Dreams Are The Secrets to Your Life

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0:44 Denzel Washington, welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to do the same. Gabriel, welcome to the show. Thank you so much. Doug, it's great to be here. And hello to listeners. Oh yes, and where you where you at at this point in time? Where are you living? I am in Sydney, Australia, the best city in the world. We've just come up. We are just shameless plug for Sydney. We've just come out of two and a half weeks of torrential rain and the sun has been shining since yesterday. So it's really really great, how wonderful. You know that rain can be really tough in in Asia, in that area, and I know that. So for those that are watching this versus listening to it, you you've got a bunch of elephants behind you.

1:36 I do, and that's because it's an I'm not actually in Africa, though I grew up. I was born in Africa and grew up in Africa, so that that's saying there, that quote the African problem is something that really touches my heart. Having you know, once you've been in Africa, stays in your blood. Yes, and a good leader was once a good follower. I like that saying. So what I'd love for you to do is share with the audience how you got to the point you are, because you've gone through a lot of different things. And it's fascinating to me as we go through our lives and we have our professions and so forth, and there's a story behind why all of a sudden or not maybe even an of a sudden, maybe that's just a transition. We reach a point in our lives where we're doing, what we're doing presently. I'd love for you to share with the audience your story.

2:36 Thank you, thanks so much for that. Well you set. I've been through a lot of I've done a lot of different things. It's actually I had a really steady career for about twenty five years. What happened was, you know, as a young child, I was always interested in two things. I was interested in psychology and I was interested in spirituality. And you know, my father passed away when I was it got a lot of questions. I was asking a lot of existential questions. At one point I said to my mum, I'd like to go and see a medium. She said, absolutely, no way. And so what. Happened after that was I just followed the psychology route, and when it came to going to university, no brainer.

3:21 I studied psychology and I had a really great career for a long time. For over two decades, I worked in organizational psychology big corporates, and I thrived. It was a huge part of my identity. And what happened was in about I don't know, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, things started to shift. The career that once really lit me up started to fade, and I felt a sense of disconnect. Was not so much what I was doing, but the environment, the corporate environment started to really trip me up, and I started to see the dark underbeling of corporate life.

4:01 And it was interesting because I'd been aware of it and privy to it, but I'd never really felt affected by it, and so there were questions floating around in my mind, what do I do? What's happening here? And then in twenty twenty, I had that inflection point where I was in a senior leadership role in a bank of all places, and I was depressed. I was depressed. I was highly anxious, and I woke up on Sunday morning and I had this terrible pit in my stomach and that pit took me on a walk, a bushwalk, listened to a podcast friendly Enough, and that was my awakening.

4:42 I realized I no longer wanted it, change, actually had to change. And so that was the inflection point. And a short while later, you know, I had an advert in my Instagram feed and I attended a three day extended can workshop on energy and the rest is history. So it was, in many ways, there was an inflection point that it had been building for quite some time, but you know, I needed a catalyst which was hitting rock bottom for me to make this change. And so I've kind of come full circle. I'm now keeping my psych practice. You bring that very strongly into my work, but I throw in the world of energy, which gives a nice spiritual tone to it.

5:30 And are you doing more on a personal level now or are you still doing corporate level? Okay, to show you you moved into the personal. Level, I really have, and I've never really done that. I've done individual coaching in a corporate setting. They've been corporate clients and then their leaders have come to me for coaching, but I've never actually worked with individuals like ordinary citizens. And that's what I'm doing, though I still do some facilitation in the corporate world because I'm not facilitating, but I'm not in it. And yeah, I'm working with human beings, people like you and I who are stuck as I was, and who are wanting to put it and make some really big changes that they just don't know how to.

6:13 Well. As you combine psychology and your reference to spirituality, define for the audience what you mean, what your perception is of spirituality? Well, for me, it's about consciousness. My spiritual journey has been about expanding my consciousness, and not from a psychological perspective that's just getting to know yourself better, but spiritually, what that means is being able to really tap into the fact that we are actually not separated. Humanity is totally interconnected, and I'm able to tap into different sources of wisdom now than I was before. So, for example, my intuition is deeply, deeply honed. Having studied the energy for eighteen months, I've been through the process. My internal GPS is on, so I've activated my spiritual gift of intuition.

7:14 And so what that's done is it has allowed me to really tap into higher source knowledge. When I'm at my own inflection points, when I'm working with my clients and I'm quite sure where to go next, there's a different wellspread that I can draw from to move myself or the other person in a different direction. So expanded consciousness that's how I would define it. Does that become a you know, you're working with a client, something comes up and you know you're saying, they're going, okay, where do we need to go with there? Is it a conscious tapping into a deeper level or is it just naturally come.

7:57 Well, it's interesting, it's such a great question you've askedcause in the beginning I used to go like where like, oh, I feel stuck. I can't leave this person's energy. What does this mean? But now it's much more unconscious, because you know, as we develop skills, we become unconsciously competent. So we're just drawing on things we now know that part of us. And that's the same with my intuition. It's like, what's actually happened when I'm working with someone who's I feel almost like I've stepped back from the process and my higher self, that wisdom that I have that's not in my conscious you know, being that part of me has taken over and is doing the work for me. It's difficult to explain, but it's a little bit of an altered state in that you are.

8:47 It's unconscious, okay, And you talk about your higher self. I know there are many people that talk about quantum physics and getting into the quantum field and so forth, and I don't know do you do you go to in that direction? Nulled Doy, you talk about the quantum field, I actually do. I do. I tap into other sources of wisdom. I just if you're open to talking about that, then I'm happy to talk about it. I usually just get my cue from the podcast host as to how far I can take this into I tap into? Can I go there? Yeah? You know what? Yes? Because I think for people, you know, people talk about their higher self, and I think for some people that's very difficult to understand. For those that can envision, you know, the quantum field, there's some scientific basis behind that, and I think that people need to understand that there are ways in which they can tap into quote their higher self and really gain that inspiration, that wisdom. For some it may be from a really just perspective of you know, whether they're Christians or their Buddhists or whatever that happens to be. But I'd love for you too, Yes, get into it. That's what this is all about.

10:12 That's great, Okay. So really, the way that I define our higher self is by thinking that we've got different versions of ourselves that exist in any point in time. We've got our present self, which we're aware of. I'm sitting here with you in a podcast conversation. I think you know, we've also got our past selves. We draw on that when we know our memories come to the fall. When we're doing personal work in therapy, we're going back to our past self and we're taking experiences and lessons. So that version of ourselves exists, and there are multiple versions of that. There's the version of us that you know, it's a toddler version of us at school. There are so many multi dimensions, and then there is also a future self. But we can go to that at a later point if you want. But this version of ourself that exists, that has transcended the three D reality, it exists in a realm where we've actually it's sorted out the problems. It knows intuitively the how to solve the problems that we're facing in our current reality. It's the part of us that's got the answers. Now that's the mystical way of saying. But if I just said to you, you know, can you tap into yourself? There is a part of you deep down that knows how to work through the problem you're facing. That's what I'm talking about.

11:42 And the way that I help people access it, which is not a little bit more mainstream, is working through dreams, because your dreams contain your unconscious and they in Actually it's more than that. When we dream, we travel, and we can access the frequency of these different versions of ourselves to heal ourselves in our sleep. So that's the way that I teach people how to access that intuitive voice of wisdom, which is by really building a relationship with your dream state and working through stuff in your dreams.

12:24 Okay, I don't dream very often, So what's the challenge. Well, at first, see, I would challenge you, dag, and I'd say, you probably do. You do dream probably very often. The challenge is probably weak. All you know, you're probably not remembering your dreams, and that's common. Well, and yeah, I woke up the other the other morning and I just had such a crazy dream and I know what it was exactly about and why it was triggered, but it was like, okay, and then you know, I to myself, all right, was is there any meaning to this dream other than the fact that, you know whatever?

13:06 And I wear a seapap okay, and I was dreaming that I just needed to get it off, needed to get it off. And you know, I woke up and I did, but I thought to myself, all right, what's what's the deeper meaning that I need to get the seapap off my face? Well, we could go there. We could spain the rest of the podcast talking about that if you want. But you know it's crazy. It's so you know, if I said to you, if we all dream, okay, and what you've just described is that crazy experience we go to in another altered state. Well, and that's often a doorway into spirituality for me, because if I if you didn't dream, and I told you what happened in my dreams, you think I was mad? Right, my mother? I activated my mother's ability to remember her dreams inadvertent keys. She never remembered to sing.

14:00 Dream. Now every day she's telling me, you know, and they are crazy. My dreams are crazy. They're all crazy. This is are This is the beauty of being able to access different parts of ourselves. Okay, So I'm going to have two questions, so I apologize. I always ask more than one question, which is really tough for nothing. So first question is how many times when someone is watching, you know, a TV show at night before they go to sleep. I know that that can affect I remember specifically sometimes I'm watching a show and then I dream something about that show. So you know, I don't know that that has anything to do with anything other than that was in my conscious or subconscious.

14:51 But secondarily, in the second question I have is, and you mentioned it, how do you unlock your ability to remember your dreams? Okay, so let me just write this down because these days I don't remember. If you ask me more than one question at a time, I've got to write it down. And if I don't ask it, if I don't answer two questions at once, then I forget one of them. Welcome to the club. Yes, And the first one, I think you know. Very often, something we've spoken about in the day, a chat, in a book, we've read, a movie, the news, whatever it is you were doing just before you go to sleep, they find their way into our dreams.

15:35 But not everything does, just certain things do. It's still relevant because somewhere in some level our subconsciousness said, this is an important construct to bring into the dream for some reason or other. Okay, yeah, makes sense, all right, and answers that one. So now, how do how do I start remembering my dreams? Well? I mean what I do? I don't just do healing. I also do activation because we've all got this innate You've got innate gifts talents that you know. One of them is our ability to dream and work with our dreams. One of them is you know, intuition, and I can actually activate those. But you don't have to come to me to do it. You can actually get into a routine yourself. And it's quite simple. So what I teach people is do you have to the important thing over here as consistency and do it for a period of like twenty one days and see what comes up. What you're going to do is just before you go to sleep, you're getting ready to go to sleep, you get into a meditative state of some sort. You don't have to be meditating, but just make sure you're in a quiet, clear space where you are open and receptive and you're in an authentic place. Sometimes for me, that happens after I take hot bath at night, or whatever the case may be. What you can do is you're going to have a conversation with your dream while you're awake, and you're going to set an intention. And you might say,

17:09 perhaps you just set a general intention dream tonight as I go to sleep, please help me remember what is going to help you know what is in the highest good for me to remember. So you're basically what you're doing is you have You're commanding your dream to help you remember what is you know what you dreamt. You could ask something more specific. You've got an issue in your life that you want to sort out and you want your dreams to help you with. If you could ask your dream a specific question. For example, dream tonight as I sleep, please help me understand why I'm not getting off with my coworkers for example. That's just an example.

17:54 So the point is you're taking time in a quiet space, you're asking, you're setting a heart intention, and you're in a conversation with your dream. Then what you typically you can either just go to sleep after that, or if you want to amplify the energy, you can do a little ritual before you go to sleep. So, for example, if you are asking the dream about why you're fighting with your coworkers, you can perhaps take your work notebook and sleep with it next to your ideal pillow, just to because it's bringing in the energy of work into your dream state, just kind of adds a little bit of fuel. Then when you go to sleep, go to sleep, and when the minute you wake up, you have to take notes of whatever you remember. It doesn't matter how small or seemingly insignificant, and get very very granular. If you say you don't remember, all you do is when you wake up, you write down how you feel it because it's that's the left over from your dream. And if you do that for three weeks in a road dog, I can guarantee you and start remembering dreams.

18:58 Oh fascinating. And shall that bring up the next question? So in our dreams, is it really in many cases are subconscious that that area that we don't even we're not even conscious about the subconscious that is literally affecting our lives because we know that that really is our life experience based on our limiting beliefs, our beliefs, whatever that happens to be. Do the dreams really bring up the subconscious that we're able to look at those and analyze those and potentially start to find some solutions. Very much. That's the whole idea of working intentionally with your dreams, is that you can bring to the surface what was out of your awareness in your daily life, because those things are sometimes to confront for us, you know, to just go there. So your dream offers you a vehicle to surface that and to work with really deeply, deeply hel things that we haven't Sometimes we know what they are, and sometimes it's the first time we've ever thought about it. So dreams can have dual purposes that can bring deeply unconscious to the surface. Or you can dream about things you kind of know about but you haven't really learned the lesson, so it gives you an opportunity to take your understanding of it further.

20:25 Well. And you know what I do know is is people are seeking to overcome those challenges in their lives, and obviously they have to get to the point where they become aware and mindful enough to realize that, you know what, what I'm experiencing in my life is not what I want to experience. And ultimately, as you know, when we finally take the responsibility to say, you know what, I can't I can't be a victim and blame everybody else for what's going on in my life. I really have to take the responsibility to recognize that I'm creating my own life, even if it's subconscious stuff. So that's the first step. But then there are so many challenges that people experience when they start to really want to focus on that healing and that growth. What are some of the common challenges that you see your client's face and how do you help them to overcome?

21:24 Yeah, okay, that's so great. I mean, actually, you're right. In order for somebody to embark on a journey of change and healing, they've got to have to own it. And that's actually a big barrier to get to. I know, there's a problem to I actually own that I'm the common denominator in my life. It's not moving from the head to the hearts. So let's assume that they are there, that they know that they actually have internalized that they have to change. One of the biggest most common barriers in change is getting off the starting blocks. You know, a lot of people understand their stuff, that understand what's holding them back, but actually making the changes in real life is the tricky part. You know, it's a little bit life knowing a recipe but struggling to cook the meal.

22:14 You know, it's the gap between what we know about ourselves and turning it into action. And you're right, you spoke, You've just said, you know, we get to a point where we realize that this is really you know, those moments of discomfort where we have enough motivation to want to change, but most of us don't need that wake up call. Now at an energetic level, you have to very often. You have to be at a point in your life where the status quo feels unbearable, it's no longer tenable. You've got tired of the patterns in your life, but you know, really really tired. There's actually almost a survival element to it. If I don't change, I really won't be able to continue. I really won't be able to functionally effectively anymore. And so that's the big thing, is getting off the starting blocks. And you know the question then, because underpinning that is fear. So how do you deal with fear? And the best way to deal with fear is through the antidote, which is love, So bringing love into the moment. And how do you do that in practical terms, You really increase acts of self care, You do stuff for yourself that neutralizes the fear through self care, self love, self respect, and you know, sitting with your fears. The other part of it, I've learned through my own experience that the human body can't actually

23:46 sit with intense emotions too long. For me, it was about seventeen minutes. I think the limit is about eighteen minutes. And really going into your fear and why what would happen if I started changing my life? What's the fear about? That's a really important part of it. And also working with your dreams ask maybe this is a point to ask your dreams stack and say, dream can you explain to me why I'm so scared of change? So getting of the starting blocks is a big one. There are others, but that's a really big one. Well. And you know, it's interesting about fear because so often people don't realize I think that the fear of the unknown. I think this is where the resistance to change becomes so strong, because it's easier to be comfortable with the known, even though you may not enjoy it, versus the unknown. And so as you say, and I appreciate what you say there, fear can be such a challenge in our lives. And you know, how have you find as you're working with their clients, how do you help them really overcome that fear of the unknown so that they're really willing to move forward. Now. Talked a little bit about the dreams, but could you get a little bit more definitive.

25:03 Yes, Well, they're different ways you can do it. You can either help them. You can either increase their sense of discomfort with the status quo so that they're like now propelled to get off. That's not typically my way of doing it. Or you can really bring psychological safety into the process for them and help them experience change and healing in a way that is actually fulfilling, not scary. And it's quite easy to do because you know, most of us are motivated by to evolve. We all want to grow into most of us want to grow into the best version of ourselves. So all the way in the process, as people are taking small steps forward, I am supporting them. I am helping them acknowledge and really celebrate the progress they're making. And I love learning so much, so it's really easy for me to help people see that this is actually a really fulfilling process. Once you get over the hump, you know what's on the other side.

26:08 I help people see beyond the finish line, because that's where you want your energy to go, you know, I want to you know, focus. Oh my god, this is so difficult, but you actually really keep people focused on the bigger picture is a really important part of what I do well. And you know, as I think about dreams, and you know so often and we kind of, you know, smile and lamp about this, but when people think about dreams, they're going, oh, come on, give me a break. You're you're helping people through their dreams. But let's look from a more scientific standpoint. What is happening to the brain when we sleep? Is is it a form of hypnosis?

26:51 Because we know that hypnosis hypnotherapy can literally allow us to bring forth those emotions and remember things that we don't normally remember. What is it about sleeping that allows the subconscious to bring or you know whatever, to bring up those elements that we need to be able to be aware of and to deal with. Could you share with the audience what you feel about that. Well, I don't really know about the physiological side of sleeping, but I know that there are different brainwaves. You know, this is not the same as a meditative or hypnotic brainwave.

27:32 That is a theta state. That is a very different experience. And I can bring people into Theta state as well. That's the other thing. But I'm not sure I can answer it only reading from a psychological perspective, which is that your mind, your active brain, shuts down, your defenses go down, and you enter a brainway state that allows you to just, you know, all the unconscious stuff to come up. I don't know the physiology behind it, Doug to be honest, I wouldn't be able to answer that. But what I can say is it is a different state to hypnosis, which is a Theta state, and the thea still theater I think Americans call it. Theater is that state where if you you might have experienced it, where you're awake, semi conscious, you're it's like you're standing back and you are observing what's happening, but you're kind of witness. You stand. It's like you're in the background of what's happening, but you're aware of it. It's a very powerful state to be in. And when I'm in THEA state, that's when I set intensions. That's when stuff information gets downloaded to me from our whole self that I ordinarily wouldn't think of. I write prolifically state because I'll forget about it afterwards. So yeah, that's a different state.

29:05 Well, and I think sometimes people do reach that in sleep from what I've what I've seen and studying. Not often you know they're in that alpha state and so forth, but occasionally they can get there. So but as you talk about the Theta state and that's where you're able to really set intentions and so forth, what comes to my mind is a question is how do you get yourself into that Theata state? Is it through meditation? How do you do that? Well, you have to build the capacity. So that's why I'm working with energy, and that's it took level I think I was in end of level two training when it started to happen. Because how you do it is by expanding your energetic capacity, activating your energy through multiple energy activations. You're able to do that. And initially it was oh gosh, like suddenly it would come on me when I was someone was doing healing on you, or just before I was going to sleep, or while I was lying on my bed, it would that suddenly come on me, and then I would capitalize on it. Now I can do it through intention, so I can set the intention. It's almost like to go into that state I can just sit quietly and then I sink into it.

30:17 But it took eighteen months of really intensive energy healing and energy activation to get there. So that's something that you probably for the uninitiated, would need a little bit of support getting into well. And you talk about energy activation, energy mastery, explain to the audience what you mean by that, Because you know, I think of energy and I'm thinking, Okay, I'm running and I got energy and so on and so forth. We're talking about an entirely different element here. Can you explain to the adage what you mean by energy and what is it to master that type of energy within our lives? Yes, now, and it is different. I mean you're absolutely right in the sense that it's not feeling energized, something quite different. And actually, what I'm helping people work with is I mean, energy is the life force. It's the breath of life, That's what it is, and it runs through us. It regulates everything in life, including the strength and the quality of our thoughts and our emotions. Because actually a thought isn't anything but an energetic frequency, right, same with an emotion. Right. So if you can think about it as the power behind everything, you do. The invisible fuel that drives how your influence is, how you feel, how you think, how you navigate life. That's what it is now. Yes, it can be low vibrational. You'd have

31:51 blocks which make you feel lack of energy drained. But also the thing that I'm more interested in is when we develop in a blocks, they become like invisible handbrakes. They put the brakes on, and we find ourselves in these repetitive patterns of thinking and behaving and being and experiences that just can't get out of this. It's like a cycle. And we may have tried other forms of therapy, we may have tried. Nothing we can do can shift it. And that's because the energy hasn't been released. The experiences that we hold, the memories, all the things that are fueling the stories we tell ourselves and the identity. These things have an energetic frequency. That's what I'm working on, the blocks, the things that hold us black, and working at the energetic inception point of that to release the blocks.

32:44 So it is very different. Well, and you know, as you say that, I think about why is it that people continually experience the same thing over and over again in their lives and they can't figure it out. And when you talk about energy and particularly their subconscient that and we're like magnets obviously, and so whatever that energy is that sometimes we're not even aware of, attracts and brings to us the similar frequency, as you say, of the similar energy, which means it can be negative or it can be positive. So how does one start to release that type of energy? I know, you know, people talk about chakras, they talk about all these different things, they talk about the frequencies in the quantum field. How does one go about, based on your experience, starting to release those negative energies and create the positive energies that start to attract the positive things in our lives where we start to really experience that sense of love, joy, happiness, whatever that is.

33:49 Yeah, yeah, well, I guess that's the question. We're going back to the question about what energy mastery is. And I just remember that as you were asking me this question that I've forgotten to answer, I've your question before. So what it is is, there's five My lueprint has got five elements to it, the capacity to understand your energy. So having a higher level understanding consciousness regarding not just your energy levels, but your blocks, your patterns, and you know what triggers you, what triggers your mood to change, what triggers your energy to dip, what gets you in and out of stake. So understanding is the first part of it. Second part of it is protecting your energy.

34:33 So before you even work on yourself, you've got to start by eliminating blocks in your environment. Okay, not within you, but in your environment. People that bring you down, jobs stuck in my case, jobs that you know I have broken you you There are things we can do to eliminate blocks in our environment. Third part of energy mastery is the clearing and this is where the real work stocks. And it links to the question you've just asked now, because we've all got int energy box. They accumulate over time and you know and what we do, you're absolutely right. We work with the chakras. I teach people how to scan their chakras and how to feel initially, how to intuitively feel where there which chakra might have an energy block.

35:19 So that's a skill. Then once you've found it, say it's in my throat chakra, how do you release it and how do you replenish? Because once you've released the block you can't leave avoid. The universe doesn't like voids. You've got to actually fill it up with love and light and you've got to close that. You know, you've got to replenish it. So there's a methodology that you teach people to do that. But there are simple things you can do to help clear your energy. That's the third one. How do you maintain your energy? So how do you interrupt dips? And how do you optimize? That's the activation pach, I expand your capacity, But in the clearing space, you don't. I mean, the best way to do it is to learn how to do it. And I can't do that now, but.

36:02 It is going to be my next question. I can't and I'll tell you why, because it takes. It's a graduated process, and it's just it takes. I've got a series of lessons. It's not simple, and the principles you've got to learn before you do it, you know. But if you don't know how to do the clearing, you can do things in your own way, like to clear blocks. I mean, one way is you've spoken about is working with your dreams. Because blocks are likely repetitive patterns are likely to come up in your dream state. But also you know, getting out into nature. I love the energy of fire and so I love being in the sun. And if I've got back to back meetings Doug and I'm feeling particularly flat, I've had a really awful meeting and I'm feeling flat. Most of our stuff is online these days. I'll step away for five minutes, less than five minutes going to my garden, stand in the sun. And what the fire energy does is it transmutes.

37:00 It pears and it transmutes. If you're feeling low, it's going to turn. You're going to walk away feeling a bit innovative and lifted. It gives you a pick me up. So that's those are things for other people. It's water, you know, getting having a swim in the seat. Salt water can be very cleansing. Otherwise, you know, standing under a shower people love that. That can be a very cleansing way of you know, just cleansing out your energy. It's not going to go to the deep beheld stuff, but it's going to cleanse out your energy level to some degree. So there are simple things we can do using elementals in nature as well. How I love that. I love that well. And you know, one of the things you're talking about, and we haven't really labeled that, you've mentioned it a couple of times, is this sense of mindfulness, a sense of consciousness and realizing that this is this is a level of awareness that most people don't really experience, particularly when they have all of these subconscious things going on in their lives that's creating their experience. And as you talk about that, what is the effect of that mindfulness, of that consciousness to be aware as you say, if a trigger, if you get triggered, rather than responding in that emotional way going wow, I just got triggered. What is it subconsciously that is causing me to get triggered? And all of

38:30 a sudden, now you have become mindful, You have become conscious of that element rather than being affected by it. Yes, yes, it's right, it's well. I think consciousness and awareness is the start of any journey of learning, change, healing. Doesn't matter what modality you're using. You know, and if you're sitting in talk therapy and spend a lot of time unpacking your past and really bringing to the surface what some of your behavioral drivers are. In energy work, I do a similar thing. But we're really teaching people how to get in touch with their internal state, and that it's actually easier than you think. So I'll give you a simple a simple tool, very simple tool, which is paying attention to your language, the words that you use, because those words the words that we use the fact how we think about our lives, how we experience things, and how we show up behaviors, and they're connected to thoughts.

39:34 You know, that's actually a bidirectional process because our thinking distorts our language, and our language distorts our thinking. So really a simple thing is to just pay attention to words that you find yourself using. Now, for me, I had a really interesting experience with this. I woke up one morning after an eight hour good sleep and I talked to myself away. I woke up, I got out of bed, and I heard myself saying out loud, I'm exhausted. Okay. It was like, now, what's that about, I've just had an eight hour sleep? And then I noticed in the day and in the following days, I used a a version of that word all the time. They're exhausting. It's exhausting me. I'm exhausted that you know, different iterations of that word, and it struck me that I needed to look at this what does this mean? And when I went inside, I realized and that's the process of just sitting with yourself and kind of journaling and dreaming. I realized that it was a statement of Internally, I was feeling very burnt out. I wasn't physically tired, but emotionally I felt like the demands of my life were greater than my capacity to deal with them at the time.

40:58 And now that was an interesting insight into what was going on beneath the surface. You know, for other people they call they say, oh, such an idiot. You know, watch yourself saying that and give yourself a chance to unpack what's that about? Why do I keep saying this about myself? So using words or I'm focusing on our language is a really easy way to get beneath the waterline and see what's happening beneath the surface. Well, and do you do you have any stories you can share about how this energy healing has literally transformed an individual's life one of your clients. Yeah, I mean, I've got to be careful because I don't you know, some of my clients actually listen to these podcasts so so, and I've got to always maintain just confidentiality, but.

41:48 I will absolutely I will. Talk about one person or a couple of people had a similar experience with me. The one person came to me because they wanted they'd lost touch with friends. Actually they were lonely and their marriage was not great. There was something like they'd isolated themselves off and they wanted to reconnect with friendships, and they wanted to build meaningful connections with other people, including their spase, and they were feeling at the time like a sense of numbness apassing. And I did a healing on her, and I actually found was interesting because I I read her timeline and I found a repetitive pattern that happened at the start of every decade where there were major incidents at the start of every decade where this person disconnected from intimacy.

42:45 And so I did the work, and then afterwards, I remember they reported having a really vivid dream, which was highly unusual. They had a heaving cold with lots of coughing, which was also very highly unusual. And I realized, Okay, they're purging. Stuff is coming out to be released, and it took about two weeks, one to two weeks, maybe ten days, where their colleagues could see a change in their ability to really kind of connect. That felt lighter, they felt they were just there was something it shifted in their connection with their colleagues. The dynamics shifted with their spouse. This person's spouse started to come forward. And what struck me is that when I'm doing work like this, I'm healing not only the person but also the family dynamic because they connected so tired. So that was really interesting.

43:37 It took up a week or two where their blocks around intimacy and I'm not talking sexual, talking dis relational intimacy were healed really quickly. And I had a similar experience. I remember with another client who came with a very deep issue. They had a memory of being abused actually as a child, and in one session literally once they felt like, you know, this weight had they were living with a sense of weightlessness for the first time since they were a child, and their relationships to their colleague colleagues and you know, their spouse had changed fundamentally and there was a noticeable difference. So you know, those things that can happen very quickly if the person's ready very quickly.

44:23 I love that as we come to a close and which such conversation could go on for a few more hours. I was looking at the time that yeah, I know, I. Know, it just goes bar. As you think about the audience, what would be a message that you would like to share with them that might help them in their lives. The message I think that I want to share is that energy runs the show. Everything is energy, and if you release your blocks at an energetic level, you're going to release an invisible handbrake that's been holding you back. So give it a go. You don't have to be able to really see it for it to work. And yeah, that would be my message that you know energy, If you want epic transformation, go the energy route.

45:15 I love it. Gabrielle, thanks so much for being on the show. How do people find you? They find me on my website, which is a generative growth dot com dot au. There are multiple ways of getting in touch with me there, or they can just connect with me on Instagram Gabrielle dot. Con Style Okay, Gabrielle dot Pemstone P I M S T O N E. Folks for that, So folks, thanks for listening. I hope this, I hope this has energized you a bit to really look at things and look at another way in which you might find some success in happiness. So as a doctor Doug saying namastae, he Dealt Turner to ten and year