March 10, 2026

Quiet the Noise, Hear Your Wisdom — with Nadege Laure

Quiet the Noise, Hear Your Wisdom — with Nadege Laure
iHeartRadio podcast player iconSpotify podcast player iconAmazon Music podcast player iconAudible podcast player iconPandora podcast player iconApple Podcasts podcast player iconSpreaker podcast player iconPodchaser podcast player iconAudacy podcast player iconDeezer podcast player iconTuneIn podcast player iconRSS Feed podcast player iconPodcast Addict podcast player iconCastro podcast player iconCastamatic podcast player iconCastbox podcast player iconFountain podcast player iconJioSaavn podcast player iconPlayerFM podcast player iconOvercast podcast player iconGoodpods podcast player iconPocketCasts podcast player iconPodverse podcast player iconPodurama podcast player iconPodimo podcast player iconPodyssey podcast player iconYouTube podcast player iconYoutube Music podcast player icon
iHeartRadio podcast player iconSpotify podcast player iconAmazon Music podcast player iconAudible podcast player iconPandora podcast player iconApple Podcasts podcast player iconSpreaker podcast player iconPodchaser podcast player iconAudacy podcast player iconDeezer podcast player iconTuneIn podcast player iconRSS Feed podcast player iconPodcast Addict podcast player iconCastro podcast player iconCastamatic podcast player iconCastbox podcast player iconFountain podcast player iconJioSaavn podcast player iconPlayerFM podcast player iconOvercast podcast player iconGoodpods podcast player iconPocketCasts podcast player iconPodverse podcast player iconPodurama podcast player iconPodimo podcast player iconPodyssey podcast player iconYouTube podcast player iconYoutube Music podcast player icon

Join Nadege Laure and Dr. Doug as this episode maps the terrain from stress to serenity. Nadege shares accessible rituals—nature walks, breathwork, journaling and yin yoga—to cultivate inner clarity. A special reading of “Internal Revolution” from her book “Poems for Soulful Living” anchors a conversation on purpose, courage, and everyday calm. www.nadegelaure.com

Inspire Vision Podcast is broadcast on K4HD Radio (www.k4hd.com) part of Talk 4 Radio (www.talk4radio.com) on the Talk 4 Media Network (www.talk4media.com).  

Inspire Vision Podcast TV Show is viewed on Talk 4 TV (www.talk4tv.com).  

Inspire Vision Podcast is also available on Talk 4 Podcasting (www.talk4podcasting.com), iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Audible, and over 100 other podcast outlets.

WEBVTT

1
00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:04.599
This program is designed to provide general information with regards

2
00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:07.599
to the subject matters covered. This information is given with

3
00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:12.000
the understanding that neither the hosts, guests, sponsors, or station

4
00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:17.399
are engaged in rendering any specific and personal medical, financial,

5
00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:22.719
legal counseling, professional service, or any advice. You should seek

6
00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:26.839
the services of competent professionals before applying or trying any

7
00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:29.440
suggested ideas.

8
00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:32.039
At the end of the day, it's not about what

9
00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:35.280
you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what

10
00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.479
you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,

11
00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:41.719
who you've made better. It's about what you've given back.

12
00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:45.960
Denzel Washington, Welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is

13
00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.880
to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to.

14
00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:51.840
Say today, welcome to the show.

15
00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:55.000
Hello, thank you for having me.

16
00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:58.520
I'm really excited that the things that you do and

17
00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:00.240
the things that you talk about, I think are going

18
00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:02.759
to be so fascinating for the audience. So I'm looking

19
00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:04.519
forward to this conversation.

20
00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:08.760
Thank you. I hope so, I hope people will enjoy

21
00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:12.439
it and get something out of it. So were you

22
00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:17.439
living I'm in Melbourne, Australia and I have for nearly

23
00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:19.040
over fifteen years.

24
00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:21.719
That's exciting, that's exciting, But.

25
00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:25.280
I'm originally from friends here.

26
00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:29.760
Okay, Yeah, you might be enjoying Australia more at this

27
00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:34.040
point in time very much. So, you know, one of

28
00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:37.480
the questions I always ask my guests is to kind

29
00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:41.879
of tell the story. There's always a journey that you

30
00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:45.040
go through to reach you to this point of doing

31
00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:47.599
what you're doing, and I'd love for you to share

32
00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:51.799
with the audience your journey. What was what was that

33
00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:56.719
aha moment? What was that situation? What brought you to

34
00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:58.040
this point? I.

35
00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:02.280
As far as I can remember, so even in primary school,

36
00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:06.359
I was already writing in a diary about my day

37
00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:10.080
and about you know, emotions of things that I was feeling.

38
00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:15.400
I've always been curious about why we're here and what

39
00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:17.599
we meant to be doing, So that was a big,

40
00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:21.759
big question for me also in my teenage years, and

41
00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:26.000
that's when I discovered Buddhist meditation. So that was a

42
00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:31.039
big tool in helping me going words and start connecting

43
00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:37.080
with something greater and sort of experience touching onto something

44
00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.400
sacred or at least, you know, bigger than myself. And

45
00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:43.560
when I was eighteen years old, my mom passed away,

46
00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:49.960
and that truly reinforced that quest of finding out the

47
00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:53.240
meaning of life, why we're here, because surely, you know,

48
00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.919
we just didn't come here to be stuck in traffic

49
00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:59.759
and go to work and you know, run after something

50
00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:03.879
materialistic that will not nourish it. So I've always been

51
00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:09.199
convinced and looking for the purpose, the meaning of life,

52
00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:13.199
and that led me, you know, to backpacking and traveling

53
00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:17.159
all over the world for a few years and studying

54
00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:25.479
with different teachers, exploring different faith or different philosophical schools,

55
00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:30.360
or really trying to get answers from everywhere up until

56
00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:34.240
the point I read a quote by Rhina Maria Rilko

57
00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:37.879
who said the only journey is the one within. And

58
00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:40.000
that was a bit of a harm moment, as you said,

59
00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:42.240
in terms of flipping the thing on its head, because

60
00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:45.879
I realized that I had been searching for all of

61
00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:50.000
these answers outside of myself, kind of expecting that someone

62
00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.439
would tell me, this is what you're here to do.

63
00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:59.280
And so I really, you know, went further inwards with meditation,

64
00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:04.960
with yoga. I had kept a journaling practice on enough,

65
00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:07.520
but then at that point it going back into my

66
00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:12.199
life a lot more stronger and more regularly, so a

67
00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:17.519
lot of introspective practices to know myself better, to discover

68
00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:22.000
that sense of purpose myself. And so this is what

69
00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:26.560
I help women with nowadays, people who are a bit

70
00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:30.639
in a transition or in between chapters and finding more

71
00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:35.519
that sense of meaning and purpose and the confidence to

72
00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:37.639
go for it, to embody it and to live.

73
00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:41.399
You know that I love that, and I love that

74
00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:45.199
quote that you shared. I actually have that one written down.

75
00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:48.600
The only journey is the one within, and you know

76
00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:52.639
that that is so true and for me, it's fascinating.

77
00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:56.360
I love theology, and so you know, I've studied Buddhism.

78
00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:00.959
I happen to be a Christian, and you know, as

79
00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:03.040
I look at that, and one of the things I've

80
00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:07.720
looked at is getting into the New Testament and kind

81
00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:11.959
of looking at what was taught there in a slightly

82
00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:16.519
different perspective. And as I did that, I recognize that

83
00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:21.720
most of the parables that were taught there were find yourself,

84
00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:26.279
go within, And that's an interesting perspective when you look

85
00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:30.519
at that. And so yeah, you know, as you did that,

86
00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.160
one of the questions that I have that has nothing

87
00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:35.839
to do with what you thought we were going to

88
00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:39.759
talk about. But I find that, you know, as you

89
00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:43.240
talk about within, the sacredness within and so forth, it's

90
00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:47.240
been interesting to me to see the evolution that has occurred.

91
00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.920
And if we go back and this is this is fascinating.

92
00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:54.560
And you may have seen this, but going back to

93
00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:59.360
twenty five hundred BCE, twenty twenty five hundred BCE, there

94
00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:04.040
was a whole a different perspective of God and belief

95
00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:08.519
in God. And it's interesting when you look at Hebrew,

96
00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:12.839
when you look at Hinduism, when you look at the Chinese,

97
00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:18.040
they all had a similar belief in a God and

98
00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:22.360
his partner, a feminine God or a godness all right.

99
00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.639
And it's interesting that then as you trace it down,

100
00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:29.279
philosophers come in all of a sudden, this is modified

101
00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:31.560
a little bit, This is modified a little bit to

102
00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:35.439
the point. Now where with Buddha, for instance, you know

103
00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.959
he was Hindu, but by the time he came into life,

104
00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:43.600
he was challenged with seeing all these people suffering and

105
00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:46.920
so forth, and so he ended up not really sure,

106
00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:49.600
never saying is there a God or isn't there a God?

107
00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:53.560
It was just you know, it was more internal as

108
00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:57.120
you're talking about here, So what are your thoughts on that.

109
00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:01.040
How do you help people to because I'm sure as

110
00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.480
you're working with people, many of them are religious, many

111
00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:07.600
of them are not. How do you help them to

112
00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:11.319
understand what you're really trying to help them to do,

113
00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:16.519
to find that light within exists with them.

114
00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:22.199
That's a really good question. And so surprisingly religion hasn't

115
00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:27.040
really been a big part with any client. I know,

116
00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.800
as you said, I'm aware some of them believe have faith,

117
00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:36.720
often Christians, and others don't. And yeah, it's funny you

118
00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:40.120
ask the question because it actually makes me reflect on

119
00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:45.000
how they each of them, how they perceive what that

120
00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:49.319
sacrenous is. And it seems like if I think back,

121
00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:52.480
you know, on a couple of people who dated, they

122
00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:57.959
weren't religious, they still feel that there's something else And

123
00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.120
I think, you know, maybe we don't have to label it.

124
00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.879
Maybe people don't have to say, you know, if they

125
00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:05.920
have a faith or what they believe in. But I

126
00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:10.439
think it's that sense of something greater, that we are

127
00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:14.759
just tiny and there is a meaning to life. And

128
00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.839
then it's that part of there's a bit of surrender

129
00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:22.040
into the hope the hopefulness of what would be, what

130
00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:26.439
could be, a trust in that unknown. And so maybe

131
00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:28.759
people who are a bit more religious have more of

132
00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:32.840
that confidence and face, you know, to jump into the

133
00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:36.240
unknown and have a sense of peace with that. Maybe

134
00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:40.519
they might be a bit more daring or encouraged to

135
00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:43.799
make the change, whereas maybe the women who you know

136
00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:49.159
said they were atheists would require a little bit more

137
00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:53.000
work into the fears or removing the fear, or having

138
00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:59.039
that the belief reframed that you will be supported into

139
00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:01.200
what you choose to do, if it's on your path,

140
00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:02.519
if it's meant to be.

141
00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:06.039
Do you find that there's kind of this longing for

142
00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:12.720
that understanding of self and the goodness and the light

143
00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:16.039
that exists and the sacredness it exists within each one

144
00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:16.600
of us.

145
00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:19.039
I think so. And I think it's been changing, you know,

146
00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:21.399
the last few years. I think there's always been a

147
00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:23.720
quest in one way or another. I think it's been

148
00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:27.279
a lot more emphasize and strength in the last few years,

149
00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.159
probably with the pandemic, right when people were stuck at

150
00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:34.960
home with a lot of their habits removed or connections removed,

151
00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:38.120
and they had to spend a lot more time with themselves.

152
00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:41.000
So I believe that that has opened the door for

153
00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:44.919
a lot of people, you know, to search to have

154
00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:49.200
more meaning, like who am I without my job? You know?

155
00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:53.200
What am I meant to be doing? What do I

156
00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:56.919
truly want to do? And I think there's more of

157
00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:01.080
a realization, you know, because we if it's you know, women,

158
00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:04.639
when we sold the beauty magazines or you know, all

159
00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:11.600
of the facial creams and the fashion, all these external qualifiers,

160
00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:14.559
all those external things, I think women got really tired

161
00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:17.879
of it, and there's more of a removing those layers

162
00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:20.399
and going for something that's a lot more concrete and

163
00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:21.639
a lot more profound.

164
00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:25.480
Yes, yes, I you know, I feel like there's a

165
00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:30.080
longing and people can't even necessarily identify. But as I

166
00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:33.519
was talking right from the beginning, to see how here's

167
00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:39.279
an original belief in a sense of solidity, and then

168
00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:43.440
as as time goes on and philosophers come in, they

169
00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.679
start to change things, and all of a sudden, here

170
00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.879
we are not you know, like Buddha, he was at

171
00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:52.440
a pointing time where he couldn't say is there a God?

172
00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:54.759
Is there not a God? I just see all the sufferings,

173
00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:59.120
so I can't even say, and yet you know, so

174
00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:01.879
he really felt on that inner self, which I think

175
00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:06.679
is amazing and isn't it interesting? I think that there's

176
00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:10.679
such a longing to understand, and yet we've been so

177
00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:16.240
influenced by everything around us, sometimes we've lost that, and

178
00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:20.080
yet that inter longing is always there, that inter understanding

179
00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:23.759
of wanting to know the self and wanting to understand that,

180
00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:27.039
you know, we truly are good, We truly have that

181
00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.799
light within us. And as as your whole focus is

182
00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:36.559
to help women to discover that within themselves, and how

183
00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:39.960
do you how do you help them to you know,

184
00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.159
when they come to you and you're working with them

185
00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:44.919
and they're struggling and so forth, how do you help

186
00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:49.200
them to reconnect? And I would say it's a reconnection

187
00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.600
with that inner self. But before we get to that question,

188
00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:54.919
I want you to tell the audience about the book

189
00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:56.360
that you wrote, the poems.

190
00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:01.320
So I wrote a book called Poems for Living and

191
00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:08.039
it's a collections of poems that are very introspective in nature.

192
00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:10.679
It was a time when I was teaching a lot

193
00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:17.679
of yoga, yin yoga and meditation, so very convative practices,

194
00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:21.000
and there were words I would share during my classes

195
00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:27.159
about stillness and looking inwards, building that confidence, listening to

196
00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:30.320
the inner voice. And then a few of them are

197
00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:34.720
about that shift of once you've been on that internal journey,

198
00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:39.679
there's an upward energy, there's a growth. So it's a

199
00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:43.080
blend of both, and it's very much for It's not

200
00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:47.240
just for you know, yogis or meditation practitioners. It's people

201
00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:50.639
who like to journal, people who like to contemplate while

202
00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:53.399
seeping on a cup of tea. That's the image I

203
00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:56.320
had at the start, you know, people just slipping tea,

204
00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:59.879
reading a book, reading a poem, closing the book in

205
00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:04.799
about it. And it's interesting because of the it came

206
00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:08.559
out almost two years ago now and the feedback the

207
00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:11.919
last couple of years is that it's stocked in a

208
00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:15.639
few shops around me. And the feedback is that it's

209
00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:19.200
greater than gift, and it's been gifted to a lot

210
00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:23.320
of women during a divorce, women who are changing careers,

211
00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:26.919
women you know when you've got your kids are big

212
00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:30.000
and they're leaving the house, or that empty nest syndrome,

213
00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:34.120
and women rediscovering themselves. So it's been reaching very much

214
00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:38.519
all all those people at that you know tipping point

215
00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:45.080
at that journey of rediscovery. What's next? What's the next

216
00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:47.000
chapter that I want to write?

217
00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:49.360
Oh, and I'd love for you to read one of

218
00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:51.320
You're a poems. One of the ones that attracted me

219
00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:57.080
is this poem called internal Revolution. Would you read that

220
00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:58.960
for the audience. I think that will be a great

221
00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:01.120
start to even conversation here.

222
00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:06.240
I'd love to internal Revolution. In this moment of stillness

223
00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:10.679
and contemplation. There is something whispering to me. In the

224
00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:15.519
fasting from language and movement, I am touching upon the sacred.

225
00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:20.519
It can be felt in my inner sanctuary. There, in

226
00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:27.440
complete surrender, I receive the breath, its magic and healing. There,

227
00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:32.559
in open and kind presence is our doorway to accessing

228
00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:33.600
ourn wisdom.

229
00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:36.519
I love it. I have to tell you that as

230
00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:39.679
I was getting ready for this, and obviously this was

231
00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:41.840
a few months ago, and then we had to schedule

232
00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:45.480
a little bit later, but it was so inspirational to me.

233
00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:49.879
And I remember walking, which I do. I try to

234
00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:52.679
walk two to three times a week, and as I

235
00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.879
was walking around and I'm not in the city, I'm

236
00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:00.440
in a more rural area, so walking around and as

237
00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.840
I was coming back home, I was walking past rice fields,

238
00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:07.159
and you know, trees all over and everything, but right

239
00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.679
in the middle of this rice field was a singular tree,

240
00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:18.039
standing by itself and nothing closer than fifty yards of

241
00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:20.519
other trees. And I looked at that and I thought

242
00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:23.279
about what you talked about with stillness, and thought about

243
00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:26.960
this poem and thought, you know, it's so interesting that

244
00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:32.519
we don't talk about that stillness. And you know, one

245
00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:34.399
of the things that comes to my mind when I

246
00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:37.200
was thinking about that. You know, you have the stillness,

247
00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.200
but you also have the loneliness. And I think there's

248
00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:44.679
a difference. So as you're working with your clients, how

249
00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:48.600
many times do you find that they're lonely in some

250
00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:53.639
way and you're able to convert that over and reprogram

251
00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:57.399
that over to an understanding of stillness. So, rather than

252
00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:02.559
being a victim of loneliness, are now in power of stillness.

253
00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.919
That's such a good question. I think women often feel

254
00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:10.759
lonely because they might assume, you know, they're weird or

255
00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:15.919
they're going through something different, or yeah, they are different.

256
00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:19.960
They feel weird and disconnected, So I think there's a

257
00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:24.440
self directed withdrawal out of the group, and then they

258
00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:29.600
kind of suffer in violence, ruminating things, and when they,

259
00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:32.919
you know, reach out to me, that's already a first

260
00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:40.039
step of wanting something else. Through all of those introspective

261
00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:43.559
practices I offer, and in the one on one discussion

262
00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:49.840
or mentoring, I often guide them through a little meditation,

263
00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:52.279
whether it's at the start or at the end, depending

264
00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:56.000
on how you know, the discussion flows to help them

265
00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:01.960
bring them more in presence, connecting themselves. And I think

266
00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.920
for a lot of them it's that whether they practice

267
00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:07.759
or not, you know beforehand, with whether they're familiar with

268
00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:12.039
that sense of stillness beforehand or not, it is bringing

269
00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:18.799
them even closer to themselves at their core. And I

270
00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:20.960
believe there's a bit of an addiction that once you

271
00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:26.200
start experiencing that stillness and when you're there, there is

272
00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:29.480
a connection with something else you do here, you're on

273
00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:33.519
wisdom more. There is something that happens that is so

274
00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:38.039
precious in that moment, and they feel that. And I

275
00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:42.640
think that the you know, the start to something else,

276
00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:46.440
or the start to shifting maybe the loneliness and keeping

277
00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:51.720
everything inside, to being more open, to sharing, with openness,

278
00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:57.200
with vulnerability, with humility, whatever they think makes them an

279
00:17:57.200 --> 00:17:58.720
outsider well and.

280
00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:01.480
As you talk about their own wisdom, but then you

281
00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:06.000
talk about the light that is within, the sacredness within,

282
00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:13.519
recognizing that that wisdom is potentially more of an eternal wisdom,

283
00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.319
something something that they're able to tap into that becomes

284
00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:21.319
their own wisdom because they've learned to be still. How

285
00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:25.880
important is it for meditation to be able to reach

286
00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.599
that level of stillness within yourself and to start to

287
00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:32.200
tap in to that eternal wisdom.

288
00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:37.480
Well that at different degrees of mediation, right right, I

289
00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.039
think it looks so different for many many people. You know,

290
00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:43.079
you'll have people at the start of the journey where

291
00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:46.640
they can get just a few seconds of actual stillness,

292
00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:51.240
physical stillness, and then ten seconds of mental quiet that's

293
00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:54.720
already a big ween and then you've got more experience

294
00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:57.839
to meditators maybe even on a bad day that you

295
00:18:57.839 --> 00:18:59.920
know they're going to have a lot of that chata

296
00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:05.319
and discomfort, physical discomfort in the body. So it's so

297
00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:10.359
dependent on each person and where you're at on the journey.

298
00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:14.640
I think for me, what really helped and you're probably

299
00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:20.519
familiar with the the passionate silent meditations, and each time

300
00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:23.359
it was an incredible experience for me, but that really

301
00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:28.720
helped me to discern that the mental chatter what's happening

302
00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:35.079
versus the inner voice, and really practicing that stillness of

303
00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:40.880
the witness, the observer, what's happening within me, and then

304
00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:43.720
you know, further further than that, being able to welcome

305
00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:46.880
all of it and not judge it. For oh my god,

306
00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:49.400
that's so much going on in my mind today. Oh

307
00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:51.799
my god, I can't stop thinking, because the goal of

308
00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:55.599
meditation is not that, you know, stopping to think, but

309
00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.000
it's cultivating that, like being a witness of your own thoughts,

310
00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:01.519
some of your own self.

311
00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:04.640
Well, I love the story, you know, as you talked

312
00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:08.279
about Buddhist meditation. I love the story about Buddha and

313
00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:10.400
I don't know how true it is, but it's when

314
00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:14.359
that goes on where some of his followers approached him

315
00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:17.519
and said who are you? Are you? Are you God?

316
00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:20.759
And he goes no, He said, well are you a prophet?

317
00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:21.640
Are you a seer?

318
00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:22.480
No?

319
00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:26.440
Well who are you? And he goes, I am awake?

320
00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:30.680
And I love that because that that is the whole

321
00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:33.119
key to illness is and it is to learn to

322
00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:36.559
be still enough that you're awake. And yes, as you say,

323
00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:38.839
we get a lot of that junk coming in, but

324
00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:41.920
as you're at that point in time where you're able

325
00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:44.960
to just move it away and recognize that that's all

326
00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:49.359
it is is sometimes junk or sometimes inspiration or whatever,

327
00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.680
that stillness is what's allowing us to get there. So,

328
00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:56.440
when you have a client come in and they're all

329
00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:59.720
over the board, how do you help them to achieve

330
00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:01.480
stillness in their life?

331
00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:04.480
Before we connect, they have to fill in a little form,

332
00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.319
which gives me some insight already, has to you know,

333
00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:11.480
what we're working on, what challenging, what challenges they're facing,

334
00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:14.599
if there's any practices that help them. So I have

335
00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:18.880
a bit of an idea. Often as an intuitive I

336
00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:23.400
do get you know, flashes or messages coming through already,

337
00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:27.519
and then when we connect, we decide on what their

338
00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:31.759
intention is for that time together. And as I said,

339
00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:34.640
sometimes it happens at the start to that meditation, sometimes

340
00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:37.960
it's at the end, depending on the state they're coming in,

341
00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:41.119
And sometimes it is at the start to help them

342
00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:44.400
ground and arrive and be present. Sometimes it's at the

343
00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:48.200
end to really reinforce and start to embody the things

344
00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:53.400
we discuss. And it's been sometimes just breathing, mindful breathing.

345
00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:57.000
You know, for those who don't practice meditation, often they

346
00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:00.960
enjoy a bit of guided meditation with that specific focus

347
00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:04.400
and intention in mind. And sometimes it's a bit of journaling.

348
00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:08.839
Sometimes they don't want to be still. I worked, you

349
00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:12.200
know with a woman recently who had ADHD couldn't sit

350
00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:15.319
still on the on the call, and so she was

351
00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:18.400
just walking around and for her writing and journaling was

352
00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:23.680
that way of channeling her thoughts and her presence. So journaling,

353
00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:27.400
I would say, is another very useful tool, you know,

354
00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:32.680
to access your inner voice, your in wisdom and then

355
00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:35.640
sometimes through in practice. So that would be more of

356
00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:40.319
a homework type thing, depending on you know, what the

357
00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:42.799
main thing is coming up for them to work on.

358
00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:46.680
With my knowledge of n your guy and the Meridians

359
00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:49.640
of Chinese medicine, I would probably give them one pose

360
00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:54.960
to practice. Yeah, So that different ways of accessing that

361
00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:59.359
stillness and that in a wisdom, which is beautiful because

362
00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:03.160
it's never up one size for all and that's you know,

363
00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:06.680
part of the process of helping them find what works

364
00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:08.440
best for them well.

365
00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.640
And I love that because as you say, there is

366
00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:15.720
no one best way, you know, for me, it's walking.

367
00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:20.039
And I'll walk you know, two to three kilometers and

368
00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:24.799
even more two to three miles actually, And it's fascinating

369
00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:26.720
to me that as I get into that and I

370
00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:31.279
listen to meditative music, you know, different frequencies and so forth,

371
00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.839
and as I as I allow my mind to go

372
00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:36.759
and yeah, there's a lot of thoughts that come in,

373
00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:39.359
but as they start to breathe and do all of that,

374
00:23:39.799 --> 00:23:42.839
for me, it's walking. And I think it's so important,

375
00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:45.920
as you pointed out that not everyone is the same

376
00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:49.440
and therefore, you know, whether it's writing now for me journaling,

377
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.599
I have a difficult time doing that, but everyone can

378
00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:57.400
find their own way of achieving that stillness. And and

379
00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:59.960
you you hit on another point which I think is

380
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.599
so important, particularly in society today. There's so much anger,

381
00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:09.039
there's so much activity going on that is certainly not

382
00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:12.839
helping the world in any way in a positive way.

383
00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:16.200
And you hit on such an important point that our

384
00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:22.000
behavior reflects that inner level of stillness that we have achieved.

385
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:25.319
And as you look at that and recognize that, you know,

386
00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:28.319
for those that are anger and blah blah blah, all

387
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:33.000
of that they have not achieved. Quite honestly, that stillness,

388
00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:35.960
because when you start to see people who are loving,

389
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:39.839
who are kind, who are empathetic, who are charitable, you

390
00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:43.160
recognize that they have started to achieve that level of

391
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:48.359
stillness and sacredness within, and it's just reflective in their behavior.

392
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:51.720
Very true, and I think that's why you approach people

393
00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:54.119
with a lot of anger, maybe asking them to sit

394
00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:58.960
still in meditation or mindfulness is probably not the best

395
00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:01.000
way that I think that's probably the kind of people

396
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:04.480
who would benefit from walking or you know, fast walking

397
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.680
or running a kind of physical activity that would help

398
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:14.640
the body to shed a lot of that energy and anger.

399
00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:17.359
And then maybe after that, you know, when it starts

400
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:23.920
to descend having more of any kind of introspective practice

401
00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:26.000
that appeals to them.

402
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.799
Do you have any stories that kind of show a

403
00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:33.799
dramatic change within a person that has come to you

404
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.480
for help where they're they're at a certain level and

405
00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:40.519
you have just seen that dramatic change that they've been

406
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.640
able to achieve to where they really have achieved that stillness,

407
00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:46.039
that awareness, that awakeness.

408
00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:51.960
Often in in yoga classes, people who would arrive, you know,

409
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:55.440
at the end of the day while quite angsty from

410
00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:59.680
the day or agitated, or people who rushed to be there,

411
00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:01.920
or they've got, you know, things going on in the

412
00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:08.039
personal life. And after practice that would leave saying, oh God,

413
00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:10.519
like I feel like a different person, you know, Or

414
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:14.759
that was so grounding, or that was so peaceful. You know,

415
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:17.920
your voice was like a lullaby, or it was a

416
00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:21.920
lullaby to guide me to really relax. So with that practice,

417
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:24.680
it was really night and day for a lot of

418
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:28.480
people in one on ones. I think often the change

419
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:34.240
is coming from being able to truly listen mindfully to

420
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.440
what they have to say, because that's another thing, you know,

421
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.240
in our society where we just listen to respond, or

422
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.160
we don't really listen and we interrupt other people we

423
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.720
have to get our point across. There's not a lot

424
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:52.880
of mindful, patient listening going on, and I think people

425
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:57.599
really crave and really need to be heard. And often

426
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:04.480
the talking out of things of blocks of those big

427
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:09.240
dreams they have but don't really allow themselves to express

428
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:14.920
or to even try to reach that. Often after the conversation,

429
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:17.759
I had a woman who finished her she was writing

430
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:20.680
a book. She had a manuscript, you know, on hold

431
00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:25.319
on her bookshelf for several several months and after a

432
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:28.319
conversation and she messaged me two weeks later saying, I

433
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:31.279
finished the manuscript. I'm about to send it. And that

434
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:35.440
was very heartwarming to me to see the impact. But

435
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:40.559
I guess it's the kind of transformation that happens from

436
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:46.799
talking and mindfully listening and opening the heart. I love

437
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:50.960
every single one of them. I see them all as individuals,

438
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:54.279
So I think it's not that level also being seen

439
00:27:54.400 --> 00:28:01.400
and being heard and being accompanied along the way lovingly, compassionately,

440
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:05.000
with great air. I think, you know it's so who

441
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.200
venture things that make the difference.

442
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:09.559
Yeah, And you know you talk about people you make

443
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:11.559
me smile, and you talk about people who go to

444
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.640
work and they're just they're so upset, they're frustrated, that's

445
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.519
all going on. They come to the classing yoga in

446
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.119
the evening, they finally settle down, they go home, they

447
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:24.519
probably get a decent sleep, and then they go back

448
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:28.119
to work and what happens. It's all there again, and

449
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:29.880
then hopefully they can come back to you and you

450
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:32.559
don't get to relax again. How do you help those

451
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:37.200
people to live through that day at work or whatever

452
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:41.400
it happens to be, and rather than constantly going back

453
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:45.279
and forth from stillness. When they do that evening activity

454
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.599
with you versus the rest of the day, they're frustrated,

455
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.720
they're anxious, they're feeling that. How do you help them

456
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.839
to get to the point that, even during the day,

457
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:58.559
when you have all of these things coming at you

458
00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:02.000
in work or in life life in general, to still

459
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.200
reach that point that they're able to reach at the

460
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:07.839
end of your yoga class.

461
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:09.920
Well, I'm hoping. I want to trans I want to

462
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:12.279
transmit to the tools, right. I don't want people to

463
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:15.559
be dependent on me or depending on the class to

464
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:19.400
feel good. So at the start, I always teach a

465
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:24.319
little mindful breathing practice or some kind of somatic practice

466
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:26.559
to help people get into their body or into their

467
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.720
breath or connect. And it's the kind of thing if

468
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:31.480
you're at work, you can go and hide in the

469
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:34.200
bathroom for a minute and do the practice. You can

470
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.440
even do it at your desk. You know, three five long, slow,

471
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:42.680
mindful breathing, one hand on your belly, feeling that movement

472
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:44.680
of the breath in the body. And that's already a

473
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:49.880
great way to calm down, to bring your attention back

474
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.400
to the here and now and The other thing is

475
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:58.000
I organize forest journeys of forest bathing, and that's another

476
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:01.400
thing that you know, people I feel like really craving

477
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.799
nature and really need to go back to nature. And

478
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.559
you know, even if I guide the walk and the

479
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.920
mindful practices that we do, I always say, it's not me,

480
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:14.880
it's the forest. So it's just this thing of being

481
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.839
in a different environment, but particularly in nature, and it's

482
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:23.519
for people to give to themselves that moment to pause.

483
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:26.960
I think with yoga, people, you know who start yoga,

484
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.880
if they commit to coming twice a week, if they

485
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:32.880
have to skip a class one day, they are going

486
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:35.480
to feel it and they will tell you so they say,

487
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:38.359
oh my god, you know, I really felt the difference.

488
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:43.440
And I think it's once they start experiencing that change,

489
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:47.240
the positive change and that feeling that yoga brings them,

490
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:49.880
or that the walk in the forest bring them, then

491
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.599
they are able on themselves to be more committed to

492
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:58.559
it and to find ways of bringing that into their life.

493
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:02.599
It's interesting how important nature is. Isn't it to be

494
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.400
a important to be able to get out? I know

495
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:08.880
on my walks, I found a really cool way to

496
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:12.079
walk around even though there's no mountains, and I love mountains.

497
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:15.680
You know, my place in Utah, I'm right in the

498
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.240
middle of mountain beautiful. Yeah, but it was the last.

499
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:23.200
Month it's sunnying. I loved it, isn't it gorgeous? Beautiful?

500
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.839
So here there's no mountains, and yet as I've walked,

501
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.920
finally found a place where there's this beautiful I would

502
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.559
say it's a lake. It's really a huge, huge pond

503
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.720
that they used for water for the area. But as

504
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.319
I've as I've found that as I walk and then

505
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:42.200
as I stop, and that's one of the things I've learned,

506
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:46.720
is to stop and to appreciate that nature, to appreciate

507
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:50.960
the greenness of the rice fields, or to appreciate the

508
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:54.920
water and the reflection of the clouds in the sun

509
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.400
in the water. And when I stop and do that,

510
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:03.319
it's such an amazing feeling. And you know, how do

511
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:07.880
you help people to achieve that point of they're able

512
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.119
to actually recognize that they need to stop. You know,

513
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:13.759
it's constantly to go, go, go, go go, But when

514
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:18.519
do you stop and just look around and appreciate the

515
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:21.519
nature and the creation that is around you.

516
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.759
Well, the first step is to you know, getting them

517
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:28.400
onto that journey, getting them to say yes to the

518
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:32.440
first steps so they can actually come and experience it.

519
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:34.519
Because we can talk. There's a lot of research on

520
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:36.920
forest bathing and the benefits, and you need to be

521
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:42.240
in nature two hours every week, you know, for maximum benefits.

522
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:45.240
So you can tell these things to people, but then

523
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:48.720
you'll stay at that cognitive level. It's really getting people

524
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:53.039
onto their journey to try it out for themselves. And

525
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:56.240
then as I said, it's not really me, it's the

526
00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:00.079
forest or it's the practice, but I think it's that

527
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:02.960
level of again, like you know in the one on

528
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:07.200
one conversation, it's that level of presence and holding the

529
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:13.079
group and yet seeing every person as an individual with

530
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:18.079
their own thing that they're bringing to the walk. And

531
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:21.279
even with the forest journeys, you know, you don't, I

532
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.240
know that it's pretty difficult for a lot of people

533
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:25.720
to get to a forest or to get to a beach.

534
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.039
But it's things you can do that practices you can

535
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.759
do in a park, maybe in your suburb or where

536
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:34.920
you leave. There are little pockets of nature that you

537
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.920
can find. And I believe a bit like you know,

538
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.680
the stillness we were talking about earlier, that's a bit

539
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:46.079
of an addictive thing that once you start feeling like

540
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.279
you in the right field, right, like you know that

541
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:53.119
feeling you need to go every day or you or regularly.

542
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:56.640
And I think people once they feel it, they know

543
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.880
they need it. And then I think it's working on

544
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.519
the mindset of Okay, I know this is good for me.

545
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.039
I know I need it. They're going to come up

546
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:09.159
with a lot of reasons not to be able to.

547
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:12.239
You know, got a lot of work, it's a long drive.

548
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:16.199
I can't have that amount of free time every week

549
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.199
to do it. So it's finding ways that they can

550
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.719
bring those things into the daily life. It can be

551
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:29.000
incorporated as opposed to be added onto that to do list.

552
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.880
Well, and you know you talked about losing your mom

553
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:36.719
at eighteen and how for you that grief became a

554
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:41.400
portal to a soulful life. And so many times when

555
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:46.440
people experience that type of loss, they rather than finding

556
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:50.559
it as a portal to something deeper, it becomes they

557
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:54.679
become a victim of this has happened, and how could

558
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:57.039
this happen? How could God let this happen? Or whatever

559
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:00.000
it is. In a very brief moment, how do you

560
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.320
brief time, how do you help them to move into

561
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.800
that portal to guide them in the soulful. I mean,

562
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.480
if they've experienced some type of loss in their life.

563
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:15.320
It's a delicate area, isn't it. Because it's grief. It's

564
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.880
such a personal thing and people experience it in so

565
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:24.239
many different ways, and it takes very different lengths of

566
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:28.199
time for all of us to move through it. It's

567
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:33.159
finding I think, different way talking it out, finding different ways,

568
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:38.039
helping people reframe, and this might be a bit challenging,

569
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:43.800
but helping people see the positive in the challenge. So

570
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:47.159
I guess that can be a bit controversial when you say,

571
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:50.159
you know what, God let that happen? This is what

572
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:52.559
the kind of questions that I asked myself, and I

573
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:55.440
became very angry. I was raised Christian as well, and

574
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:58.599
I was very angry with God at that time that

575
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:02.679
I didn't understand why she was a good person. Why

576
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:06.079
would you take her and not another criminal or someone

577
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.519
who does bad deeds on earth. So there's a lot

578
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:13.719
of those questions and thoughts that go through the mind

579
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:17.760
of people, you know, experiencing grief and they do need

580
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.880
a place or whether it's the journaling, whether it's speaking

581
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.800
about it in a group setting, whether it's speaking about

582
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:28.440
it one on one, whether it's those walks or time

583
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:31.239
spent in nature. We're talking about God, right, and I

584
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:34.599
feel like God is an expression or you can see

585
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:38.119
an expression of God through nature, and it's it holds you.

586
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.800
There's something really sacred and beautiful that is God like

587
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.599
in nature. So again, I think it's guiding them to

588
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:53.280
explore different ways, different strategies, and also giving them the

589
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:56.199
freedom to move through it in their own time because

590
00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:59.079
it's something that really can't be on a schedule. So

591
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:04.679
having conversation opening doors, you know, opening perceptions, opening what

592
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:10.280
if and maybe you know, dropping seeds that might bloom

593
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:14.679
in their own time for them to receive them fully.

594
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:17.320
Yeah, and you know what comes to my mind is

595
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:20.480
why did God allow your mom to die? Be guess what.

596
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.519
Look at where you are right now, look at what

597
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:28.400
you're doing, and look at the value and the difference

598
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:32.280
that you're making in people's lives. Because that was the

599
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:37.760
beginning of entering that portal to selful living. And it's

600
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:41.920
interesting that if we look back at those situations, if again,

601
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.639
if we allow us to move forward in a positive

602
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:47.559
way rather than a victimhood. All of a sudden we

603
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.000
find those experiences that are so terrible and so difficult,

604
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.519
all of a sudden give us a guidance of strength,

605
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.480
a direct that we would have never expected. And yet

606
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:01.679
all of a sudden we find ourselves now making a

607
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:05.800
difference in other people's lives. And absolutely so I have

608
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:09.199
to say that as I've read some of your poems

609
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:14.079
and you have been such an inspiration, I can't tell

610
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.280
you you know, as I did that, it was like, wow,

611
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.159
I am so inspired. I'm so looking forward to getting

612
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:24.760
you all nice and and so I just want people

613
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:29.239
to know, you know, these poems and this that the

614
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:31.760
you know, the things that you have put into these

615
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:35.679
poems and in your book are so inspiring and I

616
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:39.639
would just encourage people to really get hold of that

617
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:44.639
and to seek that inspiration which you have offered the people.

618
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:46.239
How do people find you?

619
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:51.920
So you can find me on my website www dot

620
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:58.000
nadeeslaw dot com. You can get the book on Amazon,

621
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:03.320
book Toopia, Yuah, Barts and Nobles. There's a few online

622
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:05.880
retailers if you are in Melbourne, there are a few

623
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:10.039
shops stocking it. And then when I do one on one.

624
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:14.440
When I do group events around here, I always have

625
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:19.159
a few copies as well. But get online around here?

626
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:21.960
And do you do you work with people worldwide? Are

627
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:23.559
you strictly in Australia.

628
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:26.159
Then I do a lot of mentoring online. I actually

629
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:29.840
have a lot of people from the US connecting that

630
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.920
I've got. I've got people based in Germany, in Germany,

631
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:39.639
the UK, Australia. Yeah, so everything mentoring can be online.

632
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:43.199
I do offer some journaling circle Verina and then online

633
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:48.119
as well as in person. Yeah, and sometimes it's a

634
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:52.280
bit imprompture gathering, showing up a bit of a you know,

635
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:58.320
poetry reading and writing. I'm working on a six week

636
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:02.039
course that will probably come out next year about the

637
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:06.599
voice expression, so going within but then that step of

638
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:13.480
verbalizing it through poetry, writing or movement or you know, painting.

639
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:17.440
I've got a lot of creative and sensitive women, highly

640
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:23.920
emotionally intelligent people, but often yeah, very creative, very different medium.

641
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.079
So yes, that's the exciting thing on the horizon.

642
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.719
So as a final message, what would that be to

643
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:32.840
the audience.

644
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:38.400
I would like to tell everybody listening that if you're

645
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.920
feeling a little inkling to try something new, to go

646
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.800
for it. You have to. We have a limited amount

647
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:48.679
of time on this planet. We are here for a reason.

648
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:52.679
There's one in five hundred billion chances to be born.

649
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:57.000
So if your heart is talking to you, listen and

650
00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.440
make it happen. That's what you're meant to be doing.

651
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.440
Thank you so much. That is just wonderful and I

652
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.719
appreciate you being on the show. Folks, Thanks for listening.

653
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:11.039
I hope you've enjoyed this, and again I can't encourage

654
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.880
you enough to go get that book of poems and

655
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:17.599
really appreciate what's being said there. So anyway to look

656
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:19.920
forward to having you join us again soon. This is

657
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.239
doctor Doug saying, honest.

658
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:26.000
Day, thank you Doug for the conversation. I really enjoyed it. Thanks,

659
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:34.159
thank you,