June 30, 2025

From Terminal Cancer to Transformational Healing: Pooja Bakhai’s Journey

From Terminal Cancer to Transformational Healing: Pooja Bakhai’s Journey
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Pooja Bakhai shares her incredible journey from a terminal cancer diagnosis to complete healing through deep self-exploration, plant medicine, and energetic alchemy. Discover how confronting trauma, trusting intuition, and embracing conscious living transformed her life—and how it can transform yours.

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you have or even what you've accomplished. It's about what

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you've done with those accomplishments. It's about who you've lifted up,

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who you've made better. It's about what you've given back.

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Denzel Washington, welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is

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to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you

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to do the same.

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Hear, Joe, Welcome to the show.

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Thank you.

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Hey, I'm excited. So where, if where are you living.

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I'm living in North Carolina, Raleigh, North Carolina.

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All right, great, And you know, as I've read your biolin,

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as i've read you got on your website and so forth,

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I'm fascinated by your journey and i'd like you I'd

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like for you to share with the audience. You know,

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it's always interesting and I say this every time, but

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it's true. It's always interesting to find out how people

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have reached this point in their life where they're doing

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what they're doing, because it's not always what you plan

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to do.

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Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah. Do you want me

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to start right now and go ahead?

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Yeah, go ahead and go for it?

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Well I have, Yeah, I do have a uniquely wild journey.

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I feel it really started for me. The turning point

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was my terminal cancer diagnosis, which was in twenty nineteen.

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And at that time I was a student PhD student

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at Harvard and I thought I was living like my

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dream life, because you know, I was doing something that

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I could use to help people, and I was learning,

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and I was at a dream school. And when I

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got the diagnosis, I just was really confronted with many

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many things because it was I was so close to death.

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I really it really changed my perspective on life. And

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I'm not gonna lie. Up until that cancer diagnosis, I

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had a lot of other illnesses that were sort of

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overlooked or not diagnosed or mysterious like couldn't be explained.

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And so this diagnosis was something like it just demanded

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my attention. Yeah and yeah, just at that time, I

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started questioning a lot of things in my life. And obviously,

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you know, one of the things I question is just

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like why am I doing what I'm doing? Why am

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I living the way I'm living? And is it truly

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what fills me up? Because I think if I was,

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I don't think I would have gotten sick, That's my belief.

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I don't think my body would have asked for this redirection.

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And so I really tuned into my body and it

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felt like to me that it was asking me to

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pause and look at look at it, and look at

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this and say, what what's going on? And through this

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process I found a different path. The path that I

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found was completely on plant, and it took me to

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four different countries. I worked with a lot of different

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plant medicines. I had never worked with anything like that before.

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I had to make a lot of intuitive decisions just

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following my gut. And I think for me, a lot

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of people, some people get in diagnosis of an illness

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and they cure the illness and they're on their way.

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They don't really necessarily upheapal their life like I did.

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But for me, as you can tell, it felt like

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there was something deeper going on, so I just needed

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time to explore that and understand what was really going on.

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And throughout my journey, I basically unveiled a lot of

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repressed trauma that I had for my childhood. And that's

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really something today that has completely changed my life again,

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but in a better way because it's the better way

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because it's the truth, and it allows me to fully

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be grounded in a more honest reality of my own

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body and my own relationship with the world around me

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and my own self. And I think that for me

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has been really beautiful. And this whole journey has also

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sort of mirrored the growth of my business and the

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work that I do with my clients. So it's been

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beautiful to be able to go on this journey of

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healing and also to be able to give back that

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that that helps me just stay stay the course even

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when it gets hard, because it brings me a lot

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of meaning. And I know that that's why I'm here,

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you know, on Earth with us. So many of us

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are here well.

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And you mentioned that you traveled to a number of

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different countries and you were doing plant medicine and that

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type of thing.

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How if I can ask, how is your cancer?

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It's cured?

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Is cured?

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Yes? And did that?

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And did that happen?

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I mean, what does your doctors say when you come

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back to your check up and there's no cancer?

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They my cancer. Actually, I'm going to give you. I'm

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going to tell you a little secret. My cancer went

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away fairly quickly. Wow, Like I'm telling you within a month.

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That's something. Yeah, And I don't talk about that a

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lot because it's hard for people to understand that, and

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even it's hard for me to understand that. Sometimes. It

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took me a while to wrap my mind around it, honestly,

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and the doctors didn't believe it.

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So but this was this was terminal you said, terminal cancer.

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So it was a stage four stage four holy cow.

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Yeah, And that's what what told me that I was

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doing something, like something was going on. That was like,

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I mean, it didn't develop overnight, and yeah, it went

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away so quickly that it's like it does make you.

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It does make you think like, what's what's really going

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on here? And the reason I started going and doing

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that healing work is because while the cancer was gone,

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my body was in very very wor shape like I

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had a lot of other strange illnesses, and I kept

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telling ask the doctors what is going on? And I

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kept thinking I still have cancer. Must be cancer. They

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were like, no, it's it's gone. We don't know what

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it is. We can't help you.

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So did it just go away without you doing any

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time plant and any type of work? Or were you

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doing some things? And when you can kind of align

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with what you were doing with it going away?

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I did have two courses, so the full treatment is

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twelve courses of chemo. And at the time I wasn't

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like on this traditional medicine path or understanding energy the

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way I do now. I was a biology major college

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and I taught biology to high school students. So I

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when I tell you, I really had a shift. It

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was a really big shift. And I come from a

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family of Western medicine doctors U and oncologists mind you,

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So for people who don't know what that is, it's

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people who treat you know, doctors who treat cancer. So I,

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you know, I at the time, my relationship with my

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family was I felt like I couldn't just I didn't

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want to do the western medicine treatment, but I didn't

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feel I wasn't brave enough to stand up to my

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entire family and be like, I'm just gonna just gonna

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wing it, you know, and just just figure it out. So, yeah,

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it was two courses of chemo and that's still really

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that really confused the doctors. Yeah, they were like, no,

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you got to finish the chemo. We don't we don't,

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we don't fee what we're seeing essentially, Yeah, even though

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that's what shows on the scan. So yeah, it's a

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good question.

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Well, that's amazing because as you started to travel, obviously

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you got into plant medicine and that type of thing.

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What else, what else as you were traveling did you do?

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And then we're going to kind of talk about what

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you do now and some of the philosophy behind that,

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particularly the philosophy of energetic alchemy.

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Well, when I was traveling, so you know, I had

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travel before, I'm not I wasn't new to traveling. I'm

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also from India and I was born in the States,

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so my families immigrated from India and had me in

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the States. I always felt a strong connection to India

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and I speak my native tongue is Gujarati and so

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I I had traveled there many times on my own

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and also with my family. I had lived there on

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my own for a period of time. And I had

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lived in Chile during college as a study abroad that

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I extended because I think, I just, I just I

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just enjoyed learning in different cultures and learning different languages

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and just immersing myself in a new environment. It is

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really really I loved it. And I and I know

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you live in I think Thailand, is that.

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Right, I'm in Thailand right now, yes, yeah, So it's not.

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You know, I pay attention to stuff like that because

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I think there are certain types of people who just

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are called to that more or who want to go

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and you know, experience other other environments and other places.

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So I first went to Mexico, and oh, I said

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that whole history, because my previous travels were usually pretty planned.

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I mean it was like I would be working a

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regular job or a student, and then on my breaks

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or like first study brought, I would go. This type

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of travel was not that kind of thing. This was

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like I picked up all my stuff and I just

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went and I did no plan. And my intention was

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really to learn and to heal and to connect. I mean,

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I didn't really have. It wasn't like I was going

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on vacation, even though a lot of people thought that's

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what I was doing. So I went to Mexico first,

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and that just happened through just a series of coincidences.

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I met some people they said, Oh, we have a

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room available, you can stay at our house. Oh, actually,

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we're not going to be in our home. You could

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just stay there as long as you want until we

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get back. So I was there for three months and

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I had a lot of breakthroughs there and then I'm

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actually telling this story very shortly, in a couple of

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weeks on stage. But I was actually talking to a tree.

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People think I'm crazy when I say I talked to

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plants or animals. Maybe maybe some people know how to

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talk to animals, they might talk to their companions. But uh,

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I was sitting by this tree and it essentially had

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a moment with it, and I was asking for guidance.

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And I mean I did that intuitively. I don't I

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don't know why I did that, but I did it intuitively,

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and the tree tree provided some guidance of your you're

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going You're going to the Amazon jungle next, and I I,

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this wasn't like a mental game for me, Like, I

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started to cry. I felt it so much. I felt

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like it's like when somebody tells me something that's like

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really resonates with you. I started crying. I told my

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friend I left to voice no for him because I

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needed to just make sure this was real. I was like,

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I'm just telling you, so when it happens, you can

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you can be like Pooji, You're not crazy, you know.

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But he he always supports me, and so yeah, I

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ended up going to the ended up happening. A few

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days later, I got a in touch with my friend's

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brother who had some land in Ecuador. He wasn't living

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in the Amazon jungle, but he had just bought that

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land and he was like, just come on over and

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see where you you know, see where you see where

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it takes you. I said, well, yeah, that's the kind

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of drena I'm on. So I'll think about it. And

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a couple of weeks later, I felt like I had

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enough signs and support from the universe and from inside

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that I felt like it's the right thing to do.

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So I bought my ticket, went to Ecuador, and in Ecuador,

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I started off at Mindo. That's where this uh, this

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friend's land is. That's where I met my now husband

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and dog five years ago. Yeah. Crazy. And then a

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week later the guy I met, so I met my

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husband and another guy there and we that was one

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of the first ceremonies that I was in Ecuador. And

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after the ceremony, the guy who had come to hold

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the ceremony, he said, Oh, we're going to the jungle

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next week. You want to come with us. I was like, Oh,

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here we go, Here we go. It's happening, you know.

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people went to the jungle that that that time. But

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then we ended up living in the Colombian Amazon rainforest

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almost a year after that.

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Yeah. And you know, with plant medicine, and I'll just

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say this, I have no idea if people listening have

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a connection with plant medicine or have work with it,

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but I do like to talk about a period of

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integration that's so so important, which is just time away

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from the plant medicine. I think integration is important has

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been important for me with any big life changing experience

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because it's like for me, I like to have that

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space to understand how to apply it, how to how

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to change my life based on what I have, what

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I have learned. And it's hard, you know, to make

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change it. Sometimes it takes.

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It's really tough.

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And you know, as you did that, and as you've

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gone on and on, and now you're at this point

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in time where you're working with people, you're coaching people,

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and and I guess, as we talk about and I

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brought it up initially, the the energetic alchemy, you know,

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and that's on your website. I want to understand explain

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to the people what that means, and then we can

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talk about kind of what your thoughts are about all

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of that and so forth.

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Okay, Well, the way I see it, and I mean,

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I think science is sort of patching up in a

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lot of ways with quantum physics and everything. And is

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that energy? I mean, and if science has that energy,

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you know, energy matter can be transformed. You can't create

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it or destroy.

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It, right, And.

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The way I see it, in simple terms, it's just that.

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And so I think it's beautiful when you apply that

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principle to coaching because it gives people an opportunity to

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not shy away from. So energy is a neutral term.

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It's like if I'm feeling in an emotion and I

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like this, I heard this emotion energy and motion. If

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I'm feeling an emotion of grief or pain or rage,

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these are very human human emotions and people on this earth,

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everybody has had some type of difficult experience or challenging experience.

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And so I like this energy view on energy because

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it doesn't take a judgment on what you're bringing to

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the table. Whatever you've got, the cancer is just energy.

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It's just energy. And then once we know what is

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this energy, what's in there is? What is it about?

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Why is it there? Because the physical for me, the

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physical is a last layer, last layer. A lot of

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energies are you can feel it, like when you sit

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down with somebody, you can feel sometimes you might all

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of a sudden start feeling tired, or sometimes you might

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start having certain thoughts. Even if you really pay attention,

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what environment are you in, what's going on? That's all energy.

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It speaks all of the time. In nature, you sit

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by a tree, you might feel different than if you

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go and sit next to sit in the inside of

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an elevator with the doors closed. It's different. So this

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this energy, once we become aware of it, whatever it

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is in our lives that we want to change, to

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become aware of it, it's much easier to change it,

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and we can do it without judgment. We can really

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embrace it and learn about it, become curious, and then

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we can change it. We have that power.

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Well, as you mentioned, you know, you had various illnesses,

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including the cancer, and you reference the fact that you

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thought it kind of went back to a lot of

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your childhood experiences. Can you do you mind being a

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little bit transparent about that and talk a little bit

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about how your experience and those subconscious experiences that you have,

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which I would assume we're mostly subconscious, Yeah, affected your health.

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And as you work with people, now, how do you

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help them to understand that. You know, if they're not

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feeling wealth, they're feeling sick. So many times it can

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be related to things in that subconscious experience that they

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just don't even know is happening.

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Yeah, it's wild, and it definitely can be It's definitely

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it can be a hard thing to do sometimes because

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it really asks us to take a lot of responsibility

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over what's happening in our bodies. And a lot of

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times when the body's asking us for attention, are expressing

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something and energy, it's doing it because we haven't paid

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attention to that subconscious trauma or thought or belief, right,

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And so of course there's an initial level of resistance.

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So let me first talk about my experience and then

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I can talk about how I address it with clients.

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So for me, it was just step by step by step.

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First step was I knew to trust my intuition that

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this was something deeper. I was doing a lot of

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things in my life, and I just looked around. I said,

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a lot of other people are doing these things, but

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they don't have terminal cancer, stage four cancer. So I'm

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not blaming myself, but I am curious as to what's

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going on with me. I'm young, I've been eating well,

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I've been exercising my entire life. I've been running marathons.

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I've been teaching yoga, doing yoga. What's up? What's up?

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So just getting curious is step one. And knowing and

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understanding and following that and the knowing of that I

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had that this is something deeper, and then honestly, I

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started noticing it in smaller ways in my body. First,

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like the cancer itself. That was a big beast to

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tackle energetically because it's wrong, right, But I started noticing

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it with simple things like first. And I can't really

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explain it. I mean, I met a lot of different healers,

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like acupuncturists and energy healers, people who learn who know

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more about Eastern medicine, where there is more of a

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connection between where they talk about the body as as

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a form of nature, and there's you know, there's a

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lot of connections between what's going on within your subconscious

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and what's going on in your life, and I mean

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in your body. So I met these acupuncturists, I read

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some movies. Hey, I don't know if anybody here has

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read her work, but she has essentially a chart. She

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breaks it down because she saw so many people with

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reoccurring illnesses and mental patterns so to speak, and they're

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general patterns that she saw were associated with those illnesses.

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And I saw I'm trying to give an example, but

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I saw like a correlation. It was kind of beautiful

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the way that I saw it saw it because it

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was like a metaph It was like poetry, like a

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bit metaphorical. So like, let's say I have a problem

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with my leg or my ankle. Let's say I twist

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my ankle. What is the foot used for? What is

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the ankle used for? Let's think about it. Okay, well,

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my ankle. It helps my foot move. And what does

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my foot do for the body. It helps me walk,

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it helps me ron, it helps me skip, But figuratively

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or metaphorically, it helps me walk forward, move forward, right,

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And I mean, obviously you can walk backward. But we

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know what I'm sort of getting at. And so I

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remember an acupuncturist giving that example when she taught a

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course about this that I took early on in my

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cancer journey, and she said, you know, she had experienced that,

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and then she had done some journaling about it, and

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she had become aware that this was because she was

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afraid of taking a certain next step, that she had

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this angle injury. And she said it healed, you know,

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fairly quickly after she figured that out. I'm like, well,

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that's crazy, that's crazy. Do you just have to pay

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attention to it and then it just heals itself. It's

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like a conversation, And I think Over the years i've played,

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I have had enough things have come up in my

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body to have to attend to them, and I've healed

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a lot of different a lot of different things by now.

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One big thing, one big issue I was having after

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my cancer was my thyroid. I was like, all of

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a sudden, had thyroid issues. They had no idea why,

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but my thyroid hormones were all out of whack. And

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you think about it, what is the thyroid. It's the

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throat chakra. It's here in the throat chukra, and what

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do we use the throat for. The throat chukra symbolizes

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our ability to stand in our truth, to speak our truth.

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And at that time, now I understand at that time,

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I was going through an entire identity shift, and I

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had no idea how to stand and speak into my truth.

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It took me years to become confident in this new

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way of being, in this new way I was living

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my life, and I had a lot of initial criticism.

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It makes sense why I was scared, but I started

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to understand that once I started to look at things

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in this way, it really helped. And for me, the

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cancer was a big one. And I gave you those

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small examples, so you're not shocked when you hear this

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one with the cancer Journey. It took me longer to

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understand what that was because in Louise Hay's book, and

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I think in general, cancer is seen as something that

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is built up anger and resentment, like deep, deep, deep,

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deep resentment. And it makes sense because if we resent

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something enough, we kind of just want to end. We

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get to the point where we just don't want to

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live anymore. That's I mean, and I think that's what

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it was for me, honestly.

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Well, I mean, you referenced that book.

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So does the book talk about different ailments and how

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that realized different emotional things? Uh?

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In a poetic way. It's a book of poetry. And

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I do have a series of poems where the cancer

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speaking to me, and it's called love Letters from Cancer

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from uh huh and so yeah and that and that.

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In those set of poems, it just the cancer. It

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was after I was healed. But essentially it was like, well,

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the cancer was healed, but I don't think the energy

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was healed. And so the cancer was like cluing me

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in on some of the things that were going on,

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and the childhood traumas essentially that I uncovered was a

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lot of childhood sexual abuse and traffic. Yes, and that

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is that it's still the memories are still coming back.

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The floodgates opened years ago. But when I uncovered those,

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I really was able to understand. Wow, this this makes

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a lot of sense to why I not just had

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the cancer, but I had so many illnesses growing up

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as a child that I, uh, I couldn't figure out well.

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And that's that's fascinating to me, because what you're really

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saying is if you were experiencing trafficking and those type

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of things as a child and yet you did not

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remember any of that initially. Yeah, no, Wow, that is something.

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And I can't say there were no clues, like other

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than the illnesses I had had some like nightmares, you know,

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and a lot of times for survivors of that kind

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of thing, memories do come back in dream time because

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it's like a safer place and it's also the place

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where the subconscious and the unconscious is working. And yeah,

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I had had some clues. I had some I had

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I would say memories now, but at the time, I

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just I said, no, that's not possible because a lot

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of the people who were involved, were family members. So

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I kept Yeah, I was going to say, this is impossible,

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this is impossible.

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It sounds like you came It sounds like you came

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from a good family. I mean, here you are at Harvard,

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working on your PhD, able to travel, You're doing all

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of that, and yet somewhere along the line those memories

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started to come to light.

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Yeah, it was devastating, but it was really really liberating

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at the same time as paradox.

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Well, and you know, you know what I find, and

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you know, I look at my life, and I look

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at others, and as I've researched and looked at all

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of this, what I find is sometimes we find ourselves.

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Inclined to behave a certain way.

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For instance, I know that my grandfather used to, you know,

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hit my dad with a belt, and I'm sure that

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he got hit with a belt and so on and

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so forth.

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My dad literally changed that.

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There were six children, we never got spain ever, and

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so he literally changed that. But what I recognize is

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so often we have that DNA memory, or we have

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those subconscious elements that we just don't remember that are

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so much affecting our lives.

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And as you say, some if it really causes a

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lot of stress.

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From a scientific standpoint, Now you have that rise in cortisol,

468
00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:05.240
and even though you're not aware that that stress is there,

469
00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.799
subconsciously it is. The cortisol arises and that can cause

470
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:13.240
all sorts of health issues. So to me, that's fascinating.

471
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.880
The other thing I find fascinating is you, as you've

472
00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:19.799
been starting to talk about this is talking about because

473
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:24.799
you've obviously started to blend the ancient elements with the

474
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:29.119
modern elements. And you know, I've been recently fascinated by

475
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.000
Vedic meditation.

476
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:33.400
And philosophy and so forth.

477
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:37.400
And what I found which is so interesting is that

478
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:44.319
there's one specific quote in the early Vedic statements that

479
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:48.079
talks about the fact that there are neural I'll use

480
00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:52.680
modern Daid language, but there are neural pathways that can

481
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.000
be changed. And now we have science showing us that

482
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.920
that can happen. And so, as you're working with people,

483
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:05.799
how do you bring in that ancient Eastern philosophy with

484
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.920
the modern philosophy and how well is it accepted?

485
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:14.759
Well, I would say people love it. I do it

486
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.079
pretty like you like how you just explain it to

487
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.319
the audience, and to me, in words that we understood

488
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:28.640
or in a way we understood. I don't usually, you know,

489
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:31.680
it's like I don't start speaking in my native tongue

490
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:35.279
or start sharing even things that the indigenous communities that

491
00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:37.240
we lived with may have shared in their ways or

492
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:41.279
their words with us. I always share it in a

493
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.680
way that's relatable with people. And I think the coolest

494
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:49.799
thing I've noticed is that people also have today in

495
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.400
the modern world. People that live here in the States

496
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:56.160
are going about their lives, they have the people who

497
00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:03.079
come to me have this yearning to actually incorporate these

498
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.119
ancient practices in their life because it's almost like a remembrance.

499
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:10.960
You're talking about DNA memories and things being passed generationally

500
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:15.039
that are painful. Yeah, and then there's also DNA memories

501
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.759
and things being passed and generationally that are where we're

502
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.640
deeply connected to the earth and to the land. And

503
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.519
so I think it's cool they I think that they

504
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:27.359
want they love it. I mean, because the modern world

505
00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:33.160
can only give us some much, and it's great things.

506
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.599
There's great things about technology. There's great things about living

507
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:40.960
in a place where people, you know, like people have

508
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:43.799
the freedom to go about their work and people are

509
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:47.039
excited about creating new things and this, that and the other,

510
00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:49.559
but then people also get tired. People also want to

511
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:52.240
learn how do I slow down? How do I understand

512
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:55.440
how to change my neural pathways? And for that we

513
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:59.759
just bring in these tools meditation. We meditate together in sessions.

514
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.200
We can move our body together. In sessions. We'll do

515
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.519
breath work, we'll do trans work, we'll do all sorts

516
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:11.519
of things. We play, you know, and they don't. They're

517
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:16.359
not so far apart, I think is what people find well.

518
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:18.119
And you know you you talked about I went to

519
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:20.480
your website and and I loved I loved what you

520
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:24.319
had in there. But we talk about you know, one

521
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:28.200
thing you said knowing, feeling and being, and I love that,

522
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:33.000
that philosophy of knowing and you know, feeling and then

523
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.119
being and and really as you're talking about this whole

524
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.079
concept of the energetic alchemy, as I looked that up

525
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:43.039
because I really didn't understand that, so I went to

526
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:47.359
chat GPTE and got a great, great description of it.

527
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.960
But it's really that inner work.

528
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:53.279
Of moving is it talked about it moving from fear

529
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:56.200
and doubt and anger in your life to something of

530
00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.400
love and joy and happiness? Can you can you share

531
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:04.039
any stories without mentioning names, but can you share any

532
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:06.640
stories of clients that you've worked with where you've seen

533
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:11.480
a dramatic change in their lives, where they've experienced dramatic

534
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:13.920
change in their lives with the work that you've been

535
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:14.599
doing with them.

536
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:21.720
Yeah, of course it's hard to pict just one. But

537
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:23.920
I'll just hear one tidbit and I think it just

538
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:27.160
because it really inspired me lately. This is a recent story.

539
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:32.640
I still work with this client, but she was having

540
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:35.880
a lot of She's a grandmother, so she's in her

541
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.920
a different stage of life than me. But she was

542
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:40.880
having a lot of problems with her family and a

543
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:42.799
lot of things I think were coming to the surface

544
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:45.359
that had been going on for years but she hadn't

545
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:51.079
really realized. And she goes home for the holidays, sees

546
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:52.880
her grandkids, but has a lot of issues with a

547
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.480
lot of other people, and she starts to feel just

548
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:02.400
really sad, isolated and angry, and she starts drinking. And

549
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.559
she had been drinking throughout her life, but this, at

550
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:10.200
this moment of her life, she really hit a rock bottom.

551
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.240
She told me later on, and she didn't even come

552
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:16.920
to her sessions. Nothing. She didn't go to work. She

553
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.359
went back home and just started drinking. And I share

554
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:27.079
this with you because it's funny because when we met,

555
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:29.559
when I heard I met, when we first started working together,

556
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:34.039
we were really working on because she was really sort

557
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.200
of afraid of her darkness. That was her relationship with

558
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.200
her darkness. And we could say any any anybody's darkness.

559
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.160
You know, if you fear your own darkness, you could

560
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.440
also fear the darkness and others or in the world.

561
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:50.759
And so we really were working on shifting her relationship

562
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:57.519
with her darkness and her quote unquote negative emotions. And

563
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:02.640
then this happened, and in a way, she really let

564
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:06.480
herself go into the darkness. I mean, in a way

565
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.960
we could say it's because she was avoiding some emotions, sure,

566
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:16.200
but she's went she just went into it. And then

567
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:18.960
I got really worried because all sorts of things happened

568
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.279
today these days, you know, all sorts of things. So

569
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:24.039
I got real worried. But I said, Pooja, keep her

570
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.359
wits about you and just trust that she's going to

571
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.200
reach out when she's ready, and she reached out to me.

572
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:33.759
We started working together. I said nothing about her absence.

573
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.279
I because that's what was my knowing and intuition is

574
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:42.400
do not judge. Just let her have her process and support.

575
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:49.359
And she is now like not drinking, She gave a

576
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:53.240
b alcohol. She meditates every day, she goes to her

577
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:58.039
yoga every day, she's she just fills her life with

578
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:02.000
nourishing friendships. She needed to unders stand, like they're just

579
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:04.279
shifts she made. She she she she came to me

580
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.400
to work on relationships, and she essentially learned that experience

581
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:10.599
that And maybe this isn't as dramatic as what people

582
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.640
want to hear, but to me, small things are big things.

583
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.759
Big things are small things. She came to me because

584
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:19.240
she wanted to work on relationships, and she found through

585
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:23.480
this experience of how she can't just put herself in

586
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:28.400
any situation and expect that she's gonna feel happy and

587
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:32.960
joyful and be able to take care of herself. And

588
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:35.720
so she sets some boundaries with her family, She sets

589
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:37.839
a lot of boundaries and how to let go of

590
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.119
a bunch of relationships that were kind of toxic and

591
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:44.680
not serving her. And she's focused on herself. And I'm

592
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.319
not I'm not exaggerating. This woman is actually a very

593
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:50.680
healthy woman. Aside from the alcohol, She's eats really well.

594
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:54.720
She knows a lot about longevity. She looks great, she

595
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:58.799
has high energy, and she is looking into starting her

596
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:03.440
own her own her own practice focused on longevity. And

597
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:05.839
I just love that And that's what we're working on

598
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.480
right now because she's really clean up her life and

599
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.320
she's being consistent. This is an everyday thing that she's

600
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.320
not just talking about this stuff, she's really doing it.

601
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.679
And so that's something that really inspired me. And it

602
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.239
just goes to show that sometimes, like you know, sometimes

603
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.400
we some of us do need to hit rock bottoms

604
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:26.320
or a rock bottom. It's not about the rock bottom,

605
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:29.199
it's about how we learn from it. What do we

606
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:30.719
do with that, you know?

607
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.639
And I think that brings in the awareness And as

608
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.119
I look at that is that, you know, how do

609
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:37.880
people suddenly become aware?

610
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.519
And as you say, sometimes it's hitting rock bottom.

611
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:43.239
And you know, as you're working with her, as you're

612
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.320
working with other people, how do you help people to

613
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:50.000
understand Because I think one of the biggest challenges people

614
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.400
face subconsciously, I'm not good enough, I'm really no good

615
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:56.360
you know, gil shame, all of that type of stuff.

616
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:58.320
Is there when we're not even aware of it.

617
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.039
How do you help people to number one, understand their

618
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:05.880
authentic self and the fact that there's a soul there,

619
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:10.280
there's a spirit there that is godly, that is full

620
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.800
of light and love. How do you help them to

621
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.679
get to that understanding of their authentic self so that

622
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.599
they can then start to move forward and change their

623
00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:21.280
life once they actually believe that.

624
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:26.519
Hmm, that's a great question. I think the first things

625
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:28.920
we do is just look at It might sound obvious,

626
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.880
but we look at patterns in their life and we

627
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:37.079
identify where do these patterns come from? Because the authentic

628
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.719
self isn't something that needs to be created, it's already there.

629
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:41.000
Yeah, exactly.

630
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:46.920
So the challenge is looking at what's been blocking, what's

631
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:52.559
been the what's stopping you from expressing it, not necessarily

632
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:55.079
from taking the actions that you want in your life,

633
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:58.800
but even deeper, deeper, what's stopping you on the inside

634
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.880
from allowing to yourself to trust that part of yourself.

635
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.159
And so we look at that, We really we go,

636
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.840
We go as deep as they want to go, and

637
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.159
we identify like so, like this this is a modern

638
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.880
coaching tool. It's so common but we identify the limiting

639
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:17.400
beliefs because they shed light on where the neural where

640
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.519
what are those neural pathways that are just that have

641
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:24.079
been working since childhood to keep you this way that

642
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:28.159
you don't want to be. And it's a it's also

643
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:29.880
just the way I like to call it in simple terms,

644
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:33.079
it's like slowing all of that down. It's like when

645
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:35.199
you have a coach, when you have a space to work,

646
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.519
you can actually to become aware of the subconscious. We

647
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:42.039
have to slow down our relationship with our own minds,

648
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.519
our own bodies, our own emotions. We have to take time,

649
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:47.920
we have to we get to look at Okay, what

650
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.239
was what? Where is this coming from? What was the

651
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.679
first thought I had? Why did I have that thought

652
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.719
about myself? What's going on there? So it's just like

653
00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:00.280
the simple work, but it's powerful, it's powerful and once

654
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.400
they become aware of the authentic self, when we address

655
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:05.039
the blocks, the authentic self comes through no problems.

656
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:06.199
Oh that's wonderful.

657
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.880
And as you mentioned, you know there's so many methodologies here,

658
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.280
but you talk about yoga, which really has to do

659
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.400
with that semantic the movement of the body, which is

660
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:19.239
I've talked to various different people. You know, for many

661
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.400
of them, that's so important you talk about meditation and

662
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:27.760
how important that is for people. How often or how

663
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.239
how many times do you find resistance from your clients

664
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.039
as you're starting to work with them when you start

665
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:37.199
talking about meditation or you know, movement and all of

666
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.599
those type of things which you know and I know

667
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:44.679
actually help to handle all of that. How do you

668
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:47.400
help them to understand that all of these different things

669
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:51.199
that you're talking about literally have been not only helpful

670
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.440
to you and to others, but it will be absolutely

671
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:55.320
helpful to them.

672
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.119
To them, well, I always like to start where people

673
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:04.480
are at, because if we don't meet meet people where

674
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:08.800
they're at, we can't we can't really do much, you know,

675
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:15.119
we've lost them. So the cool thing is most people

676
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:19.239
are actually pretty open to this kind of stuff. They

677
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:24.480
just if there's things holding them back. The first level is,

678
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:28.199
let's say like they they've never meditated before, but most

679
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.000
people at this point have heard about it from somebody

680
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.320
somewhere on Instagram, something like that, you know, in a movie,

681
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.840
like people know what it is now and more or less,

682
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.239
more or less, what's holding them back from doing it

683
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:44.719
or practicing it. I mean on a deep level, it's

684
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.400
just usually a feeling of great discomfort of just sitting

685
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:52.119
with themselves. But on a more on other levels or

686
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.159
other other things that could be holding them back that

687
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.480
I've seen, it's just like they feel like they should

688
00:38:56.480 --> 00:39:00.960
be doing it a certain way. They have these ideas

689
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.960
about what these things should look like or be like.

690
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.760
So they'll say, oh, I tried it once and it

691
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:12.360
was horrible. I had so many thoughts, I felt so uncomfortable,

692
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.280
so I just stopped. And so a lot of times

693
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.039
it just involves us sitting down and talking about, like,

694
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:20.599
what is their experience with this stuff been, what are

695
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.599
some of their preconceptions and these stories they're telling themselves

696
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:26.239
about what this is supposed to look like and what

697
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:30.119
it's supposed to do. And then also I address some

698
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:32.559
of those things like that's normal if you never sit

699
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:34.880
down with yourself, if you have never sat down and

700
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.320
sat in meditation, before you sit in a silent meditation,

701
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.039
a lot of stuff's gonna come up. That's a good thing,

702
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:43.719
you know, good job, congratulations. It's a lot of it

703
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:48.320
is just reframing, you know, what their experience has been

704
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:51.119
with this, what this is supposed to look like breaking

705
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.400
down some of those rules and ideas so that it

706
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:57.679
feels more accessible to them. And then some people they

707
00:39:57.679 --> 00:39:59.960
have their things. I love going to certain yoga class,

708
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or they love doing a certain like guided meditation. They

709
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just need the support of the accountability. They want to

710
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tell me at the end of the day, I did it,

711
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I did it, I did it.

712
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You know.

713
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I check in with them. So there's that, which is great.

714
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And then if they're not comfortable doing those things outside

715
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of the session, we'll do them in the session and

716
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:17.480
we'll play with it and they end up loving it

717
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and they usually will ask me, can we do a

718
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:23.679
meditation today? You know? And it's so nice because you

719
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:27.559
feel the benefits over time, you know. So they they yeah,

720
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they love it well.

721
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And what I found and I think it's interesting for

722
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people to know that, you know, there's not one type

723
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of meditation, as you say, there's a guided meditation, there's

724
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a meditation with you know self veggio and yeah, you know,

725
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.840
or I'm just I've just started really getting interested in

726
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the in the vedding meditation.

727
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So now I'm starting to listen to the chance and.

728
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And doing that I see cool and you know, I

729
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:57.280
think it's important for you people to understand keep trying

730
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.719
until you find something that works, find something that works

731
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.360
for you. When that happens, then all of a sudden,

732
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:06.039
you're doing a good job. So how do people find you?

733
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:08.159
Number one? You've got a book that you've written, which

734
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is a book of poetry, right, yeah.

735
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:12.880
And it's authored with my husband. It's both of our

736
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.480
poetry dancing together in the form of a book.

737
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:18.039
Okay. And what's it called?

738
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:19.639
Cosmic Wilderness?

739
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.360
All right? How do people find it?

740
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:26.920
They can just find it on Amazon the company's website.

741
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:27.440
Okay.

742
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.719
And if people want to talk to you specifically, how

743
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:31.480
do they find you?

744
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:32.480
How do they find you?

745
00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:36.079
They can just go on my website. It's my first name, Pooja,

746
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:40.320
my last name Bakai Poojabakai dot com. And there's a link.

747
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:42.639
There should be plenty of links to book a console

748
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:44.719
with me and we can have a chat.

749
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:46.239
Great.

750
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.360
So as we close, what would be a finalness is

751
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.079
that you'd like to leave with the audience.

752
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:56.760
You know, I've been thinking about this one throughout the call,

753
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.639
just tuning in and feeling into what that is. And

754
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:03.480
I would say my final message is to just trust yourself,

755
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:11.000
trust your intuition, trust your heart. All right, that's simple.

756
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.239
Well, Buoja, thanks so much. It's been great.

757
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:18.920
It's fascinating to me how people have different journeys.

758
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:20.840
But when it's all said and.

759
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Done, people on these type of journeys end up in

760
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.920
a similar situation where you're finding that love, you're finding

761
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:29.800
that piece. You're helping other people to get through some

762
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.880
of those issues that they had so that they can

763
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:34.639
find it also, so kudos to you that you're one

764
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:35.320
of those people.

765
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:38.800
Oh, thank you. And we're all works in progress, so

766
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:42.280
I'm still working on my piece and my joy, but

767
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.400
I'm really happy to be here and thanks so much

768
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:46.000
for having me.

769
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:48.400
Oh and aren't we all working on that? But anyway,

770
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thank you so much, and folks, thanks for listening. I'm

771
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hoping you enjoyed this and go to the website because

772
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:56.760
there's some great information there. I was there a couple

773
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.719
of times and it really is wonderful. So anyway, this

774
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:03.159
is doctor Doug. You're saying thanks for listening, and not

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a stay