From Realization to Manifestation; The Four Levels of the Mind, The Four Regions of the Self

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0:44 Thanzel Washington, Welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to do the same. Elijah, welcome back to the show. Thank you so much for having me again. Well it's great. And you know, last time we were talking about the effigy breathing, and you know, it was so fascinating and I actually tried your three minute one and I'm not sure that i'd lasted more than a minute and a half, which I don't know what that says, but fascinating, and then you're doing so many other things, and we had talked about so many things that we couldn't get to that I really wanted to have a further discussion about that. Plus either writing or you've written a new book, and yeah, it looks like that's a few different things. So again, if the audience doesn't get a chance to hear your first one, go ahead and share again with the audience who you are and what brought you to this point.

1:43 So I was exposed to a breathwork technique when I was in my mid twenties, and it was really nineteen nineties, so thirty five almost thirty five years ago. It was very powerful, and I lived in Canada at the time. I followed my teacher out to California. I trained with him, I ran his empire, so to speak, for ten years, and then I tried every breath work technique that was out there, and I ended up developing my technique, which is called effigy breathwork, which is basically a conscious hyperventilation. That was what you're doing for three minutes. If somebody does it in a session, it's it's an hour. And as you could see it, for a minute and a half.

2:25 It's it's a very rigorous and powerful technique and it stuck with me all these years because it opens up the body's energy and clears trauma, connects you to your unconscious, connects you back to who you're really meant to be. And I've done, you know this with tens of thousands of people. It's been very powerful. But over the years, the working with people and traveling and training is that something I noticed is that there's the realization that you have when you when you do this breath work, takes you back to like these core feelings of who you really are, that visceral, powerful, passionate person that you're meant to be to fulfill your life purpose. But in talking to people and the complexity of people's lives, what I really began to see is that that fulfilling your life purpose and actually actualizing executing your real self out in your life is was much more complex than just laying down for an hour, and like having this realization like to live it. You have you have work to do because you have to go out into the world, and the world's a complex place and you have many habit patterns within your body mind. If you will that m that even if you awaken in some way and you become clear, that doesn't mean that your body all of

3:57 a sudden changes your behaviors, even change your mind can change somewhat, but there's still all this work to do. So in nineteen ninety nine I started studying Internal Marshart's tai Chi with a teacher in San Francisco, and eventually he used to bring many masters over from China. He's a very open guy. His name is George Schu, meaning as a Chinese man, he was very open to sharing the history and the culture. He spoke English fluently. He would bring these masters over and he would expose us to them. But in twenty fourteen I went to China and I just fell in love with it. I was just absolutely knocked out. Didn't speak a word of it, couldn't But he put all these masters together, living great masters left of this ancient form at a camp and we got to study with them. And I got connected to this one guy who spoke a little bit of English, and I just emailed him. I sarted learning Mandarin. I went back to China every three months for five years, twenty one times, and to Taiwan and I studied with lots of masters. I learned Mandarin, and in just before the pandemic, I you know, I went five times in twenty nineteen. Actually the last fun fact, last trip I took January twenty twenty was the Chungdu, which is the next town over from Wuhan. I got home and I got so sick and didn't know why. But anyway, while

5:33 I was home during the pandemic, you know, in all those years of studying, I did not realize that all these martial arts forms, these that are thousands of years old, are based on Daoism. And Daoism is basically the it's God is the natural world, it's it's it's physics, meaning just the universal laws of you know, the laws of like Newton's third law, that sort of thing. That's what it's based on. And it's also animals, animals, intelligence, and elements five elements. And during the time of the pandemic, I just had this broader awakening for myself of how to use this ancient these movements as personal development, to retrain these aspects of the self that aren't really affected by certainly by the breath work. Because I always say that the breath work. It is this powerful thing to clear, but it doesn't train you for anything. So my last, my most recent book, The Trauma Code, was three times longer.

6:42 I cut out almost all the stuff about the movements because I couldn't. You said to me for the podcast, like, well, people can are going to learn this by listening to a podcast, Like you can't really learn my work without doing it. So I held that back. I finished that book this year. I'll be putting that book out with programs and the books called from Realization to Manifestation, the four levels of mind and the four regions of the cell. And these four levels of mind are internal processes that are four different minds. And then the four regions, which are the part of the manifestation is from your center of yourself to three other larger centers and how to develop them so that you can start from an intention and then manifest well.

7:36 And I want to talk about each of those, if you don't mind, I think that would be fascinating. And I think you've made such an interesting point, Elijah, is that you know, we we can become aware, we can become conscious, mindful of all that junk that's going on in our lives that's causing us to behave in a certain way that's not really in our best interest. And yet to make that change, to be able to be aware of that, and then to make the actual change where we change the neurological aspect of it, we change our habits, we change our patterns to the point where we literally have changed is not easy. And it sounds like that's what you're talking about.

8:18 Well, you know, it's funny because you did a minute and a half of the breath and you're like, that's enough. And last night I had a class and for people talked for an hour and a half, Like I did a like a group taught chat first and I gave feedback and talked and people are talking about the complexity of their lives. And then a lot of people have done the breath. It's like, oh god, I don't want to do this again. I don't want to do it. And I was like, you have twenty three other hours of the day, way harder. This breath works just one hour. Like living your life and being a clear human being it is. I mean, that's that's the gold the gold standard. If I can look at life from a clear place, perceived correctly and then follow up with every step being exactly in alignment with my intention and who I really am.

9:12 This is what I think is the hardest job on earth and the only one that matters in a way. Well it is. And with the new book that you know, from Realization to Manifestation, you're talking about the four levels of the mind. Can you kind of share with the audience what are they? And you can expand a little bit on each one. Yeah, thank you. You know, I. Have been sort of teaching it over the last five years, but it's taken me almost five years to say it is simply because even people who work with me will sometimes they'll glaze over if I'm being too dense about it. So I say it this way. We know, as Eastern culture came over to the West, we learned about meditation, we learned about the idea of the mind, and Western psychology mixed with Eastern philosop if he has brought meditation and other and mindfulness and these things into our culture.

10:07 But the mind is thought of as sort of this we're talking about like our inner dialogue, our linear process, our way. But I say there's four minds, four levels of the mind. Very most simple one that everyone can relate to. So I'll tell you the four levels are the animal level of the mind, the linear level, the energetic level, and the visionary level. So the animal level is like the body mind. So what I call them minds is because your mind, as conscious beings, are thinking. The one that we're talking about for meditation is a tool. It's not our consciousness. It's so when people identity when you meditate, you try not to identify with what you're thinking, because we're all pretty crazy, you know. So that but it's a process that that takes information and organizes it.

11:03 So the body mind is another is another level of the mind, at the level of sensation. If you have if you have a pain in your neck, or you get butterflies in your stomach, that's a mind. So the animal level is easy to explain as the physical body. And where I center that and my work is in the feet because the feet are what makes you grounded. You know, you as the animal party has to be on the ground the line. And the animal I associate with this is the chicken, because the chicken's been descended from dinosaurs that are two hundred and fifty million years old. They are the masters of being on the earth. And all of the footwork and tai chi and every internal martial arts is based on chicken feet. If you ever watch chicken and you watch tai chi, the feet are the same. Interesting. Yeah, and you know, no teacher told me that until like thirty years I just brought it up and then anyway. But the linear level is the one that we all know and love, our wonderful thinking faculty of rights and wrongs and like the calculation and perception that we have between in and out. This level is meant is a structural level, meaning that it's how you organize, create skill, create stability and security. And this is through the bones, ligaments and tendons in the body.

12:30 It's how we stand up and have posture and adapt both be secure but also be able to change. This is the nature of the mind. If a mind is healthy, a mind is open and adaptable, but clear and sequenced and coordinated. But if you have a crazy mind, you have disorganization, not sequenced, not secure, or rigid and like oarthritis. So the animal with this is the snake, which is ahead with a skeleton body and if you you know, touch the head of the snake, you touch the tail of snake. It's all working as one. So working with all the joints, ligaments, tendons in the body is the linear mind. The energetic mind is the one that moves away from the physical to more the space between matter.

13:25 This is what a lot of internal martial arts tai chi is based on. Like chi is energy, it's what is there inside the space. And from my point of view, this is like it's the self. It's the creativity of who you are. It's the potential of when you imagine and you start to creatively think about, Okay, I'm going to make a podcast and how I go but and do that before you do it, which is the linear mind, you make a plan and then your animal mind does it. Imagine, you create, You work with the possibility of something before it's happened. The Dallas of this word sure, which means potential but in manner, and it basically means like the trend of a wave, meaning scientifically the wave is going to do exactly what it's going to do. You can't you can't change the physics of the trend of a wave.

14:26 But as a daois term, potential means you know, what the potential of something is, and you don't get in the way of it. You follow that. So if I throw a ball and the ball goes somewhere, that's one thing. But if I take my arm and I don't have a ball and I throw, that's potential energy. It's not actually happening. It's happening in in in the invisible world, but not in actuality. So the energetic world is the one that that most people are trying to develop. When you want to develop spiritual is you have to let go of structure and learn how to become who you're meant to become, and work with the path of least resistance, the animal.

15:11 Bits, and you talk about energy and those type of things. You know, quantum physics, how you know that's become a real buzzword in the meditation community and so forth. Yeah, where does that fit in or does it fit in or is it just this well in the words for the same thing. Yeah, I mean, let me be clear, I'm a mystic, not a scientist, and a mystic as someone who likes to experience the mystery and live in it. So I would be an idiot to talk about quantum physics. But one thing that I do know about the quantum reality just from reading is that like we as are human, we in our five senses, which is we we may in science measures things based on what can be proven.

16:10 Like physics is physical. It's it's a physical world. And so if you you know what holds a building up, it's like it's resistance. It's all these things that we can measure. But metaphysics is the study of what's beyond matter. And in the quantum reality they find you know, like if you go in a microscope, the more you look into something, the more space there is, right, so you know that align is really just like a bunch of spaces. Like, so the quantum reality speaks to this energetic part, which is there's a reality beyond what your five senses is able to measure. And science and medicine are wonderful, but one hundred years ago they were using whiskey impliers to do dentistry. So and now they're doing vaccines. But one hundred years from now they're going to say, what you had cancer and you gave people talks of chemicals and told them to make them feel better. Like it's all evolving.

17:16 That's what I'm saying, so science and medicine has is on the cusp now of really figuring out how to use the unseen world. I mean, preventative medicine and mental health is the beginning of that. You're talking about things that aren't it's not your broken arm. So yeah, and I know factually that there are those scientists now that are studying the energetic capabilities that totally call coming from the quantum area. Yeah, that is literally healing people. And they're just absolutely flabbergasted the tests that they're running and the results that they're achieving. So that gets to be interesting. You know, when you were talking to the snake, you were talking about the chicken and so forth. You've talked about animals and you know, from the last time you were talking about the tiger and some of those and I found that fascinating, but we really didn't get into that. And I had a sense that as you're talking about the movement, the Taoist movement, that part of that is represented in or mimicking some of that movement. Is that was my understanding correctly in that.

18:28 Yeah, yeah, no, that's really intelligent. What you said, Well, person, you asked to say the four levels So the fourth level is the third level is the cat. The cat is super relaxed, lazy, domestic, follows the path of least resistance. You ever watch a cat stockham mouse? It just sits there, does nothing, and then it jumps and like you could see, its energy goes first and into the body goes second. So the fourth level is a visionary level, which is a tiger, and that's your ability to merge with what has not happened. But you have to have a vision. You have to have the ability to imagine something that This is different than what I'm saying about creativity. And the reason why I bring this up is my friend who's a family marriage. They said, well, can your system if I'm a serial killer? Can I use your system to manifest? And then he made he made a really good point, which is this isn't a moral system. I use the breath work for people to get in touch with who they really are. The visionary level, you can have a vision that's a wrong vision. But the idea is that if you have the vision that's connected to what you're meant to be, then you're intending something. And this is a different word than potential, the word where the Dallas have is e which is it's it's the ability to project your own intention out into the world.

19:53 So this is what a tiger does. They can they can project out and merge with something very far away from them, and then they crouch down and they wait and then they leap into it. So all the animals help you to understand something about the natural world and how it works and how it works within your own body and we and just to say Dallas movements that the tai Chi is only four hundred years old. It's an amalgamation of all these martial arts styles that go back thousands of years that are based on these ten animals, like almost five thousand years.

20:34 Actually I was as I was looking at that a little bit, I came across the concept of chi goong. Yeah, you know the q I g O n g and they I think it's pretty, which is a lot. Just Gong means work, you go to go to work, gongzo gong just means work, and Chi means well Chi means gas, but it also it's energy, but it's used as to describe the life force works. So chigong is just really energy work. Okay, So chigong strips out all the relational parts of internal martial arts, all the martial parts, meaning my system is to teach you how to have a relationship with the world, because that's what these animal movements do. Even though they are about martial things, attack and defense. It's about giving and receiving. It's about being masculine and feminine, about open and clothes. It's all based on the Tao, the yin yong symbol. But Chigong takes all of the choreography out and just sticks with the medical part of it, the part that's healing to you in your energy, and then they have these very simple movements for help.

21:45 We're just curious about that. So as you talk about the movements we did, and it's tough I know on video, Well it isn't tough on video, but it's tough on audio. But when we talk about the tiger and you talk about movement being a part of actually manifesting, and yeah, you know, once you had the realization, then the manifesting, how does one do that, particularly because you have different age groups I'm sure that you're working with, and they're the younger ones in the middle aged one, Yeah, do that easily? Older ones maybe not able to do that. Yeah, so well, well it's true, you know. And now I'm turning sixty one, so my demographic is older than it was ten years ago. And I was last year just to Taichi at the park right by my house, and there wasn't a person under sixty. And you know, mobility and energy is the big issue when you start getting older. So the movements actually from a Chiegong perspective, the movements are for health because if look, if you're natural in your body and learn the principles of these movements, you're going to be healthy. But to answer your question, we modify. And some of the animals are harder to do than others, Like the tiger is definitely. I mean they're all hard, they're all challenging in their own way,

23:16 but the tiger has some amount of leaping in it. But we modify and we just like, Okay, you know, Doug's an old tiger. He doesn't he does. He just steps, he doesn't jump, you know. And that's something over the years I've learned, I've learned how to do, is that if somebody's eighty, it's different, and if somebody's twenty, I make them go a lot lower, and to make them go a lot farther. I just make it harder because the lower you go, the more energy you need, the stronger your body needs to be. So so we're really talking about tai chi, then, is that correct? No? No, well what I didn't really say the whole thing, But tai Chi. Somebody about four hundred years ago took all the principles of Taoism that are found in all the different styles. There's these different styles Lancho, Shin Yi, Bagwa, Jong Tong Bei, all these different systems and they put it together in this this is that I don't know what that is. I'm on someone else's computer. Oh and my person's being facetimed. Okay, I'm in Kentucky right now teaching, so I'm gonna yeah. So and they they they supposedly maybe they were trying to overthrow the dynasty and they wanted to practice, so they like did these movements in slow motion. That's something one of my teachers told me.

24:46 But but it's suffice to say that whoever put it together took all these systems and made this very very complex theoretical system of movements that that brings all these systems together. So taichi is the most most complex to learn because so many movements, and it's very slow, and if you don't understand all the principles of it, like, it's very confusing. And also it's not the ancient practice people think it is the style that came over to the West from China. Young style, which you see in all the parks and certainly in America, was invented in like the eighteen hundreds. It's not even that old.

25:29 So yeah, So when you're talking about the Talish movements, what kind of movement are you talking about? I'm taking the the essence of these ten animals. I'll just say what they are. So we had a rooster, chicken, we have snake, cat, and tiger, and then the four and that's all what I call the vertical plane. It's inner process. It's the four levels of the This is something to develop clarity and being grounded from spirit to earth. But the horizontal plane is from your dantian, which is your center or your horror they call it, or your second chakra. That's the bear, the hungry bear, right in your center. And then the second region of the self is the body layer, it's the dragon. This is to be clear, the Chinese dragon, which is not a fire breathing, evil creature. It's a joyous, abundant creature and the infinite possibility of movements. It's also really the essence of Jennyong, which is the dragon spirals one way in one direction and another way opposite spiral and opposite direction if you see those parades. So the dragon teaches the opposite, the power of opposition. And then the third region, I have two animals because it's relational. It's the horse and the monkey, which is about the oracle. That's when you go out

27:02 and you actually start to have relationship with the world around you. So we have the monkey, the naughty monkey and the brainy monkey for relational things. And the horse with its horsepower and strong legs and discipline for taking long journeys. And then the fourth region of the self is the trans personal region, which is the eagle and the hawk, which see everything but focus in on the thing they want. In that it's our shared matrix, the trans personal air. It's the one that's allowing you and I to have a podcast. We're sharing that center. So what I call it a center, it's your center, your dantean also shared with others. So for for centers and now I forgot your question in.

27:51 The book or with some of your videos or whatever. Do you show those movements and are people able to access that they can literally experience what those movements are? And then how do you go about utilizing those movements and do you do it in a specific order in order to start to create that manifestation. You ask the you should I should get your advice on running a business? Very clear thinker. I used to do that. Yeah, yeah, well see that's your linear mind. That's the linear level of mind. You have a sequential organized brain, probably your strength and potentially your weakness if you spend too much time there. So if I'm working with somebody individually, I'm going you got to learn all of them. But I'll just pick a movement with somebody in relationship to whatever it is that they're working on and get them, show them the movement and get them to work on it.

28:52 Next year, starting February, I have a year a nine month training, a trauma release training where some people are being trained to be breathwork facilitators. Everybody's in personal development and the first, the beginning and the end or in person like five days we do breathwork and movement. I'm sharing all that in person, but people will get a copy of the book and also yeah, companion videos that go with it and explain, and then it does need to be it really does need to be taught in person because you know, there's an energy to it. Feel my body, you know, like see it, let me make adjustments in you and all that. So it's not something I, unfortunately can teach online. I haven't figured that part. I don't think it's possible. I mean, I did teach movement during the pandemic online and chigong stuff. But it's a complex section. It's five thousand years old, and when people learn tai chi or even martial arts, they're still not really dealing with the Taoist part of it, which I've studied with so many Chinese masters in the States and in China and in Taiwan, not one of them talked about Daoism because it's it's it's just it's too complex.

30:16 But the thing is our Western minds, we're interested in the technology and how it works in a way that people over there they just they're very existential. They just do it and it's very natural to them, But I'm interested in why did they develop these movements? What are they for? What does it teach you about life? And that part of it is that's my joy when I'm with people, is like, oh, you say you you you you don't want to have a dream, You're really practical personal Why can't you imagine something that you want for yourself or or why can't you bring it into existence?

30:57 And then we start to look at it and you start to find out where people processes or processes if you're Canadian I am are not working correctly. As I said, it's not moral, it's these are functions, functions of who you are, and they need to be retrained because we have trauma and conditioning that move us away from the natural world. Taoism, these movements are showing you how to be in harmony with your environment. Even though it's martial arts, but it's about your mastery. How does a regular person that's listening to this podcast right now and go, wow, I really find that fascinating.

31:38 They're not necessarily going to be able to join you for the amount of wasts that you're talking about. How do they learn about this and learn how to apply it? In their lives just as a normal person. I think there's probably a lot you could get from me listening to this podcast, even if you. I mean, the first part is just if somebody agrees with or likes the idea of it, then there's just something there for them to reflect on for themselves, and like, how does this apply to you? Like my book The Trauma Code, which is sort of the first step. We just finished a set of videos that will go with it, a very inexpensive program they do themselves, called The Trauma Code Experience, where they apply the ideas of my work to themselves.

32:26 And I think that I'm speaking to you naturally, very philosophically just about this overview. But I think, like anything, if somebody's interested in something, anything, you have to start somewhere, like you have to find someplace, some entry point. Because to me, the only reason why I'm on this podcast and I'm talking to you about it is because I hope people will do something for themselves. They don't even have to do my work. Just I want people to grow and to help themselves. So that's not We already have enough books and podcasts and things. There's so much out there for people to fill themselves with information. The power to live your life as you're meant to be is to that's the linear level. That's all society training the linear level. If you really want to manifest who you are, you have to go beyond that. You have to take risks, you have to be creative, you have to start to understand yourself. And you don't need to be good at any of this in the same way you don't need to be good at my movements. It's about finding an entry point and just be willing you'rein arees, just do it because we can make mistakes like that's the beautiful part of being human is we're just mistake making machines who are looking to find our way back to perfection.

33:48 Well true. And you know it's interesting because I went online. I wanted to prepare even a little bit better for this, and so I went on and typed in the Dallast movements and the main thing that came up was tai Chi, which was fascinating. Tai Chi came up and then Chiekong came up, and those were the two main ones. And what you're saying literally is tai chi is extremely complicated, and what you're talking about and what you do is not really that complicated. You know, well two things. One I think Thai chi's complicated in a way like meditation is like meditation is actually the end of the journey, like sit and do nothing and watch your breath, like that's the hardest thing in the world. Like you have to already be able to sit still before you you can you can achieve a state of meditation. The thing that we don't have in the Western people don't know about is that the systems that are even people in China. And I've had so many Chinese people from China in my classes in the States who said, I'm teaching things they don't teach in China. It's all under the surface there. And the Chinese are not great marketers. They're good copycats and they're not innovators. So it's not like yoga. People don't really know what any of this really is. And these systems like Shini is one of my favorite. People can look

35:19 that up. X I n g Yi shiny are animal movements that are that are thousands of years old, and they my Shini teacher. That's why I bring it up. Hey stop it. There's a dog barking I don't know. So my friend's dog's name is pants. By the way, she gave me the name pants so she can say pants off anyway. So my shinu teacher said to me in twenty nineteen, he said, he said, you want to learn eighty five movements in taichi, you practice every day, and then you don't practice for a week, you forget all of it. He said, you learn one animal and get that in your body. One animal movement you'll remember for the rest of your life. And you don't need a big space to do it. Tai Chi you need a big space. You need to be like because you're moving around a lot, so one movement would change your life.

36:16 But tai chi is so much choreography, and you have to get my main My third tai chi teacher was a mechanical engineer, and he would sit there and say, no, forty two and a half degrees, not forty five degrees like he would get so particular about the angles. Most people do not have the patience to do to do that. And my other teacher, my first tie teacher, George Shu. You can look him up Xu's he's quite famous around the world because he's a he speaks English and he travels all over but he'd say, who cares line's chasing you? Better run? Like who cares what angle it is? You know? Like run.

36:57 So if someone is wanting to just initially, as you say, learn one animal movement. Yeah, and this just comes from my linear mind. Is there one animal that if someone's really trying to do that personal development, is there one animal that works better than others? Well, I think that when I begin the there are three animals that I will will focus on the most. But I'd say two between the linear level of mind and the energetic level, which is really between the mind and the heart. Between the masculine and femininist is a lot of what people are working on, Like because of trauma and conditioning, people's minds aren't very clear and people are reverse to being in their heart. So the snake and the cat are kind of two fundamental movements, but snake movements can be actually, let me see if I can say this to a listener who's not watching something.

38:01 Because the cat is about moving, moving without resistance, and it's more kind of cheekong like it, so it kind of has a thing in the heart center. But the snake I would say is that if you were to put your arm out in front of you anybody, and you try to first turn your joints in your shoulders, and then turn your joints in your elbows. Just turn and I'm just making a circle, and then just do it in your wrists and then your fingers. You're just moving all these all the joints in the body you have. Just people can think of this. You have five snakes. You have your arms, two arms, your two legs, and your spine tied cheekong, which is good for arthritis. Is about keeping the mobility of all the joints to having them your head be the head of the snake, telling each of your joints to move both independently of each other if you want, and then have them all move together.

39:02 And I'm not necessarily giving you an exact movement, but that's sort of what snake. That's very descriptive. I love that. So you've got the snake, You've got the cat. What's the third one? So you mentioned that there were three of you the chicken chicken. Yeah, And I would say that if I was being really super simple to people, like one time I went through the TSA the you know, the security at the airport, and there was a blind woman going through and like she you could see that her her eyes were in her feet. You could see it because her feet were she was she was tracking through her feet. And that's really the chicken is that? And I had chickens at one point. I mean, they're hilarious industry, but you can't hardly catch them because they can change direction. They have these big fat bodies and these tiny skinny legs. They never fall over. They sleep standing up on a perch, so they have perfect balance and they can change direction instantly.

40:02 And so there's two parts of chicken. There's that part and then there's the rooster part, which is the pecking order and the territoriality. But as far as being grounded goes, because there's really the essence of the work are two things. Being grounded being centered. When you have trauma or you're away from who you're meant to become, you're usually ungrounded and you're usually uncentered. Ungrounded means your feet aren't on the ground and you're not connected to your vision. Being uncentered is that somebody else has got your center, somebody's else got control of who you are, and as you move out into life, you have to keep your own center. So being grounded is you are walking, somebody's listening to this podcast, you're walking, put your mind in your feet and follow your breath. Just make your breath four counts in, four counts out, and just feel your feet and don't think about anything. Just feel your feet on the ground walking and that that alone can do so much for somebody.

41:08 Tie cheep movements and chicken movements kind of involve going from heel to toe and heel to toe so that you like an animal paw like walking along the ground. And so chicken movements have this kind of like very if you ever watch chickens, very very slow and determined and chasing, and then they can speed up and change directions. So you're learning about infinite sort of directional mobility of the feet. But it starts with being grounded. And as you're doing these movements, one is the result what happens. Well, I'll say for myself, like I'm not particularly I'm a mystic, as I say so, I'm an unstable, intoxicated creative person. Okay, yeah, but for who I am, i'mn particularly grounded in centered because of these practices, Like I mean, the breathwork was always sort of easy for me because you get high from it, and I liked, always liked the intoxication of going to spirit, but also maybe as an escape from my life, you know. But the movements helped me to be in my body in the world around me, because the world around me was always a confusing and scary and difficult place and I was never particularly stable in it, and the movements helped me to maintain who I am in the world. And that's really

42:39 the offering of the movements is to be grounded and be centered, because if you have that, you don't complain about the outside. Like I was in my group last night and I asked people what's going on? And you know, at the heart of what everybody was saying was a complaint. It's a relationship or society or people don't want to connect, or you know, my back hurts, or But inside of those complaints is a lack of clarity about how to live your life. And we don't we want to move beyond seeing the outside world as being our determiner like who won the election, or that's not your life purpose isn't dependent on the outside it's dependent on you. So if you can learn how to be grounded and centered, you can learn how to have a relationship with the complex and difficult things that do happen out in the world around you.

43:38 Well, and I love that. And I was going to ask you for a message, but you just gave it. Oh good, Yeah, I just gave it. So I think that's fantastic. Well, Elijah, thanks so much. This has been fascinating. And you know, I think for the audience listening to this, it's it's not easy to totally adapt the whole thing to it. And yet I think one of the things that you said this for me so powerful is that as you consciously start to do some of these movements and you've talked about three that I think anyone can do, that it literally helps you to become centered, It helps you to become grounded, and it literally can help you to mindfully and consciously start to manifest who you really are and the dreams and the goals and the desires that you have. And so I really appreciate that. Again, how do people find you?

44:31 Fig Breath e f Fiji Breath and the Trauma Code experience will be coming out in the next week and that has movement in it and their videos you can do on your own and also reach out to me and Doud. Thanks so much again because I really enjoyed talking to you, and you're so good at bringing things down to a practical level without losing their essence, so you're clearly a good manifestor yourself. Well, thanks for listening. I hope you've enjoyed this, and you know what, I have gone to his website. It's fascinating and it's certainly worth going to and checking it out and learning a lot more about this because it certainly can be one way in which you could truly find out who you are and truly become grounded and being able to manifest the type of life that you want to live. So anyway, this is doctor Doug saying Noma ste