Aug. 18, 2025

Transcending Anxiety: From Fear to Freedom

Transcending Anxiety: From Fear to Freedom
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Manal El-Ramly opens up about her path from analytical engineer to spiritual guide. She reveals how the Matain Method empowers others to move from anxiety to peace by becoming aware of their physical, emotional, mental, and egoic bodies. Her message: true freedom begins with surrender and self-awareness.

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At the end of the day, it's not about what

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you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what

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you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,

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who you've made better, It's about what you've given back.

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Denzel Washington, welcome to inspire vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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to do the same.

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Fabulous, thank you for having me.

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On.

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As to have new people people and then they all

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have a slightly different and I find that so and

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so so important because because I identify different differently, so

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you know, first person person won't be So I'm really

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really excited to talk about what I love love for you,

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your journey, what, what, what? What brought you to this

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this what experience? Your life. Were you ready writing book

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this whole thing? Wow?

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You start off spicy, because that's a big.

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One, and you know, please please, And.

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You already said two things that made me want to

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have an immediate knee jerk reaction. One word you used,

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I'll use. The second one to use is that some

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people feel and other people may not, depending on the guest.

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And my intention and and my work is helping people

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move from knowing to feel. Because until we feel truth,

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knowing it is useless. So I hope that everybody I

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can touch everybody at one moment to feel our truth.

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Okay, okay, okay.

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That was one knee jerk, and the other was identity.

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I struggle so much with identity because ultimately we want

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to get to the I amness. So when someone asked,

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but you said, you said something better. You said, but

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I'll talk about your journey. About your journey, you didn't

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say who are you? So you made it much easier.

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What brought me here is I've always been a seeker,

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doctor dog. I've always been a secret, and I've always

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I remember I can remember as young as I don't

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even want to say an age, but as we be

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as I was always like what, like why are we here?

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And why am I life like this? And why is

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this life this person's life like this? And why is

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my religion or my culture or my skin color? Like

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why am I different? And and sort of having these

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like huge questions about existence. And so as a child,

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I had an amazing parents, an amazing I've got three brothers,

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but there's six of us. But my dad was the engineer,

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the analytic, the process orientor the root cause that the

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you know, thinking things were always through the mind. So

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I adopted and very I adopted that tasting of like

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being analytical, was very strong in the sciences, very strong

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in the maths, and went into engineering just to follow

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in my father's footsteps, not really knowing what it was.

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So did my bachelor's, master's mechanical engineer and approached life

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from a very mindy, very analytical, very architectural point of view.

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And then I have a beautiful, loving mother and she's

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very compassionate and loving and connecting and family and growth

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and and and be the best that you can. And

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spirituality was important and religion for both my parents, but

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she gave us the bubble of love. So I also

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had this like love of life and laughter and zeal

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and this beautiful embodiment of life from all of the

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love and the connection and these ideals of my mom Pinton.

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So fast forward, fast forward, had my children, bothering taught

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me so much, and professional engineer, software board, all these

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buzzwords that make you feel and look on piece of

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paper very successful. And then a moment came the other day.

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Someone called it my tower moment, a divorce. The relationship

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was no longer healthy. There was things that weren't sustainable,

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and for me, that was the greatest, biggest failure that

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could be. And all of the house of cards that

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I built crashed, and my identity the second time. The

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first time, my identity sort of crashed of being a mother,

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so going from professional to motherhood, but my identity crashed

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and who am I? Not only did I lose a partner,

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I also lose the family structure that we had. I

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also lost the identity of being a successful I'm going

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to put that in quotes and cursing. And couldn't even

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maintain a relationship with someone that I committed to for

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the rest of it. And so all of this crashed,

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and in there that those ass things started coming up

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really loud again. Because I was happy and satisfied in life,

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even though I wasn't satisfied in my relationship. I was like,

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I am lucky and I should be fortunate, and vice

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is the amazing and I have everything because I did.

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But with that crash came all these amazing questions, and

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in there I developed my voice. In sight Timer supported me,

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I'd go on there, do meditations. I nested all day

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and did meditations and fed myself so I could feed

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my kids. I knew I had to be full to

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feed them. And ultimately, after listening to so many meditations,

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I said, hey, I could do this, and I could

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hear in people's voices. I could hear I could hear

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their resistance, I could hear limiting thoughts, I could hear

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limiting beliefs, and so in there started my journey of

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my voice. So I'll pause because it's a throw it

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back to you, doctor Doug.

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Okay, that's fascinating. You know you said a lot of

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area that I imagine, and the first first thing I

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want I want to focus focus on and is not

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not who I am or you know you not not journey.

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More more importantly, I am and and and I think

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that that's I know what you mentioned religion, the family,

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what religious I'm from from?

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Uh?

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Which which is I.

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Actually deliberately don't say. And I'm happy to share, but

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I deliberately don't say, because then that puts me in

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the box of identity. And ultimately, I believe at the

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end of the day, we're all the same and I am.

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And there's a mystery, and everybody calls this mystery different words,

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whether it's God or the universe or Buddha or energy

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or vibration. So I am happy to say and I

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do say. But for me, my kids are like, Mom,

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why don't you, you know, want to talk about feminism?

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And I'm like, because I want us to get to

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all I am this. I want to get to where

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we see each other for the uniqueness that we individually

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show up as, and not our political party, not the

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skin color, and not our hair type and not our

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eye color, and not where we came from, because all

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of that is what divides ourselves and divides our ego.

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Well well, and I appreciate, And you're right, that's as

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far as as you know. You know where self come from?

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And what I what? I what I is is from

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a lot of a lot of different and we may

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make a different different things, but the same same time,

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it's there there, and and I think it's a lot

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a lot of people really really believe that. And and

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then that's what a lot of people they have that

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line with and I had that. That's the ash process.

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What what you came from? First? First a broad a

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book about it, motivated book.

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Okay, so my voice started to come up. And it's

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so interesting because I do a lot of meditations and lives,

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and in there I always guide my listeners too to

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look for where resistance might be. And I always come

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to my jaw and my throat, which is ultimately not

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speaking my truth. So as I started to do the meditations,

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I out would come frameworks. So first of all, let

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me tell you my company's name is. So it's my name.

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Manel means attainment in Arabic. So I took the M

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and put it in front of attained attain an ultimately,

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I'm about attained. Attain means attaining the life you desire,

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attaining your authentic truth. And ultimately, doctor Doug, speaking to

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your your reference, we all know, we all know we

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might articulate our knowing differently, So somebody might use the

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word god, somebody might use the word universe, somebody might

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use the word a law. But at the end of

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the day, it's this knowing of truth. Our expression of

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it is what comes out uniquely, but the truth is

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all synonymous. It's all the same.

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Challenge. You're there, okay, I don't we all? We all

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do and I and I as challenge for people is

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there's a lot of that don't recognize that that is

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within them, and then that is within them. And I

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think the process why why we are, quite honestly, is

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how we can start to identify and realize that there's

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so many that's all.

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Okay, I accept your challenge, and you're right, and you're right,

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you're dead on. So the language was poor, but sometimes

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it's deliberate because I like to empower us to know.

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We know, But you're right. Many of us are walking

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around unaware. Many of us are walking around with our

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eyes closed, our ears shut, remote and just streaming from

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pain and suffer and struggle and the hardness of life.

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Many of us are disconnected from our truth. And because

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of that, they're coming back to the question that you

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ask that I haven't answered yet. My book is called

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Transcending Anxiety from Fear to Freedom because of that, we're

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in anxiety or depression. We're in fear, we're in anger,

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We're in disconnection, we're in pain, we're in suffering, we're

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in struggle. We're in all these things because we're disconnected

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from our divine nature and our divine truth. So my

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language was sloppy, but sometimes it's deliberate when it's empowering,

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because I want all of our listeners to know. We

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know if you just close your eyes and there are moments.

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Even though doctor Doug, I agree with you one hundred

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percent that some people are walking around not knowing, but

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even those people, there are moments, whether they're I don't

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know why, I'm going to choose this example rollerblading or

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surfing or driving, or cooking or baking around the kitchen

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table with their families, there's moments that they know and

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they are laughing from a heartfelt place. They are feeling love,

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and they're feeling that.

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Maybe maybe just this glimmer, the small, the small, little

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ray of feeling like, oh, life is complete, and I

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appreciate being here, and maybe.

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The other nine nine point nine ninete nine nine nine

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percent the ayac.

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Well, well, yeah, yeah, I mean we we see that

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time now right now now in the United all the

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anger and the vision and it's I mean I have

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friends friends that that you know, they they were you

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know at least nex connection friends friends all of a

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sudden sudden all of this anger and host post hosting

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things on what what's going on? And and and so

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as we say that, you know you do you know

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what you what? You call them? That method?

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What is that?

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And let's let's go to I know I know them

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to have a number of story where with somebody? But

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could you hear one and then that story sory? Id

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you tell the really really struggling and then your melodology

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you were you?

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Yes, I would love to. It's another big question, but yes, absolutely,

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this is fine. Okay. So my method developed the more

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that I was trying to articulate during my meditations and

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my talks and my blogs the steps too. I got

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to use the word surrender, but it surrenders what the

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word that developed over time, but the steps to feel.

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At the beginning, I was looking for happiness, like I

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thought happiness and and now I call it X and

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X co be happiness, joy, flow, ease, surrender, laughter, abundance,

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whatever it is that we're looking for. So ultimately step

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one we already discussed it. Step one is just awareness,

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just awareness, if we just stop and become aware. And

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I sort of danced around loving the word resistance and

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again writing my meditations and talks. When I asking people

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to go into their bodies, I would say, see if

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you could feel sadness, and I'm like, nonl what if

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they're not feeling sad, See if they're feeling this specific

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thought of not being good enough? And I'm like, oh,

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now you just planted it, because that's what remember I

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said to you had listened to meditations, and then I'd

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feel good. But then they'd plant seeds in mind like wait,

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I wasn't thinking that, and then they planted it, and

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they're attempt to unplant it and take out a weed.

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such as resistance and resistant thoughts, and rather than name it,

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I give you the essence of we're looking for things

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that are troubling, but you use your language, you use

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how it's impacting you. It's so interesting. I'll use a

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work with client, and I'll say something and they'll say, no, no,

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I don't feel like I don't feel like I'm not

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good enough. And then they'll turn around and say I

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feel like I'm bad. So just that distinction exactly. So

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I will say something and it's so so clear to

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me that this is what the root of it is,

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and they'll go no, no, no, no, and I'm like, okay, okay,

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how would you verbalize it? And then there's this very

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slight tweak. So maybe it's not orange, but maybe it's

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burnt red. And there's a distinction between orange and burnt

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red is big enough that when I say orange, it

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doesn't resonate with them. So I started to come up

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with a framework that brings everything again the engineer, to

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the root cause, to the lowest common denominator. So instead

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of naming all these things, naming, shame, naming, guilt, naming, anger,

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naming all this, I say, what's your resistance? So ultimately

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I recognize that. So there's five steps and then I'll

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move through them. Step one is awareness, but it's awareness

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of our four bodies. Okay, they have four bodies or

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bodies are talking are physical. These are the physical sensations.

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So you know whether your neck hurts. I talked about

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my jaw and my throat that I could feel it

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opening up in a lot of energy in here because

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I want to speak my truth. People carrying things on

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their shoulders, carrying the load of life on their shoulders,

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they're back or they're abdomen is not feeling.

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and what we're feeling. So physical body, this is our

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physical sensation. Then our emotional body. Doctor Doug, I know

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you've had many podcasts about emotions and we're all we're

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all repressing them. We're all repressing them. This is our

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command center when we listen to our heart when we're happy,

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when we don't, we're upset, sad, depressed, and angry. So

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it's of wareness of what your emotional command center is

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saying to you. And I say how are you feeling?

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They say I woke up in a bad mood. No, No,

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how are you feeling? Sometimes there's three or four questions

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to get to I'm sad, I'm angry, I'm scared. It's

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so trusting how many layers we have to get through

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for someone to technowledge emotions. So the emotional body, awareness

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of our mental body. These are where there's so much

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going on right now about limiting thoughts in the mind.

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And but and and so this is where our processing

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has and not being able to control our thoughts. And

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this is where I'm unique, doctor Doug, that you can't

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control your thoughts without recognizing that there's a belief set,

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a belief set that's ultimately forming the lowest common denominator.

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We got to go to beliefs to recognize how they're

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impacting our thoughts.

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Well, challenge is sometimes it's so so trust they don't

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you don't even know what's that you have awareness to find?

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you're not in too much too much trouble, you know,

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you know, and when then have happened you see someone?

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What one emotion for you from this? And whatever? Why?

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Why? Why? And all you said, you know, there's there's

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things have child, childhood, there's whatever whatever had happened to

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be that that's those those emotions which really are not

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not the interest all right, anyway, you've got God, the

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emotional and then and then what's the next one.

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The egoic. The egoic is where we hold our identity

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in our beliefs. The egoic is ultimately where you said

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to me, he said, now I'm going to challenge you.

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Not everybody knows our truth. And this is where a

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lot of spiritual bodies call this the spiritual, like a

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lot of yo god, reiki and all they call this

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the spiritual body. I like to call it the egoic

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because spiritual implies there's resistance. This is exactly where the

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resistance resides in our goic body. And I believe that

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it's unconditional three. So there's three things that we have forgotten.

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We are unconditionally worthy. We have forgotten that we are love.

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We're looking for love, We're looking to be loved. We're

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looking for love. We are love, we are love. And

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then ultimately freedom. We're thinking that we're controlled and we're

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out of control, and we're looking for control, and we

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don't want to control, and we want to control. But

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ultimately we are all unconditionally free. And I call this

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the unconditional three. So worthiness, being good enough, perfectionism, all

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these things, love and freedom and Ultimately, when I'm working

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with now, you ask me to give a client example,

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and I talked a lot becaus I wanted to frame everything.

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When I work through with my clients, we go through

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this pro hype steps. So step one is awareness of

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your four bond bodies, and ultimately everything comes back to

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the belief set. And so what's not wanted is the

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opposite of what's not wanted is what's wanted. So if

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I don't want to be respect i've respected disrespected, I

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want to be respected. If I don't want to be

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somebody to be mean to me, I'm looking for love.

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If I don't want to be looked, if I don't

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want to be controlled, I'm looking for freedom. So everything

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that we're in pain from is because we're having an

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experience of something that's unwanted, and ultimately the opposite of

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this is what's wanted. So step one is awareness. Step

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two is an acknowledgment of everything is pushing on our

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desire for worthiness, freedom and love. And then so that's

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five steps. Four bodies, three states worthiness, love and freedom,

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three desires sorry, two states having it and have not.

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all leads to surrender. So I said this so sloppily

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that it looks so complicated, but the framework is then

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becoming aware. So let's go through a client. They come

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in and they said that they're fearing, very anxious and

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stressed out. And so I'm like, okay, fear and anxieties

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and acknowledged fear. It's fear that we're not seeing. So

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let's go and see what's going on in your body.

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there's tension in my shoulders and my heart feels really pained.

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sensations and see the emotion. I'll say, oh, I feel

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really really angry. Like okay, so what's the story. Let's

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go to the story. Oh, this morning my child was

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really disrespectful and upset me. And so then say, okay,

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let's go to the top. What's the belief that ultimately

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triggered this, The belief that I'm not a good parent,

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that I'm not good enough, that I'm out of control.

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the ultimate beliefs that sparked the series of tangential expressions

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of the four bodies. And then once you realize that

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you're not good enough or you're not feel free. There's

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almost this surge of relief that comes over people because

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you got to the root cause and the and the

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reason we're hurting, doctor Doc isn't because our child was

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disrespectful to us. It's because we believe that we're not

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good enough, and by seeing that expression, we will leave

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that pain.

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Okay, okay, go on one.

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the my ex my child, my this, my that did

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this to me? Oh my god, I feel like I'm

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never going to get this right, feel like I'm not

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good enough, so tired in life? When is this going

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to end? Starts to create this bubbles of like allowing

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the resistance that we're holding in our body to percolate

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to come out, and then there'll be more awareness underneath

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that anger.

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maybe a lifetime, And maybe you will go back and

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it will trigger thought of them being at home and

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sad or I've had people remember wetting themselves and being

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yelled at rather than being nurtured and cared for.

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I call it the deconstructing. I call it the cookie

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cutter that when we have a particular misbelief, it's a

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lifetime of misbeliefs. And for those beliefs and those that

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believe in prior lives, they might even see it happening.

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see it replicated in their mom or their dad and

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their grandparents. So I actually, when they're really willing to

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be aware, I'll say, well, where did you get this from?

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Go into your mom's womb. And at first they're like,

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I'm not going to know, and then they imagine themselves

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into their mother's womb, and they can feel the energy

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of their mother's fear, their mother's anxiety, and see where

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all of these beliefs are coming from. It's conditioning. It's

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the architecture of the human design, it's the architecture of life.

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So how do you get upset when you recognize this

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is the architecture. We're just vibrational beings picking up these

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these vibrational manifestations in our four bodies. And we're meant

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to become awake, become through awareness.

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Well I'm really reallyglar and and when it really really

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you're not not good enough. And I worked to working

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somewhere why when I when I my servation and and

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and and they were they were they were they were

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sweet Sweden and they say, so you know what, they're

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even even deeper by us that they were were saying

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that you my mynors and so ultimately were not connected.

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And and they take the process which was a little

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more and more and and and then programming and ultim

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I was in I was the womb and in then no,

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my my mother brother yellow yellowed my dad and saying

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you're no good And it's like wowow and and I

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and I think people people are set. It's such a

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such a point point is that we have that we've

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got got the n an a memory, whether parent and

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gurn and rhetoration fast that that's just so amazed how

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now that come out out and we have I have

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no necessarily where it came from, but but just just

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word awareness that there, that that that there there. I

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think that particulation ticularly were and become and ultimately recognized

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I guess what. It's not me. It's something that mean

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I will go.

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Beautiful, beautiful, And ultimately, what we're doing in there, doctor Doug,

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is we're deep personalizing the experiences that we're having.

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And leaning into the mystery of life. I use the

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word mystery because again it goes to the lowest common denominator.

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I don't like using the word God, because even the God.

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I love God, I love God. But it's a word

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that can get other people to react. So I say, mytory,

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the mystery, that there's a greater why, and lean into

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your beliefs. And so if your beliefs are in God,

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then lean into that and say, there's a greater mystery

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that we're here for something beyond the human physical journey

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that I'm experiencing. And once you can depersonalize and come

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out of it all of this, I'm gonna call it pain.

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All of these manifestations, all of these expressions start stop

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being so personal, even these interactions your your your spouse,

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your your children, your family members. It stops becoming so personal,

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and it starts becoming we can start to become more

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objective about well you.

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Talk about you can I about it. You're talking talking

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about but you're talking talking about I thought about I

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don't know book about about and he's talking about suffering

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and now ultimately can we get to get a point

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where where we do need to not suffer? But all

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to do with ego? And how how how do you

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lay like ego? Uh, they are hard to go go

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and then cause houses do things and then feel like

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you're like fans got to have how to have got

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to have house? What what happened to be? How does

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that lately back to those individual in French whatever whatever

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means to come from? How do you find that that lately?

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And how do you how do you help me to

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starting to eleminate that that ego go literally effecting their

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lives and not not a positive way.

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Okay, first of all, how I have to say I

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love you and you keep asking me like these big

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questions that I'm given like these I haven't even said

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the five steps yet. I'm like I still have said that.

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Always.

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That's why I'm like, am I you closing? No? Now

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00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.599
are you closing your answers? But I love that question.

465
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.839
And me and I have a spiritual girlfriend, like obviously

466
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:09.680
she's a girlfriend, but she's the one that we do

467
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:13.640
the spirituality, howow together? And she's like, why are we

468
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.000
like we ask ourselves the big questions. And today, even

469
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:19.400
the morning before we got onto this, there's big texting

470
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.759
about why do we have to do this? You know,

471
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:24.880
why do we have to go through expansion? And I'm like, oh,

472
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:26.839
it's not the expansion in hurts. It's not the growing,

473
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:30.680
it's the growing pains. So the ego, Okay, I believe

474
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:33.079
we all have an ego, we all have an ego.

475
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:35.799
If there is a part of my mind, if there's

476
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:38.640
a part of me that I'm going to have, so

477
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:41.279
I'm telling you the reason I call it the egoic body,

478
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.480
if there is a part of me within me, then

479
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:49.920
manw manw al Ramley, she's gonna love it. She's going

480
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:54.319
to love it because I have learned that to be

481
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:56.839
in the best place, I need to love my body.

482
00:29:57.279 --> 00:29:59.279
To be in the best place, I need to love

483
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.119
my my myself like love my heart. To being the

484
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:04.319
best place, I have to find respect and honor and

485
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.000
love for my mind. And so if I have an ego,

486
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:11.519
then I have to love it. So my question was,

487
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.519
why are we framing it as bad? And how do

488
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.480
I love it. So this is where I turn and

489
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.880
the reason I used the Goic body because again, just

490
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.359
like I said, we all know truth, and you challenged

491
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:26.400
me on that and I said, yes, doctor Doug, You're right.

492
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:29.720
There are so many of us walking around unaware. I

493
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:32.160
want this goic body to be used in a way

494
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.279
that we start seeing it as our mental body, our

495
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.759
emotional body, as physical body, as some part of our body. Now,

496
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.839
what hurts and what I believe you Kurt Tole is

497
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:45.519
talking about is a resistant ego. The resistant ego. This

498
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:47.680
is the ego that does not believe that we're good enough.

499
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:49.759
This is the ego that's looking for love rather than

500
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.319
realizing we are love. This is the ego that looks

501
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:56.039
and feels out of control rather than realizing we are freedom.

502
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.559
And ultimately, this non existent ego, this is the one

503
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.359
that walks around and everybody loves Manow. They love how

504
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:06.960
she shows up, They love her. This is my ego.

505
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.559
So I don't know if you'd listened to Abraham Hicks

506
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:14.880
or listened to your listeners. Okay, I really I know

507
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:20.920
that she's channeling, but that's esther, that's esther. Sometimes I

508
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:24.160
can receive her the same messages. I'll be listening to

509
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:27.079
it and I receive a message and I'm like, oh no,

510
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:32.359
she's not saying, oh you humans, She's saying, celebrate your humanness.

511
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:37.880
So Manow's ego picks up the channels of Abraham, that

512
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.119
Abraham that Esther is receiving, because I'm receiving it too.

513
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:43.119
Even though it's on audio, we can still receive it.

514
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:45.880
I'm picking it up. And sometimes me and her would

515
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:49.559
say exactly the same thing. And sometimes I'd be like, oh, Esther, no,

516
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.640
that's not how what they said. And then sometimes I'd

517
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:57.559
be like, oh, wow, Esther, I heard it more distorted.

518
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.000
And so I appreciate that you're clean and vibrationally in

519
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:03.319
that way, and that you received it in a way

520
00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:08.200
that I can expand my self worth, expand my self love,

521
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:13.559
expand my my understanding of freedom. So our egos are

522
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:18.519
distorting and listening and perceiving, and once we get to

523
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:21.920
this non resistant ego, and I believe that's where sort

524
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:29.039
of our un infinite connection to source becomes. So when

525
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:34.039
I know, yes, all right, I know I appreciate and you're.

526
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.599
Different than what I and I but but I, but

527
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:44.079
I appreciate because that resist and then that's really really

528
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:48.200
causes us to try to try to do good when fact,

529
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:57.880
you know I am. That was good. So go at

530
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number one.

531
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Step number one is awareness of the four bodies, going two.

532
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.680
Step number two is acknowledgment of what is desired. So

533
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:12.880
when we're in pain, with step one, we're saying, I

534
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:16.799
don't want to be disrespected, I don't want to feel anger.

535
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.160
I don't want to be hated, I don't want So

536
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:21.720
there's all these what we don't want in step one

537
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.599
when we become awareness, and then step two is acknowledgment

538
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:29.279
of what is desired. And it's always in always some

539
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.160
version of the unconditional three that I want to be

540
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.680
good enough. I want to feel worthy. I want to

541
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.279
be valued. I want to be seen. I want to

542
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.599
feel love. I want to feel loved. I want to

543
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:43.119
be happy. I want inner peace, I want to feel free.

544
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.119
I don't want to be controlled, I want to be free.

545
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.839
So step two is acknowledgment of what is desired. So

546
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.440
step one is like I'm in pain, my four bodies

547
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.359
are screaming out. Step two is like, oh my god,

548
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:59.039
I just want Step three is about appreciation, and I

549
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.480
put up my finger like this for anybody that's watching

550
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:05.880
it to say, it's not intellectual appreciation. I am not

551
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:10.599
turned around and intellectualizing. I should be happy first world problems.

552
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:15.679
Da da da da. Now I'm embodying a recognition of

553
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:17.800
If we go back doctor Doug to the conversation that

554
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.719
we talked about this awesome curiosity, that's like, oh my god,

555
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.800
I heard it in the womb. My mom was saying

556
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.639
that to my dad. There's a vibrational element to this.

557
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.239
This is the conditioning of life. There's a greater mystery,

558
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.719
and I'm part of this mystery. So we stop personalizing

559
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.199
it in the physical body, and we move out and

560
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:43.519
we start to have this sort of spiritual understanding and

561
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:48.639
compassion for the physical being from a higher state. I

562
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:51.639
call it, go into a third party observer, look at

563
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:55.079
it from outside of your body. See what would God think,

564
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:58.119
what would Jesus say? Whatever it might be that gets

565
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:01.280
you outside of your paid and into a greater level

566
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:05.639
of awareness. Step three is appreciation. Then step four is

567
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.800
my favorites. They're all my favorite steps. Step four I

568
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:11.840
used to call it letting go and release, but it

569
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:14.639
felt like you needed to do something now. Step four

570
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:21.679
is just allowing. Allowing, allows the sensations. If you somebody died,

571
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.079
you're going to actually be sad. The pain is the

572
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:28.800
resistance to the sadness, not the sadness. Allow the expressions,

573
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.639
Allow the physical sensations go into your body and dance

574
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.320
with the anger. Allow it. And that doesn't mean kicking

575
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.679
the wall. Or one of my clients would say, man, all,

576
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:40.360
I don't want to kick the dog, and I'm like, no,

577
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:44.079
that's not what I'm saying. Just allow the percolation of

578
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:47.159
the anger to come to the surface, and was that

579
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:52.000
surface comes and what's left behind is your truth, your light,

580
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:58.599
your embodiment of everything, your infinite power. And then step

581
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:03.400
five is surrender by the surrender. Surrender. If I had

582
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:05.800
to pick one word that I love in the human

583
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.920
the human journey, it would be surrender. And so it's

584
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.079
mastery of sort of like mastery of steps one through

585
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.800
four takes us into surrender. And so something happens in

586
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.079
life and we're surrendered because we recognize that there's a

587
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:23.639
higher meaning, that there's a mystery, that everything is okay,

588
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:28.719
and not from an intellectual but just sort of like life,

589
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:34.880
and we're surrendered to accepting the unfolding of life by

590
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.639
our maker, by the universe, by vibration, and we're just

591
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:40.079
sort of in surrender.

592
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:54.039
Okay. So your story of lady that you were real quickly,

593
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:55.719
why why?

594
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:56.159
What was?

595
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.400
And had stem only I have.

596
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:06.559
Quick Okay. The end result is a sense peace. The

597
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.679
end result is a sense of inner understanding. So it

598
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:16.880
moves from personalizing what's going on to a such sense

599
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:22.639
of compassion for the complexities of the manifestations of the

600
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:26.559
human's expression. And I'm just trying to say it quickly

601
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:32.400
because you asked me. But what what my clients, slash followers,

602
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.920
slash listeners end up The feeling that they end up

603
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:42.880
getting is a sense of empowerment, a sense of appreciation

604
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:48.800
for any expression of their emotional body. So one of

605
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.360
my clients, and I don't know if I'm going off tag,

606
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:53.039
but I feel like I'm answering your question.

607
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:54.320
The way that.

608
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:58.519
They got broke up. They were dating somebody and broke

609
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:03.239
up on a weekend. He handed up, like really badly

610
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:05.960
breaking up with her, and she was really upset, and

611
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:10.000
she said, I said to myself, what would MANW do? WWMD,

612
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:13.079
what would MANW do? And she said that she just

613
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.199
honored what she was going through. That she honored that

614
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:19.199
she was sad, She honored that, she recognized that it

615
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.360
made her feel unworthy. She honored that it felt like

616
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.079
am I ever going to find love? And she went

617
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:28.320
straight to her egoic body and went to the root

618
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.960
cause of her pain, which wasn't that he broke up

619
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.400
with her. There's a million fish in the sea. It

620
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:38.000
was that from there it reinforced this misbelief that she

621
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.119
is not good enough. And when she went to that,

622
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:44.599
and she nurtured that feeling that she had the sense

623
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.519
of empowerment and recognition that she's a human on this

624
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.199
human journey and she's meant to grow and expand, and

625
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.880
some of her growth and expansion is her recalibrating to

626
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:57.400
her infinite unconditional worthiness, love and freedom. And we will

627
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.800
only be fully calibrated to it in an infinite matter

628
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.880
when we die. But you know, everybody's like, now, when

629
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:05.960
are we going to get it? I'm like, where we go?

630
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.760
Well, well, and yeah, and I love and I love

631
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:16.639
love this because well, just render, render, And here's here's

632
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:21.559
the coom that as as we render, we become impal Howard.

633
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.400
And you know people who can think about that that

634
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:26.760
way when they are surrender rendering there and they're not.

635
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.639
The bottom line line is what you're taught about one render,

636
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:35.400
render and all all the stage recognize where these feelings

637
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:39.599
they render it to it. Maybe Howard and and I

638
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:43.760
and I love that as as we close for you,

639
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.599
sure you talk about a lot of things. What what

640
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:50.880
some your my mind? As far as message that you

641
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:52.960
you tore about the audience.

642
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:55.760
I would love to share with the audience that we

643
00:39:56.199 --> 00:40:01.079
are so fortunate to be on this uman journey. That

644
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:06.400
when we can embrace this and embody this authentic from

645
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:14.119
our four bodies excitement, zeal, celebration of our unique human

646
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:20.039
experience which is all of the range of emotions and experiences,

647
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:23.840
then the taste of life starts to come from a

648
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:30.360
place of peace, ease, flow and surrender. And I believe

649
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:35.559
in end that we can also enjoy the physical manifestations,

650
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:41.360
the large house, the car, the bank account, the adventures,

651
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.800
but when we do it from a place of surrender

652
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:48.360
and celebration and not from a place of ego want

653
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:53.320
and it measuring our worth, our love or in our freedom.

654
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:58.480
That's what I want to share. Celebrate our humanness. I

655
00:40:58.599 --> 00:40:59.480
love it. I love it.

656
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Thank you?

657
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:02.639
So how did people find you? They can find me

658
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.480
on my website www dot mattain dot com and if

659
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.800
you go www dot mattain dot com slot join us.

660
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There's some goodies that I'd love for them to get.

661
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I'm on insight Timer MANW Mattaine m A T t

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a I N. And I'm on all of the major

663
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social media Instagram and Facebook and YouTube as Mattaine m

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A T T A I N by man L m

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A n a L and LinkedIn on MANL. L. Ramley.

666
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So I'd love for to be connected, and I said

667
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.679
insight Timer, yes I did so, I'd love for them

668
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.480
to reach out. Oh and my book on Amazon Transcending

669
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Anxiety from Fear to Freedom by MANW. L. Ramley E

670
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L hyphen r A M L Y. That's where they

671
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.719
can find me. And I'm excited. This was such an

672
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:52.760
amazing conversation. And you push me, you pushed me, doctor Dogman. Well,

673
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I'm glad.

674
00:41:53.760 --> 00:42:00.280
I'm glad you have surrendered to that because I've had

675
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.199
other people say, Man, you asked some tough questions sometimes,

676
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:06.000
but that's been wonderful. It's been wonderful.

677
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:06.199
Man.

678
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Now, thank you so much, and folks, I hope you

679
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:12.360
really have enjoyed this. This is so fascinating and manal.

680
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.159
You've offered such incredible insights and I love how you've

681
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:19.440
approached this, so thank you so much for that, and

682
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:22.199
thank you so much for what you're doing in making

683
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.000
a difference in people's lives.

684
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Fabils, and I'd like to thank you too. You're just

685
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:30.639
so I want to see the word complex in a

686
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:35.440
good way. And I really enjoyed today's conversation and I

687
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:37.880
appreciate everything that you are giving back to the world

688
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:38.280
as well.

689
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.679
Oh well, thanks and folks, thanks for listening. I hope

690
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you've really enjoyed this one, and I hope that you'll

691
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join us again soon on one of our next shows.

692
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This is a doctor Doug saying, Nona stay