“If I Die Before I Wake

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0:45 And today I'm really excited to have a gentleman on the show that has actually done some amazing things Jonathan England, and he's actually, at this point in time, gone through his own personal five apps, written a book If I Die Before Awake, and talking about how we can literally be awake in this life. And then he's actually developed and created some villages where people have reached a level of awareness and understanding where they are just thriving. And so it's going to be a really interesting interview to listen to the five steps that he wrote about because he experienced it, and to see how he achieved the level that he's achieved, and how we can all achieve that higher level of awareness and kindness and love and joy and happiness and all of those things that literally we can become if we choose to. So please stay and listen to the show. I hope you enjoy it and look forward to having you really join us with this show. At the end of the day, it's not about what you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up, who you've made better.

2:05 It's about what you've given back. Denzel Washington, welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to do the same. Jonathan, Welcome to the show. How are you doing. I'm doing great, Doctor Doug, thanks for having me on. Yeah, and I'm excited. You know you were telling me before. Let the audience know where you actually living right now. I'm in Costa Rica on the South Pacific side coast to Dominical and that's go ahead, keep going. A place called Platinio de Berus where the little area is called Wow. That is fantastic. You know, it's amazing what we can do with zoom now, isn't it. Yeah. The world has just really become much smaller because of the ability to communicate and so forth. So you've written a book and we're going to talk about that called If I Die Before I Wake. And you know, you've got a journey that I'm sure that you have been on in order to get to the point that you had inspired to write map book.

3:09 So let's talk a little bit about what your person journey has done. Yeah, and so yeah, that's actually what my book is. There's three parts to it. There's the Path, the proof, and the process. The path is the roadmap, which are these five levels of consciousness or five states of conscious orientation, five ways to perceive reality. The part two is the proof, which is my journey through those five steps, my journey through the roadmap. And part three is called the process, which is the basically the tools that I gathered along the way. I say that there's only one way to learn, it's through failure, but the caveat is it doesn't have to be your failure. You can learn through someone else's So you'll get here's what not to do, and here's the recipe that actually works. Don't add any of this stuff, only do this, and then this is how you can transcend each of the levels. What what brought you to this point? I mean, what what was your life journey that actually got you inspired to write the book? Yeah, so there was a shift in each moment along the way, Like how I really got deep into level one, which Level one is called disoriented, which is meaning you have no direction you do, You're just kind of like a pinball getting bounced around. It's the it's the victim mentality mindset, which is where ninety percent of humanity actually is um. But what really drove me into that, I mean, it's social conditioning. It's we're indoctrinated, domesticated to be exist in level one. Uh, because then we're, you know, we're slaves to the system as long as as long

4:42 as we don't as long as we perceive ourselves as victims and we're either at war with something or just feel hopeless to it, then we completely be played. But so there's all the indoctrination from every angle coming at us as we grow up in what I call the old world. But uh specific, basically, when I really went down deep into that in the darkness was when I was twelve years old. My brother was sixteen. He died of muscular Distropheat now I knew he was going to It was a terminal disease that he'd had his whole life, but it's still was just it was a lot. When I'm a twelve year old kid, I was the one in the room. My mom sent me in there and said, hey, go let him know that it's okay to die. He's suffering, he's in a lot of pain, and he just needs to know that it's okay to die because he's only holding on for us. So I was this kid, and I was a highly trained hero. It was like my job to you know, I was responsible for my family's feelings. And so here I was, I'm going in there and I go tell my brother his Matthew, it's it's okay to die.

5:46 And now, underneath that robotic words that I spoke because I was supposed to my Iron Man costume, my Iron Man costume said it. But the little kid that was behind that to him was in pain. But I didn't even allow myself to feel that because if I did, then I wouldn't be the hero. I wouldn't be I wouldn't be doing what a good son would have done. So I completely numbed out and walled off all of my emotions in that moment. I had to in order to say that without lying. I mean, I was still lying, but but but but I had to. I had to lie to myself first, so I wouldn't be lying to him, you know. And it was all unconscious. I didn't know this was happening. But right, Well, and you make an interesting point, you know when you say there's this huge percentage of people that are living in the victim mode? What does that look like? Number one? And how do you think that that's happened in this world? And why do you think it's such a big number, Because people are going to listen to this.

6:43 You go, I'm no victim. Well, the I always say, the degree in which you're awake is the degree in which you take responsibility for your reality. So if you're one hundred percent responsible for every aspect of everything that's going on in your reality, then you're one hundred percent awake. If you're how much are you blaming someone or something for something that you're experiencing. Most people are spending most of their time pointing the finger. It's well, it's it's Donald Trump's fault or Joe Biden's fault. There, it's the pandemic, the virus fault, it's the something. It's somebody's fault for something. It's my children's fault, that, it's my parents fault, it's all it's somebody's fault. So the degree in which you're doing that you're blaming, uh, is the degree in which you're completely asleep. And so how this happened is because we all bit The fruit was the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. Basically, the it's the fruit of the knowledge of good of not enough because all there what is is infinite abundance. All there is is love.

7:44 But we we leave what's real in the pursuit of what appears to be what you believe to be true. It is true for you, even if it's a lie. So we've been into a lie, and then we made the lie more real than real. And the lie was I'm not enough and I've got to figure out how to become enough. So what we do is we trade in our purpose, We trade in our true identity, for approval, for significance, for safety, for security, for whatever it is that we think is going to make us feel better because we don't feel like we're enough it. You know, it really hits hard. Some Usually somewhere between four and seven is when the person all of a sudden stops being themselves. They're like, they're innocent child, heart wide open, and then somebody says something, somebody does something, and they're like, oh, it's not okay to be me. I've got to figure out who I'm supposed to be so that I can be loved. And then we build this egoic identity and don't even realize that we did it because the whole society his program doesn't do.

8:39 I mean, the entire educational system was specifically set up in order to train people to be cogs in the machine, to be factory workers. That's literally the whole purpose for it was to train people to be factory workers. That's what it was created for, which I mean, yeah, it's it's interesting. I am. I was just at another meeting and I was talking about learning styles and for people who have children that are in school or their homeschooling, and talking about the fact that people don't realize that we're only taught one way in school. There is only one way to teach in school for the most part, and oftentimes a huge percentage of the kids that are sitting in that classroom, that's not their learning style, that's not how they like to learn. So I find it fascinating that you talk about the fact that it does happen in our childhood and where we're not good enough. I've been doing a lot. I love to study religions, and one of them might just have been recently studying as Buddhism. And as interesting as he talks about the fact that we all are suffering, and when he says that it's not necessarily that we're physically suffering, but that we're craving something or we desire something that we're not getting, and when that happens, that causes a suffering. And in my mind, as you just brought this up, that really let's listen to that victim doesn't. Yeah, And as Harriet Tubman said, she's been given credit for, I've also heard people say that she didn't actually say this, but it says she said a freed to thousand slaves. I could have

10:11 freed to thousand more if only they knew they were slaves. So we're like even, we're like two steps removed from the truth. It doesn't say your truth will set you free. It says the truth will set you free. But there's the truth, there's reality, and then there's your truth that's divorced from reality because you can't face reality. People are so terrified to look reality in the face because they've assigned a meaning to a moment. Like maybe you're five years old, you're this is not this is probably this is most people's example of how it starts is more traumatic than this. But let's just use this as an example. Five year old kid goes and says, hey, Dad, can we put go throught some baseball? And Dad says, no, I'm busy, leave me alone, And the little five year old kids like, h well, what's wrong with me? Like I just made dad angry at him, so I'm so sorry. And then he's like, now, if there's traumatic response, I've got to be something different than just being a kid that just wants to hang out with his dad. Now, what the little kid doesn't understand is that dad was, you know, working seventy hours a week, given everything that he could to give his family the life that he never had, and then he's got his wife just nagged at him, Hey, how come you don't spend any time with me? How come you don't talk to me? He's like, Dude, I spend seventy hours a week working my tail off. I don't have another breath an ounce of I just I just need to rest. So little kid can't understand that.

11:35 So he made a meaning to that moment, which the meaning was, Oh God, Dad doesn't love me. Which if Dad doesn't love me, then that must if he can't doesn't let me, then who can? Then it must mean I'm not enough. So I've got to figure out how to become enough. So again we leave what's real in the pursuit of what appears to be. We bought into a lie and then made the lie more real than real. The truth is, you are enough, You always have been, you always will be. There's nothing you can't get any more perfect than you are already created is. But we create an illusory self and start trying to manufacture it so we can be in control of love. But you can't control love because love is all there is. How could you can control all there is. You can only control what isn't And so the only thing we're in control of is our smallness. So we create these small selves that we are.

12:16 It's like a little puppet, but we identified with the puppet. So we can try to protect ourselves from getting hurt by the meaning that we that we assigned to the moment, That the moment didn't hurt us, the meaning we assigned to it hurt us well. And I think it's really important that you talk about this reality versus perception. And everyone has a different perception of life. You know, it's the old story of there's four people at an intersection and there's a crash, and when they're getting an interview by the authorities, everybody has a different story about what happened, and yet they were all there because their perception was different based on whatever that happens to be. So when you when you talk about, you know, a child, here's something said to them. Their perception is what creates that emotion for them. And it's interesting that perception is not necessarily quote reality, you know, it is there a universal reality that actually exists? And do most of us find that our perception in some way is not necessarily aligned with that reality. Yeah, the feeling that someone is experiencing side of himself is the interaction of their perception, which whatever they perception they formed, how is interacting reality with reality.

13:37 It's not the moment itself that that creates any sort of feeling inside of somebody is the meaning they assigned to the moment. And so one of the most I guess destructive. You could say things that we do learn in school. Uh, and it's it's as it's destructive, but everything washes out in the end as you as you get the lessons through it, you go through it. It serves a purpose. It served a purpose for us to go to sleep. We were supposed to go to sleep. We were supposed to figure out what love isn't so we could actually turn around and really know what love is because we are love. But how could we know who we are if all we are as us and all there is is us? So we had to learn what love isn't, which what love isn't isn't it doesn't exist.

14:18 So we had to step into an illusory world so that we could actually experience what is. But the thing that we learned it's destructive, but actually served its purpose to getting us to fall asleep was that the answers are more important than the question. That's what we were taught in school that you you need to regurgitate the answer exactly the what you're told. If you can regurgitate it the way that you're told, then you get an A. But if you cannot say the same thing the same way that it was said, then you get an F. You're failure, you're worthless. So it's all about cleaning the outside of the cup, leaving the inside and dirty. But see, the questions are the answer, and it's like living inside of the question, like really great question, like really crappy questions create really crappy reality for you, like a question like why am I so stupid? Why doesn't anybody love me? I mean, you're presupposing nobody loves you, And so now you're living in that reality even when somebody's like shaking you, hey, I love you. You you you can't believe it because you're detached from reality. Because our greatest gift is that we're always right, and our greatest curses that we're always right. Questions, what are you right about something that's true? Or lie? And so we perceive these these realities based on lies, and then it separate ourselves like it's our own world. We're living inside of our literally living in our own world, detached from the truth of our oneness Withal and the truth that loves the only thing that Yeah, IMA's where you found yourself in that first step as a victim, because for you, it was you

15:52 needed to. You needed to say these things, even though that's not something you necessarily it wasn't real. Yeah, I had to. I created a false reality. But it was two steps removed, right because like my brother actually told me the truth his last words. So I said that I told him a lie. Well, it was the truth. So I actually told him the truth that it's okay to die. That's the truth, except for I was two steps removed from the truth because there's reality. It's not okay that you're dying right now. It does not feel good inside of me. And the truth is, hey, he's supposed to be dying right now. How do I know? Because he died. To argue, what happened is insane, So he was supposed to die. How do I know? Because he died, So the truth is it's okay. But I was two steps removed because I wouldn't let myself feel that it's not okay, and then I had to put on a mask that it is. And so it was like it was like a reflection of the sun. There's no It's like looking at the moon and I'm calling it the sun, but there's no heat there.

16:56 There's there's just a reflection of the light. And so, but this is a perfect example for what I'm talking about. I assigned a meaning to the moment. I told my brother it's okay to die, which is the truth. But when I was saying it, I wasn't connected to the truth. I was detached from reality of the pain inside of myself. I said it's okay to die, but he what he said back to me was the truth, and he was connected to it when he said it. Now I heard the words, but I had no clue what he meant because I was so I was detached from reality. I was living in my own world. But I assigned a meaning to that moment. Three meanings. One that that life is meaningless, because how could there be any meaning to it? If my brother was only sixteen years old, he was stuck in a wheelchair most of his life and then he dies, there can't be any meaning to life.

17:48 Two that there is no god, because if there's a god, then either I did something wrong or he's wrong, and you know one of those two they something doesn't work either either scenario, it doesn't work for me, So there can't be a god. And then the third thing was that I failed love because it's like subconsciously I thought it was my job to save my brother because my family fell apart when I was five years old. My parents got divorced because they just couldn't. Life was already enough, hard enough, and then they had a son that's going to die and it's like too much for parents to have to look at that, and so they got divorced. And I'm like subconsciously thinking, if I could just save my brother, I can save my family. And now my whole, my whole identity was gone in that moment, and so I went into a spiral of just oblivion. I became a brokagnorant, blackout, drunk, atheist, beach bum. So what were the words that he said to you? So the words that he said was, John, I'm not dying, I'm waking up. He said, this world is he's sixteen years old. He said, this world is just a dream. He said, I've been stuck in a wheelchair my whole life.

18:57 He had these pictures of these adults above his bed. He just loved dolphins because they could play. They could just jump out of the water. He couldn't jump. He had never jumped his whole life. So he says, I'm not dying. I'm waking up. This body, this whole thing is just a dream, and I'm waking up and I'm gonna be free. I'm gonna be able to run and play like a little child in heaven. And that was the truth. Oh yeah, because I was thinking that. I was thinking I was this body, But how could I possibly be this body? If I'm this body? What happens when the body goes away? I go away? But that's what I thought happened to him. But we're you know, when the awakening happens, you realize you're not a human being having a spiritual experience. You're a spiritual being having a human experience. You're You're not a time. You're a child of eternity that's hanging out in time.

19:42 And I love that because most of us don't understand that, Yeah, this lifetime is just a brief moment in the eternities of our lives, and as you say, the mortal aspect of it is just something very different. But when you when you think about man and and my question to you is with writing this book and with going through those five steps and we'll go on to the next one in just a minute, is it your goal to help people to get to the point where they are living life in this life and loving life in this life and waking up in this life so they actually truly experience a life of joy and happiness and love and freedom and adventure. Yeah.

20:36 Well, that's that's the fruit of the book. If you I don't specifically have a goal for it, because when you get to level five. But you'll understand why I don't specifically have a goal for it. Um, but because it was written through me. It just came. It came through. But but the fruit of it, if you get what it says, the fruit what you'll what you'll receive is heaven on earth. And that is possible. That is definitely possible. Let's go to stub number two. So, um, there I was. Now I made the decision. I signed a meaning to a moment at twelve years old, life is meaningless. There's no God. I failed love with those belief systems. Now I formed a new identity of and I became a broke, ignorant, blackout, drunk, atheist, beach bum because someone who failed above is worthless. Uh you know, I don't like I don't even matter, and so I acted accordingly.

21:27 I acted accordingly to the belief the identity of someone who doesn't matter. And I always talk about when it's time to get a lesson in life, it starts out as a feather stroke. If you don't get the feather stroke, it comes as a nudge. If you don't get the nudge, then it's the shove. If you don't get the nudge, then it's the cosmic two by four with the spikes in it that wipes your life out from underneath you. So I'm an all in kind of guy, which also equates to stubborn. And it takes a little while to get some lessons because I'm gone. I'm gone all the way. Like I was. I was a literally blackout drunk six nights a week for like a decade, like not just drunk, blackout drunk, why because I'm all in right, going all the way, and so I had to get a few feather strokes, nudges, shoves, two about fours. On January first, at twelve fifteen, fifteen minutes after New Year's I got at ui and you know that should have been something, Hey, John, maybe you get on a new path now, But nope, that didn't work for me. All kinds of other crazy stuff. But then August twenty fourth of that same year, I rented a start a car to stoplight. Didn't even know that I was driving. I'm like, I came to I'm like, what just happened? And I'm like, oh crap, I'm driving right now. And I just rented a car and I put my truck in reverse and tried to take off, but there's a cop sitting at the stoplight, and they caught me about it half a mile down the road at Walmart and put and took me to jail. And sitting in jail,

22:57 I started thinking it now, I can't run, Now, I can't hide. Now I can't numb, because that's what I was using alcohol for, was to numb all that I was trying to keep, all that pain that's been packed in that I packed in that moment when I'm not allowed to feel anything like it's it's it's I tried to bubble up, but it's like my mind was just always running wild to just keep me from feeling and what the only way I could get a reprieve from my mind was to be blackout drunk. So now I can't run, I can't hide, I can't numb, and I'm sitting there with me and me, you know, And I started talking to myself and I hear a voice saying, John, you could have killed somebody. I'm like, yeah, I know, I know, I'm already beating myself up and up. But you could have killed somebody.

23:38 I'm like, yes, I know, but now luckily nobody got hurt, but they could have. And the voice just kept saying, you could have killed somebody, John, And then suddenly something snapped. It was like, wait a minute, I could have killed somebody. Wait, I think I hear what you're saying now. And it's like this little this little light appeared in the in the darkness, and it showed up as an idea and that it was a thought, and it was that John, you could have killed somebody. Yes, I yes, I know the listen. That means one of your actions could hurt someone. Yes, I'm like, yes, Well, if one of your actions could hurt somebody, what could another one of your actions do? Like, what could help somebody? So, if your actions could hurt somebody or help somebody, that means your actions actually matter. Correct, I'm like, yes, So, if your actions matter, John, then that means you matter like well, I guess so. And if you matter, John, then maybe life matters and maybe life isn't meaningless like whoa And so suddenly, in that moment, I said, I made a new decision. As Tony Robbins says, all change, it's in the moment of decision that your destiny is shaped, and it's and it's all change happens in an instant, and it's the instant that you make a new decision.

24:47 In one moment, when I was twelve years old, I made a decision, My life went into purer hell. And in another moment, when I'm sitting in jail in the darkness, another another decision. And I said, from this moment forward, every one of my decisions will help people. Not never again, will I take an action, will I make a decision that that hurts anyone. It's only ever going to help people, and boom, I entered in a level two that moment. Now there's still the physical menimstation, all the actions that have to come from the new decision, but it was already done once the decision was made, right right, good? So last level two is is level two then making a decision, yes, yes, it's well, it's not necessarily do good. That was just my decision at that moment. But the decision is, uh, it's because level one is called disoriented. You've got no orientation, no direction too, it's called goal oriented. This is where you've got a direction, direction. This is where you've got a destination. This is where you you you've got hope.

25:47 You're like, all I gotta do is get there now. This is this is the collective consciousness. Like the majority of people are actually in level one, but their goal is level two. They think that's the end of the game success. If I can just achieve the goals, so I can get this house, I can get the spouse, if I can get the bank account of whatever the things are that we were programmed to believe was gonna make us happy. That's what Level two is all about getting all those things. But you know, you got people like Robin Williams, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Elvis Presley. They got it. They won the game of level two. They set the goals and they got They got the whole world to love them except for one person. They couldn't get themselves to love themselves because Level two it's it's a it's a misdirection. It's still going you're because you're still thinking it's out there. And so when I did Level two, my um my goal is like I'm gonna build a family and I'm gonna make them happy. Like now, I didn't know how naive that goal was. Back then. I didn't know that you that you couldn't make someone happy. I literally thought that I could. I could make a family. I could build a family and make them happy. And uh, I thought that was possible, And I thought that was the I thought that was the goal, was to make other people happy. And so I became there's a successful. I'd started with real estate investing. I found a mentor who has who taught me real estate investing. I mean I had to sign up first course. It was ten grand that I didn't have, and I had to come up with that money. But I found the money. I'd signed up for the course, and I became very successful within my first eighteen months, started with no

27:19 money, no credit, no clue. I'd made four hundred thousand dollars. Within two years, I built a multimillion dollar empire. And so now I'm super successful. I'm making all this money I got by the big house. I got my I got a girlfriend, she's got some she got twin boys, and I got my mom in the house. And like, I'm doing everything right, yet everyone's getting more and more miserable. And like, I'm doing it all right. I'm getting nobody has to work, We're all on vacations all the time. Everybody's got everything they want. Why are you all miserable? My job is to make you happy, and you're not happy, which means I'm a failure. And so I just kept trying harder and harder and harder and now and I started doing all the personal development. You know, I've now at this point having like back then it was about three hundred thousand dollars I had invested in personal development in this little journey in level two, because I learned, Okay, how did I make a lot of money?

28:15 Well, I got I found a recipe. I found somebody who had made a lot of money and said, hey, how do you do that? And I paid for the recipe. So I got addicted to personal development to try to figure out how to fix this. But the harder I tried, the worse it got. And it got all the way to the point where my mom's on hospice. The hospice nurses looked me right in the eyes that she's gonna be done in two weeks. Prepare like, what, my mom's dying, No, it's can't. And my girlfriend's taking twenty oxs you got in today her boys are punching each other in the face, punching holes in the wall, and they're on drugs. I'm like, I'm doing everything right, and there is I had one last last ditch effort. I my girlfriend's brother. She raised her brothers because she didn't have a dad and her mom was an alcoholic, so she had younger brothers. She raised them, but they both got addicted to drugs and one of them called and says, hey, John, I just got out of jail. I was I was hooked on crack. I was stealing stuff so that I could buy crack, and I went to jail for that. But I'm off of crack now I'm out of jail, but I've burnt on my bridges. Can you can you just help me out? And I'm like, everything's going to complete crap in my whole life. But I'm like, well, this is my last shot right here. What if I can just fix her brother? If I could do this, because now I got all the tools from Tony Robbins and all this stuff, the personal development, I bet I can fix him and then that will make her happy, that will make my girlfriend happy. That'll do

29:47 it. So but done, I put my hero cape on one last time and move him into the house in the midst of everything going to complete crap. And then within a couple of weeks, he stole my credit card, charged up houses of dollars, stole all my tools for rehabbing houses, and stole my truck. And I'm like, why my mom's dying. Like I'm like, you've gotta be kidding me. I give up. I give up, and I laid down my head and for the first time in my life, I said I failed. I'm a failure. I was the it didn't over till I win kind of guy. But this time I said I failed. I'm a failing because I'd given everything. There was nothing left in me, so I had to admit defeat. But the moment that I laid down my head and said I failed, I'm a failure, It's like instantly this weight lifts off my shoulders and I was like, it's like this phoenix emerges from a fire, and I'm like, what just happened? And what happened in that moment is everything that I thought I was supposed to be died.

30:44 I couldn't be it. So I was I was like, well, if I'm not that, what am I? Who am I? And suddenly I was free? And that was when I entered into level three, which is called journey oriented. Were you actually make it a present moment? Wow? Wow? Fascinating? Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, that's fascinating. So you're there in that journey moment where you're really what discovering who you really are and who you can really become? Or well what pretty much the journey Molana, Well, so what happened? It was it was like an instantaneous like suddenly I knew who I wasn't and because I've been so hyper focused on who I was supposed to be the goal, like all I gotta do is this and then I'll make them happen. But suddenly that whole thing was gone and I didn't have to be anybody. See, we were so trained, like again through the educational system, through all of our domestication and doctor nature process, that we're not love for who we are, We're loved for what we do. And that's all of us have been trained at. You're not love for who you are, your love for what you do. As long as you do enough, then you'll be enough. And so I was doing my way into worthiness. We're trying to learn and earn our way into heaven.

31:56 But you can't wait. So I've said it multiple times. Ready we leave what is real in the pursuit of what appears to be. You're already there, you just can't see it because what you believe to be true it's true for you, even if it's a lie. And so you can believe a lie and make it more real than real and block yourself from perceiving reality seeing the truth that everything is perfect. We're all one and love is the only thing that exists. So what happened is that my egoic identity that was the perceived separation from God from love. It just the cage just fell apart, and suddenly I merged with everything for all of eternity. It was like there was no longer There's no longer a box I was in. I literally like I went through experience like lifetimes all at the same time. I was like perceiving reality, like just shooting in from different perspectives. I'm like, I'm like thousands of years ago, I'm looking through somebody's eyes, and then suddenly I'm five hundred years in the future and I'm like and it was just literally all of eternity. I could see from every perspective and it's just like I was no longer in a box, and I emerged in to the oneness and I emerge in the formless love. That's what Level three was all about, okay, and then moving into level four was all about. So then what happens now Most people will never make it. Most people never make it pass level one, and then if they do, there rare few that actually really start to be very successful Level two. They if they if they actually do feel like succeed in level two. They they can't let it go. They

33:31 don't because they got one. But the thing is, what works for you in the previous level is the exact opposite, Like it's going to imprison you in the in the next one. So in level h in level two, you needed the clarity, you needed the focus, you need to this this no matter what. But level three, you've got to release your attachment to outcome. That's the thing that saved you from level one was your attachment to outcome the goal no matter what. But that's the thing that's going to imprison you in level three is you got to release at all I no matter what, Everything's okay. And so I got to this place. I became very spiritual. You know, I just I was no, I was formless love, I was no longer. I didn't care about the body anymore. I you know, I just was just you know, I wound up going for millions of dollars and a whole bunch of houses to homeless again, Like literally, I got no money, no car, and I'm just I remember just like walking around looking at the trees and just I'm just happy. But no, for no reason, I just am. And so what happened next with me is then I started to get moved back into this perspective from the from the separate self perspective, but I continue to carry the awareness of the oneness.

34:53 But I'm still I'm back in the body looking from the limited perspective, and I'm starting to become aware of the body again, like okay, it's like I'm in this body right now. But what I started to look around, and I'm seeing all these people that are trapped inside of the cage that I just got out of. Now I realize it's a self imposed prison the handles on the inside, but they don't know that. So level four is called value oriented. Now I've got everything that I've ever been looking for. It's all I realized that it was in me the whole time. But so now level four is basically you start you start unlocking cages or at least showing people where the handle is. And so it's just you're just now waking others up. But it's just who you are. You're not doing it for any specific reason. You're not doing it to try to get anything. Because so level one is called disordented. Level two is called goal oriented. Level three is called journey oriented. Level four is called value oriented. So you're just here to provide value. There's nothing to get because you're holding complete already.

35:50 There's no there's nothing missing in you. So you just start overflowing like a fountain. And and it's like, well, that's got to be the end of the game, right, you'd think that's got level four. It's got to be it, because what better could there be? And so, uh, the next one's level five, and it's called soul oriented, and level five is it's not my will, but thine be done? And how what happens in this is the problem of level four is you can't see the picture when you're inside of it. An example would be like let's say you're this is you know, just example. It's you know, probably not a real example, but imagine you see somebody over on the side of a cliff and you're like, ohoh, well, let me go help this person. Looks like they're falling, and you go over there and pull them and save them.

36:42 But then once you pull them back and save them, like all right, and now you're not doing this for any accolade. You're just doing it just because you you felt like it was a good thing to do, Like they were falling and you pulled them up and you saved them, and you're like, all right, great job. No, you know, not for any not trying to get anything out of this. It was pure intentions. But then you look over and you see somebody falling and you realize that the person you just saved was actually trying to save somebody else. But the one that you pulled wasn't in trouble. They were holding somebody that was in trouble, and you couldn't see that from your limited perspective. You really thought you were doing something good, but you couldn't see from the limited perspective. So level five it's it's it's basically you're tapping into the GPS system. So it's not my will, but thine be done. Where now you're you're living life fully from you, you're fully embodied here on earth. You're fully aware of the oneness and there's the connection between the two, and you're only ever listening.

37:38 It's like you walk by faith, not by side. You don't ever let your mind decide anything. You don't try to. Like when I was in level two, I was playing chess, with life, and I was like, if I do this, then that'll happen. If I do that, that'll in level five. You don't ever ever do that. You just say now my will, but thime be done, Love, What would you have me do here? You don't even have to say it anymore. It just starts to happy. You know, it's just happening. And so you're just listening. Seek first the Kingdom, and the Kingdom is within you. So you're just living in the Kingdom and you do things from the Kingdom, and all of your actions are representation of the Kingdom. So the Kingdom of God forms around you here on earth through your actions. But you're not doing to get anything. It's like the Master does nothing yet leaves nothing undone. You are being done by the Kingdom. You don't do things for the kingdom.

38:20 You do things from the Kingdom. You don't do things for worthiness. You do things from the worthiness, and it just starts to reflect on around you and people start to rise up. Okay, so let's talk about that from him, because I guarantee you a number of the audience are not necessarily believers in God and the Kingdom and the things that you're talking about but many of them have a belief of a universal divinity. They have a belief of all these different things. So how do you explain this to people who may not have that belief that you have, and quite frankly, I have to, But how do you help these people to understand and that there is a universal power out there if they're able to tap into it, that literally can give them the information and the thoughts and the wisdom and the intuitiveness to know what they can do in a positive way to lift people up without necessarily being in that for where you just you know, want some kind of accolades or something. Yeah, So I don't really do anything for that for the people.

39:34 It's because at this point where my specific role is to help people who love the truth live the truth, and most people, most people can't hear where I'm speaking from. They think, like there's a lot of people that will think they'll think that I'm saying something from a different place than like when we're talking about earlier about the perspective, like people don't understand it, don't see reality, They're living in a false perspective. So there's really nothing that I could possibly say for them to hear where what I'm saying is coming from until it's time for them, until until it's you know, that's part of their journey. But I mean, I just say to people, hey, if you can just take responsibility for your reality, just handle that. Once you've got that done, all this other stuff is gonna unfold. You're gonna start to see the truth. I was an evangelist atheist for twenty years, like it was my job to convince people God wasn't real, and I was all in, that's certain about it, and I was completely wrong. And so I understand like where everybody is on the journey, I think, and there is nothing anybody could have said to me back then. If I would have heard somebody even say God, I'm like, you're an idiot. I'm never gonna listen to another word that you say, which was fine because I was down in level one, like there's no way I could have heard what it was being said anyway. So it's just you know, allowing people their space, allowing people their time, allowing them go through their journey, and when they're when they're ready. It's like you know, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. And when the teachers are ready to the student will appear. It just it just all, It all happens when it's supposed to happen, and you So there's a there's a number one mistake and

41:04 each of these levels that will that will trip you up. Level one, the mistake is caring what other people think. As long as you're caring about what other people think, then you're gonna do what other people do. If you're doing what other people are doing, you're gonna get what they're getting, and what they're getting in good well good in the in the you know, duality reality. So the level two, the mistake is lack of clarity and focus. You know, most people are just sitting there running around kind of get pushed around by the world. They you know, if you don't have if you don't have a vision for your life. Without vision, the people perish. You don't have a vision, you don't know where you're going. Then you're being played. You're conforming to the patterns of this world, whether you know it or not, which means you're getting lost in the maya and the illusions you're getting. You're getting driven by lies and don't even realize it until you see where you're going level three, the massive mistake is attachment to outcome, and then level four the number one mistake is giving to get, and level five the massive mistake is trying versus allowing. And so I got one job, stay out of the way. And that's been my job ever since entering into level five. It's just stay out of the way, because I can see that there's there's John. John's still here, John Jay.

42:15 And it's like I can't like when I'm just saying John's still here, It's like he just came online when I'm talking about him right now. But it's like, I've got one job to stay out of the way. And there's a difference between when the source is speaking through me versus Mini me, little John, the false identity that that perceives reality. There's a difference when they speak and and so all I'm doing is just observing. And I can tell when John stands up and like, just sit down, John, relax, just enjoy the journey, just enjoy the ride. And so he just sits back down. He just gets to enjoy the ride, and the allowing happens. And that's when it's coming from the Kingdom, and it just came and you said something that I think is so important, and that's just something that I've talked about quite a bit. You know, understanding that each one of us there's just an amazing goodness in us. There's a divinity within us that if only we would allow ourselves to tap into that, it literally will allow us to have a life that we're touching others lives, not because we want some kind of accolades, as you say, but it's just a matter of you know, I'm going to move out of the way, and wherever I can touch a life and lift a life, that's where I want to be.

43:27 But that comes from that sense and understanding, an awareness that within each one of us there's this incredible divinity and so many people as you, even as you experienced as a child, you got to the point where you didn't believe that because of the experiences that you had, and what a a miraculous transition for you to be able to go through each of those steps to the point where you recognize that within each one of us there's this divinity. And you know what, it's not easy for people to become aware that. So I love I love the fact that you're talking about those five steps and that you actually went through them and you've reached that point. And I can't even imagine if the world was full of people such as yourself, had that true believing of the a eniting with one of us get out of the way, and how do we just serve and help and love? What a difference that would make in this world? Well, I actually so I live in that world now because I live in a village where people have made the journey.

44:31 They might not be fully complete along the journey, but they've at least stepped into the now. The truth is, we're all in level five all the time. But what you believe to be true, it is true for you, even if it's a lie. We're so powerful. If we believe we're not, then we're not so. But the people that are here in this village, they've they've all connected all the way fully, all the way down to the source. I say life is an eighteen journey from the head to the heart, from the mind, through the emotions to the heart, from slavery to freedom, from free from Egypt to the Promised Land. But so there's when I when I described that, I use also this metaphor. If there's like there's three You've got three us. There's three identities. There's your ideal self, which is who you think you're supposed to be so people will love you. That's in your mind. Then here's your your real self, what you're really feeling, which is your emotions, like I just don't feel like I'm enough. And then underneath that, so you got to take off the mask and just be vulnerable and say, yeah, I just feel like I'm too stupid, or I'm too old, or i'm too young, or I'm too ugly, whatever the thing is, and you just feel it fully.

45:39 We're not here to feel happy, we're here to feel fully. So when you can feel that fully, you'll cross the river and you'll drop into the kingdom, which that's where your your true self is. This is your infinite, eternal being. This that's perfect and pure and whole and complete, always has been, always will be. It's untouched. It's always been untouched. Like even when you've been dance around up here in the illusions, it didn't change the truth. It only changed your experience in time. But eternity is still intact. So so we're getting real close to the end again. But I want you to talk real quickly about your village and what you're doing with that. Yeah, so we it was a vision that was given to me and twenty fifteen, it's basically I saw what was coming in my book.

46:29 When you read in my book it talks about and I wrote the book like eight seven or eight years ago. It was written through me at while I was doing a forty day fast, but talked about these two trains where on one train, the people are waking up, getting more connected with each other, more connected with nature, moving into unconditional love. On the other trained, people are going more asleep, more disconnected from themselves, more disconnected from each other, more living in an artificial world, and more living in unconditional fear. And at the point when the book was written, the trains were pretty close where people could jump back and forth pretty easily. That the trains have been splitting ever since, and the book was saying there's gonna be a time where the trains split where you can't get to the other train anymore. You won't even be able to see the other train anymore. So this I'm birthing a new earth over here which there's people are just living in unconditional love. They're being their true selves. They're not being false, fake artificial world. It's everything's organic, everything's real, everything's natural, everything's just the way that it was its original intent to divine design, and the people are all like that. And so we're just here like literally living in the Garden of Eden, and we got our own food, water, shelter, energy community, and it's all built around this purpose. And so I always knew that this first one, this was the prototype. We finished the prototype, and then we're already expanding to we got another village, and then they're just going to about to start expand all across the world. So as the people are staying in the old world, they're it's getting further into fear more disconnected.

47:58 They're going to be moving into their little fifteen minute cities, the smart cities. And then but on the other side, the New Earth people are going to be just stepping into the sovereign it's a sovereign surrender society. They're just these villages where people are just living in harmony with each other, in harmony with nature, and in an infinite abundance, like there's no scarcity here, Like everybody's just living in abundance. It's really cool. So here's the question, because not everybody can head down to Costa Rica and do that. Is it possible in your opinion, for people to reach that level and live that life just where they happen to be. Yeah, it's good. Well that's where it has to start because wherever you go there you are so again, see the kingdom, and the kingdom is within you. So you've got to you've got to drop into the kingdom. And when you're in the kingdom, you're in unconditional love, love and peace and joy, not dependent upon circumstances and conditions. No matter what's going on around you, you're still good that. It's at that point the circumstances don't affect you, you actually affect them. And then to the degree that you stay there is it's gonna form like a bubble around you that people can start stepping in and stepping up with you, or you might just then be called to, you know, go into a direction, leave where you're at it. You you won't really know where you're supposed to be until you get to the kingdom. Once you get to them, that you might be directed to take some steps into different directions.

49:22 But or it might just berth around you right where you are, but you'll know, but you'll know. So how do people find your book? You got to find your purpose Book dot com and you can go download it for free. It's find your Purposebook dot com. Just put your name in email address. You'll get the PDF and the audio version and uh free so shows on Amazon you can get It's on Amazon. It's also on Audible. Uh so is the audible free? Is the Audible tree? Nah? I think I think it's like fifteen bucks or eleven bucks or something a if you want to, you can just go to find your Purposebook dot com. If you want to pay fifteen bucks or whatever much it is, just go to audible or you know, but you're gonna yeah, listen, this has been wonderful and thank you so much. I you know, one thing I love about doing this show is being able to interview people setus yourself, that are making a difference. And everybody has a different life experience, but ultimately the goal is to reach that point as you talk about where that self awareness and that love and where you've moved away from all of this have to and should and ought to and really become the person that you always have been through the eternities. So thank you so much for being on the show. I really appreciate it. You're welcome, thank you for having me. And the website that you just shared, is that also where they can learn more about you

50:55 and about your villages and so forth. If you want to check out more about the villages, you can go to this is Earthwaking Village dot com. But if if you go to Earthwaking Village dot org, it's got a little video of our village and you can go and you okay, so that's earth Waking Village dot org. Yeah, and there's all kind of stuff on there. So excellent, Jonathan, thank you so much for being on Michelle, and all right, thank you for joining us. Hope you've been really enjoyed it, and we look forward to have you join us again soon