The Imposter Syndrome vs The Real You

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1:00 I am really excited about this. You come with an incredible background, and I've had your hands and so many different things which quite frankly, are highly unusual, and this is something that I really was looking forward to chatting with you about. So anyway would you share with the audience. I find it's always interesting that story behind, So you know, what is your story, what's your background, and how do you get to this point in your life where you're doing what you're doing. Absolutely so, I had a very traditional upbringing, and I went through the regular educational track, got my undergraduate degree, worked for a while, went to graduate school and got my Masters of Business and to Masters of Science and Public Policy. And I was coming out of that program and my body was done with me. And not only was my body tired and beat up from staying up late doing a bunch of networking events, which are great excuses for free alcohol, and just working hard.

2:07 I looked around me and people were getting these great jobs, but they weren't happy, and so I took a break to take care of myself. And as part of that break, I ended up working with plant medicine, and that brought me down a rabbit hole where I spent five years studying plant medicine full time, living in Peru, living in Guatemala, working having I think it averaged out to a ceremony a week for five years was her minus, and then saying I want to transfer that work and be able to help people who can't work with plant medicine as well, and so I cultivated a skill set that helps people blossom into who they're destined to be in some way, shape or form. It's to transform those outdated patterns that are getting in the way. Okay. And then how now, when you talk about the plants, then as far as shamanic energy, is that part of the plants or is that an entirely different thing. They are related and separate. So working with plant medicine, specifically ayahuasca, you know it is shamanism, and what happens in that space is energy medicine that is guided by plant spirits, by the energy of ayahuasca. My lineage that I come from is a line of

3:38 palerros, or people who work with trees, so we work different tree spirits and at the same time, sorry, you can also do shamanic energy work without any plant medicine, where you're working on just the energy body, and that's what I primarily focus on. Now, So how does that work? I mean when you talk about shamanic medicine, for me, I've heard the words so often in the phrase so often, but I've never understood how it works. That's a great question. It's funny I had a teacher very early on who said, if anybody asks you if you're a shaman, your first question should be what do you mean by shaman? And so, what I mean when I say this is that we're working on the energetic field. And so people might be familiar with the chakra system or maybe the idea of our bodies as a giant electromagnetic system. Right, So if you can imagine a giant doughnut essentially of energy, a trus going around us, we are the work that I have been trained in rather takes that luminous energy field, the

5:10 aura, and works on clearing out patterns that exist in it through the chakra system, which is kind of the interpreter between that oric field and our physical body. Okay, and so and we'll get into that a little bit more now. I also noticed that you're a gene keys guide. Okay, thank you. And one of the questions that came to my mind immediately is and for those people, would you explain what gene keys is? And also I'm sure that if you did gene keys, you're familiar with human design. Could you explain to the audience what that is? Yeah, So, the gene Keys is a contemplative system that was built really on the backbone of human design and has spun off and become its own thing. And the way that I view it is that it is a contemplative playground for you to get to know yourself. And so it takes the eaching the chakra system, astrology, and it is a synthesis that brings it all together. And so it can be a very complex and overwhelming system. And at the same point in time, there's so many different access points that it is super easy to find a pathway to work with it that is going to be beneficial for somebody's life. And the best way is through play in my experience well, and obviously to get

6:44 that. And I know because I've actually done the human design and I just when I saw this actually went on and did my gen keys to see what mine was. But what's interesting about it is they ask for your birthdate, your name, obviously, your birth date, where you were born, what time you were born, all those type of things. And my understanding is more accurate you can be on that, the better the result that you get. You know, it's interesting. I do a behavioral profile and I'm certified in that, and what I find is is I'm working with someone, I love to have them do that initially and then sit down with them and go over that, and I find that most of the time, I would say that we've about probably eighty eighty five maybe even ninety percent accuracy in that.

7:30 But what I remember I always do is I ask them, now, does does this bring true to you? Or does this not? And so forth? Do you find that's the same case? You know? It always? It always makes me curious between what's the difference between letting some type of profile tell you who you are versus self discovery, which I would assume is happening through the shamanic energy medicine that you do so within shamanic energy, within coaching, within gene keys or human design. I really agree with what you said. There's this fine balance between having something external inform you about who you are versus having something that opens the door so that you can discover and take that journey inwards. And when you say, I'm curious when you say that you do profiling, what are you talking about typology and kind of the Youngian approach to it. No, Actually, it's it's a company called People Keys, and it's a very very thorough profile of behavior. So it really goes in and talks about what's that innate person that you are, what's that social person, what do you feel like you need to be, and then ultimately how you combine those together and how do you, you know, kind of come across. And obviously, the one thing that can I in this why I like this particular one. The one thing that usually will never change is that

9:03 innate but everything else can be changed depending on how you become conscious about what's going on and what you choose to change. So I find that fascinating. I like that. I'll have to explore it. I know with gene Keys and human design in particular, human design is a little bit more prescriptive in my experience of it. It says, this is the type of car that you're driving. Here's how you turn on that car, Here's how you navigate and use the steering wheel. Gene Keys, on the other hand, says, okay, and what type of adventure do you want to go on?

9:45 And it invites you to ask, and it gives you material to look at, to read, to contemplate, And by contemplate, I don't mean think about, I just mean to view and to reflect upon and then to feel how that's going in your system, and then finally to embody those lessons that you're getting. You know, we can think about things until the cows come home, but at some point in time we have to take that digestive process that starts when we choose something over in our minds and embody the lessons and what works for us from that. And as you've worked with people with the gene keys, what has been the overall observation on your part? How accurate is that? I mean, because obviously it's using some of the elements of astrology with whatever else was developed to do this. What do you find the accuracy of it is? And what kind of feedback do you get as you're working with people that say, you know that doesn't sound right, or you know that's dead on. I have found that people generally find it to be dead on. And at the same time, some things just don't resonate with people, you know. And so I have friends who won't touch the gene Keys with a ten foot pole, partially because they feel how deep of a system it is. And there are people who like to go really down the

11:18 rabbit hole in things which their gen keys in human design profile would validate from an external perspective, it's just not the right system for them. And so I find that it's pretty accurate. And people are very familiar, especially if you talk about their shadow states. So every gen key has a shadow frequency, a gift frequency, and an acidic frequency, or a very very high kind of divine frequency. And our goal is maybe to get to that divine frequency, but as humans, it's to start operating a lot more from the gift frequency than just the shadow frequency. But people are very familiar with their shadows. You start asking people about their gifts and kind of the divine aspect about themselves, and it's much harder for them to see sometimes well, and you know, one of the words that comes to my mind, and I find it interesting is the imposter syndrome. And as you talk about the shadow or you know, whatever that means, let's talk about what does it mean to really become real? Because I think most of us when we talk about shadow, I look at that from the standpoint of you know, as young people, as children, we have been so environmentally affected and imprinted by our parents, by our religion, by our society, by our school, by our friends, all that type of thing. And what I find is,

12:48 oftentimes those very things start to come up as though that's who we are when we recognize or when we can obviously recognize that, you know what, no I am and I'm experiencing that impostor syndrome because that's not who I really am. And it sounds to me like what you're doing, particularly with the shamanic energy medicine so forth, is helping people to dive deep to really discover who they really are. I like the impostor syndrome. It's often the case that we do feel like impostors in our own life. And my entire framework is designed about being real, and for me, real means that we're relaxed, we're engaged, we're authentic, and we're loving. It's a compass, we're always working there. It's an ideal and as what I have found is that as we work with that concept and somatically, how relaxed am I am?

13:50 I disengaged in my life? What is the level of authenticity that I hold in this action? And how loving is it? That would as soon as we start engaging with that, we can start to define and gain clarity around those imprints, those deep, deep patterns that prevent us from being in alignment with that. And it's not like they haven't been there before, it's just that we misidentified them as an aspect of us, that is true. And once we realize that they're an imprint, that they're a pattern, that we can let go of them. That's where the shamanic energy work comes in, and it's focused on letting go of both the imprint, the energy associated with it, and most importantly in my mind, is the affinity for it.

14:41 Because oftentimes we can work on these patterns over and over and over again, but if there's a subconscious affinity for it, it's going to come back over and over and over again, and that is exhausting and painful. And so the work that I do helps people gain a to navigate the terrain of their life so that they can transform those old patterns and discover the treasure that lies underneath them. You know, it's interesting. You know, we talked about this, and I remember years ago when I first started hearing about these things, it was like, yeah, this is a little bit woo woo. And you know, I come from a very scientific background as a dentist and so I've found it very interesting. But as I've gone on and as I've researched, and as I've gotten involved in different things, one of the things I'm discovering is that they are now scientifically showing some of these things to be true. For instance, you talk about energy and the energy fields, and based on some research that I have seen, they are showing that, you know, for instance, through meditation and tapping into those chakras and giving out and attracting that energy from the quantum field, which is what they call it.

15:58 That literally, scientifically they are showing changes in the body of health and those type of things, and actually in some cases some miraculous healings that go on. And so I think it's fascinating how that works. And then it also as we look at the neural pathways and realize that, you know, as we talk about that belief system that's obviously in most cases very subconscious, that you can change those neural pathways to the point where you consciously change who you are and become who you really genuinely are. What are your thoughts on that? In summary, Yes, I'm fully on board with all of that, and my experience backs that up. For me too. You know, ayahuasca is as a plant medicine, is something that helps us gain more conscious awareness of our energetic body, how energy works, you know, reidentify what is the mind? Is it just the brain or is it something bigger than that. But one of the benefits is that it's really good at helping you create new neural pathways from from a scientific level. You know, after working with plant medicine, it is a great time to restart and reinvigorate or begin a new practice because you're primed for those neural pathways to be redefined and regrooved,

17:33 so to speak. Why why is there you know, you talk about plant medicine. Why is it that there's kind of a hesitation among people in general about plant meditation. Oh, there's a few different answers to that probably, Uh, I think it's a really healthy hesitation. Uh. Yeah, you know, when you are talking about really starting to look at yourself and changing who you are and surrendering to something that is inherently unsafe to the ego as it is right now, and so going into a plant medicine ceremony and saying, oh, this is just going to be the best time ever and there's nothing that could happen. No, you are diving into the depths of your own being, and you might not like what you see there, or you might love what you see there. But either way, it's destabilizing to all of these structures that you've built up to define who you are. And so at that level, I think it's really healthy to be not fearful of it, but just to respect the power of ceremony and what you're going to be going into. On the other hand, there is a especially in the

19:07 United States over the past however, many centuries, we have prescribed certain substances are good, certain substances are bad, things are okay, things are not okay. We can point to the psychedelic Revolution of the sixties and the Harvard Psychedelic Club and those studies where there was really good science coming out of it that was supportive. But just like it shakes our own internal systems, it can shake the aspects of society that might be out of alignment. And when we're talking about these really beautiful yet really powerful substances, there needs to be structure and guidance and an understanding. And that's why doing or working with ayahuasca in a ceremonial context that's connected to a lineage or something like that, where there's a history built into it that says, hey, this is how you work and navigate that space skillfully is really important if you just you know, and I have done this in my lifetime. If you're in the festival scene and you're taking psychedelics, it is really fun. It can be beautiful, but there's no structure around it to help that energy transform and be potent, and so what could be a wonderfully transformative experience just kind of fizzles and it's

20:47 not an event. It's just another experience that you've had in your life. And then it comes back to the same old, same old. Yeah, man, you know, I find that as I'm doing those behavioral profiles, one of the things I talk about to folks is as we look at where their strengths are, if they take it too far and now becomes a weakness. And I think that's true. It's interesting. You know, I actually live in Utah during the summer, and it's been interesting to watch and to talk to my psychologist friends and others. For instance, with mushrooms, and you know, I've never done it, Brian never will but what they're finding now is they're starting to find that under the care of a psychologist that they are starting to use mushrooms in a very careful way in order to in a medicinal way, in order to help people get through some of these challenges, particularly with PTSD and some of these other types of things. So it fascinates me how we can take something that can be so good and then overdo it to the point that it does become an issue. And I think that's where we have society coming and say, oh, it's all bad when we don't realize that. You know what, if it's done correctly, professionally, with care and with caution, it can be a value. Yeah, what is

22:18 the intention? And that's a moving target for everybody to work with. And I would say that's true outside of just plant medicine or the psychedelic space. You know, it can be true for food. You can overeat. The question is how do we nourish ourselves? And I said, I came from a lineage of palettos or tree people essentially, And there is such a thing in the jungle as being tree heavy. You've worked with two many big, starting strong trees. You need some plants, some flowers, some other things to help lighten up that denise city that can be there, Because ideally, what we're looking for is to be in balance, in harmony with ourselves.

23:08 So sure, some people might have more of an intense focus in their lives, but that's in harmony with who they are. And other people might be more relaxed and a little flowery and floaty, but that's in harmony with who they are. You can be overly flowery, floating, ungrounded, and you can be overly grounded and rigid as well. So the question is how do we navigate our lives skillfully, and how do we navigate our culture skillfully so that we can all be in harmony. Well, then, as you've been working with people now you know, through your shamanic energy and so forth, or even the gene case, any journeys that you've observed of healing of an individual who has really been struggling emotionally with their mind and all of that type of thing that's been able to really come out of that situation in a much more healthy, happy way. I have a lot of those stories. My favorite, one of my favorites is actually one of the simplest It was just a very good friend of mine who had been working with plant medicine and going through this struggle where their mind was just spinning and beating them up in all the same negative talk, repeating over and over and over again, and their

24:38 heart was trying to love those negative thoughts and at the same time he was really frustrated with his mind. And his shift that happened was as soon as he realized that his mind and his ego was not the enemy and it got to come to it was just a that was protecting him, and that he got to love it all together, then he was able to operate more skillfully with his mind from a heart's in our place, and his life took off. His health started improving, his gut issues started improving, his relationships improved. I mean, it was like a cascade effect that just changed his entire life. And that's a simple version. I mean, I've worked with people who have deep PTSD from childhood sexual abuse, or whose parents have like my own, who have died from suicide, or they have had something in their life that's been negatively impacting them. Where a lot of this work and you kind of pointed to it with the mushrooms and working with a psychologist. We can get trapped in trying to resolve these things mentally or very mentally focused culture.

26:02 But it's not just about shifting our mindset and viewing something in a different way. It's really about changing our underlying myth of how we are operating, this unseen myth that we are living through. And when we change that, then the way that energy flows through our life, the way that those divine synchronicities occur, starts flowing so much more smoothly. And so you know, I can say people have just lived happier, healthier, more peaceful lives. And I can also say I've seen people let go of deep, deep held somatic trauma so that they can take that next step in their life to find those happier relationships where they learn how to love themselves and be empowered as an individual so that they can be empowered in a partnership. And that's me is some of the best rewards that I have for doing this work well. And you know, you talk about ego, you talk about the mind, and it's so fascinating to me that you know there are others that talk about the ego. How do we let go and what does the ego really do to us? And you know, there's a book that I've read that it really is fascinating, talks about ego, talks about consciousness, and talks about the fact that we can either use our brain and allow it to control us in

27:33 our whole environment and our experience in life, or we can take control. We can truly become conscious and recognize that when those things come up emotionally, which they're going to do, when we get triggered and we all have that happen, that we can consciously look at that and say, you know what, that's not me, and I'm going to let that go. It's interesting. I had a friend who's a Buddhist contact me the other day and the question was, how do I learn to let go? And you know, that becomes a fascinating thing because as we're working with people who are really seeking to overcome all of that emotional trauma and to really become who they genuinely are, I think one of the biggest challenges is for people to learn how to let go. And obviously some of the things in the approaches you're taking helps.

28:34 I look at meditation. I do meditation as much as I possibly can, and I found that that's another way that people can learn to do that. But what has been your experience is you work with people and as you're guiding people and you see them literally so focused, as you say, their mind is focused on those things that come up subconsciously, which is really a dichotomy. Here's the mindset supposed to be conscious, and yet in many cases our life is controlled by that subconscious stuff. How have you helped people and what do you do with them? And how do you guide them to learn how to let go of that trauma? Obviously you experienced it yourself. You know, we all know others that have experienced, and we've all experienced to some degree. How do we help people to learn to let go of that practice? I mean it sounds tripe, but you have to practice and finding the practice. One of the ways that I work with people is helping them find the practices that work for them and for me. I always tell people, look, you have to practice magic things that are and it's another acronym, but it's find a practice that helps you be mindful, that is adaptable, that's gentle, that's inspiring to you, and that helps you connect with something greater than yourself, or that helps you connect with yourself first. You

30:11 know, I love the Buddhist approach to these things where it is kind of the letting go, and there's so many different approaches to what it means to let go and to take that next step. And there's a perspective that to really let go, you have to take the first step of figuring out who you are. You have to create a healthy ego before you can let it go. And otherwise it's just this great form of spiritual materialism and spiritual bypassing of saying, well, I have all these parts about myself that I really want I could get rid of. So I'm trying to kick them out the door. And so you're not actually sitting with them, you're not actually investigating them, You're pushing them away and they just get stronger. Well, and you know what, the phrase that comes to my mind is that which we resist persists. And so you know, as you talk about letting go, and I think that you've hit on a really key point is that as we look at these things, number one, becoming weware really really becoming aware that okay, this is coming up. And that's whereas you say mindfulness comes in, true consciousness comes in, and we look at that and recognize that,

31:42 you know what, if I get angry or if I feel like I need to argue about this or whatever, that's our ego, That is our ego telling us that we just need to be right or whatever that happens to be. But to be able to get to the point where you consciously not try to put it, not not necessarily avoid it, but allow it to come up, and then recognize consciously that, you know what, that's not who I am, And I understand what lessons did I learn from that experience? How has that ultimately helped me in my life? Which I think every negative experience we have, even some of the most horrific ones. I think some of the best interviews I've done is with individuals who have experienced severe trauma in their early childhood. And what they have done with that is looked at that and allowed it to help them to do the studies, to do the things, to write the books, and now they are a messenger for others who are experiencing it that have not quite yet figured out how to overcome that emotional trauma, to help them to do so. So I think that as we look at that, it really helps us to understand that everything that happens to us, we can look at it from two different perspectives. We can look at it as a victim or we can look at it from this perspective of what have I learned from this? Or what can I learn from this?

33:13 And so as you work with people, do you find that helping them to consciously make choices in the right direction, in a positive direction, literally changes those neuropathways and really helps them to create a different life for themselves. Yes. And the way that I would put that is asking them a question and helping them cultivate this understanding of is life happening to me? And is life against me? Or is life happening for me? And how even within those challenges, is there something to learn and go forwards from? How can it transform you? You know, we are not static being, despite the fact that we might like to be. Sometimes we are consistently in a state of flux and change, and that's hard. But if we consistently view it as this is bad life is happening to me, it's loss, it's grief, then our entire life becomes grief centric. And frustration, and if we view it from a life is happening for me, there can be celebration in there as well as the grief. You know, if I had one practice that I could share with anybody, it's very simple. Just put one hand on your forehead, one hand on your belly, and when something's coming up, saying I'm let's say it's anger. I'm feeling angry. I'm feeling angry.

34:49 It is okay to feel angry, and then you ask yourself, am I ready to let this anger go? And if the answer is yes, great, it's gone, it's proof. If the answer is no, then stop worrying about trying to let it go. Investigate why you're not ready to let it go yet, look at how it's serving you, look at what you're holding on to there. And if the answer is maybe, then you also get to play around with that. But you can't force the letting go process. You have to fully live life. And the challenges is that that's hard, and so we try to stop ourselves from feeling all the suffering, stopping ourselves from feeling the grief, the loss, and those are the things that transform us. It's just that by resisting them, as you said, what we resist persists, and so the celebration becomes ephemeral, but the suffering becomes static, and that is a hard place to be. Well, you know the one that keeps coming, the question that keeps coming to my mind, And you'll find I'm very curious about things. You know, I understand Jane Keys to some degree. I understand plant medicine. And I asked you this question before, but I don't know. Are you able to explain to the audience this shamanic energy? How do how do you use that? If you

36:19 were going to work with me, how would you use the shamanic energy in a way that number one, I would understand it. Number two that I would experience what's going on, so that number three I can literally experience the results. Yeah. So the way that I work is I start with poaching and we figure out what's going on in your life to identify a pattern. And what the shamanic energy medicine does is it takes an imprint which is within your luminous energy field, so it's in your aura for the listeners who might be more familiar with that, Okay, And what what happens over time is that these imprints in our aura get either activated or start crystallizing and moving farther and farther and farther into the physical body until they manifest as disease, illness, bad things that happened to us essentially. And so what I would do if I was working with you is I would ask you about what is this oversized pattern? You know, if it's not just oh, I felt angry this one time, it's I had this persisting rage against something and there's a very there's a specific trigger that's there. But I'd ask you to feel that that rage, that overlarged pattern, and you would take that feeling and you

37:50 would blow it into a stone. And then I would diagnose where in the body what chakra is this getting translated through, And it might be impacting more than one chakra, but we work on the lowest chakra. So if it's impacting the solar plexus, the heart, and the throat, we would access it from the solar plexus to make sure that we're getting to the root of it. We'd unwind that chakra start clearing it out through the shamanic energy medicine toolkit, so to speak. And then once that imprint, the energy associated with it, and the affinity for it has been cleared out because it's all just sitting there, stagged and stuck energy. Then we would check to see if there's anything like a Shamanically, we might speak about cords that are tying it to somebody else, or a feeding tube that's sucking energy away from you, or crystallized energy, which is just stagnancy that's really heavy energy that sits there. Over time would clear that out, and then we'd fill it with pure divine light, pure divine light, and that takes what had been stuck in dense. It's not good or bad, it's just dense versus clear,

39:20 and it takes that density and it fills it with pure light so that you can operate from a place of clarity and ease. And it's amazing because I'll work with people and they have these patterns that are exhausting to them, and then three weeks later we're in another session and they're like, I can't even remember what it was that I was so frustrated about. It's gone. And that's where I love this work, because I've seen in the Ayahuasca plan medicine world, you get a lot done and it's beautiful, but sometimes the affinity person and with the Shamanic energy medicine, through clearing out the chalker bike, clearing out these imprints and the affinities the pattern. You could intentionally try to reprogram the pattern, but it's like clearing out of sam scara. If we want to use the kind of Indian mythological point of view, these pathways, like if you're a skier and you ski down a mountain enough, eventually you're just gonna end up taking that same track because your skis have grooved that line.

40:31 So even if you try to take a new one, now it's sloping you back towards the old path. What the Shamanic energy medicine does is it's like a fresh pile of snow. And so now the mountain is clear, and you remember the paths that you used to take, But the ability to take and carve a new one is so easy. And yes it takes practice to consolidate and develop those general pathways, but you're no longer falling into the old ones. Well, oh yeah, and I find it fascinating, you know again, I think people are starting to understand chakras more and the energy from a scientific standpoint, I hear people who are a little bit more scientific oriented calling them energy centers. But again, what they're discovering is that as you identify those energy centers or those chakras and the frequency and the energy that comes out of that, that you can then tap into in the universe and literally heal that and bring in that as you say, you know, that sense of peace and really clear up those areas. It's amazing what they're seeing happening from the standpoint of a is you say, very emotional healing that can go on as well as physical healing. I think that we don't understand how much our emotion affect our health. My best analogy for people who struggle with

42:07 that concept is really just to say, have you ever been stressed? And generally the answer is yes, and that stress impacts your nervous system and so you're tight. You can feel the tension in your body. So there's this very clear visceral reaction of oh, when I'm stressed, an emotional mental dynamic, there's a physical response in my body and the cordisol levels rise, and once you have those cordisol levels high for over a period of time, it really can affect your health. So it's interesting that we talk about these things and so many people go ah, yeah, yeah, yeah really. But then as we start to look at it from a scientific standpoint, everything that you're saying is validated through science to some degree or another, depending on how deep you know, someone has done some research. But the reality is, I don't think there's anything that you've said here that hasn't been validated to some degree scientifically. So here's my question. How do people find you? People can find me on my website, which is www dot alchemyshift dot com alchemy Shift dot you. You can probably find me on Instagram or Facebook, but I don't update those. I find that my time is better spent holding down my fort and doing my practices than going there. So my website is the

43:37 best access point. Are you able to actually do the shamanic energy work via zoom or do you have to do it in person? You can do it via zoom, And this is the crazy part to me. I mean, I love this because it blows my mind all the time. Energy knows no time, distance, nor bounds, and so within the tools, techniques and trainings, you can absolutely work on the energetic body from Afar and it's just as effective. And so I would say ninety five percent of my clientele is via zoom and online. Yeah, that's amazing. So as we close up today, what I'd love for you to do is share with the audience what would be a message that you would like to share with them that might have some impact in their lives. If there is one thing that I have to share with your audience, it would be that life is sacred. Their life is sacred and there's nothing that they need to do or to fix to improve that. They don't need to repair some sort of cosmic sin. They are worthy just as the they are, and my invitation to them is to allow themselves to blossom, to allow themselves to be who they are because the world

45:08 needs them to be. Well. Thank you. I love that. That's a great message. And hey Michael, thanks so much for being on the show. This has been a fascinating discussion. Thanks for having me on. This was blessed folks. Hey, thanks for listening. I hope you get some messages out of this today, and please go to his website if you want to get some more information on this. You know, what I find is for everybody there's a different solution and we talked about that. Michael. Is that you know, for some this will work, for others that will work, and for those of you that have not found something yet to work, this is something definitely that I think you should look into. So thanks for listening. I hope you'll join us again soon. This is doctor Doug saying no honesty. Attendant returned to camp year