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Of competent professionals before applying or trying any suggested ideas.
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At the end of the day, it's not about what
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you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what
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you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,
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who you've made better. It's about what you've given back.
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Denzel Washington, welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is
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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you
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to do the same.
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Arnold, welcome to the show.
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Thank you very much.
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Dark Hey, it's really great to have you. I'm laughing
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because you know, people ask me who are you interviewing,
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and I say, you know, they're from all over and
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in this case, we happen to be out of the
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US on both counts. So where are you located.
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I'm currently located in Romania, but my Possport says, I'm.
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Dutch, You're Dutch, but you're in Romania. Yeah, correct, Okay,
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that sounds great. Well listen, you know what I'd love
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for you to do is to share the audience your story,
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kind of your background and what brought you to the
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point of what you're doing now, which seems to be
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so important.
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Yeh. What I'm doing now is I call myself to
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bring fitness trainer. So for me, it's very applicable. The
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quote of the Danish philosopher's strud And Girga Gard who
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says life is understood backwards, believed forwards. So I can
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give you now a nice story, but the moment I
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was living out no clue. I grew up in a
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family in the Netherlands which, in hindsight, if he would
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with today's knowledge, a lot of the members were having
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mental illness MHM in some form or another, but it
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was never diagnosed like that. So I had to deal
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with that myself. That was very challenging for I would
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say everyone. Fast forward a couple of years, but that
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was my first encounter with real mental illness. Fast forward
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I well, I went to university, I went into the
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corporate world, had leadership positions where I was responsible for
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for well. My first job was for ten marketing people,
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and at some point in time I was responsible for
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six thousand people and one point two billion dollar business,
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which showed me that if you treat people as unique
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human beings there is you can accomplish with your team
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so much and much much more than people in disipate.
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And instead of using people as mechanics, as cox in
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a machine, but as individual humans who can contribute and
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work together, you can really upgrade your brain.
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As I see it now. Then a couple of years later,
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I ended up living in Budapest in Hungary, and I
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worked a lot with well at the end, teenagers like
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seventeen eighteen up to people in the twenties beginning, And
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that was the first time that I encountered with young
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people where so many of these young people were really
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really having had experiences with mental illness. They had, well
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most of them, they already had experience with being stressed
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out or burnout. And what touched me the most, dug
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was that the everyone I spoke with is that they said,
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we know someone who killed him or herself. And this
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was nine years ago. Yeah, so that was that experience
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again with mental illness. The last eight years I took
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care of my mother and well she was the end
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of her eighties and later on, well a year and
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a half ago she died, but my mother had dimentia
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and Parkinson. So I had this experience throughout my life
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with mental illness but also with mental fitness because my
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experience is that also in my coaching. I'm coaching people
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next year for fifty years. It's my experience that basically
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any human being can be and do much more than
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what they're basically told or pulled themselves.
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Okay, And you know it's fascinating.
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As I mentioned to you before we actually came on
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the air, there's a number of things that have been
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in your bio that I'd like to read for the
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audience because I think it will really give them a
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sense of where we're going to go with this discussion,
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if that's all right with you, yes, And you know
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you talk about the art of um conditioning and it
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says you don't know that you're being conditioned to conform
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to live someone else's life.
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And I call that the impostor syndrome.
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You don't know how how your physical, mental emotional and
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spiritual capabilities are intentionally being suppressed. You don't know why,
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you're not taught how to live life. You feel stressed, powerless,
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and not good enough in a world where others are
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pulling the strings. And your brain is hijacked by parents, teachers,
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clergy bosses, media and entertainment, and your body is hijacked
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by food, fashion, pharmaceutical industry, and it goes on and on.
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So really, what you're talking about here is the fact
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that we really, many of us, really aren't able to
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actually be ourselves. We can't really be who we are,
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and we end up becoming or we end up being
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what someone else tells us we need to be, and
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ultimately we find that that creates as you have talked about,
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it can be some very emotional issues, it can be
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some mental issues. It can lead to all sorts of
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catastrophic situations, and in many cases where it's not that catastrophic,
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you still have our young people and middle aged people
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and just people in general growing up and aging and
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never experiencing life as they could.
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Your thoughts, Yes, and that is very unfortunate. That creates
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along these dis eases in people mentally, emotional, spiritual, physical
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this ease, this ease, you're uncomfortable in your skin, and
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what they say the main reason is, yeah, that's logical
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because you're not living your own life. You're living someone
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else's life.
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So what you know, you talk about mental illness, and
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you've talked about that quite a bit initially, and obviously
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A side chiatrist. I know you're not a psychiatrist.
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But as we look at people who are experiencing that
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emotional issue that it's really affecting their brains to a
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high degree, what do you feel the causes of that
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are As you've researched this out over time, what do
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you feel the causes of mental illness really are?
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Well, the main cause is is that you're not living
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in your own life. You're living the life that other
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people expect you to do. So it like it's from
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the moment you're born. When are you a good kid?
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When you do exactly what your parents tell you to do?
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Then you go to school, When are you a good
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student when you do what your teacher those you do.
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Maybe you go to some kind of education or university,
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doesn't matter of the same story is when are you
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a good student? When you do what the teacher those
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you do, then most likely you do start work. Are
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you good to I pre when you do exactly what
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your boss tells you to do. So by the time
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we're twenty five, the only thing what we have learned
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is to meet expectations of other people. The only thing
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what we have learned is to live that life is
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what do they expect from me? And if I do
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that correctly, then I'm okay.
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Okay, So I want to change the wording a little bit,
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if you're okay with that, because as I have chatted
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and interviewed psychiatrists and you know, very well known psychologists,
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there certainly is a mental illness that is caused by
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biochemical disruptions in the brain, and it is something that
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absolutely exists that has nothing to do with what you're
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talking about right now. But when you're talking, what I
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kind of gather is you're really talking about emotional illness.
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You're talking about people living in an emotional state where
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they can't truly be happy, they can't be themselves. And
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to me, that that is really what you're suggesting. Am
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I Am I a little bit off the record here
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on that.
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Yeah, mental and emotional, but mental and emotional is is
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not separate from physical is not separate from it. It's
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like we are integrated being. So you have emotional problems,
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they can manifest in a physical way and the other
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way around. You are in a little pain that can
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create mental and emotional problems.
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Yes, and I and I and I have met and
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now a few people who literally have experienced mental illness
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and it is as a physiological biochemical issue. Something is
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happening within their brain that is literally causing them.
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To go that way.
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So I want to focus if it's okay with you,
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let's focus mainly on the emotional issues here about you
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know how people are being affected with emotional issues that, yes,
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ultimately it can create some mental issues. But when we
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talk about emotion, that does affect the brain, there's no
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question about that. And as we talk about that, what
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do you feel that brain fitness is? As we get
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into that, what is it to have a fit brain?
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For me? Brain fitness is a state of physical and
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psychological well being where individuals use error or his uniqueness,
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deals with the challenges in life, learns continuously and contributes
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to people and planets.
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Well. And as people are struggling emotionally to the point
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where you know it can be considered a high level
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of emotional illness, and even to the point of a
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little bit of mental illness. How how do we change
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and why is it so hard to change from that?
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In your opinion, because it is embedded in ourselves and
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in our society.
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Not to change. So I said earlier, is like we
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are most of us very conditioned until we at least
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twenty five years old. There are exceptions, but at least
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twenty five years. That is a lot of time. So
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if you want to change something which is embedded in
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yourself for twenty five years, then people are in the forties,
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forty years or people in the et cetera, et cetera.
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So that is a long lost thing habit to change
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that takes quite some work. That is the reason why
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people are not doing that, and in our society, isn't
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it strange duc that if at school and doesn't matter
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whether it's primary school, high school, university, with personal change
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is not taught.
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Yes, that is so true. In fact, in many cases,
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I know, at least in the US, they kind of
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tell you who you.
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Are oh well, yeah, yeah, which.
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Is really unfortunate. So it's you know, and I think
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as we talk about this, I think one of the
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important things for people to understand is that change can occur.
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And as we're talking about the brain, we're really talking
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about the fact that the brain can change and through neuroplasticity.
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Can you kind of explain to the audience what is
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neuroplasticity and how does it allow us to literally if
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we choose to make changes in our life and start
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to remove some of that highly emotional discomfort and start
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to be more focused on who we really are.
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Yes, that is actually opposed to what up until ninety
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eight ninety ninety eight, where people thought is like, well,
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you know a lot of people say, that's just the
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way I am. Yeah, that's just my personality, that's just
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the way I am. Yeah, And even parents and people
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whatever they thought until well, basically the two thousands is
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that they couldn't change. So it was a given the
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finding which was much earlier, but until people get get
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to notice, neuroplasticity is your capacity to rewire your brain
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to make new connections. The neurals that the rewiring is
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what we go learning, so we can we can basically
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in our brain make new connections until we're in our nineties.
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So our brain has this capacity to learn and grow
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and make new connections. And that is fantastic because it
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means that at any age we can grow and change
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if we want to.
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Well. And so as we talk about that, let's talk
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about the you know, the neural pathways within an individual's brain.
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What initially affects that, So that as we're growing up
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and we're being affected, as you say, by teachers and
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by religion and by society and by social media and
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all of those things, what happens to those brain pathways
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that cause us to ultimately act, think, and behave in
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a way that really isn't to our advantage?
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Well they well you called it pathway. Little use that word.
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Is those passways become deeper and deeper embedded in yourself.
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It's it's like I used the metaphor of like a
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groove in in a in an LP in in the
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in in a in a record. Yeah, weird red music. Yeah. Sometimes,
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Yet when when you when you always play the same song,
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the groove becomes deeper and deeper. At some point in time,
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it doesn't go over to the next song. It's stays