The Imposter Syndrome vs The Real You

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It's about what you've done with those
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up, who you've made better.
It's about what you've given back. Denzel

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Washington, Welcome to Inspire Vision.
Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives

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of others and to inspire you to
do the same. Michael Peterson, Welcome

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to the show. Thanks for having
me on. Happy to be here.

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I am really excited about this.
You come with an incredible background, and

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I've had your hands and so many
different things which quite frankly, are highly

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unusual, and this is something that
I really was looking forward to chatting with

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you about. So anyway would you
share with the audience. I find it's

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always interesting that story behind, So
you know, what is your story,

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what's your background, and how do
you get to this point in your life

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where you're doing what you're doing.
Absolutely so, I had a very traditional

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upbringing, and I went through the
regular educational track, got my undergraduate degree,

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worked for a while, went to
graduate school and got my Masters of

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Business and to Masters of Science and
Public Policy. And I was coming out

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of that program and my body was
done with me. And not only was

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my body tired and beat up from
staying up late doing a bunch of networking

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events, which are great excuses for
free alcohol, and just working hard.

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I looked around me and people were
getting these great jobs, but they weren't

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happy, and so I took a
break to take care of myself. And

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as part of that break, I
ended up working with plant medicine, and

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that brought me down a rabbit hole
where I spent five years studying plant medicine

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full time, living in Peru,
living in Guatemala, working having I think

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it averaged out to a ceremony a
week for five years was her minus,

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and then saying I want to transfer
that work and be able to help people

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who can't work with plant medicine as
well, and so I cultivated a skill

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set that helps people blossom into who
they're destined to be in some way,

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shape or form. It's to transform
those outdated patterns that are getting in the

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way. Okay. And then how
now, when you talk about the plants,

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then as far as shamanic energy,
is that part of the plants or

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is that an entirely different thing.
They are related and separate. So working

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with plant medicine, specifically ayahuasca,
you know it is shamanism, and what

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happens in that space is energy medicine
that is guided by plant spirits, by

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the energy of ayahuasca. My lineage
that I come from is a line of

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palerros, or people who work with
trees, so we work different tree spirits

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and at the same time, sorry, you can also do shamanic energy work

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without any plant medicine, where you're
working on just the energy body, and

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that's what I primarily focus on.
Now, So how does that work?

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I mean when you talk about shamanic
medicine, for me, I've heard the

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words so often in the phrase so
often, but I've never understood how it

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works. That's a great question.
It's funny I had a teacher very early

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on who said, if anybody asks
you if you're a shaman, your first

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question should be what do you mean
by shaman? And so, what I

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mean when I say this is that
we're working on the energetic field. And

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so people might be familiar with the
chakra system or maybe the idea of our

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bodies as a giant electromagnetic system.
Right, So if you can imagine a

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giant doughnut essentially of energy, a
trus going around us, we are the

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work that I have been trained in
rather takes that luminous energy field, the

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aura, and works on clearing out
patterns that exist in it through the chakra

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system, which is kind of the
interpreter between that oric field and our physical

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body. Okay, and so and
we'll get into that a little bit more

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now. I also noticed that you're
a gene keys guide. Okay, thank

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you. And one of the questions
that came to my mind immediately is and

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for those people, would you explain
what gene keys is? And also I'm

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sure that if you did gene keys, you're familiar with human design. Could

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you explain to the audience what that
is? Yeah, So, the gene

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Keys is a contemplative system that was
built really on the backbone of human design

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and has spun off and become its
own thing. And the way that I

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view it is that it is a
contemplative playground for you to get to know

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yourself. And so it takes the
eaching the chakra system, astrology, and

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it is a synthesis that brings it
all together. And so it can be

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a very complex and overwhelming system.
And at the same point in time,

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there's so many different access points that
it is super easy to find a pathway

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to work with it that is going
to be beneficial for somebody's life. And

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the best way is through play in
my experience well, and obviously to get

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that. And I know because I've
actually done the human design and I just

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when I saw this actually went on
and did my gen keys to see what

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mine was. But what's interesting about
it is they ask for your birthdate,

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your name, obviously, your birth
date, where you were born, what

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time you were born, all those
type of things. And my understanding is

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more accurate you can be on that, the better the result that you get.

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You know, it's interesting. I
do a behavioral profile and I'm certified

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in that, and what I find
is is I'm working with someone, I

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love to have them do that initially
and then sit down with them and go

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over that, and I find that
most of the time, I would say

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that we've about probably eighty eighty five
maybe even ninety percent accuracy in that.

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But what I remember I always do
is I ask them, now, does

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does this bring true to you?
Or does this not? And so forth?

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Do you find that's the same case? You know? It always?

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It always makes me curious between what's
the difference between letting some type of profile

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tell you who you are versus self
discovery, which I would assume is happening

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through the shamanic energy medicine that you
do so within shamanic energy, within coaching,

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within gene keys or human design.
I really agree with what you said.

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There's this fine balance between having something
external inform you about who you are

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versus having something that opens the door
so that you can discover and take that

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journey inwards. And when you say, I'm curious when you say that you

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do profiling, what are you talking
about typology and kind of the Youngian approach

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to it. No, Actually,
it's it's a company called People Keys,

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and it's a very very thorough profile
of behavior. So it really goes in

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and talks about what's that innate person
that you are, what's that social person,

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what do you feel like you need
to be, and then ultimately how

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you combine those together and how do
you, you know, kind of come

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across. And obviously, the one
thing that can I in this why I

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like this particular one. The one
thing that usually will never change is that

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innate but everything else can be changed
depending on how you become conscious about what's

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going on and what you choose to
change. So I find that fascinating.

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I like that. I'll have to
explore it. I know with gene Keys

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and human design in particular, human
design is a little bit more prescriptive in

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my experience of it. It says, this is the type of car that

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you're driving. Here's how you turn
on that car, Here's how you navigate

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and use the steering wheel. Gene
Keys, on the other hand, says,

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okay, and what type of adventure
do you want to go on?

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And it invites you to ask,
and it gives you material to look at,

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to read, to contemplate, And
by contemplate, I don't mean think

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about, I just mean to view
and to reflect upon and then to feel

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how that's going in your system,
and then finally to embody those lessons that

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you're getting. You know, we
can think about things until the cows come

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home, but at some point in
time we have to take that digestive process

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that starts when we choose something over
in our minds and embody the lessons and

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what works for us from that.
And as you've worked with people with the

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gene keys, what has been the
overall observation on your part? How accurate

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is that? I mean, because
obviously it's using some of the elements of

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astrology with whatever else was developed to
do this. What do you find the

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accuracy of it is? And what
kind of feedback do you get as you're

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working with people that say, you
know that doesn't sound right, or you

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know that's dead on. I have
found that people generally find it to be

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dead on. And at the same
time, some things just don't resonate with

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people, you know. And so
I have friends who won't touch the gene

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Keys with a ten foot pole,
partially because they feel how deep of a

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system it is. And there are
people who like to go really down the

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rabbit hole in things which their gen
keys in human design profile would validate from

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an external perspective, it's just not
the right system for them. And so

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I find that it's pretty accurate.
And people are very familiar, especially if

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you talk about their shadow states.
So every gen key has a shadow frequency,

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a gift frequency, and an acidic
frequency, or a very very high

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kind of divine frequency. And our
goal is maybe to get to that divine

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frequency, but as humans, it's
to start operating a lot more from the

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gift frequency than just the shadow frequency. But people are very familiar with their

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shadows. You start asking people about
their gifts and kind of the divine aspect

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about themselves, and it's much harder
for them to see sometimes well, and

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you know, one of the words
that comes to my mind, and I

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find it interesting is the imposter syndrome. And as you talk about the shadow

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or you know, whatever that means, let's talk about what does it mean

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to really become real? Because I
think most of us when we talk about

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shadow, I look at that from
the standpoint of you know, as young

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people, as children, we have
been so environmentally affected and imprinted by our

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parents, by our religion, by
our society, by our school, by

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our friends, all that type of
thing. And what I find is,

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oftentimes those very things start to come
up as though that's who we are when

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we recognize or when we can obviously
recognize that, you know what, no

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I am and I'm experiencing that impostor
syndrome because that's not who I really am.

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And it sounds to me like what
you're doing, particularly with the shamanic

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energy medicine so forth, is helping
people to dive deep to really discover who

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they really are. I like the
impostor syndrome. It's often the case that

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we do feel like impostors in our
own life. And my entire framework is

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designed about being real, and for
me, real means that we're relaxed,

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we're engaged, we're authentic, and
we're loving. It's a compass, we're

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always working there. It's an ideal
and as what I have found is that

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as we work with that concept and
somatically, how relaxed am I am?

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I disengaged in my life? What
is the level of authenticity that I hold

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in this action? And how loving
is it? That would as soon as

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we start engaging with that, we
can start to define and gain clarity around

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those imprints, those deep, deep
patterns that prevent us from being in alignment

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with that. And it's not like
they haven't been there before, it's just

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that we misidentified them as an aspect
of us, that is true. And

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once we realize that they're an imprint, that they're a pattern, that we

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can let go of them. That's
where the shamanic energy work comes in,

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and it's focused on letting go of
both the imprint, the energy associated with

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it, and most importantly in my
mind, is the affinity for it.

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Because oftentimes we can work on these
patterns over and over and over again,

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but if there's a subconscious affinity for
it, it's going to come back over

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and over and over again, and
that is exhausting and painful. And so

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the work that I do helps people
gain a to navigate the terrain of their

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life so that they can transform those
old patterns and discover the treasure that lies

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underneath them. You know, it's
interesting. You know, we talked about

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this, and I remember years ago
when I first started hearing about these things,

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it was like, yeah, this
is a little bit woo woo.

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And you know, I come from
a very scientific background as a dentist and

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so I've found it very interesting.
But as I've gone on and as I've

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researched, and as I've gotten involved
in different things, one of the things

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I'm discovering is that they are now
scientifically showing some of these things to be

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true. For instance, you talk
about energy and the energy fields, and

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based on some research that I have
seen, they are showing that, you

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know, for instance, through meditation
and tapping into those chakras and giving out

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and attracting that energy from the quantum
field, which is what they call it.

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That literally, scientifically they are showing
changes in the body of health and

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those type of things, and actually
in some cases some miraculous healings that go

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on. And so I think it's
fascinating how that works. And then it

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also as we look at the neural
pathways and realize that, you know,

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as we talk about that belief system
that's obviously in most cases very subconscious,

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that you can change those neural pathways
to the point where you consciously change who

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you are and become who you really
genuinely are. What are your thoughts on

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that? In summary, Yes,
I'm fully on board with all of that,

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and my experience backs that up.
For me too. You know,

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ayahuasca is as a plant medicine,
is something that helps us gain more conscious

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awareness of our energetic body, how
energy works, you know, reidentify what

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is the mind? Is it just
the brain or is it something bigger than

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that. But one of the benefits
is that it's really good at helping you

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create new neural pathways from from a
scientific level. You know, after working

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with plant medicine, it is a
great time to restart and reinvigorate or begin

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a new practice because you're primed for
those neural pathways to be redefined and regrooved,

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so to speak. Why why is
there you know, you talk about

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plant medicine. Why is it that
there's kind of a hesitation among people in

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general about plant meditation. Oh,
there's a few different answers to that probably,

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Uh, I think it's a really
healthy hesitation. Uh. Yeah,

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you know, when you are talking
about really starting to look at yourself and

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changing who you are and surrendering to
something that is inherently unsafe to the ego

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as it is right now, and
so going into a plant medicine ceremony and

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saying, oh, this is just
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there's nothing that could happen. No, you are diving into the depths of

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your own being, and you might
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you might love what you see there. But either way, it's destabilizing to

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all of these structures that you've built
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so at that level, I think
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it, but just to respect the
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be going into. On the other
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United States over the past however,
many centuries, we have prescribed certain substances

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are good, certain substances are bad, things are okay, things are not

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okay. We can point to the
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Psychedelic Club and those studies where there
was really good science coming out of it

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that was supportive. But just like
it shakes our own internal systems, it

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can shake the aspects of society that
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we're talking about these really beautiful yet
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structure and guidance and an understanding.
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in a ceremonial context that's connected to
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there's a history built into it that
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work and navigate that space skillfully is
really important if you just you know,

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and I have done this in my
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and you're taking psychedelics, it is
really fun. It can be beautiful,

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but there's no structure around it to
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and so what could be a wonderfully
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not an event. It's just another
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man, you know, I find
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one of the things I talk about
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their strengths are, if they take
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live in Utah during the summer,
and it's been interesting to watch and to

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talk to my psychologist friends and others. For instance, with mushrooms, and

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you know, I've never done it, Brian never will but what they're finding

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now is they're starting to find that
under the care of a psychologist that they

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are starting to use mushrooms in a
very careful way in order to in a

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medicinal way, in order to help
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particularly with PTSD and some of these
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me how we can take something that
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to the point that it does become
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we have society coming and say,
oh, it's all bad when we don't

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realize that. You know what,
if it's done correctly, professionally, with

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care and with caution, it can
be a value. Yeah, what is

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the intention? And that's a moving
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You know, it can be true
for food. You can overeat. The

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question is how do we nourish ourselves? And I said, I came from

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a lineage of palettos or tree people
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in the jungle as being tree heavy. You've worked with two many big,

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starting strong trees. You need some
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to help lighten up that denise city
that can be there, Because ideally,

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what we're looking for is to be
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So sure, some people might have
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but that's in harmony with who they
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more relaxed and a little flowery and
floaty, but that's in harmony with who

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they are. You can be overly
flowery, floating, ungrounded, and you

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can be overly grounded and rigid as
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we navigate our lives skillfully, and
how do we navigate our culture skillfully so

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that we can all be in harmony. Well, then, as you've been

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working with people now you know,
through your shamanic energy and so forth,

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or even the gene case, any
journeys that you've observed of healing of an

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individual who has really been struggling emotionally
with their mind and all of that type

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of thing that's been able to really
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more healthy, happy way. I
have a lot of those stories. My

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favorite, one of my favorites is
actually one of the simplest It was just

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a very good friend of mine who
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through this struggle where their mind was
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the same negative talk, repeating over
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heart was trying to love those negative
thoughts and at the same time he was

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really frustrated with his mind. And
his shift that happened was as soon as

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he realized that his mind and his
ego was not the enemy and it got

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to come to it was just a
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got to love it all together,
then he was able to operate more skillfully

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with his mind from a heart's in
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His health started improving, his gut
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life. And that's a simple version. I mean, I've worked with people

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who have deep PTSD from childhood sexual
abuse, or whose parents have like my

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own, who have died from suicide, or they have had something in their

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life that's been negatively impacting them.
Where a lot of this work and you

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kind of pointed to it with the
mushrooms and working with a psychologist. We

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can get trapped in trying to resolve
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way. It's really about changing our
underlying myth of how we are operating,

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this unseen myth that we are living
through. And when we change that,

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then the way that energy flows through
our life, the way that those divine

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synchronicities occur, starts flowing so much
more smoothly. And so you know,

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I can say people have just lived
happier, healthier, more peaceful lives.

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people let go of deep, deep held

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somatic trauma so that they can take
that next step in their life to find

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those happier relationships where they learn how
to love themselves and be empowered as an

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individual so that they can be empowered
in a partnership. And that's me is

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some of the best rewards that I
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you know, you talk about ego, you talk about the mind, and

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it's so fascinating to me that you
know there are others that talk about the

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ego. How do we let go
and what does the ego really do to

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us? And you know, there's
a book that I've read that it really

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is fascinating, talks about ego,
talks about consciousness, and talks about the

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fact that we can either use our
brain and allow it to control us in

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our whole environment and our experience in
life, or we can take control.

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We can truly become conscious and recognize
that when those things come up emotionally,

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which they're going to do, when
we get triggered and we all have that

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happen, that we can consciously look
at that and say, you know what,

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that's not me, and I'm going
to let that go. It's interesting.

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I had a friend who's a Buddhist
contact me the other day and the

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question was, how do I learn
to let go? And you know,

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that becomes a fascinating thing because as
we're working with people who are really seeking

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to overcome all of that emotional trauma
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I think one of the biggest challenges
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let go. And obviously some of
the things in the approaches you're taking helps.

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I look at meditation. I do
meditation as much as I possibly can,

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and I found that that's another way
that people can learn to do that.

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But what has been your experience is
you work with people and as you're

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guiding people and you see them literally
so focused, as you say, their

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mind is focused on those things that
come up subconsciously, which is really a

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dichotomy. Here's the mindset supposed to
be conscious, and yet in many cases

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our life is controlled by that subconscious
stuff. How have you helped people and

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what do you do with them?
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how to let go of that trauma? Obviously you experienced it yourself. You

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know, we all know others that
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some degree. How do we help
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practice? I mean it sounds tripe, but you have to practice and finding

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the practice. One of the ways
that I work with people is helping them

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find the practices that work for them
and for me. I always tell people,

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look, you have to practice magic
things that are and it's another acronym,

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but it's find a practice that helps
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that's gentle, that's inspiring to you, and that helps you connect with

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something greater than yourself, or that
helps you connect with yourself first. You

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know, I love the Buddhist approach
to these things where it is kind of

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the letting go, and there's so
many different approaches to what it means to

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let go and to take that next
step. And there's a perspective that to

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really let go, you have to
take the first step of figuring out who

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you are. You have to create
a healthy ego before you can let it

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go. And otherwise it's just this
great form of spiritual materialism and spiritual bypassing

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of saying, well, I have
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want I could get rid of.
So I'm trying to kick them out the

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door. And so you're not actually
sitting with them, you're not actually investigating

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them, You're pushing them away and
they just get stronger. Well, and

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you know what, the phrase that
comes to my mind is that which we

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resist persists. And so you know, as you talk about letting go,

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and I think that you've hit on
a really key point is that as we

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look at these things, number one, becoming weware really really becoming aware that

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okay, this is coming up.
And that's whereas you say mindfulness comes in,

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true consciousness comes in, and we
look at that and recognize that,

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you know what, if I get
angry or if I feel like I need

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to argue about this or whatever,
that's our ego, That is our ego

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telling us that we just need to
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But to be able to get to
the point where you consciously not try

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to put it, not not necessarily
avoid it, but allow it to come

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up, and then recognize consciously that, you know what, that's not who

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I am, And I understand what
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How has that ultimately helped me in
my life? Which I think every negative

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experience we have, even some of
the most horrific ones. I think some

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of the best interviews I've done is
with individuals who have experienced severe trauma in

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their early childhood. And what they
have done with that is looked at that

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and allowed it to help them to
do the studies, to do the things,

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to write the books, and now
they are a messenger for others who

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are experiencing it that have not quite
yet figured out how to overcome that emotional

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trauma, to help them to do
so. So I think that as we

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look at that, it really helps
us to understand that everything that happens to

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us, we can look at it
from two different perspectives. We can look

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at it as a victim or we
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what have I learned from this?
Or what can I learn from this?

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And so as you work with people, do you find that helping them to

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consciously make choices in the right direction, in a positive direction, literally changes

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those neuropathways and really helps them to
create a different life for themselves. Yes.

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And the way that I would put
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helping them cultivate this understanding of is
life happening to me? And is life

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against me? Or is life happening
for me? And how even within those

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challenges, is there something to learn
and go forwards from? How can it

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transform you? You know, we
are not static being, despite the fact

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that we might like to be.
Sometimes we are consistently in a state of

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flux and change, and that's hard. But if we consistently view it as

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this is bad life is happening to
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then our entire life becomes grief centric. And frustration, and if we view

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it from a life is happening for
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as well as the grief. You
know, if I had one practice that

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I could share with anybody, it's
very simple. Just put one hand on

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your forehead, one hand on your
belly, and when something's coming up,

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saying I'm let's say it's anger.
I'm feeling angry. I'm feeling angry.

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It is okay to feel angry,
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ready to let this anger go?
And if the answer is yes, great,

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it's gone, it's proof. If
the answer is no, then stop

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worrying about trying to let it go. Investigate why you're not ready to let

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it go yet, look at how
it's serving you, look at what you're

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holding on to there. And if
the answer is maybe, then you also

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get to play around with that.
But you can't force the letting go process.

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You have to fully live life.
And the challenges is that that's hard,

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and so we try to stop ourselves
from feeling all the suffering, stopping

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ourselves from feeling the grief, the
loss, and those are the things that

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transform us. It's just that by
resisting them, as you said, what

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we resist persists, and so the
celebration becomes ephemeral, but the suffering becomes

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static, and that is a hard
place to be. Well, you know

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the one that keeps coming, the
question that keeps coming to my mind,

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And you'll find I'm very curious about
things. You know, I understand Jane

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Keys to some degree. I understand
plant medicine. And I asked you this

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question before, but I don't know. Are you able to explain to the

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audience this shamanic energy? How do
how do you use that? If you

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were going to work with me,
how would you use the shamanic energy in

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a way that number one, I
would understand it. Number two that I

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would experience what's going on, so
that number three I can literally experience the

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results. Yeah. So the way
that I work is I start with poaching

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and we figure out what's going on
in your life to identify a pattern.

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And what the shamanic energy medicine does
is it takes an imprint which is within

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your luminous energy field, so it's
in your aura for the listeners who might

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be more familiar with that, Okay, And what what happens over time is

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that these imprints in our aura get
either activated or start crystallizing and moving farther

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and farther and farther into the physical
body until they manifest as disease, illness,

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bad things that happened to us essentially. And so what I would do

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if I was working with you is
I would ask you about what is this

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oversized pattern? You know, if
it's not just oh, I felt angry

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this one time, it's I had
this persisting rage against something and there's a

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very there's a specific trigger that's there. But I'd ask you to feel that

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that rage, that overlarged pattern,
and you would take that feeling and you

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would blow it into a stone.
And then I would diagnose where in the

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body what chakra is this getting translated
through, And it might be impacting more

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than one chakra, but we work
on the lowest chakra. So if it's

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impacting the solar plexus, the heart, and the throat, we would access

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it from the solar plexus to make
sure that we're getting to the root of

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it. We'd unwind that chakra start
clearing it out through the shamanic energy medicine

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toolkit, so to speak. And
then once that imprint, the energy associated

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with it, and the affinity for
it has been cleared out because it's all

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just sitting there, stagged and stuck
energy. Then we would check to see

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if there's anything like a Shamanically,
we might speak about cords that are tying

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it to somebody else, or a
feeding tube that's sucking energy away from you,

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or crystallized energy, which is just
stagnancy that's really heavy energy that sits

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there. Over time would clear that
out, and then we'd fill it with

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pure divine light, pure divine light, and that takes what had been stuck

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in dense. It's not good or
bad, it's just dense versus clear,

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and it takes that density and it
fills it with pure light so that you

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can operate from a place of clarity
and ease. And it's amazing because I'll

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work with people and they have these
patterns that are exhausting to them, and

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then three weeks later we're in another
session and they're like, I can't even

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remember what it was that I was
so frustrated about. It's gone. And

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that's where I love this work,
because I've seen in the Ayahuasca plan medicine

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world, you get a lot done
and it's beautiful, but sometimes the affinity

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person and with the Shamanic energy medicine, through clearing out the chalker bike,

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clearing out these imprints and the affinities
the pattern. You could intentionally try to

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reprogram the pattern, but it's like
clearing out of sam scara. If we

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want to use the kind of Indian
mythological point of view, these pathways,

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like if you're a skier and you
ski down a mountain enough, eventually you're

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just gonna end up taking that same
track because your skis have grooved that line.

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So even if you try to take
a new one, now it's sloping

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you back towards the old path.
What the Shamanic energy medicine does is it's

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like a fresh pile of snow.
And so now the mountain is clear,

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and you remember the paths that you
used to take, But the ability to

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take and carve a new one is
so easy. And yes it takes practice

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to consolidate and develop those general pathways, but you're no longer falling into the

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old ones. Well, oh yeah, and I find it fascinating, you

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know again, I think people are
starting to understand chakras more and the energy

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from a scientific standpoint, I hear
people who are a little bit more scientific

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oriented calling them energy centers. But
again, what they're discovering is that as

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you identify those energy centers or those
chakras and the frequency and the energy that

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comes out of that, that you
can then tap into in the universe and

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literally heal that and bring in that
as you say, you know, that

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sense of peace and really clear up
those areas. It's amazing what they're seeing

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happening from the standpoint of a is
you say, very emotional healing that can

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go on as well as physical healing. I think that we don't understand how

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much our emotion affect our health.
My best analogy for people who struggle with

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that concept is really just to say, have you ever been stressed? And

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generally the answer is yes, and
that stress impacts your nervous system and so

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you're tight. You can feel the
tension in your body. So there's this

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very clear visceral reaction of oh,
when I'm stressed, an emotional mental dynamic,

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there's a physical response in my body
and the cordisol levels rise, and

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once you have those cordisol levels high
for over a period of time, it

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really can affect your health. So
it's interesting that we talk about these things

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and so many people go ah,
yeah, yeah, yeah really. But

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then as we start to look at
it from a scientific standpoint, everything that

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you're saying is validated through science to
some degree or another, depending on how

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deep you know, someone has done
some research. But the reality is,

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I don't think there's anything that you've
said here that hasn't been validated to some

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degree scientifically. So here's my question. How do people find you? People

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can find me on my website,
which is www dot alchemyshift dot com alchemy

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Shift dot you. You can probably
find me on Instagram or Facebook, but

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I don't update those. I find
that my time is better spent holding down

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my fort and doing my practices than
going there. So my website is the

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best access point. Are you able
to actually do the shamanic energy work via

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zoom or do you have to do
it in person? You can do it

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via zoom, And this is the
crazy part to me. I mean,

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I love this because it blows my
mind all the time. Energy knows no

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time, distance, nor bounds,
and so within the tools, techniques and

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trainings, you can absolutely work on
the energetic body from Afar and it's just

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as effective. And so I would
say ninety five percent of my clientele is

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via zoom and online. Yeah,
that's amazing. So as we close up

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today, what I'd love for you
to do is share with the audience what

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would be a message that you would
like to share with them that might have

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some impact in their lives. If
there is one thing that I have to

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share with your audience, it would
be that life is sacred. Their life

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is sacred and there's nothing that they
need to do or to fix to improve

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that. They don't need to repair
some sort of cosmic sin. They are

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worthy just as the they are,
and my invitation to them is to allow

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themselves to blossom, to allow themselves
to be who they are because the world

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needs them to be. Well.
Thank you. I love that. That's

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a great message. And hey Michael, thanks so much for being on the

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show. This has been a fascinating
discussion. Thanks for having me on.

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This was blessed folks. Hey,
thanks for listening. I hope you get

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some messages out of this today,
and please go to his website if you

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want to get some more information on
this. You know, what I find

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is for everybody there's a different solution
and we talked about that. Michael.

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Is that you know, for some
this will work, for others that will

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work, and for those of you
that have not found something yet to work,

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this is something definitely that I think
you should look into. So thanks

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for listening. I hope you'll join
us again soon. This is doctor Doug

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saying no honesty. Attendant returned to
camp year