535
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.440
to take risks, you have to be creative, you have

536
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:26.319
to start to understand yourself. And you don't need to

537
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:27.839
be good at any of this in the same way

538
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.400
you don't need to be good at my movements. It's

539
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:33.880
about finding an entry point and just be willing you'rein arees,

540
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:40.079
just do it because we can make mistakes like that's

541
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:44.240
the beautiful part of being human is we're just mistake

542
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.480
making machines who are looking to find our way back

543
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:48.119
to perfection.

544
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:51.759
Well true. And you know it's interesting because I went online.

545
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.319
I wanted to prepare even a little bit better for this,

546
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.920
and so I went on and typed in the Dallast

547
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:01.839
movements and the main thing that came up was tai Chi,

548
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:07.519
which was fascinating. Tai Chi came up and then Chiekong

549
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.400
came up, and those were the two main ones. And

550
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:14.639
what you're saying literally is tai chi is extremely complicated,

551
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.559
and what you're talking about and what you do is

552
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:19.199
not really that complicated.

553
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:25.800
You know, well two things. One I think Thai chi's

554
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.519
complicated in a way like meditation is like meditation is

555
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.880
actually the end of the journey, like sit and do

556
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:34.519
nothing and watch your breath, like that's the hardest thing

557
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:38.760
in the world. Like you have to already be able

558
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.880
to sit still before you you can you can achieve

559
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:46.559
a state of meditation. The thing that we don't have

560
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:50.480
in the Western people don't know about is that the

561
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:53.760
systems that are even people in China. And I've had

562
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.719
so many Chinese people from China in my classes in

563
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.800
the States who said, I'm teaching things they don't teach

564
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:04.039
in China. It's all under the surface there. And the

565
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.840
Chinese are not great marketers. They're good copycats and they're

566
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:11.559
not innovators. So it's not like yoga. People don't really

567
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:16.880
know what any of this really is. And these systems

568
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.320
like Shini is one of my favorite. People can look

569
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:24.800
that up. X I n g Yi shiny are animal

570
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.960
movements that are that are thousands of years old, and

571
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:33.079
they my Shini teacher. That's why I bring it up.

572
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:36.800
Hey stop it. There's a dog barking I don't know.

573
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:41.480
So my friend's dog's name is pants. By the way,

574
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:43.400
she gave me the name pants so she can say

575
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:49.599
pants off anyway. So my shinu teacher said to me

576
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.960
in twenty nineteen, he said, he said, you want to

577
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:56.079
learn eighty five movements in taichi, you practice every day,

578
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:58.280
and then you don't practice for a week, you forget

579
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.440
all of it. He said, you learn one animal and

580
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.480
get that in your body. One animal movement you'll remember

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00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:06.320
for the rest of your life. And you don't need

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00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.400
a big space to do it. Tai Chi you need

583
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:11.239
a big space. You need to be like because you're

584
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:16.079
moving around a lot, so one movement would change your life.

585
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:19.679
But tai chi is so much choreography, and you have

586
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:25.440
to get my main My third tai chi teacher was

587
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:29.199
a mechanical engineer, and he would sit there and say, no,

588
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.360
forty two and a half degrees, not forty five degrees

589
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:36.079
like he would get so particular about the angles. Most

590
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.760
people do not have the patience to do to do that.

591
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:43.119
And my other teacher, my first tie teacher, George Shu.

592
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.960
You can look him up Xu's he's quite famous around

593
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.840
the world because he's a he speaks English and he

594
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:52.559
travels all over but he'd say, who cares line's chasing you?

595
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.440
Better run? Like who cares what angle it is?

596
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:55.760
You know?

597
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:56.800
Like run.

598
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:01.159
So if someone is wanting to just initially, as you say,

599
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:05.719
learn one animal movement. Yeah, and this just comes from

600
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.880
my linear mind. Is there one animal that if someone's

601
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:11.559
really trying to do that personal development, is there one

602
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:13.719
animal that works better than others?

603
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:22.880
Well, I think that when I begin the there are

604
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.320
three animals that I will will focus on the most.

605
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:30.000
But I'd say two between the linear level of mind

606
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.800
and the energetic level, which is really between the mind

607
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:36.320
and the heart. Between the masculine and femininist is a

608
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.719
lot of what people are working on, Like because of

609
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:43.559
trauma and conditioning, people's minds aren't very clear and people

610
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:48.039
are reverse to being in their heart. So the snake

611
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.639
and the cat are kind of two fundamental movements, but

612
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:57.199
snake movements can be actually, let me see if I

613
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:01.239
can say this to a listener who's not watching something.

614
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:07.199
Because the cat is about moving, moving without resistance, and

615
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.199
it's more kind of cheekong like it, so it kind

616
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:12.280
of has a thing in the heart center. But the

617
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:18.360
snake I would say is that if you were to

618
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:21.960
put your arm out in front of you anybody, and

619
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.320
you try to first turn your joints in your shoulders,

620
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.159
and then turn your joints in your elbows. Just turn

621
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:29.920
and I'm just making a circle, and then just do

622
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.280
it in your wrists and then your fingers. You're just

623
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:36.960
moving all these all the joints in the body you have.

624
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:39.679
Just people can think of this. You have five snakes.

625
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.280
You have your arms, two arms, your two legs, and

626
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:47.559
your spine tied cheekong, which is good for arthritis. Is

627
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:51.400
about keeping the mobility of all the joints to having

628
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:55.000
them your head be the head of the snake, telling

629
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:58.440
each of your joints to move both independently of each

630
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:02.239
other if you want, and then have them all move together.

631
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:05.760
And I'm not necessarily giving you an exact movement, but

632
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.000
that's sort of what snake.

633
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.239
That's very descriptive. I love that. So you've got the snake,

634
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:12.599
You've got the cat. What's the third one? So you

635
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.400
mentioned that there were three of you the chicken chicken.

636
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:18.320
Yeah, And I would say that if I was being

637
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:22.480
really super simple to people, like one time I went

638
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.920
through the TSA the you know, the security at the airport,

639
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.400
and there was a blind woman going through and like

640
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.599
she you could see that her her eyes were in

641
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:35.519
her feet. You could see it because her feet were

642
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:40.039
she was she was tracking through her feet. And that's

643
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:43.079
really the chicken is that? And I had chickens at

644
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:45.840
one point. I mean, they're hilarious industry, but you can't

645
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:49.440
hardly catch them because they can change direction. They have

646
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.559
these big fat bodies and these tiny skinny legs. They

647
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.679
never fall over. They sleep standing up on a perch,

648
00:39:56.199 --> 00:40:01.800
so they have perfect balance and they can change direction instantly.

649
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:06.079
And so there's two parts of chicken. There's that part

650
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:09.000
and then there's the rooster part, which is the pecking

651
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:13.239
order and the territoriality. But as far as being grounded goes,

652
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.920
because there's really the essence of the work are two things.

653
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:20.480
Being grounded being centered. When you have trauma or you're

654
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.400
away from who you're meant to become, you're usually ungrounded

655
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:27.239
and you're usually uncentered. Ungrounded means your feet aren't on

656
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:31.400
the ground and you're not connected to your vision. Being

657
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:35.280
uncentered is that somebody else has got your center, somebody's

658
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.360
else got control of who you are, and as you

659
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.719
move out into life, you have to keep your own center.

660
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:48.639
So being grounded is you are walking, somebody's listening to

661
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:53.119
this podcast, you're walking, put your mind in your feet

662
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:56.679
and follow your breath. Just make your breath four counts in,

663
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.000
four counts out, and just feel your feet and don't

664
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:03.159
think about anything. Just feel your feet on the ground

665
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:07.960
walking and that that alone can do so much for somebody.

666
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:13.079
Tie cheep movements and chicken movements kind of involve going

667
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:16.039
from heel to toe and heel to toe so that

668
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:20.760
you like an animal paw like walking along the ground.

669
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:23.599
And so chicken movements have this kind of like very

670
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.079
if you ever watch chickens, very very slow and determined

671
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.480
and chasing, and then they can speed up and change directions.

672
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:34.760
So you're learning about infinite sort of directional mobility of

673
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.800
the feet. But it starts with being grounded.

674
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.840
And as you're doing these movements, one is the result

675
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:41.880
what happens.

676
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:48.800
Well, I'll say for myself, like I'm not particularly I'm

677
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:52.400
a mystic, as I say so, I'm an unstable, intoxicated

678
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:58.719
creative person. Okay, yeah, but for who I am, i'mn

679
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:05.119
particularly grounded in centered because of these practices, Like I mean,

680
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:07.559
the breathwork was always sort of easy for me because

681
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:11.880
you get high from it, and I liked, always liked

682
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:16.159
the intoxication of going to spirit, but also maybe as

683
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:20.599
an escape from my life, you know. But the movements

684
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:26.559
helped me to be in my body in the world

685
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:29.360
around me, because the world around me was always a

686
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.199
confusing and scary and difficult place and I was never

687
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:36.480
particularly stable in it, and the movements helped me to

688
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.320
maintain who I am in the world. And that's really

689
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:42.400
the offering of the movements is to be grounded and

690
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:47.039
be centered, because if you have that, you don't complain

691
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:51.360
about the outside. Like I was in my group last

692
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:53.199
night and I asked people what's going on? And you know,

693
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:57.039
at the heart of what everybody was saying was a complaint.

694
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.800
It's a relationship or society or people don't want to connect,

695
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:03.880
or you know, my back hurts, or But inside of

696
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:08.840
those complaints is a lack of clarity about how to

697
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.119
live your life. And we don't we want to move

698
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:18.000
beyond seeing the outside world as being our determiner like

699
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.719
who won the election, or that's not your life purpose

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isn't dependent on the outside it's dependent on you. So

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if you can learn how to be grounded and centered,

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you can learn how to have a relationship with the

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complex and difficult things that do happen out in the

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world around you.

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Well, and I love that. And I was going to

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ask you for a message, but you just gave it.

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Oh good, Yeah, I just gave it.

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So I think that's fantastic. Well, Elijah, thanks so much.

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This has been fascinating. And you know, I think for

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the audience listening to this, it's it's not easy to

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totally adapt the whole thing to it. And yet I

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think one of the things that you said this for

713
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me so powerful is that as you consciously start to

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do some of these movements and you've talked about three

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that I think anyone can do, that it literally helps

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you to become centered, It helps you to become grounded,

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and it literally can help you to mindfully and consciously

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start to manifest who you really are and the dreams

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and the goals and the desires that you have. And

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so I really appreciate that. Again, how do people find you?

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Fig Breath e f Fiji Breath and the Trauma Code

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experience will be coming out in the next week and

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that has movement in it and their videos you can

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do on your own and also reach out to me

725
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and Doud. Thanks so much again because I really enjoyed

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talking to you, and you're so good at bringing things

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down to a practical level without losing their essence, so

728
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you're clearly a good manifestor yourself.

729
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Well, thanks for listening. I hope you've enjoyed this, and

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you know what, I have gone to his website. It's

731
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fascinating and it's certainly worth going to and checking it

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out and learning a lot more about this because it

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certainly can be one way in which you could truly

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find out who you are and truly become grounded and

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being able to manifest the type of life that you

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want to live. So anyway, this is doctor Doug saying

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