Stillness in the Storm: Finding Healing Through Yoga, Journaling, and Inner Calm

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0:44 Denzel Washington, welcome to Inspire Vision. Our sole purpose is to elevate the lives of others and to inspire you to do the same. Herea welcome back to the show. Thank you, Thanks for having me. Thank you. I'm really excited. How many times have we gotten together? This is number three? Number three? All right, because you've written a new. Book, yes, but yeah. So yeah, and so for the folks that have not heard first too, share a little bit about who you are, your background, the three books that you've written, and obviously the last.

1:24 Book that we're going to talk about, which is the third book. Yeah. So I am Andrea al Whalen w e h l An. You can find me on all socials and things like that on Facebook, Instagram. I am a yoga studio owner Ganga Moon Yoga, which in Ontario, Canada. The first book I wrote is No Matter How Dark, the same poems and inspiration for the Woman in Pain basically means the dark parts of your life and the light are both love. That's book number one. Book number two of Deeper Days three hundred and sixty five Yoga'spirations for intercom and it's chaofs.

2:06 This book is how. To stay connected from your head to your heart each day with a little spiritual practice. And then that led to my third book, which we'll talk about today, Stillness in the Storm, a conscious daily journal of yoga and spiritual healing. So yes, that's about it for me and hopefully there's something that you'll fall in love with about yoga. So what motivated this third book I found. At first, I didn't know that the first that all my books were related. So I had a hard time publishing them because I was like, they're not related, So like one's yoga, one's about stillness, one is poetry. And it took a long time for me to kind of get my head around, but are they related. I remember one of the publishers when a person that they worked with who was doing some editing, she said, but they're all, but you're the author, so that's what makes them related.

3:12 So I took some thought into that, and it was a little bit of process. I started. To realize that, like these three books, me listening to that inner voice that I had inside and just following that, there really is some magic. Because without doing the work of shining light on every every experience that I ever had in life, which is the first book, no matter how dark is staying. Without doing that work, I would not have had the peace and calm in my mind to be able to hold my concentration and my thoughts and to have a yoga practice, because they would have kept coming up.

3:52 What happens if you don't take care of your childhood or trauma and and kind of shine light on it to transform it into something you in your life or to lessons and wisdom, then they keep arising. And so the second book was really important because it made a lot of space in my mind for creativity, love, compassion, and for the new words, and even for me to be able to go into a deep dat of stillness for a year. So it's been so interesting, right. So first, it's like clearing that if you look at it like a garden. It's like first you you know, you plant the seeds and then you clear it all away, and this is what the second book was, right, and then it makes room to plant new seeds. And I think our mind is like a garden all the time.

4:40 Yes, yes, So so for. The audience, I want you to define yoga because it's a little bit different than just going to your studio and doing bodily movements and so forth. To find what you mean by yoga, and let's talk about the roots of the yoga that you follow. Mm hmmm. So how I define you yoga is you have four energies in the body spiritual, mental, emotional, physical when you yoga. The word yog means unite. So yoga to me now is bringing two of those together. For instance, if you close your eyes and bring attention to your breath, you have yoked two of the energies together.

5:25 That to me is yoga and. Is there a specific type of yoga philosophy that you follow? Yeah, So you know what's happened, Doug. After all these years, I have embodied all of my teachings. So first it was half a yoga yoga so I had half the yoga teachers for eight years, classical yoga teacher from India for eight and then Michael Stone, my Ushtenga Zen Buddhist teacher. So all these years I've been focusing on the Hatha yoga. But I find after COVID, when people are coming back to classes one, our tension span is so small. The consciousness has risen so much.

6:14 People are finding it very hard to sit for a ninety minute yoga class. It's generally impossible. So my classes are now sixty minutes. But there's still where I used to see the body be really still. Now I see like fingers moving still. But it's like people need more, is what it tells me from reading the bodies in the room, And so I started to bring into the classes. I will read a poem or I'll read a passage from Deeper Dace first because it helps us go inside the body a little bit more. And then I'll play the crystal singing bowls, so. A little bit of sound there, sound vibrations, which seems to help bring bring it down a little bit. More so as a yoga instructor, I'm taking in a few more things to relax the body, where previously seven years ago it wasn't like that I could just speak, teach the poses and people would be calm.

7:09 So when you talk about half a yoga that's from India, rights is that a Hinduo based type of yoga. So it's from potentially, and it's based on the eight limbs of yoga, which is what Deeper Days is about. I think you have the Deeper Day's book. Yeah. So here's how it was explained to me yoga. And I've always kept this kind of. You hear, so someone when in my teachings put it like this. So half a yoga is like an umbrella, and underneath the umbrella you have a shtenga yoga, our yoga and all these new things that are coming out hot Yoga, Bickrub, all the other yogas.

7:54 But it's all half a yoga. It's all from Potentially, it's all based on the eight little of yoga. And I think when it first came here to the West, and we all started to get a hold of it. It was a lot about the postures and yoga journal and bandy and twisty and I'm finding myself and I've been resonating with a couple other yoga teachers. We're starting to find. That because the anxiety is up, the attention has been a small lomer. The practice now is the best. Well. And you know, I smile because you talk about, you know, cultivating inner calmness and self discovering and so forth. And I smile because over the last couple of weeks, I have just become so frustrated with situations that have come up, obviously not speaking thie and trying to help the people understand something that I need, or watching their culture and you know, sometimes their work ethic and so forth.

8:54 And I have found all of a sudden. I'm just getting angry and getting frustrated. And I thought, oh boy, I can't wait to talk to you, because you can tell me how to redevelop that inner calm. So what I'd love for you to do is share with the audience how did you develop that intercommon As you said, it took years, but how how have you been able to develop that self discovery, that inner calmness that I think so many of us at one point in time or another experience just the opposite. And by the way, I started doing some meditating again and that selped.

9:35 But go ahead and share with the audience what was your experience, why did you need that, and what are some of the things that you've gone through and practiced in order to develop that sense of peace and inner calmness. You know, it's you have to go inward. You have to be able to see why you come up to those kind of tough emotions and those walls that you have to see it as a way in that that you've risen and it's a new time for you to go inside. And it's and it's hard, and there's resistance in the mind because it's like, oh gosh, not more inner work, Yes, more inner work. There's more inside, and that's where you find the chlorum and the piece.

10:26 So I really have to look at that. There's nothing on the outside, there's nowhere to get to and we're already here. And so when I had, you know, my best friend leave for like just out of my life, I had the man I was seeing that I was totally in love with it, had the deepest connection of my life with left at the same time. I think they were both gone within the same week. So you know, yes, I have yoga and meditation background, but I really had to ask myself what And I think I took it hard for about a week and then for me, you know, I am I have been on this mission of going into the self to share it with other people. So I was like, okay, I have two options. I can fight this or I can let go of the shore and see where the universe takes me. And so I just dove deep into that, into that stillness, just turning the phone off, not having any word with anybody, not sharing how I was dealing with anybody, and there's no one to fix me, no one to bounce off my thoughts, no one to hear me cry.

11:38 This is what happens when you go into stillness. Not having the comfort that somebody's going to come here and make it better. So I think that we have the practices that we do. So I know for you, you have deeper days, you had your practices, just like then life hits you and you're like, you have the choice, you can you can stay in the anger and the feelings that come up for the whichever the feeling is for the situation. I just said anger because you mentioned it. So you can stay in that which is eventually going to move anyway, or you have the chance to now pull in all of the new techniques you've had up to this day, whatever that may be in your life, and really hold me into those and see what happened. So for me, I knew I had a zend practice. I've always heard of stillness.

12:27 I had a meditation practice, and I was like, okay, listen, they're all gone. I'm not fighting anything. This happened. Happened for a reason right mentally had to tell myself. I was like, that's fine, I'm going to go into a year of stillness. And that's what I did. So I think for other people when you come up to those, try to see those anger heard, rejection, betraying, try and see those as a way in not to look at those like something happened to me, but did it happens for you? Well? Well, you know, I love the saying, you know, man is that he might have joy And I really believe that, and you know it, it's so interesting that how many people number one understand that that's a truism, and yet when they're not experiencing that in their life, when they're not experiencing that piece, that calmness and so forth, they don't realize that they actually have the control to either stay in it.

13:27 They can choose to do that or, as. You're talking about, start to work on some inner practices and so forth, and sometimes they need some help with that to the point where they can then start to sense that inner calmness again. Now you you divide things into three different areas, mind, body, and spirit. Okay, I'd like it to talk about each one of those briefly, and then we'll talk about each one of those a little bit more in depth. Okay. So the mind, if I can say one thing, it's as Okay, what I learned when I went I had my zen Buddhist teacher at the very end of my half a teacher classical yoga teacher at the end of NLP Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Zen meditation. That I met this teacher, okay, and what I learned was that Buddhism is really a science of how your mind works.

14:26 And I was like, because. Society would tell me, like, you know, my Catholic side is like, you can't go there, there's a Buddha like it's worshiping, it's gone. It is not like that. I didn't learn anything like that. What I learned was my mind is a trickster and it lies. And I've learned that, you know, if you really have to control your mind, you really have to control your mind. What I teach now in my class, when people are laying down and I'm teaching yoga, I will say to them, let if your mind is wandering off, that's its natural nature. That's what the mind does. So that's the mind. The body holds on to everything and it's always present. Your body is always there. It's the mind that we have to wrangle in. And the spirit, I think, is that that gentle inner intelligence that we all have regardless, because when you're quiet and when you're still and you you have your body and your mind and you're present, like say present moment, that's where you hear the spirit. And then Buddhist meditation, there's a meditation called the pashna and it literally means insight, and and there's an insight a spirit in all of us. So when we were babies. Now we grew into being now like our bodies. Look how

15:57 we are. Why start in your intelligence? A lemon seed turns into a lemon tree. What that's that's the that's you know, that's what it can't grow in. The lemon seed. Cannot grow into a mango tree. There's something inside of us. Yes, yes, So so you you mentioned something and it just kind of hit me. You know, you've been looking and studying the. Zen Buddhism, okay, and I and I appreciate that. And yet you have a Catholicism background, and you know, I think for a lot of people that they avoid certain things like Buddhism because they feel like it's conflicting with whatever faith experience, religion that they happen to be a part of, and mainly obviously Christianity in many cases.

16:52 So how how. Do you work through that and recognize that here's here's Buddhism which offers so much insight to the individual of how to gain the sense of peace and calmness, you know, remove that suffering and someone's faith in a religious sense. Yeah. I mean for me, I've always been a seeker and when things happen to me I want peace. I want to figure it out, and I want peace for myself. So I mean, at some point of your life, you have to break through the walls of whatever stories people will have put on you, and you need to make your own story.

17:39 You have to blaze your own trail. Is something that I used to repeat to myself a lot. I was Catholic. And then in university a horrible thing happened to me with gang rape and being left for dead. And I'll tell. You you, I crawled to the the church up the road and just left my whole soul on a pew like something, and I wrote prayers for two years. And then something else happened. I mean my car was stolen, I was sexually assaulted in a workplace, and I was so scared, and I was like, oh my God, like there's got to be something more. And it was there that I found the Book of Course in miracles. I had moved and im packed everything in my trunk when like prove as far as I could, and then grabbed a telephone book and started new life in a new place.

18:35 And I found metaphysics and I started to study metaphysics and got deep into that, and then a couple of years after which I loved it changed all of my thoughts from fear into thoughts of love with a daily practice. And then I joined the Theosophical Society, being this hunger and me this seeking the surgeon and I studied all of the religions and I never. Came to send Buddhism yet. I was like, okay, but I'm so glad I did, because it's kind of like the end of studying all of them. And there was this feature of this man that woke me up. Michael Stone. He has brilliant books.

19:17 He woke me up a sense of humor, and he was just like, control your mind. He said, the mind is like a puppy. You control a puppy when you bring a puppy home, you don't let it run all over the house. He said, why, why Andrea are you letting your mind run all over You have to tell your mind No. I was like, he's not wrong. Okay, there's this whole other thing here for the past. So this is kind of my favorite thing that I've taken on because so teaching yoga, in yoga with potentially we're talking about with the eight lips of yoga, it's called monkey brain, and so they work in the classes to roll the monkey minds, but there's not Yeah, and then in Buddhism it tells you you have to control your mind and like little things like this as an example, you'll probably understand. So why when we hear something negative do we spend so much time on it? The negativity tends to take up the whole day that's on the left side because we're thinking about it. It's logical, we're thinking about it and all, you know, and then that's where all the attention goes. Where if we sing a song or do art, it's the right side, you know, and then it's fun.

20:33 Okay. So so bring that to like, why do I keep thinking about this one thing when I have all this good stuff? Because that's how your mind works. That's why it's not you. It's just the function of your mind. So if you can know that your mind functions that way, it can cause less suffering. And here's the yoga about staying on the middle path, but using your mind to understand how your brain is working. I know that my brain will naturally keep thinking about this, but you have to take it as that's function. It's not who you are. You are more than your thoughts, and you are more than you think you are. And this is why the mind is so limited, and it can only repeat the things that have already happened. Your mind can't tell you about next week. It can't it's not happened. But it can tell you all the bad things you do in your life. Little you dog, but little bugger beans.

21:31 You know, it's so funny that we tend to avoid some of these things. And yet, you know, as you say, to be able to use a philosophy such as Buddhism and Zen Buddhism, I'm not sure I understand the difference between regular Buddhism and Zen Buddhism. Yeah, maybe you can explain that in a bit. But to be able to use that to really. Control the mind doesn't mean that we've lost the ability to even other directions. It just means that we have found a philosophy that we can personally take responsibility for to control our minds, to find that sense of inner peace, to find that self discovery, which I want to talk a little bit more about that, and literally to be able to start to enjoy life, find peace, find joy, all of those types of things so just out of curiosity real quick, what is the difference between Zen Buddhism and the other types of Buddhisms.

22:33 Yeah, I didn't know there was more than one. I was like, oh, it's just Buddhism. So in Niagara Falls is a temple of ten thousand Buddhas and I went in and I was like, oh, there's ten thousand Buddhas in here. We're like, yeah, very Chinese. And I was like, oh, I don't. I don't know what the difference is because everything was Chinese there. I didn't study it. All I know is that there's been and there is Zen. Like so Tibet kitch not han Sali Lama, and even that's put into two. There's a Mahayana and the I'm going to mess up that word, so I'll leave it. Uh, yes, I'll leave that word. But it's kind of split into the origin and then the Chinese have a whole different version.

23:24 So that's where you see the chubby Buddhas, the laughing Buddhas. Those are the Chinese ones and the Zen ones. You'll notice like the length of the ears, the longer the ear is, the more withdom that they hold. Yeah, so uh, for me. I like the mind. My degree psychology, so I just take it as is a science of the mind. So whether it's called Zen Buddhism or Chinese Buddhism, what I'm interested in is how is my mind working? How can I get my mind on my side? How many lies has a tool me? What are the patterns of my thinking? Because when you can control the patterns of your thinking, or or notice the patterns of your mind that you get from sitting still, you'll see this then, And my wish for us everybody is to use the mind to be on your side.

24:18 Well, and you know it's fascinating here. You've gone through years and years of self discovery, obviously your life experiences which have been horrendous if anyone were to even think about it, and yet you have used that as a motivator to start to develop that inner piece to as you say, you just have studied and studied and studied that curiosity to the point where you've been able to develop that for yourself personally. And now you're teaching others. But you know, most have not experienced that, Most do not know how to do that. And so if you were working with someone that came to you look, I'm not experienced peace, I'm not experiencing calmness, and quite frankly, I hate my life. How do you help them other than just yoga, which you know, for many people, such as myself, I can't get into those poses anymore. So how how would you help someone that is listening right now and thinking, you know what, that's me. I'm I'm not happy with my life. I'm not happy with what's going on. I want to change. I want to go through that self discovery. I want to find that sense of peace and calmness. How would you help them?

25:39 I'd say, I've been where you are. I see you, I know exactly where you are, and take their hand or give them a hug and say here, let me help walk you home to yourself. Yeah, there's some little bit of work that needs to be done first. You people just want to be seen, and you don't have to be seen by a million piece people. For me, it was just my zen Buddhist. Teacher, I see you, and he did, and and I'm awake because of him, because I fell asleep in my life and got lost in things and where shit happened. But he saw me and I learned with him. It only takes one person to see you. I think the main thing is you have to start where you are.

26:21 I see you. I you know. I've been exactly in that spot and all of my horrendous things. Is what gives me that when anybody walks through my door, Dug, I know exactly where they. Are, and there you are. I see you. I've been where you are here with me. And yoga is not about the poses. I don't know who's doing the poses anymore. Really, the yoga teachers I'm hanging around, we're all doing restorative yoga. We're all laying down on pillows because people need to heal. I haven't been to a yoga plus where we're standing up and twisting ourselves anymore. I think we're past it. I think it's important. You can't fight your mind. You do these things and then you can rest quickly. But this is about the nervous system, the attack on the nervous system.

27:11 But for that person, the. First thing I would do is write out with her, write out your pain for me, let me see it, put it on paper, because there is a power and a force when you write things down that is unbeatable, immediate, and you have power and control in that moment and in stillness in the storm. That's why this journal has some pages where you can just write, and there's pages just with a little prompt so you know I'm there with you. There's a prompt. But no one of the those things say that again. I can't hear you say that again. My eyes, I think, I mean glasses. No one on the outside ever. If those are more than things, I am born with all I need, and the whole page is blank for writing things in. That's the first thing I would do with someone that called me that needed help.

28:07 We would write that stuff down. It's so important, Doug. Do you know why, Because if it's not written down on paper, it ruminates in the mind. Remember, the function of the mind is just to go like this, around and around, and especially in full It's called the season of Vatsa here in Canada, where the wind picks up outside, so do the thoughts in our mind pick up. So there's a very specific practice for that. There's one on my YouTube channel you could check out after. But it's just how do we anchor that attention? And we do it by focusing on the breath and writing things down well and. You know, you're not the first that is emphasized journaling.

28:50 And I've always struggled with journaling. I just I don't know why. But because that's what it is. It's because it shows you who you are and can't escape it. Yeah, there's so much comfort, and maybe we're addicted to comfort or addicted to the pain, emotional addiction. Maybe I'm sorry to realize for myself, in some places we get addicted to those feelings that they're not you know, comfort zone. Well, and so so you have you have the journaling, which you really recommend, and I think that's, you know, fantastic idea. Like I say, I've heard that from many people saying how valuable that is.

29:31 And then you know, I shoitdn't smile. I'm thinking about going to your yoga across and lying down on a pillow in my head and thinking, okay, what are you doing there to create that sense of peace? And you talked a little. Bit about you know, the bulls and the sound that comes out of there, the vibration that comes out of there, and and I know for me, I listened a lot too, so Figio meditation and you know there's different levels depending on what you're trying to achieve, but share with the audience how important it is to go through that process of I would say meditation, but meditation with perhaps some external sounds or whatever that happens to be, and how does that help them to start to feel that sense of peace and calmness.

30:23 Sometimes it takes more than one thing to get inside the mind. We have meditation, but. It doesn't work for everybody, especially if you have trauma. People with a lot of trauma can't close their eyes. They find that really, really hard. And so we have stories that we can tell, we have poetry that we can say, we have the vibration of the singing gools. So that's what I'm offering is a combination now to really go deep because we don't have the fifty years to explore and climb mountaintops of that to find things, and we don't need to because our consciousness is left it. We need to heal this these old things, release these emotional burdens now because we can the singing bowls, the lip so I have crystal ones.

31:11 And again on my YouTube channel Andrea L. Whalen w E H L A N N Tricky. Stuff, there's a seven minute crystal singing bowls. You don't have to watch the video, but just play it with your eyes closed eyes. So the lip of every singing bowl is tuned so I have they're tuned to the seven chakras in the body, the seven energy centers in the body. And so when you play the singing bowls, they make a vibration. The vibration, much like the sun, doesn't stop at the outside of your skin. It's like they're not going in there. The vibration from the swinging bowl goes through your body. But much like I always put it, like when you did for you have the thing stipter right and you pull up and then you shake it around and then just the gold remains, So the vibrations go into the body. Gift a round like this and anything that's if here's the passageways in the body opens up new space in the body. And remember your body is always going back to homeo spaces the body wants to heal.

32:23 So coming to yoga and making time to go. To a workshop for crystal singing, for a sound bad or a class that has both combined, this is what you're doing. You're creating conditions for your body to heal and the vibrations go in and take out whatever's left. They don't need names. This is just nature. Don't know that. We used to heal people from soundbacks from sound. You and I both have a passion for those last night, but this is happening. It's the vibration, even us talking. This is a voice box here like the words, it's you feel. It is just vibrations. We are vibrations.

33:03 Well, an interesting story and we're getting a little echo here. But you know, and I share this, I hope my son will forgive me. But years ago, my son and his wife lost their first child prior to even being born. Okay, it was so traumatic for them, and in many cases it was really the fact that some people were not paying attention in the hospital and it it just devastated my son. And a number of years was just you could tell. It was just so bad. And one day a friend of mine who happened to use the crystal balls called me and said, Hey, I'm going to go up to this little city up here, about thirty minutes away, and there's a cave built in cave with water in it that people are going to get in and just relax and I'm going to use the singing bolts. And so I called my son and I said, hey, why don't you come with me? And he said okay. He was always open to new things.

34:05 So we went up there and you know, we were just lying in the water and she was doing the singing bowls and at the end, my son looked at me and goes, Dad, the pain's gone. The pain's gone. And you know, it was it was so amazing to hear him say that and to recognize that here's something that people don't even really understand, they make fun of, or they just poo poo it, and yet here was something that healed my son and those deep, deep felt emotions of pain and loss because of those singing. Bowls while we were laying in the water. And I think people don't really understand and recognize that, you know, there are there are modalities out there, and as you say, you've got the yoga, you've got the singing balls, you've got all these other things, there are modalities out there that if people will experience them and try them, and not everything works for everybody, but keep searching that out and for you, ultimately, it was that Zen Buddhism you know, and everybody's different, but for them to be able to seek that out with this distinct purpose of wanting to feel that healing, wanting to feel that calmness in their lives, it can make a difference.

35:19 Yeah. Absolutely, And I love your sons. That you said about your son that he had just that attitude of always wanting to try new things, because that is the impetus for getting out there and keep moving. And I had that too. I was always searching who is my next teacher, who can teach me something else? Well, in this sense of curiosity, I think becomes so vital that and I think people need to overcome that fear of the unknown and say to themselves, Okay, you know what, I'm not happy where i'm at. I want to figure this out. And obviously, you know, having people like you helping them it's fantast but to have that curiosity to start researching it and say, all right, what's going to work for me?

36:05 I'm going to try this. So it didn't work, well, I'm not going to stop. I'm going to try this and see how that works. And I think that as we go through that process, all of a sudden, as you said, we refine that down to a point where it's. Like, Okay, this is working for me, and if. We'll just keep doing it, and when they do, all of a sudden, they start to feel that sense of calmness, that sense of peace, that sense of joy in their lives. Yeah, the universe will meet you. Yeah, So it's really about yes, I'm in pain, so a little bit of that, but then being willing to try something new, and that curiosity is that's how we're born. We're born with curiosity. If you look at a child play, they're.

36:47 Curious about everything, right, and so you know what's As an adult and when things happen, we still have that. It's harder, but we have to keep going. And kind of that's where we came back to the very beginning is kind of take where you are and whatever it is. So if you're in pain or if you're angry, like that's the start. Trying to see that as a start, mash that with your curiosity and see where you can go. Yes, because that's the universe will come and meet you. You'll see the sound bath class, maybe you'll call me for help and see maybe it's a book, right, That's why the books are out there to help people well. And you shared so many incredible thoughts. But as time has gone by, now i'd love for you to kind of share a final thought with the audience that you'd like them to understand.

37:39 Yeah, so, I'll talk about stillness and I'll talk about silence. If you are feeling alone, or if you physically are alone, just try to embrace the stillness that there's no one to distract you. There's no one to fix you, but nobody's come anyway, and you can fix and you can heal yourself. There is strength to be able to carry your own spirit, and there's also a beauty in not being pulled in other directions. Turn toward the silence, turn toward the emptiness, and learn to hold yourself together without the comfort of external things. You can handle hard things, and there's greatness within you, and I believe in you.

38:30 Thank you, love it, Love Andrea, Thanks so much. It's always so wonderful to have you on the show. I love it. Our conversations are so fun. Well, I'm working on book four, so I'll let you know when that comes up. Okay, So again, how do people find you and how do they find your books? Yeah? So, You can find my books on Amazon dot com. You can find me on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Yeah, under Ganga, moun yoga, yoga in bean Seal, everything will come up with my name or I've been Andrea L. Whalen. Just even a Google search will take you to all of my accounts. Just the last name is tricky. Just spell it's w E H l A.

39:18 All right, Well, Andrea, thanks so much, and folks, I hope you've enjoyed this discussion because it's just really been fantastic as far as I'm concerned, I hope you'll join us again soon, have a wonderful week, and it's normal, nonisty