July 28, 2025

Breaking Free from People-Pleasing: Empowering Women to Shine

Breaking Free from People-Pleasing: Empowering Women to Shine
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Dr. Doug welcomes Nedjma Belaid, a former pharmacist turned women’s empowerment coach, to discuss breaking free from people-pleasing. She shares how NLP, hypnotherapy, and mindset shifts help women set boundaries, reclaim self-worth, and live authentically. Learn how childhood patterns shape behavior and how to step into your true power. Don’t miss this inspiring conversation!

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Nudjem Welcome to the show.

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Thank you doctor, it's a pleasure to be here.

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Well, that's going to be exciting topic and I've got

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a lot of questions for you on this, so hopefully

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that'll be fun. What I'd love for you to do, though,

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is to share with the audience your journey, what brought

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you to this point in your life where you're doing

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what you're doing and be happy to you know, share

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who you are are, what you've done in your life,

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and why you're here now.

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Yeah. So it started kind of unconventional. I was actually

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a pharmacist for just over a decade, and because I

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had struggled myself in my personal life with a lot

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of people pleasing, I had developed generalized sonciety disorder because

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I was just kind of always nervous about oh did

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I say the right thing? Not the right thing? And

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social situations. I just wanted to be accepted and pleased.

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And I have kind of like the shield, and I

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was always assessing, coming from stuff from childhood and then

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through the journey of becoming a pharmacist. I actually I'm

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from Canada and I moved to the US. I had

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to transfer my license. There was a lot of studying involved.

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I started to like really amp up the anxiety and

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I realized, gosh, this cannot continue, this cannot continue, And

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and my doctor wanted to prescribe me an entire anxiety.

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And because I'm a pharmacist, I was just like, Oh,

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this is not the route. Yeah, this is not the

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route I want to take. I felt. I was young

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and I felt. I knew that there were non, non

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pharmacological ways to go about these things. So that got

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me into a rabbit hole of self development, self growth.

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I went into YouTube, I I gobbled up everything I

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could find. I took trainings, I went overseas even to

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get certifications on coaching, initially for me, initially to heal

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myself and actually feel better and be happier, to have

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more joy, be able to be with others without that anxiety,

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without feeling like I needed to fit in or say

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the right thing or just laugh at the joke. So

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but what happened is that as I was accumulating these

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certifications and these trainings, and I realized this was good,

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This was actually changing my life and my appreciation and

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freedom in living the fullness of life. And so my

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interest with pharmacy started to dwindle a little bit. And

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then I really wanted to start helping people and really

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be immersed in this world in what I'm learning and

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what I'm giving. And so when the opportunity came to

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leave my career. At that point, I was working the

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farmer industry. I was a medical information specialist, and I

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was up for promotion, and I got the opportunity to

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apply and then be invited to become a Tony Robbins

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coach full time. Wow. So I made a decision to

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burn my boat and John I was like okay, and

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I left my career my buff winner surprise because obviously

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you know, this was not planned, and that I joined

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the team and just for for almost two years, I

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was a full time coach with Tony Robbins. I had

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done a little bit on my on the side before,

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but it was nothing like going full time. And as

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much as I love Tony's mission, it felt like I

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had this calling to serve women because what I'm what

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I am now is a women empowerment mentor coach, and

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I'm really my passion is to help women stop themming

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their lights.

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Okay, so I actually okay, yeah, just so they can

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learn to really be themselves, because that's that's a desire,

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like how can I only can I be myself and

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also have deeply connected relationships because oftentimes.

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It feels like we can have one or the other.

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Oh why women? You know, my son asked me that

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he ate he's like, my what to help women? And

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really simply I think men. I love men too, obviously,

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I'm married, I my son, there's nothing just really that's

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my own experience. It's important for me, and that's why

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I'm calling myself a mentor coach as a coach, and

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I've done that with Tony Robbins. You can coach anyone

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anywhere on anything, that's not a problem, but when you

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bring mentorship, it comes from a lived experience. This is

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my journey, So I'm bridging the two, and I know

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how to be a feminine energy. I know what it's

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like to be a woman stuck in her masculine and

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that's kind of part of the journey and learning to

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develop the feminine and be herself. So that's why I'm

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focusing on women because I don't have a first person

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experience of what it's like to be a man and

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come into being your full masculine.

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Okay, so you were a coach with Tony Robbins for

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two years. I assume you use as the ISCA test

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to analyze personalities, right disc Yes, absolutely, So here's my question. Yeah,

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I don't know if you use the advanced one or

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just the standard one, because you know, I went online

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and took a standard one and I found that it

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was not totally accurate. Uh, And so the one that

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I use, he may have used, purchased it and then

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put his name on it. I know some other people have.

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But yeah, here's my question. Have you found that number one,

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this experience of you know, wanting to empower women because

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they feel overwhelmed, they don't feel good enough, all those

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types of things. Have you found that it's more women

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than men? And I'm going to get to the y.

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I think it may be, but go ahead.

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Do you mean more women than men that are overwhelmed?

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Is that what you're saying? Yes, hmmm, Well, that's a

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good question.

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I'm asking because I know when you get into the

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disk test and the personality evaluations and so forth, you've

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got your right brain, you've got your left brain. And

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and I know from studies and research that that the

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majority of women women are more right brain. They're more emotional,

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they're you know, they're wonderful, that's really where they need

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to be. And men tend to be more left brain,

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which makes them pain in the neck once in a while.

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But here's a question. You know, women being more right brain,

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you find that they tend to experience this a little

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bit more than men.

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You know, I think they get overwhelmed for different reasons.

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If I'm just thinking back when I was coaching, both

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men would get more overwhelmed because they want to be

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the breadwinner. They want to provide, right, So it's like

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they want to take on they have a lot, or

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maybe at ORC it could be sometimes with the amount

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of work because they just this that desire of the

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masculine in my opinion, that wants to provide, wants to

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be a leader, wants to take take care of the team.

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Not that women don't, but it just feels a little different.

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Women feel overwhelmed oftentimes, and those are generalizations. Of course,

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this cross is over, but women would be more caring

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for their family, wanting to do everything, wanting to wear

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all the hats, wanting to be everything for everybody. So

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it's a more like in a caring way. Not that

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men don't care, they do, right, But that's the distinction

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that I feel might be where the overwhelm shows up differently.

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Okay, And do you find that they fit into piking

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a personality or profile.

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When I use the DISC every day with all my clients,

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like I delivered over two thousand and one on one

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sessions and most of them was with using the DISC.

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I definitely see patterns and I've definitely seen that this

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assessment is accurate. It might not be accurate to the number,

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or there might be some you know, how you're taking

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the test. There's always human error, but in general, if

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you look at general like what DSc is general energies, Yes,

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I've definitely seen that when I see the profile and

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then I speak to the person for the first time,

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I would say ninety percent of the time plus it

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would make sense.

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Well. And the reason I asked that, and what I

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find is because I've used that a lot too as

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I've worked with people, is that I talk about the

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fact that where we look at the strengths. You know,

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when you look at any behavioral analysis, whether it's DISC

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or whatever, you look at those strains and then you

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realize that if they allow it to go too far,

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it becomes a weakness totally. And in my mind a

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lot of times, whoever it is, and particularly here where

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we're talking about women, you know, they're such great strength

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in who they are and their personalities and so forth,

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but when it goes a little bit too far, all

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of a sudden, it becomes that weakness, and in your case,

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people please us is the type of individual that you're

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working with. So what do you find causes this sense

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of people pleasing? Because I know that you're using NLP,

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I know you're using all sorts of things to figure

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this out. What have you found in general are the

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main causes for women to become people pleasers.

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So in my experience, in what I've seen, people pleasing

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comes from childhood. It's really is a learned Habit is

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a way we're coping with the world because we learn

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as kids like we feel safe when people accept us,

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we feel safe when people approve of us, and we

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want to be love, we want to belong. And so

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there's things along the way that we picked up that

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if we just do like mommy and Daddy want me

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to be, then I get praise, then I get more love,

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and then when I don't, then I get punished. And

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so even on even a very well intentioned parent just

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doing their best might actually cause this child to understand this.

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So it doesn't necessarily need to come from trauma or

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anything like that, is just picking up along the way,

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like oh, listen to your teacher, like I'm I'm you know,

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bring an apple, I get an AA. So there's just

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this this learning along the way. And then oftentimes women

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who struggle with people pleasing them most is that there

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has been a little bit of that shame of who

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I am is not good enough, who I am is

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not desirable, and so just the way I am is

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not lovable enough. So I need to tweak myself to

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please because me as I am is not enough or

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is not good well.

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And I think it's interesting. You know, I have four kids,

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and I really worked hard. Believe me, I've gone through

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this for a number of years. I really worked hard

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to make sure that they had a healthy childhood, growing

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up and so forth. And still, you know, there's times

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that it's like, oh, Dad, you expect so much of us,

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and you know, and I realized that to some degree, y,

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it's my fault to some degree, but also it's their perception.

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And I think it's so interesting that we cannot ever

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determine what the perception of one of our children is

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going to have based on anything we do. We may

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come in from our heart and with love and wanting

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to help them, and their perception may be entirely opposite.

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One hundred percent. You can have two kids living the

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same stuff and then interpreting it completely differently or developing

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different coping mechanisms from it. So there's I'm not an

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expert of you know, the personality and how that that

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might play a role, but it definitely does. Some people

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will become the golden child and some people will become,

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you know, the rebel with the same situation.

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And that's so true. And it's interesting. As I was

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reading your bio, I recognize that I saw that you

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use three at least you mentioned three major areas that

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you do it. Maybe four, but three NLP, which is

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neural linguistic programming, and I'll have you explain to the

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audience what that is. Then you have hypnotherapy and I

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think a specific type of hypnotherapy, and then also you

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can buy an Eastern philosophy. So I would love for

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you to share how you use all of those three

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areas in helping people and why it's important to touch

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on each one of those.

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Yes, well, because I'm coming from a very intuitive and

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and feminine approach. It's not like I'm like, Okay, here's

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the technique I'm going to use. That's from an LP,

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that's from hypnosis, right, I'm this complex person who has

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all this knowledge neural linguistic programming. There's different teachers. I

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learned with one of the co founders, John Grinder, in Portugal,

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and there's pretty much what is it? If I would

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explain this, it's very vast, so it's really hard to

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explain in the initial period of time, but it really

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works with the unconscious mind. Yes, so, were these the

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patterns that are used oftentimes or to try and fix

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so to speak, which is not my favorite thing. My

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husband loves to fix. He's really great at it. But

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the things that I've taken from NLP are more understanding

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how we experience things from our visual, kinesthetic, auditory perspective,

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and if we change just kind of like the building

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blocks of that experience, it changes how we feel and

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how we experience the situation of the person.

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Yeah, so you can take you can take someone back,

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for instance, to a childhood experience, Yes, where their perception.

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In fact, I had one client. His perception was, you know,

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he just shoved to the back of the room. I

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think a's third or fourth grade something like that teacher

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with tolna was stupid. Therefore he's going to the back

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of the room. So that was his perception, and as

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we used NLB to go back and reprogram the perception,

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all of a sudden he realized that, you know, I

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had nothing to do with him, because he really was brilliant.

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It had everything to do with it, teacher, And so

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by just doing that, it made all the difference in

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the world. So that's kind of what you're doing with NLP, right.

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Absolutely, Yeah, So that's a reframe going back in time.

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That's more like timeline therapy, which is part of NLP

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as well. And you know, like the visual kinesthetic auditory

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could be just like in the moment, like I'm afraid

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of something, and if you're trying to look as like, oh, well,

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how does that represent? Well, I see this person mad

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like super close and blown up in front of my

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face in color bright. I oh, what if you make

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it smaller, black and white, push it away? We can

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play with kind of that immediate experience to change a

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feeling in the body and the charge of that.

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Right. So with hypnotherapy, do you use a specific type

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And again I think you were explaining and I understood

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what you were saying correctly. You have these tools at

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your disposal and depending on the individual and what they

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need at that moment in time you bring something in

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that's correct.

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Yeah. Absolutely, it's just depending on what's needed in the moment,

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in that interaction with a person, it will just come

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to me because I have this tool belt of all

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the different goals and hypnotherapy. I studied alchemical hypnotherapy alchemical hypnosis,

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which is a bit more of a spiritual aspect of it,

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which brings a lot of NLP. It's a bridge of

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different things for shamanism. So it's a body of work

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that of course you induce people into hypnosis, but it's

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a light level. It's not that level like I don't

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remember anything. It's a level where you interact with the person,

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so you're really acting as a guide and you're not

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imposing the direction, like you're guiding them in their experience

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and they are the guide of that experience, so to speak.

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believe in that spiritually. My husband studied it to infer him.

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It's a metaphorical representation that helps you, so you work

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with let's say you go back to childhood and then

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you can actually call it in an inner mother that's

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more of like a representation of a stronger force that

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helps you with that event. So there's also regression in

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childhood as well.

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I don't specifically do all chemical hypnosis sessions. The way

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I use it is I like to lead journeys, so

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it's leading me to really understand, so how to lead

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people in the journey, how to get them into a

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level of hypnosis. So it's kind of like you'd say

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a meditation, a guided meditation, if you want to call

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it that way. So okay, wrap your head around it.

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But it's it's really powerful. Like, for example, in one

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of my courses, we get to go to the future

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and meet your future self that have let go of

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all these people pleasing tendencies and really observe like the

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life she lives and really get a feel of like

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what it's like, and get to her body and feel

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that confidence and strength and what it's like. And then

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we get to anchor that into the present, bringing the

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future to the present. Right, we talk about that manifestation,

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but we get the first experience through the journey, so

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we can actually grasp what that feels like as we

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Okay, and then you get into the Eastern philosophy. Talk

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a little bit about that. How did that come into

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part of your tool, right?

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and that created a lot of conflicts in my life,

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you know, like Mommy's one, dad is one, and who

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am I going to be?

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desire for me to because through my studies, I did

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the seminary at the Temple of Creaoga and so yes,

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there was a lot on yoga philosophy, but there was

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a big section on also world religions and philosophies like

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of course the main religions you can think of, but

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also like buddhism't so really rout and broad net of

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evaluation and study of philosophies. And so that really was

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healing from me in the sense that I needed to

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find where I stand and also not be limited to

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one specific set of philosophy or beliefs, so to speak.

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And it was really healing to see how they're all different,

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but all the religions, at least to me, had a

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So yeah, absolutely, I have studied that very carefully, particularly

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since I'm here in Thailand, and it's been amazing to me,

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as I've looked at Hinduism, as I've looked at Buddhism, obviously,

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as I've looked at Christianity. If you get to the

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basic message, it's amazing how similar it is. And it's

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all about coming back to who you really are, becoming

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the individual that you genuinely are. But because of all

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those imprints and society and everything else, it's kind of

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covered you up. In fact, I was talking to someone

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that I love the example they used. They said, it's

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like it's like you have a mirror and it's just

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you just have to start wiping it cleaner and cleaner

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and cleaner, and over time you get rid of all

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of that dirt, and all of a sudden, there you are.

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hear the layers of the onion, but I've never heard

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the mirror metaphor.

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That's I had neither. I just heard it the other

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day and I love that. So let's talk. Let's talk

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about now and the people pleasing. What happens with women

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who find themselves in that situation of consistent people pleasing,

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What happens to their lives is that they often feel

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drained because they're doing too much for others. But also

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it's not necessarily Sometimes it can be even a perceived

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doing too much for others, because when you keep abandoning

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yourself for the profit of the exterior, something outside of

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yourself in itself, it's draining because you always have to

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wear some sort of a persona or a mask or

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tweak yourself. Always analyzing assessing this is draining. And then

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because maybe you're like, oh did this person laugh or

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was that too loud? Oh my gosh, I wonder how

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they took this, Oh why did I say that? And

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so all of this kind of mental activity during posts

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before is draining too. So there's kind of that sense,

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at least that's how I felt also in my life

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when I was really stuck in that and that sense

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of I can't really be myself because if I'm myself,

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people will be disappointed because people won't love me. So

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I have to work hard to please others. And some

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people who struggle with people pleasing will be more chameleons,

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some would be more overgivers. Right, there's different kind of

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flavors already within the umbrella. So depending what their flavor is,

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they will look differently. But if I kind of zoom

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out and look at the general tendency is that sensation

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of like not being able to be yourself and working

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so hard to feel the love from the outside in.

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my own journey, to switch that, to build it from

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the inside out. Because when we ye I'm sorry, no,

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I was just going to say, when we find that strength,

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that love, that self love, that self worth, and it's not,

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you know, overnight within themselves, it's a lot easier to

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be with people. However people are.

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So here's my question. Do you find that a lot

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of times? And I don't know what your personal experience was,

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but do you find that as there you know, as

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that people pleaser mentality, that they oftentimes attract people who

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will take advantage of that.

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That is very possible because it's an energy. So let's

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say we're talking about I was talking to a client

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the other day. She's always saying yes, she doesn't want

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to say no, and she's never being herself and it's

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kind of the energy of love me right. But people

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can feel that. So either people who just want you

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to be who you are and enjoy like they just

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don't want you to just say yes if you mean

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and no. They kind of sense that weirdness. Maybe it

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could be repulsive for them. But then to your point,

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someone who's just like, great that I can have this

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person do whatever I want because they feel bad enough, right,

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And that could be a bit more of an energetic

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match in that case.

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And it can be a codependent relationship cand it. Yeah, absolutely,

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And I think a lot of women find themselves in

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that codependency and it's really tough for to get out

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of it. So how do you help someone to set

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those boundaries, to learn to say no, to realize that

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they don't have to please all of the time except

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maybe themselves, which is a difference thing.

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Yes, and that's that's a religion I had way back

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when in my dorm in college, and I something happened

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with my parents that told you the difference, and I

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realized I was never going to be able to please

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both of them at the same time. And it got

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me to a really dark place. And then what got

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me out is exactly what you said, Well, this isn't

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it's not working. And by trying to please everybody all

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the time. It's me, I'm not pleasing. So the first

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step really with women is to start realizing, like what

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is it costing them? It's gonna there's general patterns, but

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it's gonna be also specific to the person. What is

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it costing them to be in their people pleasing tendencies,

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whether it's overgiving or maybe sometimes isolating or isolating her

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because it's just so draining to be with people, which

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is become loaners, but then we're lonely, so there's a

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lot of different consequences so to speak of this pattern

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and then what are you going to gain when you

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overcome this when you're able to be yourself with others?

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Like what's there to gain? How great can your life become?

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And so we're starting to work with that leverage because

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even though it might be like, you know, not great,

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it's comfortable. It's what we've done and we know it,

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so it kind of, in a weird way, feels safe

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to stay there. So to make any movement whatsoever, we

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need to start looking like what is it costing me

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to stay there? And what will will I gain once

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I break free from it?

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Well? And you know you talk about it, and what

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I found is a lot of times people don't even

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understand what's going on. And how how would an individual,

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how would a woman be able to recognize number one

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and be aware of the fact that she has fallen

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into that trap of people pleasing? Are there some specific

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indications of red flags whatever you want to call them,

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that you could share with the audience that are listening

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where someone can go, wow, that's me.

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Yes. So there's many, but the ones that come to

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my mind right now. If you feel like you can't

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be yourself, or if you're because if you are yourself,

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00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:28.279
you'll disappoint if you can't deal with people being upset

466
00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:30.400
at you and you're just trying to keep the peace

467
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:35.200
by not speaking your truth or sharing your opinion, if

468
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:37.480
you say yes all the time because you don't want

469
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.000
to say no. I had a client, she had a

470
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:43.240
group of friends, and she didn't even like that much,

471
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:45.680
but every time they would ask her to go have

472
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.119
a coffee, because she felt bad to say no, she

473
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.319
just went, even though she didn't enjoy her time. And

474
00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:54.519
then we dug into that and she realized, like, well,

475
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:57.559
she didn't spend as much time with her daughter because

476
00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:59.319
of course, she worked full time and so she had

477
00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:03.079
the little free time. And then I was like, well,

478
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.440
but you don't even enjoy their company. Just realizing that

479
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:11.319
for her was like, that's true. I know why am

480
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:12.039
I doing this?

481
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:12.359
Right?

482
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.920
Sometimes we don't even realize, but it's like, are you

483
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.799
doing things that you don't want to be doing just

484
00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:22.759
because you're afraid of being rejected, being talked behind your back,

485
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:23.720
losing friendship?

486
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:25.000
Right?

487
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:27.640
So those are like the major science, I would say,

488
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:31.240
Or maybe you're just giving all the time the fear

489
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:33.759
of I have that, like if you give to me,

490
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:38.400
I feel very uncomfortable. I need to even and out.

491
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:40.279
I need to give to you at least so we're

492
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.440
even or more. I don't want to feel indebted because

493
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:45.559
then I don't I feel like maybe I'm not good enough.

494
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:47.559
I need to give, give, gift, give, and make sure

495
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:48.400
that I feel that tank.

496
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.440
So I'm like, I'm okay, Yeah, that's interesting. It brings

497
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:55.359
to mind when I was living in Idaho, we had

498
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.359
a neighbor, an older couple, and we were all living

499
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.880
on an acre right of lawn pretty much, and they

500
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:07.119
were the kindest, most giving couple that I've ever met.

501
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:10.000
If if a family needed something, they were there to

502
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:13.200
help them, whether it was food or whatever. And one

503
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:15.240
day I sent my boys over and said, hey, let

504
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:17.400
us cut your lawn for you because they were they

505
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.680
were aging and it's like, oh no, no, no, no, we

506
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.880
can have a week. They could not accept the very

507
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.079
thing that they did for others, and I found that

508
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:30.240
so fascinating, So yeah, go ahead.

509
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:32.559
I was just going to say the reframe there, if

510
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:35.440
anyone's watching and kind of is in that place, is

511
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:40.000
to start realizing because probably you guys wanted to. It

512
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:41.680
felt good for you guys to move their lawn.

513
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.960
Absolutely. I wanted my kids to understand what it was

514
00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:46.920
like to be able to serve someone else.

515
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:54.240
So by allowing themselves to receive, they're actually giving exactly exactly.

516
00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:58.920
So how do people number one when they catch themselves

517
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:02.319
in that situation? What's the first step to breaking it?

518
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:05.079
And I know that you have a story you can

519
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:06.440
tell about someone named Lena.

520
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.640
Yes, well, Lena took one of my courses and she

521
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:13.920
came to the course. It's called break Free Three Keys

522
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:16.599
to End People Pleasing, and we go deep into three

523
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:20.759
main mind shifts to help break free of it. And

524
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:24.559
she started the class you know, really thinking people pleasing

525
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.960
was a good thing, like it was having bad impact,

526
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.200
but like it was making her a good person quote unquote,

527
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:35.000
So she was not prioritizing herself for self care, saying

528
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:38.160
yes to things to even I had started a coaching

529
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:40.240
business a little bit like she wanted to do it,

530
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:43.359
but struggle putting herself out there, because that's also a

531
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:46.559
consequence when you feel like you need approval. How can

532
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.319
you kind of put yourself out there now not knowing

533
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:51.640
how it's going to be received. That feels very unsafe,

534
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.119
And so out of going through the course of course,

535
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:59.200
we start with the leverage. That's always the number one piece,

536
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:01.200
Like I was sharing, what is it costing you and

537
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.920
where you're up to gain, and then we look at

538
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.039
some mind shifts in that course, so to start understanding

539
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:12.599
that we're not responsible for how other people feel. And

540
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:14.519
even though it feels that way, and it feels like

541
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.039
sometimes there can be something we say that triggers something

542
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.039
in them, but it triggers something in them only because

543
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:24.720
there's something to be triggered from, there's some sort of wound.

544
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:27.200
You can have two different people in the exact same

545
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:32.480
situation reacting completely differently. Some people might be like, wow,

546
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.519
how they are they and go, oh, oh, that didn't

547
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:38.279
bother me. Why because there's either a wound or not

548
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:42.920
to be reactivated, and so things like that that we

549
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:46.160
learned throughout the course out of doing this. I just

550
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:48.759
followed up with her a few weeks back, and she's

551
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.160
really gotten a lot from it. She's like now expressing

552
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.079
herself more, having more, doing more things for herself, taking

553
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:59.559
care of herself. But she also got and that was

554
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:01.920
just at the end of the course from doing that,

555
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:05.079
she has to got two paid clients from her coaching,

556
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:09.119
which she was only doing free sessions. And she finally

557
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.440
kind of like was able to attract that because she

558
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.759
started to shift within herself that she was deserving of things,

559
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.359
like she didn't need to, you know, look for crumbs

560
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:20.839
of anything outside of herself to tell her that she's

561
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.440
good enough that she could build that from the inside.

562
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:26.720
Well, you know, And one of the comments I've heard

563
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.759
a lot over the years is, you know, that's just

564
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.400
how I am. So what would you say to someone

565
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.079
that has that feeling if they don't express it, but it's,

566
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.039
you know what, that's just who I am. What would

567
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:44.720
you say to them.

568
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.559
I would say, be careful what you put after I am.

569
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:48.559
And that's something I teach to we say, oh, I'm

570
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.440
such a people pleaser. I'm a people pleaser. Well are you?

571
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.920
Because the shift is okay, what if I say said

572
00:31:57.160 --> 00:31:59.480
I'm a people pleaser and I have women like feel

573
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.720
into that? How does that feel like? And then take

574
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:09.079
it off? I have people pleasing tendencies like that feels

575
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:13.200
a lot different because if it's a tendency, I can

576
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:17.240
do something about it. If it's something I am like,

577
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:19.079
how can I change who I am? This is how

578
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.039
I am. That makes it a lot difficult. Like you

579
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.799
weren't born and someone said, oh it's a girl and

580
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:29.559
this one's a people pleaser. You know that's not a treat.

581
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.359
That's not like there's no genes of people pleasing or

582
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:36.920
you know. So really it's started to look, what are

583
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.680
you looking to gain out of these things? And starting

584
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.839
to see how, oh I learned that along the way

585
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.079
because I wanted to feel loved and accept it. And

586
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.279
a lot of people can. When I talk to women,

587
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.720
they can always think about oh yeah, in my childhood,

588
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.119
this and that. Again, some some were traumatic, some were not.

589
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:56.720
We're just like a teacher or this person. And I

590
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.880
definitely did that. And so if it's a learned behavior,

591
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:01.319
how can it be who you are.

592
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:04.799
And what's interesting? And I don't know how much you

593
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:09.400
get into the neural aspects of the neural pathways that

594
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.480
in my mind, it's a habit that we have developed.

595
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:18.000
It's a habit, and it's tough to change habits, but

596
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:22.039
habits can be changed. And realistically, as you're working with them,

597
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.039
do you find that they actually change those neural pathways

598
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:28.880
and kind of move away and minimize some of those

599
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:33.160
negative affecting ones and really start to develop the ones

600
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:35.359
that create positivity for them in their lives.

601
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.039
Absolutely, And that's kind of how I design my course

602
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.359
and how I work also one on one. It's all

603
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:45.240
about little steps. It's not something like, oh, now I

604
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:48.279
realize that it comes from childhood, so it's gone, No,

605
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.319
you did it over and over and over and over

606
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.160
again for so many years. That's going to be the

607
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.440
knee jerk reaction in the moment. So the first step

608
00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:01.400
is to start realizing it even after the fact, Oh okay,

609
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:06.039
I did this thing right and that happened. Okay, got it?

610
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.079
And then okay, what am I going to do next time?

611
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.559
And then you start catching yourself sooner and sooner, and

612
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:13.960
then you catch yourself with these small things. But then

613
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.400
the things that are very emotionally activating maybe not so

614
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:21.760
much right, And it's a journey, and so it's really important.

615
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.760
That's why I call my company with kind of Awareness,

616
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:27.000
because we want to bring a lot of kindness to

617
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.840
the awareness. Oftentimes when we become aware of things. I know,

618
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.159
for me was a good way to just hit myself

619
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:33.760
in the head. Oh I know better, I should have

620
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:38.320
done that. But no, let's be kind like this. Like

621
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:41.360
you said, it's a habit, it's been wired to your

622
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:46.599
brain over sometimes decades. Don't expect yourself to change overnight.

623
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.719
But also you can expect yourself to make big shifts

624
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:51.719
if you pay attention and you focus on that.

625
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:55.280
Well, that's interesting too. I mean a lot of people

626
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:59.440
talk about mindset, they talk about consciousness. But as you're

627
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.719
working with women and what do you find you focus on?

628
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:06.039
You you really talk to them about their mindset, their consciousness,

629
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:09.840
and the fact that if they're truly conscious of what's

630
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:12.840
going on. In fact, I've when I was when I

631
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.480
was in another school, after I finished my dental practice.

632
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:20.559
One of the things they talked about was stepping outside

633
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.079
of yourself and it kind of being that third party

634
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:29.360
outside of yourself and just observing and listening and asking questions.

635
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:33.360
And to me, that best developing a mindset where you're

636
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.400
actually able to look at it. And as you say,

637
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.519
it's a tendency, it's not who I am. Oh, here's

638
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:41.840
a tendency that I have. And so as you talk

639
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:45.360
to women about that, do you find that talking about mindset,

640
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:48.000
talking about consciousness? What do you talk to them about

641
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:48.840
relative to that?

642
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.280
Yes, I would say all of the above. The observer

643
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.599
is something I use a lot because when you are

644
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:59.960
and this is something from philosophies like a cartole angient

645
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.639
philosophies and LP uses it. So there's just it's everywhere

646
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.880
because it's so important when your first experience, like you

647
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.800
fully associated with what's happening, you don't have choice. Oftentimes

648
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:15.119
you're just going up, you know, with your patterns. And

649
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.320
then when you just take a step back, right, that's

650
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:19.239
what we say, oh, take a step back, right, even

651
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.079
in our language, we know so when you take a

652
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:24.559
step back and you start up that in that space,

653
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:29.360
there's choice and you might take a step back and

654
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.000
still feel a bit associate and be like, I'm not

655
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:33.599
going to do it anyway, right, but still a choice.

656
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:36.159
And then you get better and better and be like wait,

657
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.639
hold on. And that's the thing. The same thing when

658
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:41.639
we work with the inner dialogue too, Like we say

659
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:44.639
things to ourselves that can be mean, that can lead

660
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.800
us to go and do the same old patterns. So

661
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.440
having that observer mindset of like, well, hold on, is

662
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:56.199
it me saying that or is it maybe like a

663
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:59.559
childhood part of me on a certain judge part of me.

664
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:03.400
You want to see it that is saying that potentially

665
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:05.880
to protect me in their own way, even though that

666
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.760
doesn't feel great. But if I'm observing it and I'm

667
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:10.920
seeing like, oh, okay, this is not me, this is

668
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:14.400
just a part of me chiming in, I can decide

669
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.440
if I'm letting it run the show in the driver's

670
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:18.159
seat or not.

671
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.039
Well. And you know, as you talk about that, one

672
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.440
of the things that comes to my mind is this

673
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:28.760
concept of change. And you know, I think people really

674
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:33.480
struggle with change, and I think it takes a lot

675
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.639
of bravery. Number One, if you've become aware of what's

676
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:40.840
going on. You recognize that, then it's overcoming that fear

677
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:44.840
of change and developing that bravery to the point that

678
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:48.119
you're really willing to take the steps, for instance that

679
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:50.559
you teaching your courses. So how do you help people

680
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.360
that you see say, oh, yeah, I want to do this,

681
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.360
but then you see that that fear is greater than

682
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:58.800
their willingness to change. How do you help them to

683
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:02.679
develop that career, that bravery to really follow through and

684
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:03.960
start on that process.

685
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:09.679
It all comes back to what it's costing them and

686
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.280
shifting that focus. Because for as long as they're focused

687
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:16.239
on what it's what it would cause them to change,

688
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:20.760
the pain of changing, and what they gain by staying

689
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.079
in the status quo, they're going to stay in the

690
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:27.280
status school. That's just normal every human being would. But

691
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:30.079
if we change our focus to, like, well, hold on,

692
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.199
how about maybe it's costing me more to stay in

693
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:36.960
the status school and that could gain more by making

694
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.000
the change than to stay here. Now we're starting to

695
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.599
tip the scale why people change. Oftentimes, if we don't

696
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.000
do that consciously, there's going to be sometimes Probably if

697
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:47.880
you think in your own life, the moments where maybe

698
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:52.039
you made a change something really dramatic happened, there was

699
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.199
a threshold moment. Sometimes it might be a loss of

700
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.960
a relationship. A lot of people, like a lot of women,

701
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.719
they divorce or they change relationship and realize I don't

702
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.000
want to be that way anymore. Like there's something big

703
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:07.519
that happens. Sometimes it's getting sick unfortunately, And in these

704
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:11.559
moments we're like, okay, enough suddenly why because in that

705
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:16.000
moment it becomes more painful to continue that way and

706
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:18.280
it tips the scale. But we don't have to wait

707
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:22.159
until a threshold moment happens, because those on fun we

708
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.719
can start doing that consciously by changing our focus to

709
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:29.960
what is it costing us that's more than the opposite?

710
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.920
And what are we going to gain by making the change?

711
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.960
And we might forget we have to remind ourselves.

712
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:40.119
Yeah, And you know, you talk about personal responsibility ability,

713
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:42.920
and you know, as you're talking about, what you're really

714
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doing is you're saying that an individual can literally change

715
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.920
their life. And you know, as you mentioned, you grew

716
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.000
up in a household of two different religions and I

717
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:52.719
don't know if they were a Christian or Islam or

718
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:56.320
whatever that happened to be, but so often I hear

719
00:39:56.440 --> 00:40:00.159
the comment, and sometimes I'm actually guilty of saying this myself. Well,

720
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:03.360
this is God's will. You know, this is God's will,

721
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:07.119
So I'm going to accept it rather than realizing that,

722
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:12.800
Guess what, I can create the life that I want.

723
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:16.199
And how do you help women to realize that they

724
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:21.079
literally have the ability to make the changes to create

725
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:23.760
the life that they truly desire.

726
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:29.079
Yeah, well, I love that because it's it's a duality.

727
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:32.440
It's God's will, but also if you come from that perspective,

728
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:37.360
God gave us free will. Yes, so it's both and

729
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.440
it's not is it is it God's will? Is it

730
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:44.679
free will? Maybe it's both, right, And so if someone

731
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:46.800
is in that mindset, well, it's just God's will, I

732
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.360
can't change anything. Well, hold on, like you got free will, right,

733
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:55.280
that's from that part too, And then we can see.

734
00:40:55.639 --> 00:41:01.000
I would help them see how some days, on how

735
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:04.079
they choose to feel or what they focus on, they

736
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.360
can have a great day or bad day. And it's

737
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:11.639
not like it was destined to be that way, but

738
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:15.199
it's in the perspective of things. And oftentimes coming to

739
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:18.320
the observer mindset can help because and even I do

740
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.480
that with myself. When I'm feeling like I'm struggling emotionally,

741
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:25.000
I'll just kind of pop out a little bit and

742
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:29.400
be like, nothing's happening right now. Here's this woman sitting

743
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:34.119
in a room, it's silent, there's still outside. All this

744
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:38.960
stuff is happening inside of here. It's not real right

745
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:42.960
there outside. And so this is where the choice lies.

746
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:48.320
How are you gonna be inside of you? That's the

747
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:51.960
self responsibility. Yes, people will be peopling, Yes the world

748
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.840
will be worlding, and stuff will happen that it's out

749
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:58.400
of your control. But even if we look in really

750
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:02.519
tough situations in history, people who survived it that how

751
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:05.280
they did it was with their mindset, which focusing on

752
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:09.239
very hard, but by finding that one thing positive maybe

753
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:11.920
that kept kept them in a place. And those are

754
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:16.760
the people who survive. So it is possible to create

755
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:20.639
that strength from within and take responsibility for how you

756
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:23.440
feel and how you're reacting to things, and that has

757
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:27.519
a direct correlation to your quality of life, regardless of

758
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:29.079
what's happening outside of yourself.

759
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:32.800
And perhaps that's God's will for you to exercise your

760
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:36.079
free will and learn how to create that life of

761
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.920
joy and happiness. I know. I think of the comment

762
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:42.400
the man is that he might have joy, and that's

763
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:46.320
as well, but it's our responsibility to a large tribute

764
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:49.400
to be able to accomplish that. So a couple of questions.

765
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:53.639
Number one, how do people find you? And do you

766
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:55.800
do one on one or is it mainly classes?

767
00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:00.840
I do do one on one and I do courses

768
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:03.800
as well. I'm actually building another buddy of work that's

769
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:06.639
actually came to me along my journey, which is the

770
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:11.039
four Empowered Feminine archetypes. So I'm talking a lot about

771
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:13.760
that too, and using the wisdom of these archetypes to

772
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:17.320
empower yourself and grow, and so I talk a lot

773
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:19.360
about that. I have a Facebook group called the Empowered

774
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.599
Feminine Rising. This is free, of course, you can join,

775
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:26.760
and you can find me on Instagram at with kind Awareness.

776
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.719
I go live there and share a lot of wisdom

777
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:32.280
on that channel too, and of course on my website

778
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:36.079
with kindawareness dot com as a hub for everything I do.

779
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:39.559
So I do live classes, recorded classes, one on one,

780
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:40.719
all of the above.

781
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That's great. So as we close, here's my question. As

782
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:47.599
you just sit and pause from them and think, what

783
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:50.480
would be the message that you would like to share

784
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.320
with the audience that they take away as we finish

785
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:55.920
the podcast.

786
00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:00.719
Mh I would say, people pleasing is not who you are.

787
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.719
People pleasing is something you've learned, and it's possible to

788
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:10.840
unlearn it and go to different depths within yourself of joy,

789
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:14.920
of freedom and of enjoyment of life. And it's a path,

790
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.280
it's a journey of kindness and awareness and it's totally

791
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:19.840
worth it and you deserve it.

792
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.159
I love it. Thank you, thank you, Naja, thanks so much.

793
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.719
It amazes me how fast time goes by, and you know,

794
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:30.400
we're we're limited to literally forty five to forty seven

795
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.159
minutes and here we are ready to go, and you know,

796
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.360
what you're doing just fascinates me. The fact that you're

797
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.599
able to help women to do this, I think is

798
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:40.599
just remarkable.

799
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:43.519
Thank you, Yeah, thank you, appreciate you.

800
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Kudo's going to you for doing that, really and folks,

801
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:49.840
thanks for listening. I hope this has made a difference

802
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:53.360
for you and that something resonates with you. If so,

803
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:56.639
get to that website and you know, again, join the group,

804
00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:01.000
whatever it takes, and really understand that you can, in

805
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.320
fact change your life. You have the ability to do

806
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:08.320
it so anyway, this is doctor Doug saying have a

807
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:12.880
wonderful week and Nomas Day now mis

808
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Day, Doctor Doug